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Old 06-01-2015, 03:25 AM   #1
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China: not only churches but also crosses razed to the ground
Dec 25, 2014: ... worshippers in Wenzhou, like many Christians in the eastern Chinese province of Zhejiang, will worship this Christmas under a cross-less roof. Provincial authorities have toppled crosses from more than 400 churches, and even razed some worship halls in a province-wide crackdown on building code violations.
Many Christians say their faith has been singled out because authorities, wary of its rapid growth, are seeking to curb its spread in a campaign that has targeted China's most thriving Christian communities.
Estimates for the number of Christians in China range from the conservative official figure of 23 million to as many as 100 million by independent scholars, raising the possibility that Christians may rival in size the 85 million members of the ruling Communist Party.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...stmas-27821749

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29 Apr 2014
Sanjiang church in Wenzhou, a wealthy coastal city in Zhejiang province with one of China's largest Christian populations
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-is-razed.html
http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...urch/37093.htm

Chinese police remove church's cross amid apparent crackdown on religion
July 16, 2014: A man stands near the razed remains of a Catholic church in a village in Pingyang county of Wenzhou
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07...cmp=latestnews

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Old 06-01-2015, 07:20 AM   #2
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Them dam pagan crosses should all be destroyed.
All Roman executions were done on a cross that looked like X

So any Christian religious portrayal that has the cross more like a t is an misrepresentation of events and is pagan at best or satanic at worst.

Trust descendants of Confucius to keep these false images of jesus from our view.

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Old 06-01-2015, 08:16 AM   #3
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All Roman executions were done on a cross that looked like X
Do you have any links to back up that statement?

I'm in two minds about these destructions. I would love to see christianity and all it's symbols wiped from the face of the earth, but it really should come about by the christians themselves seeing that it was all an evil lie, and taking the required action themselves.
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Old 06-01-2015, 08:22 AM   #4
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Good morning free spirits

It is sad if Christians are being persecuted, however,... from my experience Christians like to play the victim, so would have to question whether this story is true. I would like to hear Chinese opinion on this.

The Chinese have their own spirituality and it is very ancient and promotes peace.

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Old 06-01-2015, 11:28 AM   #5
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And All roman crucifixions were done with the person hanging upside down.
The process was to last up to 3 days with the breaking of legs and arms to increase pain.
Unless it was done on a Friday and everyone wanted the sabbath off then they took a spear and would puncture the ribcage bringing and early death so the body could be taken by relatives and disposed of before 6pm on the Friday as the Sabbath actually starts at 6pm on the Friday evening

Truth is stranger than fiction.
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Old 06-01-2015, 12:20 PM   #6
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China sees Christianity as a threat to communism, simples.
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Old 06-01-2015, 12:39 PM   #7
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I'm just glad I don't live in a country that razes churches...no room for God in communism consumerism...
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Old 06-01-2015, 04:23 PM   #8
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Jesus never went to church if ever he lived on earth. The Latin cross is just propaganda. I do not imagine that some heavenly being will throw thunderbolts at the Red Chinese for these actions.

It is unfortunate that force was used by the Red Chinese. They have not yet burned at the stake or confiscated property as Christians have historically done to others.
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Good! Roman voodoo bullshit masquerading as a religion.
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Old 06-01-2015, 05:58 PM   #10
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Hi, please check out a TW'er's perspective on religion's historical place in China here. I took the opportunity to shed light on ppl's relationships with various belief systems there throughout the ages.
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Old 06-01-2015, 06:09 PM   #11
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^Well you don't find this in TW that's for sure and from what I've observed they've become a truer democracy than many older democracies. In SK as well Christians are the biggest religious group and as someone already said, nothing is allowed to grow and threaten the party in China.
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Old 06-01-2015, 06:16 PM   #12
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China: not only churches but also crosses razed to the ground
Dec 25, 2014: ... worshippers in Wenzhou, like many Christians in the eastern Chinese province of Zhejiang, will worship this Christmas under a cross-less roof. Provincial authorities have toppled crosses from more than 400 churches, and even razed some worship halls in a province-wide crackdown on building code violations.
Many Christians say their faith has been singled out because authorities, wary of its rapid growth, are seeking to curb its spread in a campaign that has targeted China's most thriving Christian communities.
Estimates for the number of Christians in China range from the conservative official figure of 23 million to as many as 100 million by independent scholars, raising the possibility that Christians may rival in size the 85 million members of the ruling Communist Party.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...stmas-27821749

