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GENERAL PATTON'S WARNING
Note many believe he was assassinated for his views and exposure of certain truths.



At the end of World War II, one of America's top military leaders accurately assessed the shift in the balance of world
power which that war had produced and foresaw the enormous danger of communist aggression against the
West. Alone among U.S. leaders he warned that America should act immediately,
while her supremacy was
unchallengeable, to end that danger. Unfortunately, his warning went unheeded, and he was quickly silenced by a
convenient "accident" which took his life.

Thirty-two years ago, in the terrible summer of 1945, the U.S. Army had just completed the destruction of Europe and
had set up a government of military occupation amid the ruins to rule the starving Germans and deal out victors' justice
to the vanquished. General George S. Patton, commander of the U.S. Third Army, became military governor of the
greater portion of the American occupation zone of Germany.

It was only in the final days of the war and during his tenure as military governor of Germany -- after he had gotten to
know both the Germans and America's "gallant Soviet allies" -- that Patton's understanding of the true situation grew
and his opinions changed. In his diary and in many letters to his family, friends, various military colleagues, and
government officials, he expressed his new understanding and his apprehensions for the future. His diary and his letters
were published in 1974 by the Houghton Mifflin Company under the title The Patton Papers.

Several months before the end of the war, General Patton had recognized the fearful danger to the West
posed by the Soviet Union, and he had disagreed bitterly with the orders which he had been given to hold
back his army and wait for the Red Army to occupy vast stretches of German, Czech, Rumanian, Hungarian,
and Yugoslav territory, which the Americans could have easily taken instead.

On May 7, 1945, just before the German capitulation, Patton had a conference in Austria with U.S. Secretary of War
Robert Patterson. Patton was gravely concerned over the Soviet failure to respect the demarcation lines separating the
Soviet and American occupation zones. He was also alarmed by plans in Washington for the immediate partial
demobilization of the U.S. Army.

Patton said to Patterson: "Let's keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force
and strength to the Red Army. This is the only language they understand and respect."

Patterson replied, "Oh, George, you have been so close to this thing so long, you have lost sight of the big picture."

Patton rejoined:

  • "I understand the situation. Their (the Soviet) supply system is inadequate to maintain them in a
    serious action such as I could put to them. They have chickens in the coop and cattle on the hoof --
    that's their supply system. They could probably maintain themselves in the type of fighting I could give
    them for five days. After that it would make no difference how many million men they have, and if you
    wanted Moscow I could give it to you. They lived on the land coming down. There is insufficient left
    for them to maintain themselves going back. Let's not give them time to build up their supplies. If we
    do, then . . . we have had a victory over the Germans and disarmed them, but we have failed in the
    liberation of Europe; we have lost the war!"
Patton's urgent and prophetic advice went unheeded by Patterson and the other politicians and only served to give
warning about Patton's feelings to the alien conspirators behind the scenes in New York, Washington, and Moscow.

The more he saw of the Soviets, the stronger Patton's conviction grew that the proper course of action would be to stifle
communism then and there, while the chance existed. Later in May 1945 he attended several meetings and social affairs
with top Red Army officers, and he evaluated them carefully. He noted in his diary on May 14:

  • "I have never seen in any army at any time, including the German Imperial Army of 1912, as severe
    discipline as exists in the Russian army. The officers, with few exceptions, give the appearance of
    recently civilized Mongolian bandits."
And Patton's aide, General Hobart Gay, noted in his own journal for May 14: "Everything they (the Russians) did
impressed one with the idea of virility and cruelty."

Nevertheless, Patton knew that the Americans could whip the Reds then -- but perhaps not later. On May 18 he noted in
his diary:

  • "In my opinion, the American Army as it now exists could beat the Russians with the greatest of ease,
    because, while the Russians have good infantry, they are lacking in artillery, air, tanks, and in the
    knowledge of the use of the combined arms, whereas we excel in all three of these. If it should be
    necessary to fight the Russians, the sooner we do it the better."
Two days later he repeated his concern when he wrote his wife: "If we have to fight them, now is the time. From
now on we will get weaker and they stronger."

