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Old 09-10-2008, 03:39 PM   #1
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i have made this thread for parents who wish to prepare and dont know what to do .
below are some products listed for people who are wanting to prepare for bad times in the house using equipment with a minimum cost .
there are 3 lists .

1 ) list one is the item list made from the most important 1st to the least important last .
2 ) list 2 relates to list 1 .
this 2nd list will highlight various ways inwhich products in list 1 can be used for multi perposes in bad times .
3 ) section 3 offers some do's and donts about basic emrgency situations .

Impotant ! remember ! i am not specialist and am only giving a general outline for you to equip your self with in future . the overall health and safety will be down to the individual . i have listed some good rules but cannot take the responsability for other peoples actions and there for remind you to research an compare knowledge .

( note; your statutory rights are not affected , always read the cover and instructions ,small working parts may be involved and batterries not included . )


list 1
1 ) 10 x ( 1 bag ) of 100 tealight candles .(= £1.99 per bag , best at asda )
2 ) 1 x out door portable fire lighter folding stove ( = £4.99 )
3 ) 1 x large flat oven tray ( = £3.99 )
4 ) 1 x wind up radio . ( costs vary from £7 to £30 , get what you pay for )
5 ) 1 x wind up torch ( £10 or less )
6 ) 1 x 1st aid kit ( costs vary from £5.99 to £50 )
7 ) 1 x water filter ( costs vary mostly in tescos /asda and super stores £10 max )
8 ) 1 x large plastic ground sheet ( costs £10 from good camping stores or get a large plastic heeting from B&Q same costs )
9 ) 1 x little bottle of water purification liquid ( iodine 280 litres csts £8.99 )
10 ) 4 x nueteralising tablets . ( each box costs £4.99 for 75 litres worth so you may ned a few to compensate for the 280 litres of iodine liquid )
11 ) 1 x porta potty . ( costs vary but the best costs £50 . tottally sealed even when emptying makes safe for transporting to empty unlike many caravan loos or porta loos on sites )

list 2
this next list gives some advice on variouse uses of these products .

item 1 )
tea light candles .
if you have a medium sized living-room did you know it only takes 15 tealight candles to heat that room ? in one hour you'll be taking off your pullovers.
yes only 15 candles . they can last up to 6 hours and can also be used for cookin too aswell as light and heating . the light and heating from these candles happens at the same time , however , we now get to the cooking .

item 2 )
out door portable fuel block caping stove
follow this carefully !
take out the fire lighter fuel blocks and keep them high up out of reach from children .
( now ? in normal out door camping or cooking on these small trays , the stove is unfolded , to which two flat side legs unfold . normally these legs would be on the ground in open air with the fuel blocks placed underneith the tray shelf .but not in this case )
in this case , as mentioned dont use fire lighter fuel blocks , put the away safely .i will now give you a step by step guide to use candles for cooking in emergency situations



item 3 .
large flat oven tray . --------------important !
how t use for cooking with tea light candles and camper stove .

step 1 .
place in a safe place in the kitchen only , good practice will have you put the large flat oven tray ( item 3 ) ontop of your cooker far away from certains , flamible materials , picture frames etc , best place is on cooker using the 4 rings on your cooker for support .

step 2 .
unfold stove and place fuel blocks away somewhere safe .

step 3
place 5 tealight candles ontop of the portable camping stove tray . on top , not benieth thecamping stove grid shelf . this gives the candles direct contact to pan or pot on top for an eficient heating tempareture .

step 4
open windows . i say this because in normal sercumstances tea light candles dont make much sooty smoke , but it will make sooty smoke as soon as the flame hits an object . the object being your pot , so yes , sootting will happen so please keep windows open . ( dont want smoke alrms going off )

step 5
lite the 5 tealight candles .

step 6
place pot or an over the candles .

1 litre of water heats in less than 6 mins .

the oven tray is used incase candles leek or food spills etc . it also helps keep the heat away from touching surfaces . its just an extra safety precaution .


item 4 )
wind up radio . always usefull fo news durin blackouts .

item 5 )
wind up torch . always usefull during black outs .

item 6 )
1st adi kit . technicly , you should always have one anyway . try to get one that has eye drops with it or buy eye drops seperatly if you have too .
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item 7 )
a normal britvic water filter should serfice . handy to get extra filters just incase as they do run out of their integraty after time .

item 8 )
large plastic ground sheet .
handy to suspend in the garden to collect rain water i needed .
this then can be used in conjuction with your filter nd then to sterilise it , boil the water.

