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Old 11-06-2008, 04:19 PM   #1
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I always remind myself of the phrase "History Repeats", which is very evident into todays climate, where we have the Bilderbergers and others meeting every year to implement their plans, although the average Bilderberger, is oblivious to the master plan, never the less they agree with policies for they feel, "right to them" and there is power in there knowing that they can control events so they go along with the major policies, not knowing who really has set the plan.

Royalty, have controlled the masses for a long time, though subjugating the peons, and we are still subjects to them.

I dug this up the other day.

I had completely forgot about the Black Nobility.

Money is power.


These people earned the title of "Black" nobility from their ruthless lack of scruple. They employed murder, rape, kidnapping, assassination, robbery, and all manner of deceit on a grand scale, brooking no opposition to attaining their objectives. These all have immense wealth. And money is power.

The most powerful of the Black Nobility families are located in Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Britain, Holland and Greece in that order. Their roots may be traced back to the Venetian oligarchs, who are of Khazar extraction, and married into these royal houses in the early part of the twelfth century.


(Following a great Khazar victory over the Arabs, the future Emperor, Constantine V, married a Khazar princess and their son became Emperor Leo IV, also known as "Leo the Khazar". The Medici popes, and Pius XII (Eugenio Pacelli) were Khazars, as is the present Pope, John Paul II. Not all Black Nobility are royal houses, and many of the royal families no longer have kingdoms. According to researcher and author Dr. John Coleman, a "Committee of 300" was established early in the eighteenth century, "although it did not take on its present form until around 1897", (when the China opium trade was legalized)

Documentary proof as to the existence of the Committee of 300 is not forthcoming, and it may be no more than a convenient phrase to describe certain key players. Socialist politician and financial adviser to the Rothschilds, Walter Rathenau, writing in the Wiener Press (24 December, 1921) said,

"Only 300 men, each of whom knows all others govern the fate of Europe. They select their successors from their own entourage. These men have the means in their hands of putting an end to the form of State which they find unreasonable."
Exactly six months after publication, Rathenau was assassinated.

Dr. Coleman’s work opens the door to further studies on named members of the ruling elite, particularly in America. Whereas the English have a long history and are very aware of their ancestry, certain families of "blue-bloods" in the United States that have historic ties with the British through blood and money.

These "noble" families are behind most if not all of the so-called pro-environmental movements that are actually intended to curb the population growth of ALL nations. Prince Philip and Prince Charles are the most visible symbols of this movement, and are a true part of this conspiracy to destroy industry and take the world back to a New Dark Age.

Most if not all the crowned and uncrowned heads of these dynasties enjoy huge incomes from ground rents. All favor Global 2000 Report to the President that’s calculated to end all industrial progress, and by famine, disease and wars, eliminate the excess population industry supports. All oppose nuclear power that can produce clean cheap electricity, the key to economic development and prosperity in the Third World. They ardently desire a return to the feudal system where they will once again be absolute rulers.

While professing Christianity, the oligarchical families, for the greater part, actually despise it in secret. Masonry provides their religious fulfillment. And without faith, they have no belief in reward or punishment and a world to come. They live for the here and now.

Many of these oligarchies are in the drug and arms trade through well-distanced intermediaries (like so many of the large banks).


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Old 11-06-2008, 04:48 PM   #2
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In 1815 the Jesuits and their Freemason allies among the crowned heads of Europe held the Congress of Vienna, whereby Swiss neutrality (already sanctioned by the Peace of Westphalia in 1648) was forever guaranteed; and no matter how many wars are provoked in which the common man has to do the fighting, the money of the Nobility in Switzerland should always be free from plunder. It’s part of Rothschild’s meticulous long-range planning, and why Switzerland exists to this day. But that doesn’t mean to say your money would be safe. Some US$280 billion p.a. in flight capital and drug money flows into the Swiss accounts of the Black Nobility.