Having immediately recognized the Soviet danger and urged a course of action which would have freed all of eastern
Europe from the communist yoke with the expenditure of far less American blood than was spilled in Korea and Vietnam
and would have obviated both those later wars not to mention World War III -- Patton next came to appreciate the
true nature of the people for whom World War II was fought: the Jews.

Most of the Jews swarming over Germany immediately after the war came from Poland and Russia, and
Patton found their personal habits shockingly uncivilized.

He was disgusted by their behavior in the camps for Displaced Persons (DP's) which the Americans built for them and
even more disgusted by the way they behaved when they were housed in German hospitals and private homes. He
observed with horror that "these people do not understand toilets and refuse to use them except as
repositories for tin cans, garbage, and refuse . . . They decline, where practicable, to use latrines,
preferring to relieve themselves on the floor."

He described in his diary one DP camp,

  • "where, although room existed, the Jews were crowded together to an appalling extent, and in
    practically every room there was a pile of garbage in one corner which was also used as a latrine. The
    Jews were only forced to desist from their nastiness and clean up the mess by the threat of the butt
    ends of rifles. Of course, I know the expression 'lost tribes of Israel' applied to the tribes which
    disappeared -- not to the tribe of Judah from which the current sons of bitches are descended.
    However, it is my personal opinion that this too is a lost tribe -- lost to all decency."
Patton's initial impressions of the Jews were not improved when he attended a Jewish religious service at Eisenhower's
insistence. His diary entry for September 17, 1945, reads in part:

  • "This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur, so they were all collected in a large, wooden building,
    which they called a synagogue. It behooved General Eisenhower to make a speech to them. We
    entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking bunch of humanity I have ever
    seen. When we got about halfway up, the head rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn
    by Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very filthy, came down and met the
    General . . . The smell was so terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later lost my
    lunch as the result of remembering it."
These experiences and a great many others firmly convinced Patton that the Jews were an especially unsavory variety
of creature and hardly deserving of all the official concern the American government was bestowing on them.

Another September diary entry, following a demand from Washington that more German housing be turned over to
Jews, summed up his feelings:

  • "Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is
    still working. Harrison (a U.S. State Department official) and his associates indicate that they feel
    German civilians should be removed from houses for the purpose of housing Displaced Persons.
    There are two errors in this assumption. First, when we remove an individual German we punish an
    individual German, while the punishment is -- not intended for the individual but for the race.

    Furthermore, it is against my Anglo-Saxon conscience to remove a person from a house, which is a
    punishment, without due process of law. In the second place, Harrison and his ilk believe that the
    Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are
    lower than animals."
One of the strongest factors in straightening out General Patton's thinking on the conquered Germans was the behavior
of America's controlled news media toward them. At a press conference in Regensburg, Germany, on May 8, 1945,
immediately after Germany's surrender, Patton was asked whether he planned to treat captured SS troops differently
from other German POW's. His answer was:

  • "No. SS means no more in Germany than being a Democrat in America -- that is not to be quoted. I
    mean by that that initially the SS people were special sons of bitches, but as the war progressed they
    ran out of sons of bitches and then they put anybody in there. Some of the top SS men will be treated
    as criminals, but there is no reason for trying someone who was drafted into this outfit . . ."
Despite Patton's request that his remark not be quoted, the press eagerly seized on it, and Jews and their front men in
America screamed in outrage over Patton's comparison of the SS and the Democratic Party as well as over his
announced intention of treating most SS prisoners humanely.