item 9 )
little bottle of water purification liquid .
only use his method in dier emergencies only . only ! use in conjunction with

item 10 )
nueteralising tablets . again use with item 9 only in an emergency situation life or death stuff .

item 11 )
porta potty .
just incase a hard winter sets in .
these porta potties are fab . they are tottaly cieled and offer a safer way to get rid of waist with out creating a foil smell . because they are cieled , it also makes it great to transpor to a safe desposable site .
remember , a bad winter can stop all ater flow and waist flows at times .
hence, if you have one of these , your health and safety stay tops .
cleaning fluids and fragrences costs vary from £5.99 to £10.99 per bottle .
dont forget loo role !


list 3

dooos and donts !

dont ever ever leave children alone in a room fr even a minuit if you have candles on .
i cannot stress this enough .
if you need the loo , take them with you or leave an adult with them . this danger speeks for it self as we all know , children love candles and also love to play . so keep that in mind at all times .

always place each tealight candle in a sourcer or dish just incase they do leek .
i have only come across one that does in all my time but its a safety measure .
do no place candles near curtains , picture frames or other flamable materials .do not put candles on tvs , or low places where children can touch .



dont use water sterilising tablets on water for babies or young children .
it can be unhealthy as the packets or bottles do state , do not use fo long runs of time as this can harm your health .
like i said , the sterilising fluids and nuetralising tablets are an ultimate life or death last resort .
remember
they could harm baby ! i just dont know and wouldnt chance it my self .




please remember that your personal health and safety is up to you .
i have only given tips for extreme bad situations .

if any one has anything else to add to this thread by all means please do .

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Old 09-10-2008, 03:41 PM   #2
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one more thing if you can

get

2 x 5 gallon plastic water containers .= costs £5.99 each meees thinks .

to cellect rain water .

these can be used in conjunction with te gound sheet .

where possible , place ground sheet on 4 or more posts in the air .
place a weight on one side of the ground sheet to create a dip in the sheet so that water can flow into your water containers .

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Old 09-10-2008, 03:52 PM   #3
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foods .

off the top of my head

5 x dreid milk bottles
2 x suger
1 x large salt bottle
10 x flower for home made bread
4 x packets of quick rising yeist
5 x large bags of musli or oats
5 x large packes of rice
10 x dried packets of dried fruits . raisins , apricots , bannannas etc.

many noodle packets .

and as much cheap last resort tinned foods as poss .

especially tinned
tuna
steack
ravioli
fruits
beans
potatoes
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tins are not the best foods but these tins can keep for many years and offer some goodness in bad times if times get really tight .

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Old 09-10-2008, 04:10 PM   #4
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Hi Tracker many thanks for the info..I am getting all my stuff in at the weekend..

Do you think Whey protein with powdered milk (or can be used with water) is a good idea as a large tub (908g) lasts ages and is good for protein etc and it tastes really good normally on special offer at Holland and Barrett or simlar places??

Also I am stocking up with soup broth (app 50p bag) stock cubes.. add whatever else you can to it (I also have a string of onions in shed) with the bread will be a good basic meal??
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Hi Tracker many thanks for the info..I am getting all my stuff in at the weekend..

Do you think Whey protein with powdered milk (or can be used with water) is a good idea as a large tub (908g) lasts ages and is good for protein etc and it tastes really good normally on special offer at Holland and Barrett or simlar places??

Also I am stocking up with soup broth (app 50p bag) stock cubes.. add whatever else you can to it (I also have a string of onions in shed) with the bread will be a good basic meal??
im not sure because ive never heard of it . but hay , i might just look into it my self .
sounds like a good deal let alone a good idea .i must admit , im unsure and a bit weary about anything that has added vitamins , but if its natural dreid stuffs it sounds brilliant .
unfortunatly , im not a specialist in this area but had to do something because many parents out there will end up in fear and what worse fear is there than the fear for the well being of siblings ?

this might not save us for ever but it will ease the change in times to come .
hopefully , it will also ease away the stess a bit too .

a small bit of reasurance in a tactical method i call prudent planning .
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Old 09-10-2008, 09:05 PM   #6
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Great thread!

whey and other processed protein powders can/do unfortunately contain MSG even when supplied plain (its created during processing), so youd have to weigh up the risk/benefits of that. This uk shop carries a multitude of powder types if you want to go that route; http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powd...otein-powders/ hemp protein might be ok, contam wise, *2 cost & /2 strength, but you get many other nutrients besides just protein.

