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Old 10-07-2007, 10:26 AM   #1
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I have heard and read by David Icke, Osho, a mystic from India, Einstein,
and many wise men that TIME DOES NOT EXIST. which is so.
CHRONOLOGICAL TIME ,the kind of time we live in, and have invented,a day with 24 hours, 1 hour with 60 minutes, a year with 365 days and so on, it is something we have all agreed on, although it is not written anywhere to make things work according to rotation so we work during the day and sleep
at night, or viceversa sometimes.

iN INDIA THE MYSTIC OSHO DIVIDES IT IN cronological time, PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME, and EXISTENCIAL TIME.

Cronological time as I understand it is the time we all live being inside the establishment, the matrix time, the clocktime ,which has no meaning, and does not inted to, it simply wants to make us utilitarian. But it is a fake.

Psychological time is a fake although a bit less of a fake. One is more into his or her emotions ,feels time going by slower or faster according how happy or unhappy things are going ,still the day has 24 hours, but feels sdifferently. It has more to do with art, beauty ,dreams. Children live in Psychological time, no hurry at all, versus adults who are always in a hurry,
therefore misunderstanding is very easy among them.
Sometimes couples have a big fight over something not realizing he wants to get somewhere on time(he is living in the Cronological time) and she is taking her time tochoose a beautiful dress(psychological time)

Existential time, or REAL time ,has to do with meaning within us,
it is not CHRONOLOGICAL , not utilitarian, not psychological, not outer,
but the inner , there is no separation of past, present and futurre. The past is merely a memory, only the present exists, and teh future as not yet come,
(one of the reasons why politicians, Illuminatis an such, only SPEAK ABOUT THE FUTURE, because if they talk about the past they messed up things, and there is no longer an illusion that things might turn right , because we KNOW they turned wrong, in the present time everything is also wrong, so what can they talk about except the illusion of the future that has not yet come?)
The mayans of Mexico ahd a calendar withh each day being different, with 364 plus one day out of time. Years later the Vatican with Pope Gregoius changed that to the gregorian calendar we have today, a Cronological calendar, meaningless, UTILITARIAN only.

Time has been since a long time ago an Implanted belief ,on one side, and a necessity (just like money) on the other side.
If after a war, everyone dead, all cloks telling time ,but who needs to know? If man is no longer on the planet ,time will have died with human beings also,
since it was an invention.

Most people in madhouses, are living in psychological time, one has to get out of that illusiory time. and go to the existential. And being aware that although a fake the Cronological Time and psychological time are needed
to put us in order, including the people from the Old world order.
If we understand what time is, we will have understood one of the greatest truth. Also, although it can't be changed, one of the greatest systems of control ever, based on the earth's rotation day and night.
We are happy the way past present and future have been divided,
but we only have the present moment, the rest is feelings memories dreams,
and the utilitarian (work to earn a living)
Things won't change, all"different times" will continue to be used, understanding of it iiiiiis interesting.
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:57 AM   #2
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"Time is a human "artificial" conceptual notion that has been conceived by mankind in order to measure the order and sequence of events... it's almost a mere perception of our transition from birth to death - i.e., our lifetimes.

Other than that, it has no real existence. It is not a traversable dimension, hypothetically or not, because there is no such thing as a continuum of time. Space time continuum is science fiction.
Let me explain: To use the very time-based term "forever", quite simply the universe has been around... forever. Sure, the "Creation" happened, but that was simply the most recent major event that has happened on a universal scale... that we are able to see through radio telescopes. But it doesn't mean it was particularly special... like the Alpha or something. In all probability, it was one of a long line of "Creations" that are the result of the pull of gravity sucking the entire universe in and consequently and conversely (due to Newton's Laws) the opposite reactive forces cause everything to explode out again creating a "fresh" universe.

We digress... So, essentially, as far as time is concerned, we live in a "static" universe, and when something moves from one point to another, it moves through space and granted it happens in a particular order, and granted it can be measured using a clock, but that is simply a point of reference. You are simply comparing the positions of the hands on a clockface at the start of the object's movement to the hands' positions at the end of the object's movement. And hence, we have mankind's measurement of time, and this same referencing method is used "universally" (so to speak) amongst all humans.

But there is no reference to any other point in time without involving the state of another separate object to measure it. If time truly existed, then we could measure the length of time of an event with reference to the beginning of time. But the beginning of time is unfathomable, incomprehensible. Some might say that it is because it is beyond human comprehension. But that's really just overlooking the concept that time doesn't exist at all. The fundamental objects that make up the universe (rocks, atoms, electrons, quarks, etc.) didn't just pop out of thin air one day. They have "always" been around (to use another time-based term!). The best way I can think of right now is to think back to Stephen King's 1995 film The Langoliers. Without the Langoliers, the place where the aeroplane passengers ended up would've existed statically without time (their clocks stopped, remember) "forever". But things could still be moved without reference to anything time-based. They made some fundamental mistakes like saying fire and smell could not exist without time, but they are simply objects just like anything else: ions and combusting gases, respectively."
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:58 AM   #3
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I have heard and read by David Icke, Osho, a mystic from India, Einstein,
and many wise men that TIME DOES NOT EXIST. which is so.
CHRONOLOGICAL TIME ,the kind of time we live in, and have invented,a day with 24 hours, 1 hour with 60 minutes, a year with 365 days and so on, it is something we have all agreed on, although it is not written anywhere to make things work according to rotation so we work during the day and sleep
at night, or viceversa sometimes.

iN INDIA THE MYSTIC OSHO DIVIDES IT IN cronological time, PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME, and EXISTENCIAL TIME.

