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Old 29-07-2009, 07:17 PM   #1
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Default Cities/towns , and when the SHTF .

Tactical advice for those who live in cities when the SHTF . ( shit hits the fan )

( All views and tactics come from personal knowledge and experience which can be limited as I am not an urban tactical specialist and can only there for give you what I know . I will recommend that you research for your self as getting as much info as possible can never do any harm and I strongly recommend it . If you have anything to add to this thread by all means do so as you are more than welcome . )


Before I can even get down to this subject , you will need a simple down to earth explanation of the cogs that grind the machine so that you understand why some of the things are said and why most of these points are important .

The PTB ( powers that be IE Government officials / Army top ranks , senior citizens / authoritative figure heads )
are always at the top of the "most important people to save" list .
The governments top priority is to assure the continuum of government . This means , their ultimate goal ---------is to keep their position of power . This is quite frightening , since their main job should be to save the most knowledgeable and skilled people if TSHTF , yet its not , so I will not go into this further as it waists time and space .
This means that your life means nothing to them , so if you ever are caught in the middle of a city like say ---London , and a dirty bomb or a biological bomb was detonated , even if it had not infected you and the wind was blowing the other way , the City would be quarantined immediately , with you in it ! This is to stop the spread of infections and viruses , however like I said , even if soldiers knew that it was impossible for you to be infected , they would still quarantine you off from the rest of the world and from freedom . This in turn places you in the danger zone and keeps you there !
How does this make you feel ? I know how it makes me feel which is why I now refuse work in London however there are ways out that I will make later so look out for them as main roads etc will be blocked in those circumstances .

Only TPTB will have freedom to escape and that's as simple as it gets . They are given special treatment and you will have to fend for your self . There is no happy story in this situation . Your main objective is to get out of the cities .

The PTB second priority protocol if I am not mistaken is security .
This includes quarantine if needed
road blocks
security checks
martial law in those areas .

those who resist can be immediately thrown into jail with no rights or worse still ---shot on site . so don't go looking all dressed up like Rambo or ware any "out of the ordinary" clothes as you leave .

Here are a few things that will aid your ability to sustain a good escape .

If you can , get to know all routes in and out of the city / town . Not only roads , but more importantly --------none road ways . Thins like allies / footpaths , but better still , back of town and estate routes that are well away from roads and main streets etc .
You might find that even popping over the odd garden or two could make all the difference to your ability to get out unseen .Sometimes what can take you two minutes getting over a hedge or a wall can save you an all round 1/2 hour Journey around the roads , so get to know your town and area .

Know that roads can be blocked off or grid locked , so mountain bikes can serve good purpose for a fast easy and adaptive escape .

Take walks ---take to dog , take the family for a day out walking around , get to know your area on foot . it is a great way to experience the reality of what you might have to cope with and or obstacles you may encounter along the way .

If you do have contacts out of the city , keep in touch as a friend in need is a pain indeed --------ooops a friend indeed lol.
Having contacts outside from the city is handy as you don't want to be left out in the open and is a good way to share info when TSHTF .

Don't ware combats and carry massive machetes , you could attract the wrong sort of attention . ( speaks for it self )

When you have found a place in a smaller town or village away from large populated areas , if you do have friends there .
TELL THEM TO PREPARE TO BUG OUT !

Many people think it would be safe in villages however , if the SHTF it wouldn't take too long before villages were over run by gangs and hoards looting and killing folks there for supplies .
So it would be important for those in the country side not to be fooled that they are safe , because they are not . these places wouldn't take long before they were on the hit list .
Even the armed forces would sooner or later get their act together around those small areas and will capitalise on any supplies in local house holds etc . yep -they would simply knock on the door and barge in , looking for any weapons , food and other supplies .
Whats also important to know is that -----say if a atom bomb was detonated -guess who are the 1st folks to be sent in that area for cleaning up ?-----------yeah----------------- YOU !-----Simple town and country folks will be the fodder for clean ups , this allows the military to stay safe whilst getting the job done . so do not have any wild ideas that you will be safe . No one is safe in these situations .

