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Old 18-01-2010, 06:36 PM   #1
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I have thought about being homeless but never actually lived homeless. And i was just wondering if either you have lived homeless or have any ideas when faced with the prospect of being homeless - Like how you would get by?, How would you get your food or make money? And how would you do most other things which we take for granted in our domesticated lives?

If anyone can shared there experiences or reccomend any readings/viewings that would also be greatly appreciated. I made a thread before about this - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84468 - but i thought i would make another one and try to go into it some more.

One of the main issues in my mind would be food precurement.............. so ill deal with that first and just put down some ideas which i have thought, about the precurement of FOOD And/or money For food/clothing ---------------

FOOD

1 - You can get food by going in supermarket bins because when some item is out of date (still edible) or the packaging is damaged it gets thrown away and wasted when really there is not that much wrong with it.

2 - You could learn some wild plants and hunt and forage for some of your foods

3 - Go into supermarkets and pretend you are buying things but as you walk around the shop open some of the foods and tuck in, just dont get caught

4 - Get someway to earn some money to buy your food. It could be a service you offer or a job which you have acquired. Also walking around near shops/pubs/arcades ect you could even find money on the floor because really you could get by with about a £1 a day imo,even less. You could also find food on the floor too, bags of chips ect, yum yum lol.

5 - Along side roads ect you could find road kill.........

6 - Some homeless charities might give food hand outs and even if you knock on a church door and say your situation with them, they should offer you some food.

7 - Turning to cannibalism could be an option if things get really bad

SHELTER

1 - Ideally haveing a tent or something would be good but you could always find dis-used buildings/factorys even caves and natural shelters. You could also build your own primitive shelter.

2 - There will be homeless shelters too if you would want to go in one of them

3 - If you are cold fill your clothes with newspapers/cardboard or other materials to create insulation and dead-air-space. Leaves and certain plants would also work.

WATER

1 - Public toilets/allotment areas tend to have free flowing water supplies

2 - Rivers/lakes/streams tend to be full of water. So you could just boil it to make it safer to drink

3 - Rain water and other forms of water stills

CLOTHING/HYGIENE

1 - Second hand shops usually sell clothing cheaply or if you explained your situation they might even give you some.

2 - Public swimming baths have shower areas which you could use and also caravan parks sometimes have open shower block areas.

3 - Ponds/lakes ect just go for a swim

4 - dont bother, who cares

Right this is all i can think of so far so i will just leave it like that. If i think of any thing else i will try to add it. And it would be greatly appreciated to here your ideas and methods and any other input which you have. Thanks for reading.

All suggestions welcome.......
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Old 18-01-2010, 06:38 PM   #2
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Sorry to ask such a pointless question when you seem to have much of it thought out....but why would you want to live without a home?
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When I think of living homeless, it fills me with panic. I don't know why anyone would want to live on the streets through choice. It must be awful not to have anywhere safe to rest...your home should be your sanctury, no?

I was driving home the other night and saw this man walking along the street, he was obviously homeless, painfully thin and dressed almost in rags. He looked old, but I think he was probably younger than he looked. Anyway, the car was at the traffic lights, so got out the car and gave him 20 quid. He was so happy that it made me teary on the way home. He should be at home with someone who loves him, not wandering around the cold streets of east London.
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Old 18-01-2010, 06:43 PM   #4
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I see you live in NE England. There is no need to be homeless in this country. I lost everything after my divorce and ended up homeless. It was an awful experience, but thank God I never actually lived on the streets. The department of the homeless housed me until I was on my feet, then they made me pay every penny back. But you know what? That's more than any of my family or fair weather friends ever did for me, so it all worked out just right.

Now, I'm alright jack, and no, I don't help those cunts who watched me fall flat on my face. I'd rather spend the extra on Botox = me

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Old 18-01-2010, 06:57 PM   #5
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When I think of living homeless, it fills me with panic. I don't know why anyone would want to live on the streets through choice. It must be awful not to have anywhere safe to rest...your home should be your sanctury, no?
Good points.....

I would say that your body should be your sanctury while we are here in this world.

But in a more down to earth way, "your home" imo is an idea which is false. Its not really your home in away because it can be taken away from you at anytime. In my mind it sometimes can actually be like a prison, where you can just hide away seperated from your brothers/sisters. So i suppose being homeless could be a massive adventure too. The nomadic way.

