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Old 17-09-2008, 09:00 AM   #1
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Im going to use the first post for the list so far, to save reading all the way through:

The Grab and Run Solution:

2X) bumbags = £5,99 each.
2X) water purification tablet bottles , each purifies 75 litres of water .=£5.99
1X) compass £5,99
1X) pen and paper wrapped in sealable bag =£3
1X) 1st aid kit ( small )
1x) triangle bandages =£5
1X) knife varies , about a good £5 to £10
1X) water proof matches ( make them your self or bye them = £3,99
1X) fire flints £5 - (Reccomended Firesteel)
1X) silver water proof coats ( thin and small , in packets ) can cost £2,99 each , one for each member of family
1X) germaline tube= £1,99
1X) fire lighter fuel cells for out door fires =£2,99 small packet
1X) mini map of britain book =£5,99
1X) little gem book called food for free =£4,99 =100 food types , preparing , cooking etc from nature very good value for money .
1x) para cord £5,99 = for securing a knife to a long stick forhunting and variouse other means

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Also any websites, both in the UK and the US would be good.
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Old 17-09-2008, 09:14 AM   #3
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1st of all

( thank you wazaap , you know why )

i will start with a basic list that can be slowly gathered over the next few weeks to months for the home

not in theevent of a nuke although it could help .

this 1st list will be drawn up for economic hardships and ecological desasters etc , electrical black outs and power losses etc , these tiems can be bought week by week and i will do my best to gve an estimated cost next to each item .


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1st of all

( thank you wazaaap , you know why )

i will start with a basic list that can be slowly gathered over the next few weeks to months for the home

not in the event of a nuke although it could help .

this 1st list will be drawn up for economic hardships and ecological disasters etc , electrical black outs and power losses etc , these items can be bought week by week and i will do my best to give an estimated cost next to each item .





100 ) tea lite candles = £1,99. try to get at least ten packets .

5 )water purifying tablet bottles .= £4.99 each

5 )times water distilling tablets to counter act the taste of water purifying tablets .

1 )small (usually black ) fire lighter camping stove , this will become relevant later .

1 )wind up radio . costs vary from £7,99 to £30 . the best is 30 coz its also better cubings , heavy duty and also solar .

1 )times wind up Tilly lamp torch . which has an alarm and a mobile charge option costs about £20

1X )big heavy survival knife .costs vary , go to boot fairs , the best are flat mettle with rope around the top .that way can be used as make shift tin opener and hunters spear by using rope to secure knife to a straight stick .

1X) gas stove top comes separate for gas canister =£7.99

1x) gas Tilly lamp = £14.99
both fit the gas canisters.aso these gas canisters do come in about 4 sizes .
get as many as possible .
small ones cost£4.99 , larger ones cost £5.99 and so on , one big big one can cost £50 . the choices are yours .

1X ) oil based Tilly lamp mostly paraffin ( cost at boo fairs ) £5.

2 x ) 5 gallon Gerry cans for paraffin ( for back up )

2X) 5 gallon ( white plastic ) water containers cost= £5 to £10 depending on where you get them

save as many 2 litre plastic bottles from lemonade , coke , cherry aid and save every bottle for water containers .

1X) portable loo just in case ? it does cost £45 but is totally secured and does not leave pongs .
1X) portable loo cleaner and flush fluids .prises vary from £5 to £10.

? X ) sleeping bags in case heating goes . cost £15 to £35 each depending again where you get them .

5 x) big salt packets or bottles for mouth ulcers , or other cleansing things in mouths or preserving things .in hard times salt is a good thing .

5or 10 packets of yeast .
flower , keep in bags , and then put in sealed plastic bags with as much air out as possible .

1x packet of 2 camping tin openers .

many sealable plastic bags costs vary from £2,99 to £4,99







note;

during an electrical blackout your central heating still may not work , as did mine fail during on 2 years ago .

i found during that time , that tea light candles can last up to 6hours

i put 14 tea light candles in my front room one night and suddenly realised it was so warm we all had to take off our jumpers , so tea light candles can be used for heating aswell as light .note , in exteme cold , usin candles for heat , plase leave rrom also ventilated as bad affects of crbon monoxide can slowly build up .

since they last so long , i have also noticed they serve 3 good things .
heating
light
cooking .

how do you cook with tea light candles ?
simple , now you know why i said get one of those fire lighter small make shift camping stoves for out doors .