I am now going to give you some essential tactics for escaping towns/cities .


esaping urban areas.

Your ability to escape urban areas and rural villages will vary according to how wealthy the country is and its climate .
For example ; A village or town that has local loyalties and/or strong cummunity or family connections with political people / parties can be harder to get about in than a place that is a casual construction such as public transport and a good level of wealth spread out in its community .
The main concern for every one in that area will be their own suspisions that has been generated by war/terror attacks .

For instants ; even a large western city/ town can offer anonymity to ethnis groups due to large ethnic populations and can offer concielment as long as you dont attract any attention towards you . As said "When in Rome - be roman".
Unshaven men will always attractattention , so keep handy a shaving kit of types .
Loitering and standing around a lot will not help your evasion , so if you do have to seek shelter and are stuck in a villgae/town , look for churches for prayer / or cinemas / entertainment centers for shelter by day/night . this can offer some warmth if you have become wet and cold and could keep you dry during bad spells .

Escaping by night .
Most evasion is always done by night .
Do not be over confident as armed forces or even locals acting as officers may have night scopes / infra red.This means that you will be constantly changing your routes between the easy route ( where most authorative figures will monitor ) and the hard routes where they usually wouldnt go . IE -- some footpaths , or even using the edge of fields .
Dont use roads of any type and bridges tend to have more observation posts than normal roads so be aware and know your route and if you have to swim in rivers ---------do so.

When escaping rural areas where check points and road blocks are . try to learn the local language as some towns speek differently to others and may have different phrases . Things like "fkn hell dont shoot dude " as to "hi their chappy , just waddling down to the lodge for a good old knees up mother brown" can make all the difference according to your location .
If you have no chioce and are in the fields or somewhere as to offer some distance between you and the check points , but are not totally out of sight , try to imitate the authority ( army or police ) head gear as your silluette . Many enemy recognition tactics use the silluette as a refference to bodies far away to asses enemy or friendly persons , so remember how your silluette appears to others if you are some distance away . It also helps to have fool proof and lagit papers / ID with you .

For safety reasons.
it is wise not to carry weapons especially if you are ------loud ones .
however --------if you need tools to aid your survival , it is handy to have maybe --- a screw driver / meat scew /anything sharp but SMALL so that you can use the tool in a silent way to bring down and kill animals if needed . ( think here please )
Making loud noises when protecting your self against wild animals will only bring attention towards your location .

The sad truth is -----------if you are cought with civilian clothes on , and have no ID , you cannot claim to be a POW or even have rights as you will be arrested as a spy or a terrorist . This may result in immediate imprisonment and/or immediate death sentance shoot on site . SO --------be aware of the dangers .

The Chamelion aproach.
This is to remain as inconspicuose as you possibly can .Be neutral in your behavour . Searching through public bins in a full view in parks etc is not normal acceptable behavour , so remember where you are .having all the right paper work / work permits etc is an esential thing to carry . the Chamelion can be a spot on citizen or a vagrant because of adaptability . One set of jeans a normal grey type coat can act as both . Dirty and ragged = vagrant --- yet a quick wash in a river can bring them to spick and span casual citizen .
The vagrant Chamelion finds where the local tramps or vagrants stay but make no mistake , your new entrance to the all ready formed comunity will not go un-noticed . beware , local drug dealers , theives and vagabonds may wish to rob you or even worse , so stay fully on the ball and dont mingle too much with the locals , yet also do not be too shady and evasive . It is a tricky thing but can help you get from one end of a city to another as vagrants are not often questioned and are usually taken no notice of .

If you have friends or contacts and are staying at their home you may become fully dependant on them for food and water and this can offer problems as far as rationing is concerned .
If you are shacking up or squatting , pick houses that are not too big and not too small . When you pick a room go for the one that has solid walls as your voice or noises may echo and alert folks there .
If you have done this , it is also advisable to practice and emergency exit . During this practice you should be taking notes of all exits from that place and/or all alternatives to escape .

