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Old 11-11-2009, 01:46 AM   #1
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Mozart was admitted as an apprentice to the Viennese Masonic lodge called "Zur Wohlt├Ątigkeit" ("Beneficence") on 14 December 1784. He was promoted to journeyman Mason on 7 January 1785, and became a master Mason "shortly thereafter". Mozart also attended the meetings of another lodge, called "Zur wahren Eintracht" ("True Concord"). According to Otto Erich Deutsch, this lodge was "the largest and most aristocratic in Vienna. ... Mozart, as the best of the musical 'Brothers,' was welcome in all the lodges." It was headed by the naturalist Ignaz von Born.

Masonic ideology and Masonic music
Stage design for Mozart's opera The Magic Flute by German architect Karl Friedrich Schinkel, c. 1815, with Masonic symbols.

Mozart's position within the Masonic movement, according to Maynard Solomon, lay with the rationalist, Enlightenment-inspired membership, as opposed to those members oriented toward mysticism and the occult. This rationalist faction is identified by Katherine Thomson as the Illuminati, a masonically inspired group which was founded by Bavarian professor of canon law Adam Weishaupt, who was also a friend of Mozart's. The Illuminati espoused the Enlightenment-inspired, humanist views proposed by the French philosophers Jean-Jacques Rousseau and Denis Diderot. For example, the Illuminati contended that social rank was not coincident with nobility of the spirit, but that people of lowly class could be noble in spirit just as nobly born could be mean-spirited. This view appears in Mozart's operas; for example, in The Marriage of Figaro, an opera based on a play by Pierre Beaumarchais (another Freemason), the lowly-born Figaro is the hero and the Count Almaviva is the boor.

The Freemasons used music in their ceremonies, and adopted Rousseau's humanist views on the meaning of music. "The purpose of music in the {Masonic** ceremonies is to spread good thoughts and unity among the members" so that they may "united in the idea of innocence and joy," wrote L.F. Lenz in a contemporary edition of Masonic songs. Music should "inculcate feelings of humanity, wisdom and patience, virtue and honesty, loyalty to friends, and finally an understanding of freedom."


The Magic Flute is noted for its prominent Masonic elements; Schikaneder and Mozart were Masons and lodge brothers (see: Mozart and Freemasonry). The opera is also influenced by Enlightenment philosophy, and can be regarded as an allegory advocating enlightened absolutism. The Queen of the Night represents a dangerous form of obscurantism, whereas her antagonist Sarastro symbolises the reasonable sovereign who rules with paternalistic wisdom and enlightened insight.

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Freemasonry and The Magic Flute

In understanding Flute it's important to understand something about Freemasonry. Mozart became a Mason in 1784 - Schikaneder and Giesecke were also Freemasons. The Masons of Vienna saw themselves as a philosophical group persecuted by the Hapsburgs and the Catholic Church. Indeed, the Pope had issued two edicts decrying Freemasonry.

Certain elements of The Magic Flute find Egyptian heritage. The gods Isis and Osiris are invoked. Egyptian images and architecture appear. This is a magic land to which Masonry traced some of its origins. Likewise, ancient Persia was viewed as a source of Freemasonry. The character Sarastro's name is certainly derived from the ancient Persian prophet Zoroaster.

Entire books have been written about the Masonic symbolism contained in The Magic Flute. Here are but a handful of examples. The number three held significance in Masonry. Thus, we find three strongly emphasized chords in the overture, three Ladies in the service of the Queen of the Night, three Boys who lead Tamino and Papageno on their quest, in the original cast three slaves and three priests, three temples, three knocks on the doors of the temple, and three flats in the key signature of E flat, the home key of the opera. Other numbers are aslo significant in Masonry. For instance, the 77 strokes of the bastinado which Monostatos is to receive at the end of the First Act hearken to the idea that in Masonry the number 7 represents wisdom. The serpent which chases Tamino, the padlock used to punish Papageno for telling a lie, the portrait of Pamina, the flute and bells, the gender of some of the characters, the references to air, earth, fire, and water, the allusions to darkness and the sun, the colours of certain costumes - all these things can be tied to Masonic iconography.

But the opera was not written for a closed circle of the initiated. It was written for a suburban theatre, a popular, not a highbrow theatre. One of the amazing things about Flute is that it works on so many different levels, and may either be enjoyed simply for its music and charm, or may be debated and discussed at length as a meaningful treatise on human existence. Or both.

http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk/magflute/flutetxt.html


Whats with all these subliminal s,they are everywhere.


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Old 11-11-2009, 03:59 AM   #2
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This is a two record set I have, note the flames on the candles 666.

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This is a topic that has always fascinated me. I'm going to return to it at some point. Cheers.
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Wasn't there a significance in the number 3 in Mozart's music?

Loved Don Giovanni

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He was reportedly a member of the Bavarian Illuminati also
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Music IS mathematics. Ask any composer.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:32 AM   #7
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I recently watched a modern take on Don giovanni (on Sky Arts) I thought it was quite good - trying to wean my fiance into Opera, but she prefers the Black Eyed Peas!

ahh well.

GS I know that you have a well rounded education in the liberal arts (as you are an artist yourself) Could you elaborate?

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Yes. If you ask any composer, he or she will tell you that writing music is a mathematical exercise. Harmony (ratios) especially. When you see composers editing heavy musical scores they are counting numbers. It is impossible to imagine an entire orchestra, on paper as it were.

I know that Wikipedia is not the best source, but this explains:
As it happens I am not a musician, but I went to an organ recital of Mozart some years ago. The Municipal Organist in Leeds was a Freemason. He explained that Mozart wrote his Masonic scores in a certain key which has Masonic significance.