With great reluctance, and only after repeated promptings from Eisenhower, he had thrown German families out of
their homes to make room for more than a million Jewish DP's -- part of the famous
"six million" who had
supposedly been gassed -- but he balked when ordered to begin blowing up German factories, in accord with the
infamous Morgenthau Plan to destroy Germany's economic basis forever. In his diary he wrote:

  • "I doubted the expediency of blowing up factories, because the ends for which the factories are
    being blown up -- that is, preventing Germany from preparing for war -- can be equally well attained
    through the destruction of their machinery, while the buildings can be used to house thousands of
    homeless persons."
Similarly, he expressed his doubts to his military colleagues about the overwhelming emphasis being placed on the
persecution of every German who had formerly been a member of the National Socialist party. In a letter to his wife of
September 14, 1945, he said:

  • "I am frankly opposed to this war criminal stuff. It is not cricket and is Semitic. I am also opposed to
    sending POW's to work as slaves in foreign lands (i.e., the Soviet Union's Gulags), where many will be
    starved to death."
Despite his disagreement with official policy, Patton followed the rules laid down by Morgenthau and others back in
Washington as closely as his conscience would allow, but he tried to moderate the effect, and this brought him into
increasing conflict with Eisenhower and the other politically ambitious generals. In another letter to his wife he
commented:

  • "I have been at Frankfurt for a civil government conference. If what we are doing (to the Germans) is
    'Liberty, then give me death.' I can't see how Americans can sink so low. It is Semitic, and I am sure of
    it."
And in his diary he noted:,

  • "Today we received orders . . . in which we were told to give the Jews special accommodations. If for
    Jews, why not Catholics, Mormons, etc? . . . We are also turning over to the French several hundred
    thousand prisoners of war to be used as slave labor in France. It is amusing to recall that we fought
    the Revolution in defense of the rights of man and the Civil War to abolish slavery and have now
    gone back on both principles."
His duties as military governor took Patton to all parts of Germany and intimately acquainted him with the German
people and their condition. He could not help but compare them with the French, the Italians, the Belgians, and even the
British. This comparison gradually forced him to the conclusion that World War II had been fought against the
wrong people.

After a visit to ruined Berlin, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945: "Berlin gave me the blues. We have destroyed what
could have been a good race, and we are about to replace them with Mongolian savages. And all Europe will be
communist. It's said that for the first week after they took it (Berlin), all women who ran were shot and those
who did not were raped. I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed."

This conviction, that the politicians had used him and the U.S. Army for a criminal purpose, grew in the following weeks.
During a dinner with French General Alphonse Juin in August, Patton was surprised to find the Frenchman in agreement
with him. His diary entry for August 18 quotes Gen. Juin: "It is indeed unfortunate, mon General, that the English
and the Americans have destroyed in Europe the only sound country -- and I do not mean France.
Therefore, the road is now open for the advent of Russian communism."

Later diary entries and letters to his wife reiterate this same conclusion. On August 31 he wrote: "Actually, the
Germans are the only decent people left in Europe. it's a choice between them and the Russians. I prefer
the Germans."
And on September 2: "What we are doing is to destroy the only semi-modern state in Europe,
so that Russia can swallow the whole."

By this time the Morgenthauists and media monopolists had decided that Patton was incorrigible and must be
discredited. So they began a non-stop hounding of him in the press, a la Watergate, accusing him of being "soft on
Nazis" and continually recalling an incident in which he had slapped a shirker two years previously, during the Sicily
campaign. A New York newspaper printed the completely false claim that when Patton had slapped the soldier who was
Jewish, he had called him a "yellow-bellied Jew."

Then, in a press conference on September 22, reporters hatched a scheme to needle Patton into losing his temper and
making statements which could be used against him. The scheme worked. The press interpreted one of Patton's
answers to their insistent questions as to why he was not pressing the Nazi-hunt hard enough as: "The Nazi thing is just
like a Democrat-Republican fight." The New York Times headlined this quote, and other papers all across America
picked it up.

The unmistakable hatred which had been directed at him during this press conference finally opened Patton's eyes fully
as to what was afoot. In his diary that night lie wrote:

http://www.666ismoney.com/Patton.html

  • "There is a very apparent Semitic influence in the press. They are trying to do two things: first,
    implement communism, and second, see that all businessmen of German ancestry and non-Jewish
    antecedents are thrown out of their jobs.

    "They have utterly lost the Anglo-Saxon conception of justice and feel that a man can be kicked out
    because somebody else says he is a Nazi. They were evidently quite shocked when I told them I would
    kick nobody out without the successful proof of guilt before a court of law . . .