a large flat baking tray for a base .
take out the fire lighter ( paraffin based ) cubes or circle things , do not light them in a house . remove them and turn upside down the fire stove .
put in the tea light candles , not undernieth the stove , but on top of the small shelf , thus placing them directly undernieth a pan etc . d not put them underneith the stove where the normal parrafin based cubes would go . this tactic is different from using the cubes etc , so turn the stove upside down nd place candls on the stove , not undernieth it .
ok it will blacken your pan or mes tin , butit does work ad very quickly too .
the stove can take 5 candles at any one time .

place a source pan of 1 litre water and see how 5 tea light candles can heat 1 litre of water in less than 6 mins .

after using the tea light candles they can be the put back on the side shelves or window etc for light .
remember , do not blow them out once they are lit up , so extreme care must be taken when moving them for cooking andbanc again for light . don't forget , when you have lit some up for lighting , they can be used for cooking , and still used for light afterwards .
these tea light candles are brilliant . i also take them on camping as the wax can be used for water proofing matches , or for fuel if used correctly .

the gas stoves are for backup purposes , as are the Tilly lamps that us paraffin .

please note ;
if you have children in the home , do not leave them in a room with candles on their own and keep all candies far away from wall paper , curtains , and other flammable materials .

i will make more on this thread about this post .

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Old 17-09-2008, 09:45 AM   #5
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Brilliant advice, can you recommend places to buy this stuff?
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Old 17-09-2008, 09:57 AM   #6
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Brilliant advice, can you recommend places to buy this stuff?

yes , but you might wish to read the list again i have updated it .

anyway good places to get this stuff .

tea light candles , best prises funny enough is asda ????????????????

but you can get these equipments , small things from markets and boot fairs .
remember
gtting gas lighters 10 for £2 or so and a couple of gas canisters cat hurt .

also i have found that a clipper lighter with 2 petrol fuel tins for back up also helps just in case . the clippers are good for bad whether but you can bye storm proof lighters too that run off gas , you know ? they look like mini flame throwers , good little tings too , very good in bad storms adhigh winds .

so were was I ?

oh yes places to get these things .


best campting equipment like those i have meantioned can be gotten from most
millets ( but expensive )
camping shops
mountain shops
army and navi

other things like fire lighters
tea light candles
matches ( which you can water proof your self )
plastic bottles
Gerry cans
and some camping equipment can be bought on markets and boot fairs.

portable loos
5 gallon water containers
knives
portale out door stoves
sleeping bags
and other various stuffs can be got in the shops above .
sometimes even halfords do a good range of camping stuff .
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Great stuff, what about online, do you know of any good web-sites?
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Old 17-09-2008, 10:07 AM   #8
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I saw a tool the other day "firesteel" have you seen them? what is your opinion of something like that?
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yes , but you might wish to read the list again i have updated it .

anyway good places to get this stuff .

tea light candles , best prises funny enough is asda ????????????????

but you can get these equipments , small things from markets and boot fairs .
remember
gtting gas lighters 10 for £2 or so and a couple of gas canisters cat hurt .

also i have found that a clipper lighter with 2 petrol fuel tins for back up also helps just in case . the clippers are good for bad whether but you can bye storm proof lighters too that run off gas , you know ? they look like mini flame throwers , good little tings too , very good in bad storms adhigh winds .

so were was I ?

oh yes places to get these things .


best campting equipment like those i have meantioned can be gotten from most
millets ( but expensive )
camping shops
mountain shops
army and navi

other things like fire lighters
tea light candles
matches ( which you can water proof your self )
plastic bottles
Gerry cans
and some camping equipment can be bought on markets and boot fairs.

portable loos
5 gallon water containers
knives
portale out door stoves
sleeping bags
and other various stuffs can be got in the shops above .
sometimes even halfords do a good range of camping stuff .
ive bought 1000 tealigh candles , the gas stoves are for cooking ( naturally ) but this eases up using tea lightcandles .

also one more thing

a petrol based camping stove ( real real good things they are ) can be bought from any good fishing shop .
they run on an expensive fuel but also run on unleaded pertrol too .

they are expensive andcost £45 to £50 , but the fuel costs so littl for what it ca do and how mush itcan cook .
the specially made fuel can cost £5 pe litre as where unleaded costs far less as we both know per litre.

i use other types of cooking amenities for the ability of flexability .

so i have 1000 tealight candles .
gas stoves
outdoor cooking stoves too
including wind up tilly lamps
iol lamps
wind up torches
and so much more including the poter loo.

you never know , i think its best to slowly get this stuff bit by bit , not only o tat others dont know what your doing ,but it eases up on the old pocket too if you know what i mean.
i took 3 to 5 years to get all my stuff , but it can take lss if your really serious about it .

imagine how many families wouldnt have been so stranded in london when the floods hit if they had of prepared like this ?
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fire steel ?

are they those flint like gadgets ?
i have 3 .