Cronological time as I understand it is the time we all live being inside the establishment, the matrix time, the clocktime ,which has no meaning, and does not inted to, it simply wants to make us utilitarian. But it is a fake.

Psychological time is a fake although a bit less of a fake. One is more into his or her emotions ,feels time going by slower or faster according how happy or unhappy things are going ,still the day has 24 hours, but feels sdifferently. It has more to do with art, beauty ,dreams. Children live in Psychological time, no hurry at all, versus adults who are always in a hurry,
therefore misunderstanding is very easy among them.
Sometimes couples have a big fight over something not realizing he wants to get somewhere on time(he is living in the Cronological time) and she is taking her time tochoose a beautiful dress(psychological time)

Existential time, or REAL time ,has to do with meaning within us,
it is not CHRONOLOGICAL , not utilitarian, not psychological, not outer,
but the inner , there is no separation of past, present and futurre. The past is merely a memory, only the present exists, and teh future as not yet come,
(one of the reasons why politicians, Illuminatis an such, only SPEAK ABOUT THE FUTURE, because if they talk about the past they messed up things, and there is no longer an illusion that things might turn right , because we KNOW they turned wrong, in the present time everything is also wrong, so what can they talk about except the illusion of the future that has not yet come?)
The mayans of Mexico ahd a calendar withh each day being different, with 364 plus one day out of time. Years later the Vatican with Pope Gregoius changed that to the gregorian calendar we have today, a Cronological calendar, meaningless, UTILITARIAN only.

Time has been since a long time ago an Implanted belief ,on one side, and a necessity (just like money) on the other side.
If after a war, everyone dead, all cloks telling time ,but who needs to know? If man is no longer on the planet ,time will have died with human beings also,
since it was an invention.

Most people in madhouses, are living in psychological time, one has to get out of that illusiory time. and go to the existential. And being aware that although a fake the Cronological Time and psychological time are needed
to put us in order, including the people from the Old world order.
If we understand what time is, we will have understood one of the greatest truth. Also, although it can't be changed, one of the greatest systems of control ever, based on the earth's rotation day and night.
We are happy the way past present and future have been divided,
but we only have the present moment, the rest is feelings memories dreams,
and the utilitarian (work to earn a living)
Things won't change, all"different times" will continue to be used, understanding of it iiiiiis interesting.
Im a big fan of OSHO he is one of the most brilliant minds in my opinion. Also take a look at this fantastic video by alan watts.

http://deoxy.org/watch/rTaklXTSDPE
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Old 10-07-2007, 08:34 PM   #4
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Interesting video!, and comment.

You are also absolutly right Pumma ! Steven Hawkings also perceived this in a book called A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME. RIGHT!

It's incredible how much explanation has to be given
about something the Matrix wants us to believe,
an invention, because it is needed for the system that we do,
people can't live without having a watch. In India some women
can't tell time, but wear them because they look beautiful,
hahahaha
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Thanks for the Link to Alan Watts! Seen him for the first time and just headed over to YouTube for more... Wow, very enlightening!

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"THE BROTHERHOOD HAS TUNED THE HUMAN CONCIOUSNESS INTO A FALSE PERSPECTIVE OF TIME, AND IN DOING SO , THEY HAVE DISCONNECTED HUMANITY FROM THE REST OF CREATION WHICH OPERATES ON A DIFFERENT VERSION OF TIME.THUS HUMANITY IS LIVING ITS LIFE OUT OF SYNCRONICITY WITH THE UNIVERSE. NO WONDER THERE'S SO MUCH IMBALANCE. IN TRUTH THERE IS NO TIME. IT IS ONLY OUR PERCEPTION OF TIME,THAT MAKE EVENTS APPEAR TO BE HAPPENING IN A LINEAR TIME LINE. " David Icke in The Biggest Secret
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I've listened to Alan Watts on Liberty radio and he sonds like a scottsman. He sounds a lot different that the Alan Watts in that video. Are they the same person?.
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I've listened to Alan Watts on Liberty radio and he sonds like a scottsman. He sounds a lot different that the Alan Watts in that video. Are they the same person?.
Completely different people
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Osho joke on cronological Time and how we apply it among ourselves:

There came a loud knock at the door, just when the doctor had settled down for a sleep, he got up and asked the man at the door, "what is it?"
"I have been bitten by a dog", the man said,
"Well, don't you know that my hours of consultation are between 12 and 3PM?"
"yes" growned the peasant
"yes, but the dog did not know that, and he bit me at twenty to four"
so what am I supposed to do?
Dogs don't believe in clocks

Another doctor's

Behind the desk it said EMERGENCY , CASUALTY REGISTRATION
A man struggled in bruised and muddy,
he was full with blood bandages,limping on both legs,
clutching his arm to stand the flow of blood,














he crawled to the desk, and groaned "Doctor, Doctor"!!,
The receptionist asked "Have you an appointment sir?