    "Another point which the press harped on was the fact that we were doing too much for the Germans
    to the detriment of the DP's, most of whom are Jews. I could not give the answer to that one, because
    the answer is that, in my opinion and that of most nonpolitical officers, it is vitally necessary for us to
    build Germany up now as a buffer state against Russia. In fact, I am afraid we have waited too long."
And in a letter of the same date to his wife: "I will probably be in the headlines before you get this, as the press is
trying to quote me as being more interested in restoring order in Germany than in catching Nazis. I can't tell
them the truth that unless we restore Germany we will insure that communism takes America."

Eisenhower responded immediately to the press outcry against Patton and made the decision to relieve him of his duties
as military governor and "kick him upstairs" as the commander of the Fifteenth Army. In a letter to his wife on September
29, Patton indicated that he was, in a way, not unhappy with his new assignment, because "I would like it much
better than being a sort of executioner to the best race in Europe."

On October 22 he wrote a long letter to Maj. Gen. James G. Harbord, who was back in the States. In the letter Patton
bitterly condemned the Morgenthau policy; Eisenhower's pusillanimous behavior in the face of Jewish demands; the
strong pro-Soviet bias in the press; and the politicization, corruption, degradation, and demoralization of the U.S. Army
which these things were causing.

He saw the demoralization of the Army as a deliberate goal of America's enemies:

  • "I have been just as furious as you at the compilation of lies which the communist and Semitic
    elements of our government have leveled against me and practically every other commander. In my
    opinion it is a deliberate attempt to alienate the soldier vote from the commanders, because the
    communists know that soldiers are not communistic, and they fear what eleven million votes (of
    veterans) would do."
In his letter to Harbord, Patton also revealed his own plans to fight those who were destroying the morale and integrity of
the Army and endangering America's future by not opposing the growing Soviet might:

  • "It is my present thought . . . that when I finish this job, which will be around the first of the year, I shall
    resign, not retire, because if I retire I will still have a gag in my mouth . . . I should not start a limited
    counterattack, which would be contrary to my military theories, but should wait until I can start an all-
    out offensive . . . ."



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Patton seems like a downright nice guy. In a hand raised upwards and to the right sort of way.
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picking either side would prove to be a bad idea.

side with the Soviets and Communism takes over. Side with the Germans and the Fascists take over.


It was a no win decision.
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On seeing eternal spirits avatar I was fooled into thinking he's a somewhat spritual and remotely decent human being.

Instead I see you're using it a symbol of Aryanism? Go use a swastika instead you creep, stop hijacking Indian culture to suit your perverted beliefs. Hinduism has nothing to do with your shitty nazi culture.
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On seeing eternal spirits avatar I was fooled into thinking he's a somewhat spritual and remotely decent human being.

Instead I see you're using it a symbol of Aryanism? Go use a swastika instead you creep, stop hijacking Indian culture to suit your perverted beliefs. Hinduism has nothing to do with your shitty nazi culture.
Haha what a judgemental person you are. Why get personal instead of debating the topic? I am a white man. But have some Indians in my family who I love very much.
I have German genes too, although I am English I had family who fought for both sides during the war (German and English)


Some Indians are Aryan fact, there are many deities are of different colours in Hinduism. And the Swastika isn't used soley by them, it's to be found in many cultures.

But you'd rather jump to silly conculsions and come up with some warped philosophy about me (which are mean and wrong) based
on your own perverted judgements and possible prejudices.

You obviously believe all the lies you where taught about German and white people.

Now tell me about yourself? If you have the honest decency or guts to do so.

If you take my thread off topic like you trolled another one this week then I'll report you. Last chance troll.
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PS, maybe I should have just posted this - I use this avatar not for the reasons you accuse me of I happen to like this deity and her pic, she is related to Music I am a musician.