1 in the house

one in my grab and run bag

one in my camping gear.

fire steel ? are they those flint sticks with a scraper ?
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fire steel ?

are they those flint like gadgets ?
i have 3 .

1 in the house

one in my grab and run bag

one in my camping gear.

fire steel ? are they those flint sticks with a scraper ?
http://www.firesteel.co.uk/
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great thread guys, loads of good advice. cheers
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fire steel ?

are they those flint like gadgets ?
i have 3 .

1 in the house

one in my grab and run bag

one in my camping gear.

fire steel ? are they those flint sticks with a scraper ?
You mention house, grab and run bag and camping gear, maybe it would be good to list what you have in these.
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wow !

ive never seen them , but now im going to get a couple , if i know where to that is .

i shall look about and ask in the camping shops etc .

thanks for that wazaaap , good gear in my eyes .
thankyou for that hint , it might help some time , thanks alot , much better than striking flint sticks , much easier and probarly a better chance of lighting a fire in bad weather.

cheers wazaaap.
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wow !

ive never seen them , but now im going to get a couple , if i know where to that is .

i shall look about and ask in the camping shops etc .

thanks for that wazaaap , good gear in my eyes .
thankyou for that hint , it might help some time , thanks alot , much better than striking flint sticks , much easier and probarly a better chance of lighting a fire in bad weather.

cheers wazaaap.
i have a couple of them, the more expensive the better, they have a life age think it is like 1million strokes if you get a good one :-)

thats allot of fire, they light first time too. EVEN UNDER WATER! i was amazed - done it in the bath lol.


Im on this site at the moment, www.surplusandadventure.com - im thinking about stocking up - money isn't the problem for me i just want the best gear and the least hastle.
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right ok then give me a while to gather my survival head and i will tell you whats in them .

grab and run bag= for such an extreme event , that no preperation for leaving , like packing clothes etc can be obtained in any cercumstances axcept = grab and run . the ultimate smallest esentials .

2 home safety and security kit = you have that already.

3 the ultimate ( large ) out door kit , probarbly takes 2 poeple to carry .
sheared loads etc , this eases up the stress of wieght being carried by one person .
mind you , if you had time to get it and put it in a car , hopefully minumal walking is needed , but that changes due to curcumstances i suppose .

so i will make 3 lists each seperate from each other .

please allow a little while .
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3 the ultimate ( large ) out door kit , probarbly takes 2 poeple to carry .
sheared loads etc , this eases up the stress of wieght being carried by one person .
mind you , if you had time to get it and put it in a car , hopefully minumal walking is needed , but that changes due to curcumstances i suppose .
Fuck waiting for cars and crap - be fit - i run over 10 miles a day, think how much i can cycle :-)

Everyone will drive and people who take motor bikes will be shot and the bike stolen - People on push bikes however will be branded mad.

I like being mad - it is the opposite of Sheeple "normal" i think this is the best way to be :-)
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Old 17-09-2008, 10:36 AM   #18
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excellent site wazaaap . brilliant . also ? do you know wherei ca get a fire stick ? would love to get a couple my self .

GRAB AND RUN BAGS !

this is a combination of two bumbags tied together so that ease of grabbing and running can be achieved in a minimum time with out having to think "have you forgotten something".

bumbags = £5,99 each.
2x) water purification tablet bottles , each purifies 75 litres of water .=£5.99
1X) compass £5,99
1X) pen and paper wrapped in sealable bag =£3
1x) 1st aid kit ( small ) also bye one triangle bandages =£5
1X) knife varies , about a good £5 to £10
1X) water proof matches ( make them your self or bye them = £3,99
1X) fire flints £5
1X) ? silver water proof coats ( thin and small , in packets ) can cost £2,99 each , one for each member of family
1X)germaline tube= £1,99
1X)fire lighter fuel cells for out door fires =£2,99 small packet
1X) mini map of britain book =£5,99
1X0 little gem book called food for free =£4,99 =100 food types , preparing , cooking etc from nature very good value for money .
1x) para cord £5,99 = for securing a knife to a long stick forhunting and variouse other means .

all this should fit into 2 bumbags .
i managed it all in one but it was a good one .

however , i gave that to a freind of mine , so i am building another , andmaybe i might split it into 2 bumbags but tie them together .
in extreme bad situations , the reason why 2 is beter i because of one person gest robbed
has an accident ,
gets lost
or is taken away for what ever reason , the other adult has at least some equipment .
its called , prudent planning .