I will now post some great threads for your leisure , please read them as they have great amounts of knowledge in them .
It is always better to prepare and not need it rather than find your self in deep shit when it does hit the fan .

A must get for all survivalists .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64477



It is wise to have something called a grab and run bag , as shown here on this thread .;
This aids a quick organised grab and run scenario where you are kitted out with basics . It is also handy to have at least £100 in a pocket of that bag for emergency purposes .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36063


other useful handy things to know .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44847

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44848

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38418

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44850

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44849

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44852

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...t=47247&page=2

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65970

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65971

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62734

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45462


Dont forget to pack those thin water proofs too for you and or any children you have .


So with all respect , I now ask any of you to post questions and ideas regarding this topic.

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Old 29-07-2009, 07:18 PM   #2
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Old 29-07-2009, 07:20 PM   #3
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Sub away Armourd Amazon , you are welcome . Good to see you too , hope all is well .

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Old 29-07-2009, 07:28 PM   #4
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I'm okay, how are you?
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Old 29-07-2009, 07:40 PM   #5
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I'm okay, how are you?
Im fine .

Just .

this forum has been infultrated and is trashed .

it is turning out to be ------------undesirable .
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Old 30-07-2009, 02:24 PM   #6
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Good post, Track! Thanks!
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Old 30-07-2009, 02:44 PM   #7
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Good post, Track! Thanks!
From what I have read on your threads this seems right up your street and wouldnt surprise me if you knew a lot in this area .
I hope you didnt mind me using links to your threads , dude .

I thought that they would be ever so helpfull because if anything , many of the links you have on your threads are indeed really handy to know especially the ------------"where there is no DR" thread .

thankyou for your comment Jonas parker , your welcome .

just a question as I seem to know that those in the USA tend to know loads in this area , so I was hoping if I may be so bold as to ask you to recommend other sistes that may specialise in this area .

much thanks anyway .

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I have re-edited this thread and given detailed tactics for escaping cities and towns in states of emergency .

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Old 31-07-2009, 07:45 PM   #11
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THIS THERAD ROCKS!

Thanks tracker!
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Old 31-07-2009, 09:43 PM   #12
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2011 Nov 11 is when the shit hits the fan, so get away by then. That's the best tactic.
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Old 31-07-2009, 10:24 PM   #13
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THIS THERAD ROCKS!

Thanks tracker!
Thank you dude .

I had written it 1st and posted it in short because I was tired , but when I got the energy back I went to town on it lol , and did whatI could covering as most aspects as possible .

again thanks for the compliment .

Another place that cities and towns dont really look at is the roof tops , above the cameras , unless a camera picks you up from a distance , so the best place to be would be away from the edge of the roofs but somehwere near the middle staying low , and defl look out for sky lights etc .
Access to town center roof tops are more easy to get too than we care to think , the reason for this is ----------hardly any bugger goes up there .( edit ) This is not a plan to stay put however , it is a tactic to get from A to B if you had too .

same with grave yards .

I have made a dog evasion thread here .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75666


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Thank you dude .

I had written it 1st and posted it in short because I was tired , but when I got the energy back I went to town on it lol , and did whatI could covering as most aspects as possible .

again thanks for the compliment .

Another place that cities and towns dont really look at is the roof tops , above the cameras , unless a camera picks you up from a distance , so the best place to be would be away from the edge of the roofs but somehwere near the middle staying low , and defl look out for sky lights etc .
Access to town center roof tops are more easy to get too than we care to think , the reason for this is ----------hardly any bugger goes up there .

same with grave yards .

The only problem with that is military/police helicopters or drones Also u are trapped once up there try getting down !! Water/food !! for how long to stay up there ??
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The only problem with that is military/police helicopters or drones Also u are trapped once up there try getting down !! Water/food !! for how long to stay up there ??
OK I should have made my self clear , I was talking about ------getting from A to B lol.
Not staying put .

I ma glad you bought this up otherwise I dread to think on the amount of people who may also be reading it that way , thank you , I shall edit that post .

many thanks .

