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Old 13-07-2009, 01:38 PM   #1
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13 July 2009

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The Mandaeans: Secret UFO and extraterrestrial wisdom

Michael Cohen [email protected]

With all the talk about Nibiru, 2012 and UFOs it is amazing that many doing the talking have never heard of the Mandaeans, really amazing. It is like knowing all about Jesus and never having heard of the Jews. In fact it is amazing that Jews, Muslims and Christians have hardly heard of these people, considering they, in all likelihood, are the possessors of the religion and heritage that gave birth to all of the three monotheistic religions and they are still around to tell their story even if no one wants to hear it. So unknown is this grouping that even spell-check on Microsoft Word doesn’t recognise their name: yet none of this should diminish their incredible importance.

So who are the Mandaeans? Firstly there are about fifty thousand of them left in the world. Most of them lived in Iraq as a cohesive group for over four thousand years until America decided to go in to that country and help create the chaos that now engulfs the place. Ironically, Saddam Hussein was a great friend of theirs and protected them. Bizarrely Saddam understood their immense importance while the west clearly didn’t.
In the aftermath of the invasion of Iraq it was said that since Saddam Hussein was no longer around to protect them they would be safer outside their ancestral land, the land they have lived in for least four thousand years. The vast majority left for Syria and Jordan, allegedly for this reason. All of those that were able to moved much further away. In what must have been one of history's crassest shows of lack of humanity and ignorance, those who made the initial mistake of heading to Australia were branded as serious terror threats and then locked up for years in barbaric detention centres. Some Mandaeans attempted suicide in this horrific situation, many were psychologically scarred for life by these events.

Strange as the Mandaeans are vegetarians and pacifists par excellence. There exists no record of any Mandaean committing the crime of murder for two thousand years. Perhaps that was Australia’s way of thanking the group for the entire range of ‘Judeo-Christian’ beliefs that supposedly underpin our society.
Anyway, let 's move on to the history and beliefs of the Mandaeans: Much confusion and ignorance exists regarding the Mandaeans and their history.

The orientalist E.S Drower inaccurately listed their beliefs as the following:

1. A supreme formless Entity, the expression of which in time and space is creation of spiritual, etheric, and material worlds and beings.
2. Dualism: a cosmic Father and Mother, Light and Darkness, Right and Left, syzygy in cosmic and microcosmic form.
3. As a feature of this dualism, counter-types, a world of ideas.
4. The soul is portrayed as an exile, a captive: her home and origin being the supreme Entity to which she eventually returns.
5. Planets and stars influence fate and human beings, and are also places of detention after death.
6. A saviour spirit or saviour spirits which assist the soul on her journey through life and after it to 'worlds of light'.
7. A cult-language of symbol and metaphor. Ideas and qualities are personified.
8. 'Mysteries', i.e. sacraments to aid and purify the soul, to ensure her rebirth into a spiritual body, and her ascent from the world of matter.
9. Great secrecy is enjoined upon initiates; full explanation of 1, 2, and 8 being reserved for those considered able to understand and preserve the gnosis.

According to Wikipedia:

'Mandaeans believe in marriage and procreation, and in the importance of leading an ethical and moral lifestyle in this world, placing a high priority upon family life. Consequently, Mandaeans do not practice celibacy or asceticism. Mandaeans will, however, abstain from strong drink and red meat. They look forward to a future liberated from the influence of the Torah, which they regard as evil in origin.'
The key holy book of the Mandaeans is known as the Ginza Rabba.

The above-mentioned beliefs, however, by no means represent the inner core of their belief system and a mere glimpse into the Mandaean holy books will well confirm this. Mandaeans fully understood the boundaries of tolerance of the ‘great religions’ and would only reveal to outsiders a version of their faith that would ensure the safety and survival of the group.

For hundreds of years the Mandaeans have pretended to be ‘Christians of St John’ in order to avoid persecution by both Christian and Islamic rulers as a pre-Biblical and pre-Koranic religion. This name refers to the fact that the group does in fact regard St John as a prophet, the only post-Abrahamic Judeo-Christian figure they do revere, seemingly due to his respect for and use of water and baptism as means of achieving purity (Immersing oneself in running water is a key Mandaean religious activity): Jesus however is in fact regarded as a false messiah and even a demon. In fact as mentioned above, the Mandaeans regard all Biblical characters starting with Abraham and beyond as rather evil. They do however revere Adam, Shem, Noah and even Abraham’s father the Idol maker Terach as holy men.