This stockpiling thing is difficult for me cos im obsessive about avoiding contaminants/additives and so rarely eat tinned food at all (bispenol A) unless its an emergency. I like dried fruit but you have to be careful with organic cos it hides mold (plums are the worst culprits ime)- sorting, further dehydration, repacking & periodic inspection would hopefully prevent that.

Im stashing 400g tins of salmon (80p bigger sainsburys), provides some good protein & fats. I dont have any tinned fruits/vegetables yet - do they retain their nutritional value?

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Old 09-10-2008, 09:07 PM   #7
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Thankyou for the lists Tracker.
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Old 09-10-2008, 10:55 PM   #8
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i ave no idea about how long the goodness stays in tinned fruits and i dont blame you being cautious about it .
i too dislike tinned foods.

so i make varieties .
ravioli
sausages and beans
beans
spagetti
definatly fih and lots and lots of it .
steak
1 or 2 soups
defnatly some lentils.
pasta
stuffs .

it varies so that diet does not become dependant .
lots of oat meals .
dried milk ( just in case ) skimmed .

we can only do whats manigable but atleast it may help .

those tealight candles are fab . dont forget they can blacken the bottom of pots hence open the windows .
but free standing do offer good light and heat .just remember not to keep many canles in a closed off room because of - meees thinks carbon manoxide .

its better than nothing !

imagine if all those people just out isde london during that flood last year if they had some of those basics . it may not have been so hard .

chocolate is also a good energy provider .

i am currently hoping soon to get a free standing water filter which obviously costs £ but that maybe far away for now .

as we all know , christmas isnt too far away . doh ! kids are demanding arent they ?


thanks every one for saying thanks. your welcome .

wazaaap made a good survival list thread . that has plenty on there .

this was just basics for couples and parents just too ease the presure as i am a parent too and know this very much .

some asda packs are £1.99 for 200 candles .
thats 2000 candles .
even 10 per day would see a family through for atleast te best part of half a year and thats under estimate .
mind you it is bare minimum .
thats £10 for 2000 candles .

ok i fess up .
i also have a gas camping stove and tilly lamp + 5 big gas containers .
the gas stove costs £7.99 .
the gas tilly lamp costs £14.99
the gas canisters cost £5 each .



one large double ringed gas butain or ( the other one ) portable cooke with grill .this was £40 and the large pink gas bottle was £45.

2 parafin tilly lamps / no oil yet .got those at a boot fare like alot of my stuff .

a few things here and there .

a dog is good security and may help but also takes resorses .
( but in hard times ? shep was a good old boy , if you get my drift now eat up .yes shep went to a good home lol )



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I have all of that as standard anyway.

There is one thing that is often overlooked but is easy to carry,nutritious,hot,handy food additive, moral booster,has seen us through 2 world wars and has made many a soldier warm on a cold night:


























BOVRIL

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Great thread!

whey and other processed protein powders can/do unfortunately contain MSG even when supplied plain (its created during processing), so youd have to weigh up the risk/benefits of that. This uk shop carries a multitude of powder types if you want to go that route; http://www.myprotein.co.uk/bulk-powd...otein-powders/ hemp protein might be ok, contam wise, *2 cost & /2 strength, but you get many other nutrients besides just protein.

This stockpiling thing is difficult for me cos im obsessive about avoiding contaminants/additives and so rarely eat tinned food at all (bispenol A) unless its an emergency. I like dried fruit but you have to be careful with organic cos it hides mold (plums are the worst culprits ime)- sorting, further dehydration, repacking & periodic inspection would hopefully prevent that.

Im stashing 400g tins of salmon (80p bigger sainsburys), provides some good protein & fats. I dont have any tinned fruits/vegetables yet - do they retain their nutritional value?

Thanks psych641 I have checked the label for MSG and it does not state it but I know powdered milk does...anyway decided against it... I was not so aware of the dangers of MSG as I was of Aspartame ..just checked my fav pies (Pukka Pies) that I have been eating for years and contain (MSG) AAAggghhhh Is nothing sacred!!!!

We prob need a list of types that would be good for keeping that are not 'contaminated'....

Do tinned foods retain nutritional value..not sure who the research was designed for though?

From a nutritional standpoint, fruits and vegetables are low in calories and fat, and are important dietary sources of vitamins (particularly vitamins A and C and folic acid), minerals (potassium, in particular) and fiber. They contain no cholesterol and can contribute substantially to fiber intake, a food component almost always low in American diets. Conventional wisdom has said fresh produce always is better than processed. Our findings in this (as well as our 1995) study show canned fruits and vegetables generally stack up very well against fresh. Although there is some loss of vitamin C content during heat processing, canning usually results in stable levels of most essential nutrients (8). The amount of a vitamin or mineral or fiber in canned food remains the same, even after one to two years of storage.

http://nutrican.fshn.uiuc.edu/findings.html
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I have all of that as standard anyway.

