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Old 22-11-2009, 03:03 PM   #1
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Hello friends,

I refer to this hand sign

(The middle and ring fingers together)


(The creation of Adam - Michelangelo)


Some people claim it's a masonic hand sign, forming a "M" of mason with their hands.

Apparently that's not true, we see a lot of people giving this hand sign MUCH before the first masonic lodge (1777). Also I found a lot of pictures of famous freemasons not giving this hand sign and a lot of non-freemasons giving the hand sign.

After all, this hand sign actually mean something? Any good proof?

More examples:

(Ignatius_of_Loyola)


(Christoper_Columbus)


(Martin Luther)


(King James I)


(Isaac Newton)


(George Washington - OK, a freemason)


(Adolf Hitler)


(Pope Benedict XVI)

A whole book about this hand sign: http://www.scribd.com/doc/3289775/Fa...masons-Exposed

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Old 22-11-2009, 09:16 PM   #2
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That's interesting because it's not a very natural position to hold ones hand in and the volume of pictures and paintings containing it seems disproportionately large to the number of people likely to hold their hands like that.
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Old 22-11-2009, 09:43 PM   #3
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Oh yes thats something I haven't noticed before! I shall look out for more of this as it does seem a bit strange that so many are doing it
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Old 22-11-2009, 09:54 PM   #4
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I thought the pope was sticking up 2 fingers at first
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Old 22-11-2009, 10:05 PM   #5
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I thought the pope was sticking up 2 fingers at first
lol +1
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Old 22-11-2009, 10:08 PM   #6
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It's the polite way of doing this:




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Old 22-11-2009, 10:51 PM   #7
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It's a QiGong fireball mudra. Can't find any reference to it though.
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Old 23-11-2009, 12:01 AM   #8
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Yes, often in oil paintings and portraits hands are shown because of ones ploitical, religious, and social status. Political elite often show their hands because it is a reflection of their status in society. Like the portrait of Hitler; his hands are at his side in a stern position (now think of Hitler's persona....does it become clearer as to why he would be represented this way). Or Luther who has his hand on his chest (or heart) to symbollicaly portray a humble character (i.e. Don't fear me I respect Christians but not the Church... I mean no harm I am hear to help).

Art history shows us that this was a common description in paintings for reasons I just mentioned. This description was very common during both the 18th and 19th century in both Europe and North America among wealthy men and women. They often decorated their homes with self-portraits of themselves to display ther wealth and status. Like today people buy Mercedes' and BMW's to flash their cash.

For example....in all those portraits you see simple hand gestures...some humble...some stern and other relaxed. Their hands are clean and well kept. This is a symbol. A symbol unlike in this painting portrayed by Caravaggio of Bacchus.



Here is a detail of Bacchus' left hand holding the glass of wine.



If you look carefully you can see dirt under the fingernails. Would a wealthy aristocrat or monarch let a painter portray him in this manner? The answer is NO. It would be an insult to his power and wealth. When you read into the Bacchus myths and the story you will understand why Caravaggio betrayed this god in that way. Especially with the wine glass in the hand; for temptation or (here's to you). If you look at Bacchus' other hand you will notice Caravaggio painted it with more color. Meaning that the hand is tanned or dirty. This is another symbol that this figure (Bacchus) is not wealthy or prominent. It is seen as disgraceful. To the likes of a peasant.

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Old 23-11-2009, 12:02 AM   #9
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Old 23-11-2009, 12:28 AM   #10
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LOL Love it!
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Old 23-11-2009, 11:34 AM   #11
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I think it's clear what this hand sign means.



Westside ni**as!

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Old 23-11-2009, 07:50 PM   #12
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I think it's clear what this hand sign means.



Westside ni**as!

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Old 23-11-2009, 09:22 PM   #13
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Hollywood actresses are photographed making this particular subtle sign, you know, Julia Roberts, Meryl Streep etc Definitely Masonic.
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Old 24-11-2009, 01:51 AM   #14
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I saw this loads of times. Before it was even cool to talk about it. I never mentioned it because I thought it would be too obvious.
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Old 24-11-2009, 05:36 AM   #15
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It's probably just a variation of the Illuminati hand sign. After all most of the people shown in those pictures were or are from the Illuminati, so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Old 28-11-2009, 10:55 PM   #16
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2Pac doing the sign as well. Confusing

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Old 30-11-2009, 11:22 PM   #17
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I'm not suggesting Jesus was a Westside nigga or a mason, but El Greco evidently was, who painted Him making this sign!

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/ElGr...liation488.jpg
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Old 21-12-2009, 12:04 AM   #18
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So I guess it doesn't mean anything, since nobody could say it with certain.
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Old 21-12-2009, 12:15 AM   #19
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it's funny you should mention that, as I was looking for images of Roger Bacon just before reading this thread (for an unrelated reason) and I noticed that several of them all show the hand in the same position:





my guess, it does mean something, probably related to mystery schools/secret societies. good find anyway
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Old 21-12-2009, 01:41 AM   #20
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the bad guys from the megaman videogame series make this hand sign:





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