Agenda driven Christian scholars have always claimed the group are a Gnostic offshoot of Second Temple era Judaism, so as not to shake or challenge the foundations of Christianity. This explanation doesn’t wash for many reasons and is clearly false.
Firstly, it is unlikely that a religion based on Judaism would reject all biblical prophets from Abraham and beyond or have as one of its central tenets the belief that the Torah derives from an evil source and when the messianic era arrives the world will be washed of it's infuence. The language the Mandaeans speak has been confirmed as being one of purest linguistic descendants of the ancient Chaldean-Babylonian tongue. The obvious importance of water and the requirement to live near running water that springs from the ground are an indication of the Mandaeans true Sumerian lineage. Are these people no less than the descendants of the very priests of the most ancient of all faiths?

The Mandaeans themselves guard their lineage fanatically: in order to be part of the group all ancestors must be Mandaeans, and no exceptions are allowed. The community accept no converts and a Mandaean must marry another Mandaean with all four grandparents and all eight great-grandparents being Mandaeans and so forth. This has obviously hampered the growth of the group in terms of numbers.

While in the past the Mandaeans chose survival and were happy for outsiders to be ignorant of their proud heritage, now however Mandaeans are more likely to proudly tell the world who they really are: The direct descendants in terms of culture, religion and genetics of the ancient Babylonians and the Sumerians before them! The main Mandaean website www.mandaeanunion.org says no less.
So what do the Mandaeans really believe in more specifically and how is this relevant to UFO’s and Nibiru?

Consider this well known Mandaean legend of the Ginza Rabba:

Once the melki and the 'uthri, twelve thousand of
them, wished to see Melek Ziwa (the Light King), the
great god of all, for each had a question to ask about the
created world, such as 'Why are the trees green ?' 'Why
does this happen, and why that?' and so on. Each one of
them had a question. They mounted vehicles like ships
that moved by electrum and they rose from Awathur
until they reached the highest heaven. When they had
attained the highest heaven, a blinding light fell upon
them, and they could not gaze, but fell on their faces.
Only Hiwel Ziwa, who was with them, remained upright.

The Mandaeans still maintain most of the classical Babylonian beliefs such as those regarding Enuma Elish and the significance of the planet Nibiru. The Mandaeans worship a multitude of Gods corresponding to ancient Babylonian ideas of divinity. Such Gods include the well known Marduk, Anu, Enlil and Enki as well as the less known mother goddess Ru Ha (associated by the Mandaeans with the biblical God Jehovah) . Here we have a cosmogony derived from the ancient Sumerians, and we may regard the Mandaeans as the modern representatives of the faith of Abzu and Eridu.

The beliefs of the Mandaeans are clearly not based on Judaism but rather the other way around. They mirror those of the ancient Babylonians and form the basis of much of the legends found in the book of Genesis: The creation story, Adam and Eve, Noah's ark and the tower of Babel all spring from the Mandaean faith. While the concept of the divine might differ, the basic ideas of this ancient faith clearly influenced Abraham and the development of early Judaism. The ethical aspect of the religion differs little from the morality of the Ten Commandments. Much of the Jewish Kabbalah is remarkably similar to Mandaean mysticism.

Not surprisingly astrology plays a very big part of the faith and culture and by all accounts the Mandaeans have inherited the Sumerian traditions in this respect: The movements of stars and planets are regarded as having a major influence on our lives. Little is known of the Mandaean attitudes towards 2012, however of massive interest is the fact that the entire community recently uprooted and left its homeland…of four thousand years. This despite assurances by the current Iraqi government that the group will be protected from enemies.

This seems strange as the group has religiously remained the area they regard as the earth's navel, once known as Mesopotamia, for 4000 years and the region has seen more than its fair share of strife and war over the millennia and the current conflict would hardly stand out in this respect. All that were able have gone to either far-flung Canada or Australia. Why have these rather isolated areas been chosen? Do the true inheritors of Sumerian astrology know something about a coming Middle Eastern catastrophe?

The Mandaeans also believe in Great Spirit Men that came from the stars to teach their ancient Sumerian ancestors the arts of civilization. These are, of course, the Annunaki. Fascinatingly ancient Sumerian engravings depict Annunaki arriving on earth in UFO like craft. It is believed that the Mandaeans today are waiting for the Annunaki's imminent return. These inheritors of the most ancient of astrological knowledge might well have 2012 marked as the year their ancient allies return from the stars and reward them for millennia of holding the torch of faith and knowledge, longer than any other group on earth.