Dewi Saraswat Hindu Goddess of science and beauty
read this here
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88904

People often jump to wrong conclusions on this forum. Seems to be part and package of the experience.
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Haha what a judgemental person you are. Why get personal instead of debating the topic? I am a white man. But have some Indians in my family who I love very much.
I have German genes too, although I am English I had family who fought for both sides during the war (German and English)


Some Indians are Aryan fact, there are many deities are of different colours in Hinduism. And the Swastika isn't used soley by them, it's to be found in many cultures.

But you'd rather jump to silly conculsions and come up with some warped philosophy about me (which are mean and wrong) based
on your own perverted judgements and possible prejudices.

You obviously believe all the lies you where taught about German and white people.

Now tell me about yourself? If you have the honest decency or guts to do so.

If you take my thread off topic like you trolled another one this week then I'll report you. Last chance troll.
What do you want to know about me? I can tell you that I'm Indian. The Aryan thing has never been proven to be a race, and even if so, not a white European race. Some of those deities might be light skinned but they look eastern and you'll find dark skinned people with the same features. Meaning they're Indian. If you want to link yourself to greatness in the past (sad and pathetic imo) either look to Atlantis or settle for the Nordic/Lord of the rings myths.

I think it's quite on topic in this thread considering you seem to be endorsing Patton's aversion to Jews. Report my post if you like. In that other thread I only stated my opinion about the debate at hand. The trolling came from the thread starter.

I saw a few of your other posts before I made that comment. You fall into that camp of the poor white man coming under attack. Am I supposed to be swayed by the Indians in your family? That's the oldest excuse in the book. Another favourite is I appreciate ________ ethnic group. Lame.

So what I was told were "lies" huh? I know where this is going so unless you can think up something I haven't heard before but from your peeves about reverse racism in other threads I don't think you can.

You started a thread about the "evilness" of Jews, I accused you being a Nazi. Either be prepared to defend your stance or cry about it.
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I read all your posts here.

And talk about mis-representing.

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So you hate white people then?
And with a predictable comment like that you think you're not showing what you are?
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We've got a terrible situation with this great patriot, he's out of control and we must save him from himself'. The OSS head General did not trust Patton The newly unearthed diaries of a colourful assassin for the wartime Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the forerunner of the CIA, reveal that American spy chiefs wanted Patton dead because he was threatening to expose allied collusion with the Russians that cost American lives.
The death of General Patton in December 1945, is one of the enduring mysteries of the war era. Although he had suffered serious injuries in a car crash in Manheim, he was thought to be recovering and was on the verge of flying home.