Think about it - if you dont comply with the system, they can make you homeless, so its empowering to actually not be affraid of it, because then they have nothing over you.

Its the old carrot and the stick..... the more you have.......... the more you have to loose and the more you might cling to those things and do anything to keep them because you are affraid to loose your comforts and go out of your comfort zone.

Its all in the mind too, a homeless person could be happier and feel freer than most.

So, what i am actually saying is give all your possesions away and run to the hills naked.
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Old 18-01-2010, 06:58 PM   #6
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I've been Homeless (still somewhat technically Homeless by the definition that I do not own Property).. Lived/Live out of a Back-Pack.. Slept on Beaches.. etc..

There is a Homeless Assistance Hotline here in Florida (Phone 211) that can provide Resources to Homeless People.. Also, Police here supposedly carry a Homeless Survival Guide with listings of Local Shelters and Soup Kitchens that Feed regularly..

If you're Homeless, or going Homeless, are good to get.. Also, there are Food Banks that can provide Emergency Assistance -- like 2 Weeks worth of Food..

Also, a "trick" I've used is to call the Police and tell them that you're Suicidal -- They take you to a Hospital and you stay on the Psychiatric Unit.. Not necessarily the greatest place to be, but if you don't have any alternatives, it works.. Jail works too.. Been 3 times..

It ain't much fun..
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It ain't much fun..
In my mind its more of a life than the routine 9to5 job every day for the rest of your life though.

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I see you live in NE England. There is no need to be homeless in this country
i am not. I am just thinking if i was though, how to get by ect. But not only that, there might be homeless people who read this thread and take something from it and perhaps share there experience too.

Any number of events could cause you to be homeless and if you had some ideas of how you might cope, it would only help your situation.

Where as if you dont man, your in the shit and pulling your teath out not knowing what to do............

I wouldnt mind though, and have seriously considered backpacking and seeing how i would get by, trying to get my own food/water ect.

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I was driving home the other night and saw this man walking along the street, he was obviously homeless, painfully thin and dressed almost in rags. He looked old, but I think he was probably younger than he looked. Anyway, the car was at the traffic lights, so got out the car and gave him 20 quid. He was so happy that it made me teary on the way home.
Its a great thing you did there.

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Now, I'm alright jack, and no, I don't help those cunts who watched me fall flat on my face. I'd rather spend the extra on Botox = me
lol yea you sure know who your freinds are when something like that happens. You should of smashed there windows hahaha.
But its right who needs fair weather freinds, no-one.

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Old 18-01-2010, 07:27 PM   #8
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In my mind its more of a life than the routine 9to5 job every day for the rest of your life though.
Aye great life, shit accomodation, shit food and no money?

Why would you want to do that?

When you say homeless I equate that to being in a town or city struggling financially with no where to call home. I dont equate it with living in the wilds foraging for food getting back with nature which is more of a choice than being homeless, being homeless isnt some fun adventure, though my friend did say it can be character building, he has a point but he also said its kind of like being in prison, but I wouldnt want to be in prison or go homeless to build my character, its very cold atm lol
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Just get a pipe and rob off people.
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Old 18-01-2010, 07:38 PM   #10
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Forsaking his job as a London insurance clerk, Millican Dalton dropped out long before it became fashionable or even acceptable.

He lived under canvas, in a cave or in his woodland hut for the most part of his life. He styled himself ‘Professor of Adventure’ and offered ‘Camping Holidays, Mountain rapid shooting, Rafting and Hair's breadth escapes.’

Primarily remembered for his eccentric asceticism, Millican Dalton was a man who had the courage to follow his dreams and to live by his convictions. Dissatisfied with the life dealt him, he created his own.

He had a disdain for modern urban materialism, rejecting it in favour of a life of stoic simplicity. Millican Dalton lived a life at one with nature - growing his own food and sewing his own clothes. He was a teetotaler, a vegetarian, a socialist and a staunch pacifist.

Many people have considered walking out of the office and chucking it all in for a life of simplicity. Millican Dalton lived that dream.


“Don't waste words
Jump to conclusions”

“You can't feel lonely
with nature as your companion”

Millican Dalton neither wrote books nor painted pictures. His legacy can be difficult to asses and easy to dismiss. Having lived a life outwith contemporary norms, it is easy to mistake his eccentricity for affectation. Indeed he is often defined by his odd habits, his homemade clothes, his cave dwelling or his mountain guiding. All these things were true, but they were merely consequeces of his quest.