Mozart's initiation - Vienna 1784. Notice in the painting the veils drawn aside, in this case by the Tyler on the right pulling on a rope, so that the profane world may view the secret world of Freemasonry. This is typical of Masonic paintings.
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Old 11-11-2009, 12:44 PM   #9
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Thanks Peter,

I have read Duncan Moore's A guide to Masonic Symbolism and noted that it mentioned Mozart.

Anyone here have a favorite Mozart Opera?
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Great video and sound quality!


Elisabeth Schwartzkopf. Not the best sound recording but a great performance IMHO.


And this Schwartzkopf performance of Strauss comes a close second IMHO.


I saw Kiri Takanawa in Der Rosenkavalier at the Royal Opera House, Covent Garden, about 10 years ago. What a great memory! Unforgettable.
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Cosi fan tutte is a personal favorite - but have you seen the version with Sir Thomas Allen on youtube?
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No. Could you post it please?
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Of course my friend,

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Wow! What's with the apple?
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I prefer this version, it looks fantastic

But tell me what about Puccini, how do you rate him?
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We are in danger of going off topic. Let's do this be email.
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This is a two record set I have, note the flames on the candles 666.

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Wasn't there a significance in the number 3 in Mozart's music?

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Flames on the candles,666 or the Trinity??

http://philologos.org/__eb-trs/nac.htm

The New Age Trinity, or Logos.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/New...ice_Bailey.htm

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Flames on the candles,666 or the Trinity??
How about just candles.....
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How about just candles.....
Pyramid shaped ones or maybe a spire.

Surrounded by eternal knots.

Or,http://books.google.fr/books?id=5K0a...age&q=&f=false

or,

Once they are hidden, these occultic symbols are thought to possess great power.

Many people have natural tendencies to want to disbelieve unpleasant or frightening truths.
Occultists take advantage of this. "Audacity, always Audacity", is a saying the Masters of the Illuminati have always had. Something shocking and so far out and considered to be impossible,...... is Audacity.

People naturally feel that their leaders generally have their best interest at heart whether they be in a democracy or a government of royalty. Leaders may commit errors and may be incompetent. Some people may take solace in their belief that most leaders have their country's best interests at heart, most of the time.

The average citizen in any given country could not conceive that their leaders may consistently have evil in their hearts. And this evil would be towards the very people they are leading. (I mean just look at the carnage over the last few hundred years if not thousands)speaks volumes.

The symbols that were interwoven into the design of Governmental Centre, communicate tremendous power to the occultist while at the same time they hide the true meaning from non-occultist. These symbols take on a life of their own, in the mind of the occultist, possessing great inherent power to accomplish the plans of the occultist.

or,

GODDESS SYMBOLISM WITHIN FREEMASONRY

Faith, Hope and Charity or the three Marys of Orion take your pick,quite a list to choose from.

http://www.womanthouartgod.com/wmbondfreemasonry.php


"The Three Great Lights in Masonry are the Volume of Sacred Law, the Square and Compasses, and the sacred writings are understood to be those revered by the individual Mason. Although there are local variations in Freemasonry's symbolic structure, the Three Great Lights are universal. Taken together they form the most essential, as well as the most widely known, of the Masonic symbols. No Masonic Lodge can meet unless they are present and displayed."

On the top we have the beehive ruled by the Queen bee and the female worker bees representing either a matriarchal society or the ancient Goddess Artemis who was once the Great Mother. Then we have the compass and square on the open book which is a double vaginal symbol. Which is also a pre-historic symbol of the Great Mother. Then at the bottom we have Noah's ark. Noah's ark is a very ancient story that originally comes from Mesopotamia. Though it seems there are many similar stories about this all over the world.

or,(you could write a book on threes)

The Triple Goddess is very Ancient Symbol, known originally as the Maid, Mother and Crone. They were also later known as The Three Grey Ones, The Three Harpies, The Three Fates, The Three Graces and The Three Maries. As well as Faith, Hope and Charity. This trinity was also adopted by patriarchal religions. In Ancient Egypt they had the trinity of Isis, Osiris and Horus. While in Christianity we have the trinity of Father , Son and Holy Spirit as well as the three Marys who witnessed the crucifixion of Jesus.

The name Mary comes from the Egyptian goddess Maat and the Mesopotamian Goddess Mami or Mammitu which means Mother. So Mary was originally a name for the Great Mother.

SSShhh Maats the word.

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Pyramid shaped ones or maybe a spire.

Surrounded by eternal knots.



Once they are hidden, these occultic symbols are thought to possess great power.

Many people have natural tendencies to want to disbelieve unpleasant or frightening truths.

The name Mary comes from the Egyptian goddess Maat and the Mesopotamian Goddess Mami or Mammitu which means Mother. So Mary was originally a name for the Great Mother.

SSShhh Maats the word.
Some very interesting info there LG.

This ties in with this thread.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86414


I'm sure that the founders of MGM were masons? If this is so, then music and pictures are still influenced by Masonic symbolism.

The Moderator darkenternal posted in a thread showing the masonic symbolism in the song "One night in Bangkok".

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Sex Majick, a very watered down version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYAMq...eature=relatedwww.youtube.com/watch?v=SYAMqUuTOic&feature=related

The elites understand the power of sexuality and the combined power of the masculine and feminine. It is used as a powerful tool, while you are kept seperate from this truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWq4LDdoiZEwww.youtube.com/watch?v=jWq4LDdoiZE

Editing: Having trouble with the video imbedding staying. If both videos are not visible let me know.

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