But after a decade-long investigation, military historian Robert Wilcox claims that OSS head General "Wild Bill" Donovan ordered a highly decorated marksman called Douglas Bazata to silence Patton, who gloried in the nickname "Old Blood and Guts".
His book, "Target Patton", contains interviews with Mr Bazata, who died in 1999, and extracts from his diaries, detailing how he staged the car crash by getting a troop truck to plough into Patton's Cadillac and then shot the general with a low-velocity projectile, which broke his neck while his fellow passengers escaped without a scratch.
Mr Bazata also suggested that when Patton began to recover from his injuries, US officials turned a blind eye as agents of the NKVD, the forerunner of the KGB, poisoned the general.
Mr Wilcox told The Sunday Telegraph that when he spoke to Mr Bazata: "He was struggling with himself, all these killings he had done. He confessed to me that he had caused the accident, that he was ordered to do so by Wild Bill Donovan.
"Donovan told him: 'We've got a terrible situation with this great patriot, he's out of control and we must save him from himself and from ruining everything the allies have done.' I believe Douglas Bazata. He's a sterling guy."
Mr Bazata led an extraordinary life. He was a member of the Jedburghs, the elite unit who parachuted into France to help organise the Resistance in the run up to D-Day in 1944. He earned four purple hearts, a Distinguished Service Cross and the French Croix de Guerre three times over for his efforts.
After the war he became a celebrated artist who enjoyed the patronage of Princess Grace of Monaco and the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.
He was friends with Salvador Dali, who painted a portrait of Bazata as Don Quixote.
He ended his career as an aide to President Ronald Reagan's Navy Secretary John Lehman, a member of the 9/11 Commission and adviser to John McCain's presidential campaign.
Mr Wilcox also tracked down and interviewed Stephen Skubik, an officer in the Counter-Intelligence Corps of the US Army, who said he learnt that Patton was on Stalin's death list. Skubik repeatedly alerted Donovan, who simply had him sent back to the US.
"You have two strong witnesses here," Mr Wilcox said. "The evidence is that the Russians finished the job."
The scenario sounds far fetched but Mr Wilcox has assembled a compelling case that US officials had something to hide. At least five documents relating to the car accident have been removed from US archives.
The driver of the truck was whisked away to London before he could be questioned and no autopsy was performed on Patton's body.
With the help of a Cadillac expert from Detroit, Mr Wilcox has proved that the car on display in the Patton museum at Fort Knox is not the one Patton was driving.
"That is a cover-up," Mr Wilcox said.
George Patton, a dynamic controversialist who wore ivory-handled revolvers on each hip and was the subject of an Oscar winning film starring George C. Scott, commanded the US 3rd Army, which cut a swathe through France after D-Day.
But his ambition to get to Berlin before Soviet forces was thwarted by supreme allied commander Dwight D. Eisenhower, who gave Patton's petrol supplies to the more cautious British General Bernard Montgomery.
Patton, who distrusted the Russians, believed Eisenhower wrongly prevented him closing the so-called Falaise Gap in the autumn of 1944, allowing hundreds of thousands of German troops to escape to fight again,. This led to the deaths of thousands of Americans during their winter counter-offensive that became known as the Battle of the Bulge.
In order to placate Stalin, the 3rd Army was also ordered to a halt as it reached the German border and was prevented from seizing either Berlin or Prague, moves that could have prevented Soviet domination of Eastern Europe after the war.
Mr Wilcox told The Sunday Telegraph: "Patton was going to resign from the Army. He wanted to go to war with the Russians. The administration thought he was nuts.
"He also knew secrets of the war which would have ruined careers.
I don't think Dwight Eisenhower would ever have been elected president if Patton had lived to say the things he wanted to say." Mr Wilcox added: "I think there's enough evidence here that if I were to go to a grand jury I could probably get an indictment, but perhaps not a conviction."
Charles Province, President of the George S. Patton Historical Society, said he hopes the book will lead to definitive proof of the plot being uncovered. He said: "There were a lot of people who were pretty damn glad that Patton died. He was going to really open the door on a lot of things that they screwed up over there."



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Patton seems like a downright nice guy. In a hand raised upwards and to the right sort of way.
Sounds like you're suggesting the man who helped defeat the Nazis was a Nazi himself.

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Patton was also a warmonger.

One might infer from your post that it was Patton himself that wanted to conquer Europe, making him as bad as the Nazis and Soviets
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If you read the first post he claimed he wanted to liberate Europe from Both of them. But of course anyone at war is a monger.
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picking either side would prove to be a bad idea.

side with the Soviets and Communism takes over. Side with the Germans and the Fascists take over.


It was a no win decision.
Of course there was a winning decsion. Side with the Germans.
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If you read the first post he claimed he wanted to liberate Europe from Both of them. But of course anyone at war is a monger.
Wrong. Many who find themselves at war did not choose to be there.
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If you read the first post he claimed he wanted to liberate Europe from Both of them.


just like Bush Sr/Clinton/Bush Jr/Obama want to liberate Iraq


Liberation is an interesting term that usually ends up in occupation by a foreign army.
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Old 21-12-2009, 02:30 PM   #16
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Of course there was a winning decsion. Side with the Germans.
Let's have a look at Communism/Bolsheviks before the war and during the war.

The chapter on the Ukrainian liquidation of believers makes for very difficult reading. Imagine this: the Ukrainian Catholic Church had 2,772 parishes, 8 bishops, 4,119 churches and chapels, 142 monasteries and convents, 2,628 priests, 164 monks, 773 nuns, and 4 million laypeople. By the end of the largest suppression of believers in world history, the entire apparatus was reduced to: zero.