The place of Freemasonry in the power structure of the Elites is quite evident as they carried through Adam Weishaupt’s conspiracy to avenge the Jesuits after their abolition in 1773 by short-lived Pope Clement XIV as "immoral and a menace to the Church and the Faith". By launching the French Revolution and directing Napoleon’s conquest of Catholic Europe, and by revolts against the church in Mexico and Latin America, they cut-off Vatican income.

Nathan Rothschild’s financing of Britain resulted in the defeat of Rome’s enemy Napoleon, (as well as being the source of his wealth and influence). Since Gregory XVI conferred a Papal decoration on Kalman Rothschild for loaning the Vatican five million pounds in a period of difficulty, the Rothschilds have been the fiscal agents of the Vatican. With Vatican interests at heart, the Rothschilds extended their financial and political dominion in the United States. The Vatican’s interest in the US was clearly revealed in the secret 1822 Treaty of Verona between Austria, France, Prussia, and Russia whereby the Jesuit Order pledged itself as the price of reinstatement to destroy "the works of Satan" it had established in setting-up, by revolution, representative governments such as the republics and "democracies" of France and the USA, replacing them with the only form of government approved by the church, rule by "divine right", as declared by the Vatican (Daniel 2:42-43; Revelation 17:12-13).

As Senator Robert Owen pointed out to the US Senate in 1916, the prime target to which the Vatican and the "Holy Alliance" directed the subversive and destructive activities of the Society of Jesus, is the United States, and other republics in the Western hemisphere. This plot, he claimed, was the target at which the Monroe Doctrine was directed. What the Senator did not realize is that the Monroe Doctrine protects the interests of "The City of London".

The Rothschild-Vatican cabal unsuccessfully attempted to gain control over the power of the purse in the US through the First and Second Bank of the United States. They were established under emergency powers granted to the President by the Constitution, as temporary institutions to tide the country through the periods of financial stress occasioned by the Revolutionary and 1812 Wars. But the aims of the conspirators to establish a banking monopoly were thwarted by the Constitution. Until the FED.

It is said the Black Nobility promised a neutral Germany if Soviet Russia allowed East and West Germany to reunite. And that Russia promised to see that all royal houses are restored to the rightful heirs if they decouple Europe from the American Alliance.

Imperial nobility enjoy a more elevated status than the nobilities of the German successor states and, indeed, of the Italian states. The descendants of Italian Holy Roman Empire titles have formed an Association to which all male line descendants of someone ennobled by Imperial Patent is entitled to belong. And the Principality of Liechtenstein has also claimed the ability to confirm a succession to Imperial titles, and has confirmed the right of a Spanish noble man to heir such a title for purposes of the Spanish law requiring the successor state to confirm that the claimant to a particular title is in fact the heir. Thus there is a remaining jurisdiction, even though no Imperial titles have been conferred since 1806.
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Just a quick reply, Boots.

I think you're getting really close to the root here. What else could give the cohesiveness to survive through the centuries and across a wide geographical area like family?

Have you ever looked at how many US presidents are extended family and related to European nobility?

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Just a quick reply, Boots.

I think you're getting really close to the root here. What else could give the cohesiveness to survive through the centuries and across a wide geographical area like family?

Have you ever looked at how many US presidents are extended family and related to European nobility?

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Yes, where have I heard the saying "bloodlines".

As for most of the American Presidents i'm not to sure but the bushes diffidently are, and the major corporations have their stock in there.
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n 1963, the Holy Roman Empire Association (Associazione dei Nobili del Sacro Romano Impero) was established to unite male descendants in its membership who are invested with nobility of the Holy Roman Empire. It also includes a number of honorary members.

The Black Nobility belong to the "Committee of 300" that controls the UN. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands has the power to veto the Vatican’s choice of any pope it selects. This may explain the untimely end to Pope John Paul I’s 33-day pontificate. The Prince has veto power because his family, the Habsburgs, are descended directly from the last Roman emperor. (The Habsburg Frederick III was the last emperor to be crowned in Rome; his great-grandson Charles V was the last to be crowned by a pope). This is the civil equivalent of the Pope’s claimed "apostolic succession" from Saint Peter.



