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Old 02-01-2010, 05:14 PM   #1
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Default Sensible rumination on multi culturalism?

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Happy New Decade Motherfuckers,

I hope we’re ready for what the next years will bring. Personally, I’m bristling with opinions and ideas for 2010CE, after a huge December Marlborough Downs Vision of Multiculturalism and where it’s heading. Brothers’n’sisters, it’s gone wrong wrong wrong simply because we’ve not been nearly rigorous in demanding to understand precisely what the fuck Multiculturalism is.

Multiculturalism cannot successfully be forced upon the indigenous population as though it were Communism or Socialism: it ain’t just another stupid Ideology to be wielded against those who refuse to concur. Instead, it’s an exceptionally beautiful concept that, unfortunately, runs contrary to the animalistic self-preservation instincts in all of humanity.

Cynics may wield this “unnaturalness” as evidence that Multiculturalism is not worth the effort, but I say that its “unnaturalness” is precisely what makes it worth the effort. Try harder, I say, through understanding and education NOT through all-out legislation and Alienation of the Population. For this “unnaturalness” is not part of the Human Condition: it IS the Human Condition. Merely by making a clearing in the woodland, Humanity began its ascent into “unnaturalness”.

In his book SARTOR RESARTUS, Thomas Carlyle pointed out that humans are generally so unconscious of this “unnaturalness” that, whilst recognizing themselves as tool & implement-makers, they have long ago forgotten that their first tools were the clothes on their backs – those clothes that kept them warm enough to go about their daily business in the first place. Shivering naked in a cave stalls being busy somewhat. “Unnaturalness”. What could reek more of “unnaturalness” than these past 2,000 years of Christianity, as hordes of brutal Saxons attempted to follow Christ’s instruction to ‘Turn the other cheek’. Did Christianity’s “unnaturalness” make the high morality expected by its practitioners not worth the effort? Of course not. In fact, the “Unnaturalness” in Humanity may be just about the only thing we possess that is natural to us alone. So let’s just go for it with Multiculturalism on a whole new level of understanding and education.

Militant Multiculturalism must be wholly inclusive, ragingly inclusive and dialogue obsessed. Nothing in this Western World should remain purely because of tradition: everything must justify itself and stand up to inspection. Fox hunting? We banned it. Smoky pubs as cancer traps? We banned it. Next up comes Honour Killing, but even more important is educating the institutionalized sexism out of newcomers to these islands. It took us long enough ourselves: it's a constant process for us even now. But if we must demand of ourselves, then so we must not blanch from making equal demands of those who have come here to benefit from the West’s Liberal Democracies. To those cultures whose men have no traditions of daily work, we must educate them and apprentice them.

We must also demand all-change from stupid fascistic Old Prick religions-in-the-dust such as Catholicism, whose so-called holy men still achieve their outward illusion of saintly celibacy through simple child rape. Furthermore, now that Islam is so clearly here to stay, we must demand visible change in some of its frankly medieval attitudes. Such suggestions as I’ve listed above would surely help to thwart the dummies of the BNP, whose simpleton lowbrow policies invoke a Golden Age that never existed. Ultimately, however, all of these aforementioned agencies are male-dominated, rearguard Patriarchal obscenities of the Biblical variety.

We must destroy the Homosocial Hordes with a Militant Multiculturalism that is strictly Inclusive. Homosocial? You know the types: they hate the company of women and gays but they only wanna hang out with other guys down the boozer, down the mosque, down the rifle range. Perhaps it's been the postwar British way to turn everything of political importance into an Ideology. Perhaps it’s time to stop.
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Old 15-01-2010, 06:21 PM   #2
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Way to make a serious point, addressing your audience as 'motherfuckers'.



That's a nice bit of ranting right wing nonsense but ultimately ignorant babble. It's so full of ignorance, there's no getting through to such people. Thanks for the ES/MM talking point support kh. Now I know why they are allowed to remain here. Sometimes I wonder if I should report this board to 'tptb.' The 'free speech' here sounds a lot like Stormfront.