I posted the rest of this article on an other thread here.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...10&postcount=4

Jewish Butcher of the Ukraine - Stalin's Brother-In-Law

Lazar Kaganovich: Stalin's Mass Murderer
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Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich (Kogan), of Jewish descent, was born in Kubany, near Kiev, Ukraine, in 1893. In 1911 he joined the Jewish-founded Communist Party and became involved with the Bolsheviks (Lower East Side New York Jews). Kaganovich took an active part in the 1917 takeover of Christian Russia by Communism and rose rapidly in the Party hierarchy.

Josef Stalin (Dzhugashvili) altered census figures to hide the millions of famine deaths when the Ukraine and northern Caucasus region had an extremely poor harvest in 1932, just as Stalin was demanding heavy requisitions of grain to sell abroad to finance his industrialization program which was on top of enforced collective farming of 1929. Stalin is conservatively estimated to have been responsible for the murder and/or starvation of 40,000,000 Russians and Ukrainians during his reign of terror, while the total deaths resulting from the de-kulaklization and famine, by way of Kaganovich, can be conservatively estimated at about 14,500,000.

On any analysis, Kaganovich, was one of the worst mass murderers in history, and little wonder that during World War II large numbers of Ukrainians greeted the Germans as liberators, with many joining the Waffen-SS to keep Communism from enslaving all of Europe.



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Moshe Pijade (sometimes spelled Piade): commander, Yugoslav Communist People's Army. Tito's top butcher of hundreds of thousands of Croatian Christians. Pijade later served as president of the Yugoslav Communist Parliament. At least eighteen generals in the Yugoslav Communist People's Army were Jewish. The Yugoslavian communist party sent massive arms shipments to Jewish fighters in Palestine in the 1940s.
In post-war Poland that nation was completely dominated by Jewish communists: the torturer Jacek Rozanski, head of the Secret Police; the Politboro commander Jacob Berman (pictured at right) and commissars Minc, Specht (Olszewski) and Spychalski.These men murdered or deported to Kolyma and the other Arctic death camps, tens of thousands of Catholic Poles.
According to Jewish researcher John Sack, "In 1945 many Poles felt (and not without reason) that Jews ran the Office of State Security...the chief of the Office was Jacob Berman, a Jew, and all or almost all the department heads were Jews." Sack reports that 75% of the officers of the Communist Secret Police in Silesia were Jews.

Of course when one encounters the issue of Jews, Communists and Catholics in Poland in the Establishment media or universities today, the mass murder of the Polish Catholics at the hands of the Jewish Communists, is never raised. Instead, a minor attack on Jews by Polish peasants enraged at the role of Jews in Communist terror, which occurred in July, 1946 at Kielce and which has come to be called the "Kielce pogrom" will be the centerpiece of the "discussion. " The motivation for the attack is not usually mentioned. Rather, the Catholic peasantry are painted in terms of "fiendish bigots" whose "blind, irrational hate" for the "poor, persecuted Jews" resulted in "yet another martyrdom of God's Chosen."

With this record it is interesting to note that the Polish occupant of the papacy, John Paul II, consistently lent his prestige and his presence to canonizations and commemorations of politically correct victims of the Nazis. Nowhere did this Pope breath a word about the openly Jewish, Communist massacres of Polish Catholics, Spanish Catholics, Croatian Catholics, Lithuanian Catholics-Michael A. Hoffman II


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Old 21-12-2009, 02:33 PM   #17
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The Holocuast museum in Jerusalem briefly exibited pictures painted by the inhabitants of Auchwitz, you know we are told the Jews where told they where going to have a "shower" so had to take thier clothes off, well, according to pictures painted by the people who where there!! this is what really happened!









How about some actual holocaust pictures rather than the undeinable pictures of the many skeletons covered in skin we see thrown into pits that look more like victims of starvation than gassing










These arnt Jews killed by the evil Germans though, these are Germans killed by the Polish Jews.
My Prussian family where there, we had to flee the ethnic cleansing of Germans after the first world war.