Millican Dalton was many things, but first and foremost he was a man in search of a simple life.

Millican Dalton lead a very conventional existence, when, at the age of 36, he broke with irksome conformity and shallow materialism in favour of a nobler existence. He cast off all that weighed him down and rejoiced in what remained.

Millican Dalton was unmoved by the whirlpool of ego, aspiration, envy and material acquisition that keep the rest of us in our place.

He was an ascetic for our modern age - a man who will be remembered by many and emulated by few.
http://www.brannan.co.uk/millican_dalton/index.html
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Old 18-01-2010, 07:54 PM   #11
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Just get a pipe and rob off people.
I suppose if you have nothing to loose robbing a bank is the way to go eh .

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Aye great life, shit accomodation, shit food and no money
But you could have some great sex with all the homeless ladies .

No you are right it wouldnt be great or easy by along shot. It would take some good preparation and thought.

But many things could make you homeless and you shouldnt be affraid of it. Its bricks and mortor(house) where we can safely be from all the terrorists. And its your patch as long as you dont let your grass grow longer than 10 inches.

My point though is = that we get our carrot(our home/money) and there is always the stick in the back of your mind saying if "if you dont do this that or the other, you will loose it" "we give you it, and we can take it away from you". So, if you fear looseing your house so much you will jump however high they say. Where as if you dont, you will in away be saying to them "take my house away from me, my money and see if i give a shit".

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Old 18-01-2010, 08:05 PM   #12
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I think most of the people who have tried to sleep on the streets would miss their bed. On rainy days, they would miss a roof. And on cold days they would probably miss having walls around them.
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Millican Dalton reading the Daily Herald
outside Dixons the Keswick newsagents
on the corner of Station street and St John Street

“there were many who smiled at the tall, lean figure,
dressed in an open-neck shirt, green or brown cord shorts,
climbing boots or sandals and an Alpine hat”

Millican Dalton . . .
• born April 20th 1867 in Nenthead in the Pennines.
• named Millican after his mother's maiden name.
• quaker.
• attended the Friends School in Wigton.
• father died when he was aged 7.
• family moved south and lived at Walnut Cottage, Stony Path, Essex.
• worked in London as an insurance clerk.
• keen cyclist and camper.
• left London aged 30.
• built a forest hut at Marlow Bottom, Buckinghamshire where he lived during the winter months.
• worked as secretary to the Holiday Fellowship in Newlands for a couple of years.
• camped at High Lodore.
• moved to a cave under Castle Crag in the 1920's.
• named his cave "The Cave Hotel".
• mountain guide.
• styled himself 'Professor of Adventure'.
• offered 'Mountain rapid Shooting, Rafting, Hair-breadth Escapes.'
• was always addressed as 'The Skipper '.
• made his own clothes.
• vegetarian.
• grew potatoes on the terrace outside his cave.
• baked his own bread.
• ate hazelnuts picked from the woods around his cave.
• collected ample firewood from the surrounding countryside.
• climbed trees in winter to keep fit for climbing.
• bachelor.
• a popular guide among the lady climbers.
• invented trousers that could convert into shorts.
• took the Daily Herald.
• pacifist.
• often wrote to Churchill demanding he stop the war.
• admired George Bernard Shaw.
• had strong views on almost everything.
• teetotaller.
• smoked Woodbine cigarettes.
• drank large ammounts of coffee.
• washed infrequently.
• was more likeable when he was standing down wind.
• built a raft named Rogue Herries.
• lit a fire on top of Napes Needle to mark his 50th accent and made a pot of coffee.
• during the cold winter of 1947 his hut burned down; undaunted he moved into a tent.
• contracted pneumonia.
• spent his last few days in a hospital ward.
• died on the 5th February 1947 in Amersham aged 79 years.

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Millican Dalton's Cave Today

I clearly remember my mother and father taking me up to Millican Dalton's cave. In the dim emptiness of the cavern staccato sounds broke the the still air. The dank notes of dripping water and the peels of slate shards scattered underfoot. They made a lonely accompaniment to the echoes of ceaseless chatter and flickering fireside laughter that still fill the cavern today, if you listen hard enough.

Millican Dalton made this place his summer home for nigh on fifty years and his spirit is easily invoked in the cool air of a quiet summer's evening.


The mouth of Millican Dalton's Cave from the terrace.