also ? from a distance , it doesnt look as thoug you have much on you thus making you less of a target for theives etc .

but thats my head on things here .
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wazaaap ?
well done there on the sheeple and cars thing .

too true !

here is a comment i made on another thread . unfortunatly i havehad to cut and paste it , i hope the mods dont min as it actually suits this tread more than any othe and is very relevent to what you said , any way here goes .





here is just one hint if you live near a city , i have based this on London but it acounts for all cities .
this is just one small part .

do you read survival books ?
have you got camping equipment just in case ?
fire making equipment etc ?

if so that's good .
these worries had me worried a long time ago , so to help me forget it , i got all the equipment concerned , and put it in my garage for keeps sake , just in case .
now i don't worry about it at all because i have a minimum to allow for the "chance" to survive in bad times . so most worries have gone completely .


practical advice is realistic , some times harsh on appearance , so please do not allow this post of mine to worry you .

1stly.
your understanding of your situation is top grade if you live in a city , as you are realistic in the knowing that even if a small chemical bomb went off in London ,they would probably stop all travel in and out of the city .
this is bad for those who have not been affected by a dirty or chemical bomb because it can leave them in danger of getting killed by a virus or something like that .
whilst the argument of "spreading" an infection or disease goes with out question , it isn't any use to some one who has not been infected and is made by law to stay in a danger zone .
SO ?

1A)
make preplanned escape routes , the quickest way out of London , ( any city or very large town ) as roads and other ways can get blocked quickly .
during an escape plan other alternative routes should be considered as make safe seconds up .
a radio and constant listening to traffic on radios will help you , maybe . always know alternative routes , that do not have just one way traffic , this can help you turn around and double back to an alternative route if needed .

1B)
try to get to know others on the net who could help in times like that ,
good friends can really be a blessing in times like that .

1C)
keep up with recent events on wars etc , political strife and foreign countries and their reactions .
a nuke probably will not just drop out of the sky just like that .
this process would more than likely be a gradual process that many of us here or those in the "know" would see coming .
this would you for time of preparation of leaving London .

1D).
DO NOT look for nuke bunkers and anti nuke buildings in times like those .
why ?
because the M,O,D and army will already have them sites on their own agendas , and will take control of them .
the civilians usually end up as clean up slaves in times like that whilst a soldier probably wouldn't think twice if he was told to shoot you because you question some of their authority and protocols .

tin mines / copper mines / various other sites that can sand against nuke fall out with out big bro running the show ca be a better place for surviving although having a few friends coupling up in those places with you will help.
this is because sheeple maybe thick barock animals , but they too will soon enough slot your throat for a tin of beans , the further your safe haven from cities , and being out of site , the better . tin and copper mines can also shield the affects of sudden EMP bursts made from nukes that ca totally trash radios etc .
not only that , hardly anyone thinks of these places , which will keep you out of site too .
people cought up in the out doors stand a better chance of being robbed or killed in a bad situation like this .
also the army may haveshoot to kill orders , so bein out andaway rom them might pay off too .

1E)
prepare for not smoking , ( if you are a smoker )as siggs will be rare , and other things like vit C / d etc tabs may help during bad times .



one thing found that was a good little book was

"food for free"
by --The little Gem book .
costs £4.99 and shows how nature here in Britain can offer over 1000 food types .
it shows , harvest times , picking times , cooking hints and storage .
absolutely brilliant read up .

also self defence is a good start .

other wise



and unlike so many "jump in head 1st" niave people , i am telling you NOT to tell every one this make safe plan like so many numpties would .
not because i dont like helping others , but because if every on knew this , the chaos would be far greater , and then all raods would be blocked , the MOD and army would step up their security , and no one will live if that was the case .


the army and MOD and security , base their tactics around what others usually know or are capable of , as long as these departments think that most sheeple will try obvious routes and obvious things , they will only step up their tactics on that basis , but that doesnt mean they will not think of everything , it just means that if only one or two can get away , they may hardly not place massive resorses on such a thing .

think about it for a while and get back to this thread and tell me if you want more on this subject .

also , being spiritual and relaxed will also help you, far more than many think , which is why my tactics to help you prepare thus stop the worry was mypoint . being spiritual will help you so much too!


however the truth is

failing to prepare is the same as preparing to fail .
its a far better thing to have something and not need it , rather than need it and not have it .
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Firesteels available cheap enough on Ebay

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_t...nkw=fire+steel

Also recommend one of these knives, cheap but very good for the money.

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