Now theres a chance for you to do some holocaust deniel that isnt illegal.
Poland threatens war Emboldened by Roosevelt and Churchill guarantees, Rydz Smigly and Ignacy Moscicki, the head of Poland's army and it's president were saber rattling .
Smigly said -- "Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." He threatened to overrun Germany in three days.


The Polish Bolsheviks kill 58,000 German Nationals in the Danzig corridor In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in the Danzig corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic Germans (Volksdeutsche) by both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who were confident that Poland would quickly defeat Germany. Many apparently expected to take possession of German farms and businesses. An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the massacres carried out prior to the 1939 invasion.
Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to the close of WW I -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the German invasion of Poland.
Germany had protesting in writing to the League of Nations literally dozens of times with no results. Hitler's speech. Bromberg Bloody Sunday
On one day alone - Polish Jews, under the protection of the Polish Army, attack a small German town and viciously kill 5500 Germans

The "Bromberg Bloody Sunday" is perhaps best known. Polish Jews were confident they would win against Germany and went on a rampage of ' Blood Lust ' that was unmatched. Groups of Bolsheviks attacked from Ponz, Lotz and Warsaw approached the town and started killing the farmers on the outskirts. Children were nailed to barns, women were raped and hacked to death with axes, men were executed where they stood.

Bolshevik leaders of the Ponz, Warsaw and Lodz Jewish groups
On Bromberg Bloody Sunday, thousands of ethnic Germans were slaughtered like pigs in an alley because the majority "poles" (the "slavic", non-Teutonic types, really Turco-Ugaric, Hunnic, Tartar and Mongoloid residue from the old "Dark Age" invasions) knew they could do so with total impunity.






Who started the war?
If all this is true then it wasn't Germany
The 5 ' 6 " Jewish Stalin and Bolsheviks now have their war and British, French, American, Canadian, etc blood will be spilt all over Europe to decimate Germany and open the world to the Jewish swindle called communism.
http://judicial-inc.biz/Broomberg.htm

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Patton seems like a downright nice guy. In a hand raised upwards and to the right sort of way.
Maybe, he was the only General the Germans and Nazi's truly feared. He understood the ways of winning battles and large formation manouvers. Monty and Omar were alright, but lacked Pattons killer instinct.

I think he was bang on with his judgement on the Soviets and letting them storm Berlin was absolute genocide.
In fact it gave them a trump card to say 'We won the war ultimately, not you!'. Stalin knew that having taken Berlin he'd be in control of Eastern Germany and threw up the iron curtain shortly afterwards.
The German people were practically begging for liberation from the Russians but Roosevelt wouldn't stand up to Stalin!

Anyone who thinks the Russians were some saviour army and any better than the German forces needs their head examining. They were a rabble of vodka-fueled, drunken animals whipped into fighting by commissars. Remember who sided with the Germans in 1939 in order to take Poland...

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Maybe, he was the only General the Germans and Nazi's truly feared. He understood the ways of winning battles and large formation manouvers. Monty and Omar were alright, but lacked Pattons killer instinct.
He could have won the war a lot earlier if his superiors had of let him, saving lives all round on all sides.

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I think he was bang on with his judgement on the Soviets and letting them storm Berlin was absolute genocide.
He may have been a man of war but wanted to treat the German civilans with human dignity after the war unlike many of the other psychopaths (such as Eisenhower who was nicknamed the terrible Swedish Jew) who's inadequate skills as a general added to the loss of Gentiles American lives (which was one of the main goals of the war) kill as many gentiles as possible on ALL sides. Nothing changes same old plan Today, be it wars or mass immigration equals the same results.
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In fact it gave them a trump card to say 'We won the war ultimately, not you!'
The German people were practically begging for liberation from the Russians but Roosevelt wouldn't stand up to Stalin!
Most of the Communist leaders where Jews/Zionists all verifiable facts and documented. If Patton had his way their would have been no Berlin wall. No Communist China, Russia, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Cold war arms race etc.
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E-S is posting true history. I have also posted similar

Dig out the works of Douglas Reed and Juri Lina if you can. Otherwise you are in the dark really

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