The lower and attic caves can be clearly seen. Abundant nettles attest to the human habitation.
Millican Dalton lived here during the summer for the last 50 years of his life. He is reported to have grown potatoes outside the cave, though the land in front of the cave is very shallow, so the beds must have been at a more distant location



The view from the lower cave on a showery spring evening.

Millican Dalton used this cave as his living quarters.


The interior of the lower cave.

You can clearly see the remains of the low walls which Millican Dalton built to divide the rooms.


The view from the mouth of the attic cave where Millican Dalton had his sleeping quarters.

Nora Dalton, the wife of Millican Dalton's nephew, was taken there by her husband in 1957. She said "He had already been dead quite a while then, but the place was much as it had been. It's changed now. I went back in 1999, the sleeping area in the attic had gone."


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Jump to
conclusions

Photographed on a wet day.



An itinerant camper emulates Millican Dalton by setting up a tent in the attic cave.

The attic cave is not as deep as the lower cave and offers less shelter from the weather.


A sign put up by the landowner, The National Trust, prohibiting fires or the collection of wood.

Would there still be room for Millican Dalton today? The answer is no.
The itinerant camper in the photo above was evicted by the National Trust for "fly camping".

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both those attributed to and those referring to Millican Dalton


Millican Dalton on the Derwent in Borrowdale
Photo: Maysons, Keswick

“Don't waste words jump to conclusions!”
Millican Dalton - Carved into the wall of his cave.

“ ‘The Skipper’ as he was always called, had the lightest of touch and taught many fine climbers.”
R.K.Vinycomb - Northumbrian Mountaineering Club Newsletter No.1

“Nothing but wood fires satisfied him, and as a 'Wallaceite' and vegetarian he always had brazil nuts on a climb. One well-intentioned lady gave him a Primus, but it kicked about the corner of the tent unhonoured and unused.”
R.K.Vinycomb - Northumbrian Mountaineering Club Newsletter No.1

“The best air-raid shelter in England”
Millican Dalton - on his cave.

“My only luxury is coffee for which I pay 2s 2d a pound. I sleep on a bed of bracken and need only my plaid and an eiderdown to keep me warm. I don't burn a light, though I lie in bed from beginning to end of blackout. Seven hours sleep is enough for any one.”
Millican Dalton - quoted in the Daily Mail, January 1941.

“You can't feel lonely with nature as your companion.”
Millican Dalton - quoted in the Daily Mail, January 1941.

“At the time, Uncle Millican's defection from conventional life, which today would pass almost unnoticed, caused quite a stir, both in the family and beyond.”
Nicholas Dalton - nephew to Millican Dalton.

“Millican Dalton, Professor of Adventure. Camping Holidays, Mountain rapid shooting, Rafting, Hair's breadth escapes.”
Millican Dalton - the wording on his business card.

“The hottest time I ever had on it.”
Millican Dalton - recalling his fiftieth ascent of Napes Needle when he built a fire at the top to brew coffee. As told to R.K.Vinycomb

“Once a week he went shopping in Keswick on his own battered bicycle, painted bright blue. He was lean and bearded. He habitually wore a broad-brimmed hat with a pheasant's feather for decoration, nailed boots, no socks and self-made jackets and breeches that were tattered, weathered and leathery.”
Alan Hankinson - writing in "A Century on the Crags" 1988

“He was a wonderful guide and cheerful enlivening company, but there was one problem. He smelt rather, so you always tried to get up-wind of him."
Unnamed female guiding client - as told to Alan Hankinson.

“Respected by all who knew him. A man of simple pleasures and tastes conducive to a mind at peace with the worl, who's knowledge of things in general was very sound. After a day on the hills with him or just pottering about one had a feeling of contented happiness and peace of mind."
Ralph Mayson - Keswick photographer and friend

“A true gentleman of the hills."
Ralph Mayson - Keswick photographer and friend

“He was an expert in the burning qualities of different kinds of wood."
George Bott - keswick writer

“Camping provides the completest possible change from ordinary town existence and being the healthiest kind of life as well as the jolliest and most unconventional is the best antidote to the rush and stress of city work."
Millican Dalton - 1913

“there were many who smiled at the tall, lean figure,
dressed in an open-neck shirt, green or brown cord shorts,
climbing boots or sandals and an Alpine hat"
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• invented trousers that could convert into shorts.
Oh, was that him?
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Just another thing which i have just remembered.