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So is your repply Cafetimes

Thank you too dude ; I do sometimes get the odd brain storm now and again .
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i'm just starting to open my eyes to this, and am starting to undertand how important it is to be prepared. A great thread, and good links, thanks tracker.

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OK I should have made my self clear , I was talking about ------getting from A to B lol.
Not staying put .

I ma glad you bought this up otherwise I dread to think on the amount of people who may also be reading it that way , thank you , I shall edit that post .

many thanks .
Ok im struggling to think of a scenario where I would try and implement this?? You may b able to move.... a very limited distance... that way !! Next time you are in a town center either try and get up to a multi storey car park and have a look around at the rooftops. Try and visualize how far u would get ( possibly with kit to carry as well )!! Not having a go at u Tracker just hopefully giving some input from experience!! Take it u got my Pm as u didnt reply

If we are talking about movement and concealment in built up areas hopefully it is in an area that u know so will have some advantage over say incoming forces.

Movement in built up areas if the shtf will be quite easy. As in shtf Im talking about breakdown of society and the law and armed forces (hostile !!) trying to take over etc.

What any of you seem to realize is in that situation the rule book goes out the window so moving from building to building can b done as u see fit without worry of damaging any property..After all its your life and loved ones you are saving. Research how people moved around Sariavo while under bombardment and sniper attack . The only reason to b on a roof is for an op or a firing position !!

Having conducted v hostile operations in a few reasonably Large European cities the last thing we were worried about was damage to buildings lol

If u are on about a non life threatening situation and are just on the run, well u take the risk. Personally I wd just blend in with the general population and fuck the cameras, in fact if it was this country just put a burka on

This I cant emphasise enough WHEN THE SHIT HITS THE FAN THE RULE BOOK GOES OUT THE WINDOW

Don't think in a programmed way like you are used to YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE

Yes it sounds far fetched (yawn) but im afraid that's the reality
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Ok im struggling to think of a scenario where I would try and implement this?? You may b able to move.... a very limited distance... that way !! Next time you are in a town center either try and get up to a multi storey car park and have a look around at the rooftops. Try and visualize how far u would get ( possibly with kit to carry as well )!! Not having a go at u Tracker just hopefully giving some input from experience!! Take it u got my Pm as u didnt reply

If we are talking about movement and concealment in built up areas hopefully it is in an area that u know so will have some advantage over say incoming forces.

Movement in built up areas if the shtf will be quite easy. As in shtf Im talking about breakdown of society and the law and armed forces (hostile !!) trying to take over etc.

What any of you seem to realize is in that situation the rule book goes out the window so moving from building to building can b done as u see fit without worry of damaging any property..After all its your life and loved ones you are saving. Research how people moved around Sariavo while under bombardment and sniper attack . The only reason to b on a roof is for an op or a firing position !!

Having conducted v hostile operations in a few reasonably Large European cities the last thing we were worried about was damage to buildings lol

If u are on about a non life threatening situation and are just on the run, well u take the risk. Personally I wd just blend in with the general population and fuck the cameras, in fact if it was this country just put a burka on

This I cant emphasise enough WHEN THE SHIT HITS THE FAN THE RULE BOOK GOES OUT THE WINDOW

Don't think in a programmed way like you are used to YOU WILL NOT SURVIVE

Yes it sounds far fetched (yawn) but im afraid that's the reality
maybe its just my town , but town centers and shoping malls do offer some conveniant and sometimes essential ground cover .
You are right , you couldnt get from one end of town to another , but you might be able to use the buildings to move from A to E where as foot patrol will have to go to A/then B/then C etc . It is after all , just something to concider . You idea of going on a multi story carpark to recky the town is a good idea .

Your comment about the rule book is also true , one could break into a building just to use as a dummy to confuse and attract patrols , thsu they search in that building and you have gone all the way through it and gained time .
the prgrammed mind is easy to evade , and so as your comment states , we should think beyond the normal prgrammed box , is what I got from that anyway . I have just made another thread .

Escaping tracker dogs/ attack dogs .
hope you like it .
It is in conjunction with this one .I have made a dog evasion thread here .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75666


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