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Prince Bernhard is leader of the Black Families and he also claims descent from the House of David through the Merovingian dynasty, a claim that was acknowledged to be valid by the Carolingian dynasty that supplanted them, by other monarchs and by the Roman Church of that time. Thus he can truly say that he is "related to Jesus".

Prince Bernhard’s House of Orange had its origins in France. The Habsburgs are related through marriage with the Merovingians, who are said to have descended from the Tribe of Benjamin who went into exile following war with the other eleven Tribes -- see Judges chapter 21. Exile took them to Arcadia in the central Peloponnese, Greece. Here they aligned with the Arcadian royal line and towards the advent of the Christian era, migrated up the Danube and Rhine, through marriage engendering the Sicambrian Franks -- the immediate forebears of the Merovingians, who were ultimately of Semitic origin, and descendants of King Saul.

They are identified with the Spartans, and both books of Maccabees link the Spartans with the Jews. I Maccabees 12 tells of Jonathan sending a letter to the Lacedemonians (Spartan Greeks) asking for their help, since they were brethren. The Spartans replied,

"It is found in writing, that the Lacedemonians and Jews are brethren and that they are of the stock of Abraham" (verse 21).
It is assumed by some writers that this means the Spartans were Israelites, but the Spartans were not Israelites they were Edomites descended from Bela son of Beor and brother of Baalim, and king of Edom (Genesis 36:32; I Chronicles 1:43). Edom was the son of Isaac and grandson of Abraham who sold his birthright, and bred his posterity off the Book of Life.

Early in the fifth century the Merovingians established themselves in what is now Belgium and northern France. There they adopted the Cabalistic pseudo-Christianity of the Cathars, a dualistic religion that holds there are two eternal gods, the god of Good and the god of Evil. It is revealing that this Luciferian belief is held by Masons of high degree and those who would be Masters of this world today, and who claim that Lucifer will ultimately be victorious.

Under Clovis I, who reigned from 481-511, the Franks converted to Roman Catholicism. Through him, Rome began to establish undisputed supremacy in Western Europe. In return for being the sword of Rome whereby the church would manifest her power and impose a spiritual dominion, Clovis was granted the title of "New Constantine" and to preside over a unified "Holy Roman Empire" based on the church and administered on the secular level in perpetuity by the Merovingian bloodline. Like "the sure mercies of David", this was a pact that could be modified, but not revoked, broken or betrayed.

They believe Jesus survived the cross and married Mary Magdalene who bore His son then lived in seclusion in the south of France. During the fifth century this lineage is said to have married with the royal line of the Franks engendering the Merovingian dynasty.

When in 496 the church pledged itself in perpetuity to the Merovingian bloodline it was presumably in full knowledge of their claimed identity. This would explain why Clovis was offered the status of Holy Roman Emperor, and why he was not created but only "crowned" king. In 754 the church clandestinely betrayed its pact.

The Prieure de Sion is the name of the secret order which created the Knight Templars as its military and administrative arm. (It should be remembered that the Knight Templars were the forerunners of Freemasonry). The Prieure de Sion continues to function through the centuries, acting in the shadows, and has orchestrated certain critical events in Western history.

It exists today and is still operative. Its declared objective is the restoration of the Merovingian dynasty and bloodline -- to the throne not only of France, but of other European nations as well -- a restoration that is sanctioned and justifiable, both legally and morally.


There is strong evidence to suggest that this order was the author of Freemasonry, and "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion", as well as the Rosicrucians. There is abundant evidence to suggest that Nostradamus was one of their secret agents, and there is no question that numerous quatrains which refer to the advent of "le Grand Monarch" indicate that this sovereign will ultimately derive from the Merovingian dynasty. Implying a double hegemony of the Papacy and the Empire, of the Vatican and of the Habsburgs. He frequently referred quite explicitly to the Knights Templars and to the house of Lorraine which is now synonymous with the Habsburgs.