So do the Mandaeans possess secret knowledge of the UFO phenomena and of a coming open alien presence on earth? Are they preparing for a cataclysmic catastrophe in the year 2012?
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i watched this the other day it didn`t make a lot of sense till i read the above

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thanks your the first to think so congratulations on your open mind
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CHECK OUT POST 69,GOOD POST .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...t=68047&page=7

ALSO CHECK OUT CHRIS EVERARD VID,SECRET SPACE.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38041682252442

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CHECK OUT POST 69,GOOD POST .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...t=68047&page=7

ALSO CHECK OUT CHRIS EVERARD VID,SECRET SPACE.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38041682252442
cheers LG this was my line of thinking also but i thought it would have been about destroying ancient architecture rather than ancient bloodlines which is more disturbing than what i was thinking but then isn`t it always from now on i`m just going to think of the worst possible scenario then i will probabnly hit the nail on the head these are a sick group of people thanks for the info.

i posted this with referance to the architecture probably two birds with one stone.

UNESCO: US seriously damaged historic Babylon
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090709/...unesco_babylon

In this photo taken Wednesday, June 24, 2009, Gina Haney from the World AP – In this photo taken Wednesday, June 24, 2009, Gina Haney from the World Monuments Fund makes notes during …


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090709/ca...yk28GPUnrWTg--


By KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer Kim Gamel, Associated Press Writer – 19 mins ago

BAGHDAD – U.S. troops and contractors in Iraq inflicted serious damage on Babylon, driving heavy machinery over sacred paths, bulldozing hilltops and digging trenches through one of the world's greatest archaeological sites, experts for UNESCO said Thursday.

"The use of Babylon as a military base was a grave encroachment on this internationally known archaeological site," said a report which the U.N. cultural agency presented in Paris.

UNESCO officials stressed that the damage didn't begin with the U.S. military nor fully end after it left. Archaeologists took away some of Babylon's finest treasures in the 19th century, Saddam Hussein embellished the site with his own structures, and looters returned when the Americans handed the site back to the Iraqis 21 months after the March 2003 invasion.

Now Babylon is the object of turf war between newly empowered Iraqi officials. At the national level, Iraq's state antiquities office, focused on conservation, is up against officials of the province surrounding Babylon who want to attract tourists. They have already provoked concern by leveling a section of the site to create a picnic area.

UNESCO aims to make the 4,000-year-old city fit for the coveted title of World Heritage site, and will work to enforce international conventions on the protection of historic sites "so that what happened to Babylon can't ever happen again," said Francoise Riviere, the agency's undersecretary general for culture.

Archaeologist John Curtis of the British Museum, who inspected the site just after U.S. troops left, said it was too soon to assess the cost of restoring and fully protecting the site.

Several initiatives to save Babylon have been announced in recent years, but have made little headway. Now, with the decline of violence in Iraq, hopes are pinned on a two-year, $700,000 project financed by the U.S. State Department to develop a program aimed at balancing tourism and archaeology at Babylon.

The Future of Babylon Project is a partnership of the World Monuments Fund, a New York-based nonprofit organization, and Iraq's State Board of Antiquities and Heritage.

A WMF team of experts toured the site last month and came away surprised at the extent of conservation problems to be tackled — some of them cases of good intentions gone bad, such as preserving walls with thick plaster.

"On some walls, the plaster was too thick and fell off, pulling down part of the wall with it," Gina Haney, a WMF expert on the tour, said in Baghdad.

Much of the damage to the site, 100 kilometers (60 miles) south of Baghdad, is man-made.

European archaeologists carted away the Ishtar Gate, the city's symbol, now in Berlin's Pergamon museum. The Louvre in Paris got the giant stone slab on which King Hammurabi's 4,000-year-old code of law was written.

Saddam turned the ruins into a theme park, paving walkways, building restaurants and a palace on an artificial hill, and even inscribing his name on some buildings.

Allen said the 2003 war bought the restoration project some time because it prevented premature, ill-supervised development of the site. But looters rampaged through Babylon after the U.S.-led invasion, and U.S. forces stuffed sandbags with dirt that contained ancient pottery and brick fragments, the UNESCO assessment said.

It said U.S. forces and the contractors they employed, mainly KBR, then a Halliburton subsidiary, "caused major damage to the city by digging, cutting, scraping, and leveling."