"Once the cronological time is taken too seriously, then one forgets everything else."
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Ten o'clock!



(sorry, I couldn't resist that!)
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Ten o'clock!



(sorry, I couldn't resist that!)
"It's ten O'clock" in what Country?

Different continents different Cronological times friend

Linear and horizontal also.
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Old 16-07-2007, 06:26 AM   #13
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Time is change. And change is time. They are the same thing.

"I am Time, the destroyer of worlds," -- The Bhagadvadgita 11:32

The individual is suspended between a loathsome feeling towards time as destruction and the hidden dread of an eternal life.

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Jesus was asked what would be the most important thing
in his kingdom of heaven, and he said:

"THERE SHALL BE TIME NO LONGER"

Time is also associated with our process of thought, the mind,
so here and now we can choose to be in heaven, in the inner,
and not have the mind as our master,
as the saying goes: " He who possesses your time, possesses your mind"

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What you are saying Anders Lindman is absolutly true,

"Change is time, and time is change
I am time the destroyer of all worlds."

In my understanding this would be refering to "Real time"
"existential time", time as it is , NON-EXISTANT
time without the STRUCTURE not as a human INVENTION,
eternal ,not of the outer world. The Inner world has no time.
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Nope... can't get this at all. Could someone have another go at explaining this please.
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" In 1572 Pope Gregory announced that a new calendar was to be introduced, The Gregorian Calendar, and it was implemented in October 1582.
It was another Brotherhood scam and the Gregorian Calendar became the fixed standard time for the planet.

This means that the human mind is tuned to this manufactured flow of 'time'
when we look at a clock, watch, or plan the future with a diary

(....) The Gregorian Calendar is a farce.It is the time eqauivalent of throwing all your clothes in a wardrobe and leaning against the door to stop it flinging open. Here we have a 12 month year of 6o minute hours and 24 hour day with the months so ill fitting that some are 30 days, others 31 , another 28, or 29 every four years. The idea was to disconnect human conciousness from Moon time , and the Gregorian Calendar removed the 13th moon . Instead we have 12 months and 12 moon cycles The Brotherhood hierarchy still l operate their calendars to Moon time--another reason for their obsession with 13.

And when you disconnect people from the natural flow of time ,you are disconnecting them from all that operates in that flow of time. Thus the Western (and incresingly Global 'civilisation') has lost his rapport with the natural world and is out of sync with its environment."

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What you are saying Anders Lindman is absolutly true,

"Change is time, and time is change
I am time the destroyer of all worlds."

In my understanding this would be refering to "Real time"
"existential time", time as it is , NON-EXISTANT
time without the STRUCTURE not as a human INVENTION,
eternal ,not of the outer world. The Inner world has no time.
We can look at time as: calendar time, physical time and psychological/emotional/subjective time. They are all related. The Gregorian calendar for example, is an example of calendar time, and it's both nasty and good imo. Psychological time is another interesting form of time, where sometimes one minute can seem like a long time, while in other situations several hours can feel like no time at all has passed. Physical time is the exact movement of atoms etc.

One important thing about the future: the future cannot fully be predicted in the now.
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Ive often wondered if time is only an illusion how come its affected by the physical world. As you know if you synchronize 2 clocks and put one in a plane and fly it round at high speed when compared the clocks no longer match.
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That's right, Time is an illusion, as David icke have said, Einstein, the Mystic Osho, the Mayas,Steven Hawkins, IT DOES NOT EXIST. But we NEED Cronological time, calendar time, or the society would fall apart. But it doesn't mean that clock time exists, it is an INVENTION, we need to use. We feel more comfortable since clock time cronological has been used for centuries,
When one meditates, time(our time in the mind) we realize time has never been there.

then the division of CRONOLOGICAL TIME(clock time, calendar)
Psychological time (how one feels time, faster or slower)
and existential time, real time ,which is neither of the above

clocks and calendars, are kits to help us organize ourselves,
in this man-made creation of , our cronological time, meant to be practical for us, but after all it is a fantasy.
A fantasy that gives us some kinf of "false security", some order in our lives.
but no meaning.

Before the Gregorian calendar ,there was the calendar of the Mayas in Mexico, where all days were different, had different names, had a different energy, but that was abolished for what we have now, a utiliarian way, so we are slaves of our clock, when the handles of the clock move to such and such a place we have to be doing such and such a thing.

The Meaning in our lives can not be found in the invention of time,
In different places, different things everything is happening with oneness,
no division.

We want to put numbers to everything, but human beings are meaning,
we have been told that time is money(utilitarian)
but it can be said that time is art (psychological)
the art of living (Real, which does not exist)
we didn't have a calendar and a watch when we were born ,did we?
the matrix gave it to us. We had to buy one.

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