Although deposed in the eighth century, the Merovingian bloodline did not become extinct. On the contrary it perpetuated itself in a direct line from Dagobert II and his son Sigisbert IV. By dint of dynastic alliances and intermarriages, this line came to include Godfroi de Bouillon, who captured Jerusalem in 1099, and various other noble and royal families, past and present -- Blanchefort, Gisors, Saint-Clair (Sinclair in England), Montesquieu, Montpezat, Poher, Luisignan, Plantard and Habsburg-Lorraine. At present, the Merovingian bloodline enjoys a legitimate claim to its heritage.

The crown of Charlemagne -- a replica of which is now part of the imperial Habsburg regalia -- is said to have borne the inscription "Rex Salomon" (Encyclopaedia Britannica, 14th Ed., 1972, Crown and Regalia, Fig. 2). And the "Spear of Destiny", which is said to have pierced Christ, reside today in the Treasure House, Vienna, awaiting another Holy Roman Emperor (The Rigby Joy of Knowledge Library. History and Culture I, 1977:160; The Holy Roman Empire, Friedrich Heer, p. 284). It is clear why the "Protocols of the Elders of Sion" speak of a new king "of the Holy seed of David", (Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln). Otto von Habsburg (image right) is today the titular Duke of Lorraine and King of Jerusalem.

The Prieure de Sion claim to hold the lost treasure of the Temple of Jerusalem plundered by Titus in AD70 which would be returned to Israel "when the time was right". This might explain why Rome must defer to the "kings of the earth" and how she will seal a covenant with the Jews who have long hidden behind the shield of baptism.

Prince Bernhard is in fact related to the Khazars, and therefore a Gentile. Revelation 2:9, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but you are rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Assisted by the CIA, Prince Bernhard has brought the hidden ruling body of the Illuminati into public knowledge as The Bilderberg Group. (Established in 1954, its headquarters is 1 Smidswater, Den Haag, Nederlands). At the heart of the Bilderberg Group are 39 members of the Illuminati chosen from three committees drawn from the members of all the secret groups that comprise the Illuminati:

This committee works year round in offices in Switzerland.

The Committee of 300 now call themselves World Government Founders for the NWO. A reference no doubt to their hereditary claim to the "Divine Right of Kings". It is imperative that we realize that privately, the Black Nobility refuse to ever recognize any government other than their own inherited and divine right to rule. They believe the United States still belongs to England. And work diligently behind the scenes to cause conditions whereby they might regain their crowns.


Every royal and so-called noble dynasty past and present of Europe have seats on the Committee of 300, most often by nominees. There are just too many of these "royal" families for them each to have representatives on the Committee of 300. Precedence is determined by rank: first royal family members, then dukes, earls, marquises and lords, then finally "commoners", who usually get the title of "Sir"
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Quite Interesting I Think all Presidents Are Related to each Other And The Closet one related to the Queen becomes President..
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Quite Interesting I Think all Presidents Are Related to each Other And The Closet one related to the Queen becomes President..

Hi cheeney.
It has become quite evident with the bush,Clinton saga and then when you have a new Pres- or Prime Monster they always go to see the boss in England.

Haven't they heard of video conferencing, save a lot of carbon footprinting and tax payers money.

Obama has the bloodline being a relative of Cheney and a cousin 9th removed of Bush, who's bloodline goes back to King George.
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The "Black Nobility" are/were the oligarchic families of Venice and Genoa, Italy, who in the 12th century held the privileged trading rights (monopolies). The first of three crusades, from 1063 to 1123, established the power of the Venetian Black Nobility and solidified the power of the wealthy ruling class. The Black Nobility aristocracy achieved complete control over Venice in 1171, when the appointment of the Doge was transferred to what was known as the Great Council, which consisted of members of the commercial aristocracy (among them the infamous de’Medici family). Venice has remained in their hands ever since, but the power and influence of the Venetian Black Nobility extends far beyond its borders, and today it is felt in every corner of the globe. (Don’t forget, our modern banking system originated in Italy.)