The U.S. military did not immediately respond to requests for comment, but in the past it has said looting would have been worse had its troops not been there.

The report said steel stakes were driven into ancient walls, which included fragments with inscriptions from the time of King Nebuchadnezzar II, who ruled 2 1/2 millennia ago and is credited with building the Hanging Gardens of Babylon — one of the Seven Wonders of the World.

A helicopter pad, roads and parking lots were built, and heavy vehicles devastated ancient brick roads, the report said. The symbolic dragon-snakes adorning many of the structures have been partly smashed.

Today there's no trace of the legendary Hanging Gardens. But no large-scale exploration has been done at Babylon in nearly a century, and according to the UNESCO report, archaeologists believe "much remains buried beneath the earth and there is still a great deal to discover."
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Hi Monkey boy

Keep up the good work,there are definite connections.
and yes the destruction in Iraq is more to it than oil,definite cover up going on.

Yes we have SICK EVIL people(or reptilian hybrids)in power.

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thanks for the info LG the wiki page says there are about a thousand here in the uk but i cant find any links to them i would love to have a talk with one of these guys and find out their story

http://mandaeanunion.org/History/EN_History_007.htm
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thanks for the info LG the wiki page says there are about a thousand here in the uk but i cant find any links to them i would love to have a talk with one of these guys and find out their story

http://mandaeanunion.org/History/EN_History_007.htm
Did you watch the vid I posted,remember the tale about the American army captain chopping off the head of a Iraqi civilian with a sword

I wonder if they are mandaens the ones the military are targeting?


There are thought to be between 60,000 and 70,000 Mandaeans worldwide, and until the 2003 Iraq war, almost all of them lived in Iraq. The 2003 Iraq War reduced the population of Iraqi Mandaeans to approximately 5,000 by 2007.


The Mandaeans are "a small [not more than 20,000 adherents] but tenacious community which dwells in Iraq, follow an ancient form of Gnosticism, which practices initiation, ecstasy and some rituals which have been said to resemble those of the Freemasons."
- Arkon Daraul, Secret Societies

Do not usually like using the BBC for info,but this one is quite OK,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7678123.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm

Mandaeans, followers of Adam and John the baptist.
3.22 is quite interesting.


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yes i think you are right thats what i meant about bloodlines but with this their knowledge goes also yes two stories in the bbc i got a news behind the news vibe of those if you know ehat i mean what do you reckon?

thanks for the links but i dont speak mandiac but it sounds like a happy enough song like the people

i wish this one had subtitles

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yes i think you are right thats what i meant about bloodlines but with this their knowledge goes also yes two stories in the bbc i got a news behind the news vibe of those if you know ehat i mean what do you reckon?
I am on the trail.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=68047&page=12

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so you are we would have this cracked if everyone on here did the same

if your on the line i think your on you have to mention this guy john dee


also i posted this it may interest you

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so you are we would have this cracked if everyone on here did the same

if your on the line i think your on you have to mention this guy john dee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_dee

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I have a copy of this book.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The...839244/?itm=21

picked it up a year ago on the clearance table for $1

Now I'm feeling inclined to finally crack it open.
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http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The...839244/?itm=21

picked it up a year ago on the clearance table for $1

Now I'm feeling inclined to finally crack it open.
I will check that tomorrow.

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well guys im mandaean and i can tell you some thing that you stated are incorrect
-saddam is and was no friend of mandaeans- my family escaped to america just because of him and persecution
most people cannot comprehend what it feels like to be a persecuted mandaean
for example say you were at your house enjoying yourself and people break in and beat you. rape the women, take the jewlery, etc. then have your loved ones get abducted BECAUSE you are mandaean and have NO way to get them back or at least contact them.
wherever your country is, imagine you have to leave it, leave EVERYTHING behind

-it is very funny that people like to think that we know something about 2012
i speak for all of us when i say that we have no knowledge of any event that will occur in 2012.

thank you for reading this and god bless
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Teach us about your people and their practices then.

I have always believed that there is very quite obviously a war on those that practice certain arts.

Looked at whats happend to the Native Americans.
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Well what can I say other than that a LOT of the stuff on the internet regarding us is false like we don't believe that Jerusalem is a demonic land, etc.
I sincerely believe that we predate Christianity, Judaism, and Islam because of the stuff I've researched and my grandpa answering my questions.

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