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Old 15-01-2010, 06:40 PM   #3
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Way to make a serious point, addressing your audience as 'motherfuckers'.

That's a nice bit of ranting right wing nonsense but ultimately ignorant babble. It's so full of ignorance, there's no getting through to such people. Thanks for the ES/MM talking point support kh. Now I know why they are allowed to remain here. Sometimes I wonder if I should report this board to 'tptb.' The 'free speech' here sounds a lot like Stormfront.
For your first point, you obviously aren't aware of Julian Cope's ouvre then

Free speech = 'Stormfront' to you does it? One of the side effects of free speech I'm afraid. It's nasty at times. It's confrontational. It's hearing people say what you don't necessarily want to hear. It's giving people the right to say what they feel to be true, no matter how distasteful you find it personally.

If you are going to pick on a tiny minority of member's views and tar the whole forum with the same brush, aren't you guilty of the 'all x = y' mindset that you find so distasteful in others?

If you don't like what someone has to say, stop listening OR argue their points rationally and with evidence to back up your side of the discussion - as I have seen done on this forum. It works.

If you read that article and now 'know' that I agree with ES and MM (for example), then you would be wrong. If you notice, my thread has a question mark in the title.
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Old 15-01-2010, 06:42 PM   #4
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We must destroy the Homosocial Hordes with a Militant Multiculturalism
Really...

Natural multiculturalism is a great thing. Multiculturalism shoved down our throats and up our asses sucks. I'm not going to define what "natural multiculturalism" is.
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ES=Eccentric soup? MM=Magic Mother?
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Way to make a serious point, addressing your audience as 'motherfuckers'.



That's a nice bit of ranting right wing nonsense but ultimately ignorant babble. It's so full of ignorance, there's no getting through to such people. Thanks for the ES/MM talking point support kh. Now I know why they are allowed to remain here. Sometimes I wonder if I should report this board to 'tptb.' The 'free speech' here sounds a lot like Stormfront.

(Sometimes i wonder if i should report this board to the tptb)


Thats fucking hilarious.
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Old 15-01-2010, 06:54 PM   #7
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Nonsensical morelike.

This doesn't sound like multiculturism.

This sounds like monoculturism.

The author of the article (Julian Cope apparently) wants to bash any opposing views into submission.

"Militant Multiculturalism"

Now there is a scary concept.

If this takes off, then please expect lots and lots of persecution in the name of tolerance.
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Old 15-01-2010, 06:55 PM   #8
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Really...

Natural multiculturalism is a great thing. Multiculturalism shoved down our throats and up our asses sucks. I'm not going to define what "natural multiculturalism" is.
1) is there such a thing as 'natural' multiculturalism?

2) why not try and define it?

3) why, if multiculturalism is being forced upon us (as some believe), can we not attempt to enforce some rules on it as the 'hosts'?
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For your first point, you obviously aren't aware of Julian Cope's ouvre then

Free speech = 'Stormfront' to you does it? One of the side effects of free speech I'm afraid. It's nasty at times. It's confrontational. It's hearing people say what you don't necessarily want to hear. It's giving people the right to say what they feel to be true, no matter how distasteful you find it personally.

If you are going to pick on a tiny minority of member's views and tar the whole forum with the same brush, aren't you guilty of the 'all x = y' mindset that you find so distasteful in others?

If you don't like what someone has to say, stop listening OR argue their points rationally and with evidence to back up your side of the discussion - as I have seen done on this forum. It works.

If you read that article and now 'know' that I agree with ES and MM (for example), then you would be wrong. If you notice, my thread has a question mark in the title.

That article along doesn't indicate Stormfront, even if it's bullshit all by itself. But saying ES's posts are simply another opinion when it uses 'muliticulturalism' as a code for 'letting in too many darkies' well that's ignoring some serious Stormfront type material. Call it free speech if you like but that's the kind of thing you find on Stormfront. I have argued my posts and countered the so called facts but despite mine and others attempts, all of this is ignored, and the spamming continues elsewhere.
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1) is there such a thing as 'natural' multiculturalism?