You find big gas bottles generally on the beach. So if you are camping (or living) and you have a tent with you. Simply fill the bottle with water and heat it up on your fire, then bring it into your tent and it should keep it warmer through the night. acting like a radiator.

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I think most of the people who have tried to sleep on the streets would miss their bed. On rainy days, they would miss a roof. And on cold days they would probably miss having walls around them.

Proper preparation prevents poor performance...........

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SQUATING!

I have been homeless on ocassion, and managed to land on my feet, living in a million pound 4 storey town house completely for FREE!

I wasnt the same man I am today, and didnt capitalise on the massive garden - we could have been self sufficient!

It all worked out well in the end - with the added points I got on the housing list, I got a great flat from the council.
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SQUATING!
I have been homeless on ocassion, and managed to land on my feet, living in a million pound 4 storey town house completely for FREE!
You know how to do it my freind - have you got any info about squaters rights or anything? also did you claim any benefits? because i am curious too how much you can claim, if you wish too ect........ Thanks for your comment...

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Hello,

I have thought about being homeless but never actually lived homeless. And i was just wondering if either you have lived homeless or have any ideas when faced with the prospect of being homeless - Like how you would get by?, How would you get your food or make money? And how would you do most other things which we take for granted in our domesticated lives?

If anyone can shared there experiences or reccomend any readings/viewings that would also be greatly appreciated. I made a thread before about this - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84468 - but i thought i would make another one and try to go into it some more.

One of the main issues in my mind would be food precurement.............. so ill deal with that first and just put down some ideas which i have thought, about the precurement of FOOD And/or money For food/clothing ---------------

FOOD

1 - You can get food by going in supermarket bins because when some item is out of date (still edible) or the packaging is damaged it gets thrown away and wasted when really there is not that much wrong with it.

2 - You could learn some wild plants and hunt and forage for some of your foods

3 - Go into supermarkets and pretend you are buying things but as you walk around the shop open some of the foods and tuck in, just dont get caught

4 - Get someway to earn some money to buy your food. It could be a service you offer or a job which you have acquired. Also walking around near shops/pubs/arcades ect you could even find money on the floor because really you could get by with about a £1 a day imo,even less. You could also find food on the floor too, bags of chips ect, yum yum lol.

5 - Along side roads ect you could find road kill.........

6 - Some homeless charities might give food hand outs and even if you knock on a church door and say your situation with them, they should offer you some food.

7 - Turning to cannibalism could be an option if things get really bad

SHELTER

1 - Ideally haveing a tent or something would be good but you could always find dis-used buildings/factorys even caves and natural shelters. You could also build your own primitive shelter.

2 - There will be homeless shelters too if you would want to go in one of them

3 - If you are cold fill your clothes with newspapers/cardboard or other materials to create insulation and dead-air-space. Leaves and certain plants would also work.

WATER

1 - Public toilets/allotment areas tend to have free flowing water supplies

2 - Rivers/lakes/streams tend to be full of water. So you could just boil it to make it safer to drink

3 - Rain water and other forms of water stills

CLOTHING/HYGIENE

1 - Second hand shops usually sell clothing cheaply or if you explained your situation they might even give you some.

2 - Public swimming baths have shower areas which you could use and also caravan parks sometimes have open shower block areas.

3 - Ponds/lakes ect just go for a swim

4 - dont bother, who cares

Right this is all i can think of so far so i will just leave it like that. If i think of any thing else i will try to add it. And it would be greatly appreciated to here your ideas and methods and any other input which you have. Thanks for reading.

All suggestions welcome.......
what an outstanding thread .

subbed for the 3rd thread of threads .

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Just another thing which i have just remembered.

You find big gas bottles generally on the beach. So if you are camping (or living) and you have a tent with you. Simply fill the bottle with water and heat it up on your fire, then bring it into your tent and it should keep it warmer through the night. acting like a radiator.
If you are going to put a gas bottle on a bonfire, you must make absolutely sure that there is no gas left in it, or else it can explode!
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Just another thing which i have just remembered.

You find big gas bottles generally on the beach. So if you are camping (or living) and you have a tent with you. Simply fill the bottle with water and heat it up on your fire, then bring it into your tent and it should keep it warmer through the night. acting like a radiator.




Proper preparation prevents poor performance...........
I read that bit about the camper who got evicted and got done for fly camping .

its just another way to stop folk creating homes for nothing is what meees thinks .


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