In 1204 the oligarchic family parceled out feudal enclaves to their members, and from this epoch dates the great building-up of power and pressure until the government became a closed corporation (don’t we know this from somewhere?) of the leading Black Nobility families. More of this can be found in the works of Dr. John Coleman, Black Nobility Unmasked World-wide, 1985; Conspirators’ Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300, 1992. Question: the Christopher Columbus story is a concoction. How about the Marco Polo stories? Anyone?

The Black Nobility earned its title through dirty tricks, so when the population revolted against the monopolies in government, as anywhere else (aren’t we), the leaders of the uprising were quickly seized and brutally hanged. The Black Nobility uses secret assassinations, murder, blackmail, the bankrupting of opposing citizens or companies, kidnapping, rape and so on… hence their name. Who are these families today? Well, the most important ones are:

  • House of Bernadotte, Sweden
  • House of Bourbon, France
  • House of Braganza, Portugal
  • House of Grimaldi, Monaco
  • House of Guelph, Britain (the most important one)
  • House of Habsburg, Austria
  • House of Hanover, Germany (the second most important one)
  • House of Hohenzollern, Germany
  • House of Karadjordjevic, Yugoslavia (former)
  • House of Liechtenstein, Liechtenstein
  • House of Nassau, Luxembourg
  • House of Oldenburg, Denmark
  • House of Orange, Netherlands
  • House of Savoy, Italy
  • House of Wettin, Belgium
  • House of Wittelsbach, Germany
  • House of Württemberg, Germany
  • House of Zogu, Albania
  • all the families you will find on the Windsor family tree
All the families listed are connected with the House of Guelph, one of the original Black Nobility families of Venice, from which the House of Windsor and thus the present Queen of England, Elizabeth II, descends. The Guelphs are so intertwined with the German aristocracy through the House of Hanover that it would take several pages to mention all their connections. All (almost) European royal houses originate from the House of Hanover and thus from the House of Guelph — the Black Nobility.

An example: the Hanoverian British King George I came from the Duchy of Luneburg, a part of Northern Germany, which had been governed by the Guelph family since the 12th century. Today the Guelphs (the Windsors) rule by dominating the raw materials market, and for years they have fixed the price of gold (a commodity they neither produce nor own). The House of Windsor also controls the price of copper, zinc, lead and tin. It is no accident that the principle commodity exchanges are located in London, England. Companies run by Black Nobility families are British Petroleum, Oppenheimer, Lonrho, Philbro and many many more.

Another Black Nobility family are the Grosvenors in England. For centuries this family lived, as most of the European families, on ground rent. Today the family owns at least 300 acres of land in the centre of London. The land is never sold, but leased on a 39 year leasehold agreement — the ground rent of the middle ages. Grosvenor Square, in which the American Embassy is located, belongs to the Grosvenor family, as does Eaton Square. In Eaton Square apartments are rented out at 25,000 to 75,000 pounds a month (and that does not include maintenance costs). This is to give you an idea of the immense wealth the Black Nobility families garner from ground rents, and why families like the Windsors are not at all interested in industrial progress along with the excess population it supports. This is the main reason why these ’noble’ families are behind most, if not all, of the wrong-headed pro-environmental movements of the world that ultimately and covertly (of course) aim to curb population growth. Prince Philip and Prince Charles are the most visible symbols of these movements, and both have often spoken with the utmost callousness about the need to rid the world of unwanted people.

The Black Nobility are the founders of the secret society of our day from which all the others that are connected to the Illuminati originated from — the Committee of 300. The Club of Rome, the C.F.R., the R.I.I.A., the Bilderbergers, the Round Table… all originate from the Committee of 300 and therefore from the European Black Nobility families.


Co-operating with the European Black Nobility are American families like the Harrimans and the McGeorge Bundys. The House of Hanover seems to be German, but is Jewish. So is the House of Habsburg. So it wasn’t really the Germans who took over the British throne...