2) why not try and define it?

3) why, if multiculturalism is being forced upon us (as some believe), can we not attempt to enforce some rules on it as the 'hosts'?
Who are the hosts? People want different things.


Like I've said before, one country for progressive types who are not threatened by foreigners, and one for the others. Knowing what ES and Molly are like it's easy to see which of the two will progress.
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1) is there such a thing as 'natural' multiculturalism?

2) why not try and define it?

3) why, if multiculturalism is being forced upon us (as some believe), can we not attempt to enforce some rules on it as the 'hosts'?
Natural multiculturalism is something like people being interested in other cultures and wanting to find out more. There has been exchange between different cultures for millennia, for trade, culture, science, religion. Some of it "natural" some of it not so.

Yes we can! (O-baa-maa) We don't have to accept their "values", one good way of doing so is to be aware that they are trying to feed us certain values, like tolerance. Tolerance means to accept something that is distasteful. For example I don't "tolerate" Japanese people and culture because I am "tolerant", but because I like it. If I was tolerant there would be the underlying assumption that there was something distasteful in Japan to begin with.

Stuff like this is artificial, simplified liberal globalist multiculturalism:

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That article along doesn't indicate Stormfront, even if it's bullshit all by itself. But saying ES's posts are simply another opinion when it uses 'muliticulturalism' as a code for 'letting in too many darkies' well that's ignoring some serious Stormfront type material. Call it free speech if you like but that's the kind of thing you find on Stormfront. I have argued my posts and countered the so called facts but despite mine and others attempts, all of this is ignored, and the spamming continues elsewhere.
And so you will lay down and let them steamroller over you?

Or will you be more like this fella?



And you may well find opinions like that on Stormfront. That's what it's there for. We are also here to allow people to express their opinions. And if you look closely, you'll find a lot more members here support opinions such as yours than who don't.

So you either learn to argue against people you disagree with or picture them as crazies in the park e.g.



and give them wide berth so they eventually end up shouting at each other with the rest of the world carrying on happily about their day.
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And so you will lay down and let them steamroller over you?

Or will you be more like this fella?



And you may well find opinions like that on Stormfront. That's what it's there for. We are also here to allow people to express their opinions. And if you look closely, you'll find a lot more members here support opinions such as yours than who don't.

So you either learn to argue against people you disagree with or picture them as crazies in the park e.g.



and give them wide berth so they eventually end up shouting at each other with the rest of the world carrying on happily about their day.
Well .... guess that explains a few things?
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I'm just saying it's tiresome when everyday there's a old turd lying on the doorstep each morning and you have to step over it every day. Maybe the dogs need a room of their own, like a seperate forum. They're after white separatism anyway so maybe they should get it online at the least.
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I'm just saying it's tiresome when everyday there's a old turd lying on the doorstep each morning and you have to step over it every day. Maybe the dogs need a room of their own, like a seperate forum. They're after white separatism anyway so maybe they should get it online at the least.
You know you could just look at other threads ....

You actively seek it out and crave attention so what is your issue?
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You know you could just look at other threads ....

You actively seek it out and crave attention so what is your issue?

If you're thinking I crave your attention you're out of your mind. Oh wait...
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If you're thinking I crave your attention you're out of your mind. Oh wait...
Hey I start threads on this subject and what happens over 4000 views in one day and 400 responses .. I can't do that by myself, that is others wanting to join the thread ... you usually as well.

Not my fault if you love me so much you want to chase me around.
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Hey I start threads on this subject and what happens over 4000 views in one day and 400 responses .. I can't do that by myself, that is others wanting to join the thread ... you usually as well.

Not my fault if you love me so much you want to chase me around.

One of these days I might catch up and you might end up on my plate.
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One of these days I might catch up and you might end up on my plate.

That would be funny if I actually thought you had a sense of humour!
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