There is one thing that is often overlooked but is easy to carry,nutritious,hot,handy food additive, moral booster,has seen us through 2 world wars and has made many a soldier warm on a cold night:


























BOVRIL
oh dear !
i forgot bovril .
got marmite , but bovril ?

i should never have forgotten .
it also makes a good food stock for meaty tastes .

well done for that one .

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Thanks psych641 I have checked the label for MSG and it does not state it but I know powdered milk does...anyway decided against it... I was not so aware of the dangers of MSG as I was of Aspartame ..just checked my fav pies (Pukka Pies) that I have been eating for years and contain (MSG) AAAggghhhh Is nothing sacred!!!!

We prob need a list of types that would be good for keeping that are not 'contaminated'....
Its getting rare to see MSG labelled these days, instead its hidden: http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hiddensources.html

Its sometimes hard to guess how badly contaminated anything is though - whether its just a trace you could overlook or a load sneaked in there on purpose - you have to wonder when you have something acidic like fruit juice, then they stick extra citric acid in there - why?

BOVRIL - would almost certainly contain tons of the stuff. Ive seen MSG content as high as 1.75% suggested for MARMITE, and BOVRIL has been reformulated to be closer to marmite (it now contains yeast extract(!) & no meat).

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Do tinned foods retain nutritional value..not sure who the research was designed for though?

http://nutrican.fshn.uiuc.edu/findings.html
looks good, ill study this carefully later.

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Its getting rare to see MSG labelled these days, instead its hidden: http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hiddensources.html

Its sometimes hard to guess how badly contaminated anything is though - whether its just a trace you could overlook or a load sneaked in there on purpose - you have to wonder when you have something acidic like fruit juice, then they stick extra citric acid in there - why?

BOVRIL - would almost certainly contain tons of the stuff. Ive seen MSG content as high as 1.75% suggested for MARMITE, and BOVRIL has been reformulated to be closer to marmite (it now contains yeast extract(!) & no meat).



looks good, ill study this carefully later.

They put the meat back in last year.
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They put the meat back in last year.
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http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hiddensources.html - 'natural beef flavouring' appears in the 'often contains or creates MSG' list. Id also question wonder whether all the yeast extract has been removed.

Your choice, theres value in something that gives you a morale boost even if its not the most healthy thing, but personally id be drawing a line there.
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Dry beans and lentils are a must. Don't forget cooking oil, lasts forever.
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[QUOTE=psych641;552346]http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hiddensources.html - 'natural beef flavouring' appears in the 'often contains or creates MSG' list. Id also question wonder whether all the yeast extract has been removed.

Your choice, theres value in something that gives you a morale boost even if its not the most healthy thing, but personally id be drawing a line there.[/QUOTE

Bovril - 43% beef stock; although when I'm cold,hungry and wet,the last thing I'll be worrying about is MSG. By that point,we would of left such petty concerns behind.
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doesnt it make the same thing as an oxo cube and water ??

my nan always said it was the same thing
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LED lights.

i mean those little self-contained battery-powered discs that you stick onto the wall for power outages. (I cant find an image atm)

someone just posted this on the 'situation in the UK' thread, its a blog from someone who lived through the recent collapse in argentina. http://www.ferfal.blogspot.com/

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LED lights.

i mean those little self-contained battery-powered discs that you stick onto the wall for power outages. (I cant find an image atm)

someone just posted this on the 'situation in the UK' thread, its a blog from someone who lived through the recent collapse in argentina. http://www.ferfal.blogspot.com/

thats an excellent idea there and i tell you why .

i have 4 of them placed around my house at strategic points incase of electrical outages or my pay as i go runs out .

i never mentioned them because ? erm ?

well as stated on the opening page it was just a basic list but thats what i like about threads . people come on with ideas that improves them .

i have one light in the hall way up stairs between bedrooms , near the stairs . all people in the house know where it is .
just above the upstairs light switch . this lights up the top hallway and part of the stairs . ( good tactic )

2nd ) is placed half way down the stairs on the cieling , thus lighting up the rest of the stairs and the bottom hallway .

there is then on placed inside the power cupboard where all the home survival kit and electric keys are .

we also have on in the kitchen .

if we are in the living room and there is a blackout . the one in the hallway half way down the stairs is right there . so is the power cupboard .

they are brilliant tools and make well for handy situations .
they have helped more than once already .

psych . well done .
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