The Kahzars/Rothchilds seem to pop up alot



Have to make an distinction between being Kahzar and jewish, because that is a game by the Dark Agenda to throw you of the track.
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According to The AntiChrist and a Cup of Tea by Tim Cohen:
He claims descent from David, Jesus, and Mohammed.
He wants to be the King of Europe.
He heads the United World Colleges.
He steers the environmental ethics and business agendas of over 100 of the world's largest multinational corporations.
He is credited for the success of the Rio Earth Summit and thus the Kyoto Protocol, and he has spearheaded the push for enforceable environmentalism worldwide.
He initiated the Global Security Programme and its lecture series, for which Mikhail Gorbachev has become a spokesperson.
He has partnered with the United Nations and the World Bank.
He appears to be responsible for the initiation of the current Mideast "peace process", and has been directly involved since Yitzhak Rabin's funeral.
He has taken a traceable bio-chip implant.
His media exposure has exceeded that of every other man in history.
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Pr...les/index.html

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Yes, where have I heard the saying "bloodlines".

As for most of the American Presidents i'm not to sure but the bushes diffidently are, and the major corporations have their stock in there.

haha... I seem to have heard the term "bloodlines" also.

And as for Prince Charles, I certainly have no idea if he's really a prophetic figure. But, from what I've seen in the media, and if Tim Cohen is accurate in his facts, he certainly seems to be one of the major players in this attempt to establish the coming global "rational dictatorship."

Bloodlines... Family..... hmm?

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haha... I seem to have heard the term "bloodlines" also.

And as for Prince Charles, I certainly have no idea if he's really a prophetic figure. But, from what I've seen in the media, and if Tim Cohen is accurate in his facts, he certainly seems to be one of the major players in this attempt to establish the coming global "rational dictatorship."

Bloodlines... Family..... hmm?

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Hi joe,

I watched the vid a while ago on a site called Liberty interesting stuff with the symbology of the crest, etc

it's hard to fathom that old bonnie Prince Charles could be the Anti-Christ but he certianly is positioning himself in the world as a leader. Mmmm.
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Think you've prob just about covered the subject Boots. Anyway lot's here

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/es...blacknobil.htm
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Think you've prob just about covered the subject Boots. Anyway lot's here

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/es...blacknobil.htm

Hi ES,

Thanks for the heads up,

Good site, Hey

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My G_d. Not another thread spouting rubbish. I'm not wasting my time on this. Anyone who takes this stuff serious needs to do their own independent research. There is a rebuttal for all this conspiracy stuff if you do the homework for all of these crazy theories that this forum is so well known for.
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My G_d. Not another thread spouting rubbish. I'm not wasting my time on this. Anyone who takes this stuff serious needs to do their own independent research. There is a rebuttal for all this conspiracy stuff if you do the homework for all of these crazy theories that this forum is so well known for.
Great evidence you have here debunking this, too, I might add!

Don't mind this person... I have shut him down in another thread, he's just another gatekeeper for the Order of the Quest, the Jesuits.





By the way, great thread boots! You provided some great information, and I enjoyed reading through it very much. Keep it up.
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My G_d. Not another thread spouting rubbish. I'm not wasting my time on this. Anyone who takes this stuff serious needs to do their own independent research. There is a rebuttal for all this conspiracy stuff if you do the homework for all of these crazy theories that this forum is so well known for.

Hahahaha.

Where did you get your research from? The MSM!!! which there are only 5 organisations within the world. Its a monopoly and you have fallen for the propaganda.

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Great evidence you have here debunking this, too, I might add!

Don't mind this person... I have shut him down in another thread, he's just another gatekeeper for the Order of the Quest, the Jesuits.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0meVCKe3q4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khQh2Kb55jY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fat9KQUEgc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytKVkUNCb_M
By the way, great thread boots! You provided some great information, and I enjoyed reading through it very much. Keep it up.
Thank you 1776.

I can usually give people benefit of doubt. But not Kadosh. I think you are dead right about this guy.

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More ,more good and informative thread.

Interesting vids there 1776.

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Very interesting thread - what form does this black nobility take at the moment, I mean are we likely to see them in the street sort of thing.
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