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29 Apr 2014
Sanjiang church in Wenzhou, a wealthy coastal city in Zhejiang province with one of China's largest Christian populations
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-is-razed.html
http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...urch/37093.htm

Chinese police remove church's cross amid apparent crackdown on religion
July 16, 2014: A man stands near the razed remains of a Catholic church in a village in Pingyang county of Wenzhou
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07...cmp=latestnews

BASICS
"Pope Francis" and ALL "cardinals" vs "red China" leadership: main difference is who has main and secondary roles in agendas "razing churches to the ground" and "Global Slavery"
http://illuminati-agenda.blogspot.co...l-slavery.html
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Old 06-01-2015, 06:41 PM   #13
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^Well you don't find this in TW that's for sure and from what I've observed they've become a truer democracy than many older democracies. In SK as well Christians are the biggest religious group and as someone already said, nothing is allowed to grow and threaten the party in China.
SK is interesting but I'm guessing they didn't have a 19th century backlash against missionaries like they did in parts of China (but lets not forget the Hakka who fell ill then woke up one day to proclaim himself son of Jesus and took over a huge chunk of southern China with his ten million strong Christian army). According to Douglas Dietrich Korea was first invaded by US marines and the king held up and threatened with overthrow unless he was with them and not against them. Father Bush had on a few occasions accepted campaign contributions from a homophobic SK church with its overseas headquarter in DC which he attempted to distance himself from once he made presidency. The war in Vietnam was between "Buddhists" and "Catholics" who were also respectively and coincidentally the illiterate masses and the Viet elites. The true native religion in Japan isn't Zen Buddhism but Shintoism, which is about worhsipping fallen samurais, including those martyred during WW2. Every time a Japanese MP/PM goes to a shrine China issues threatening statements and mobs gather on Chinese streets in nationalistic fervor.

Etc etc etc etc....
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As far as I'm aware, China has, at least in modern times, taken the view that superstition is a very much negative and idiotic thing. As for one's religion, it should be a personal thing, and not something that should be paraded in public.

Totally applauded the Chinese government's pronouncement the other day that Chinese people should shun Westernised "kitsch festivals" such as "christmas".

What ever the "rights and wrongs" of that viewpoint made in the first paragraph, it's worth remembering that true christianity as supposedly taught by Jesus and the apostles, has far, far more in common with Libertarianism, Communism, Marxism, Socialism and even Humanism, than it does with free-market, cut-every-other-bugger's-throat-bar your-own capitalist liberal "democracy".

I'm just sayin'.

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Old 06-01-2015, 09:07 PM   #15
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I'm just glad I don't live in a country that razes churches...no room for God in communism consumerism...
theres no room for god in any kind of consumerism. you're american...you should know that
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China: thousands of yrs atheistic religions mated to polytheistic folk beliefs.
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What ever the "rights and wrongs" of that viewpoint made in the first paragraph, it's worth remembering that true christianity as supposedly taught by Jesus and the apostles, has far, far more in common with Libertarianism, Communism, Marxism, Socialism and even Humanism, than it does with free-market, cut-every-other-bugger's-throat-bar your-own capitalist liberal "democracy".

I'm just sayin'.
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Japanese politician Shinto photo op = China controversy = surge in approval ratings among conservative Japanese voters = China's ppl standing behind the CCP = win-win.

CCP takes down crosses = Unification Church "affiliated" Wash Times rallies conservative America against commies/"political correctness" ie. gay job rights = win for American right.

So many bi-win's it's not funny, no wonder tigers are endangered in China as some sort of cover up.
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