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Old 07-04-2014, 10:37 AM   #2721
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Malaysia flight: Chinese vessel using U.S.-made device in search


In this image taken from video, a member of a Chinese search
team uses an instrument to detect electronic pulses Saturday while
searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on board the
patrol vessel Haixun 01 in the south Indian Ocean. (Associated Press)

By Julie Makinen

April 6, 2014 | 9:54 a.m.

BEIJING — The pinger locater that Chinese searchers are using in the quest for Malaysia Flight 370 is a $16,000, U.S.-made device typically used by divers to find lost marine equipment in relatively shallow waters. But the Massachusetts manufacturer says it’s possible the machine could detect pulses from an airplane “black box” lost in the ocean several miles deep.

Thomas Altshuler, vice president and group general manager of Teledyne Marine Systems, said his company was aware that China had purchased several of its pinger locaters in the past but did not know how or where authorities were using the equipment.

On Saturday, China’s state-run media said crews with the patrol ship Haixun 01 had briefly picked up 37.5 mHz pulses — the same frequency as emitted by an airplane flight data recorder pinger — on Friday and Saturday in the Indian Ocean, at a latitude of 25 degrees south and longitude of 101 degrees east. Photos of the crew showed them using Teledyne Benthos equipment.

The pinger locater the crew was using is designed for divers to search at depths up to 600 feet; in this case, it had an adapter that allows it to be hung it off the side of a boat. But the depth rating relates more to the pressure the housing can withstand, Altshuler said, rather than the distance at which pings could be detected.

Australian officials said Sunday ocean depths in the area where the Chinese crews reported detecting the pulses could be up to 4,500 meters, or about 14,700 feet.

“It would typically not be used to be look for something that is thousands of meters deep in the ocean. That’s not what it is designed to do,” Altshuler said in a phone interview. “But it is possible to detect at this depth. … The physics would say that it is possible.”

Altshuler said he had asked a pair of his firm’s scientists to calculate the equipment’s capabilities under such conditions.

Until late Saturday, Australian authorities coordinating the search for Flight 370, which disappeared March 8 on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, had indicated that only two ships in the search fleet – the Australian vessel Ocean Shield and the British survey ship Echo – had carried equipment that could detect transmissions from an airplane black box. In the case of the Ocean Shield, it is towing a deep-water pinger locater lent by the U.S. Navy that Altshuler said is designed to work at depths of 6,000 meters, or nearly 20,000 feet.

Teledyne Benthos is one of two manufacturers of black box pingers, which are built to FAA specifications; the other is Dukane Seacom. But similar pingers that emit different frequencies are attached to many other types of marine equipment to make it easier to locate if they become lost.

Australian Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, who is coordinating the search from Perth, said Sunday that the Echo was headed to meet up with Haixun 01 to see whether it could substantiate the Chinese crew’s findings.

The crew of the Ocean Shield – which was some 300 nautical miles away from Haixun’s location – on Sunday said they too had detected an “acoustic event” in their area possibly related to Flight 370’s black box. The ship was staying in that vicinity for the time being to investigate further.

Altshuler said while the Teledyne Benthos equipment can detect pings, it does not record them and save them for later, unless the device had been modified by the Chinese.

Chinese searchers reported detecting the 37.5-mHz pulses for only two brief periods; in one case, the pulses lasted about 90 seconds. Houston cautioned at a news briefing Sunday that these were “fleeting” acoustic events and not a continuous signal as one might expect if it were coming from a black box.

However, Altshuler said the pinger detector employs a cone-shaped listening device, so slight movements of the cone in any direction may cause the detector to lose a signal. Other factors might also account for a spotty detection.

“The physics of how sound propagates through the water is very complex,” he said. “Like with a cellphone, you walk around your house and the signal fades in and out. …. There’s an analogous effect in the ocean.”

The challenging search for Flight 370, Altshuler said, points up the fact that airplane black boxes carry only very basic technology, even though much more advanced equipment that could make such searches less difficult is available today.

For instance, he said, aviation authorities could mandate that black box pingers carry 90-day batteries, instead of the 30-day ones that are standard now. Or, he said, they could be equipped with transponders, which don’t emit a signal until they are “engaged” by a detection device that sends out a search signal. Such transponders, he noted, can have a battery life of several years.

“I don’t know why government or policy is done the way it is,” he said. “There is technology that is readily available that could make the search of something like this easier — from the top side and what’s on the [airplane].”

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Australian officials said Sunday ocean depths in the area where the Chinese crews reported detecting the pulses could be up to 4,500 meters, or about 14,700 feet.

“It would typically not be used to be look for something that is thousands of meters deep in the ocean. That’s not what it is designed to do,” Altshuler said in a phone interview. “But it is possible to detect at this depth. … The physics would say that it is possible.”
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:52 AM   #2722
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“But it is possible to detect at this depth. … The physics would say that it is possible.”
The MSM would say it is possible
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Old 07-04-2014, 10:57 AM   #2723
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Old 07-04-2014, 11:07 AM   #2724
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The MSM would say it is possible
Im not a physics guy, but I do have some experience in detecting very small signals in extremely noisy data (dont ask, you really dont want to know !).

If you have a pinger thats transmitting once every second, then you'd usually measure a bunch of signals over say a 2 second period, and for each measurement thats taken over that period, you attatch an accurate timestamp.

Then you basically add the signal levels from each of the 2 second slices together, using the timestamp to sequence them together so everything lines up in the right place. So if the pinger is transmitting 1.25 seconds into your sample, what should happen is that the noise levels on each side of the signal cancels itself out, and if there's a very small signal thats within that noise, it should reveal itself over time. I suspect its a lot more difficult than that with signals in sea water, vastly more complex.

Its certainly not something you could do on a fast moving boat, with a noisy outboard motor, waering a pair of ipod headphones !

37.5KHz is well outside of the spectrum of human hearing, so I guess how these devices work is that you set a frequency that you want to listen too, and if the device detects that frequency, it makes an audiable ping that the operator can hear. Thats probably why the instrument has the 37.5 number displayed on the photograph.

How convinient that there just happened to be an english speaking journalist on the very boat that located the signal ! and a friendly photographer to photograph the event !

Just like when the 7/7 bombers where arrested !

People might argue that the real location was found by Chinese submarines who do not wish to reveal their technical capabilities, but that makes no sense, you might fool a dumbed down daily mail reader, but some guy with a PhD in Hydroacoustics working on highly classified MOD defense projects isnt going to buy that for a second, and those are the guys the chinese need to fool, so by finding the pinger, they probably reveal a great deal of information about their capabilities.

The chinese have been slagged off previously for lack of response to international disasters, so maybe they think its worth trading a bit of intel for some good PR
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Old 07-04-2014, 11:29 AM   #2725
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Its quite laughable really. In the media yesterday they had photographs and video of a couple of chinese guys on a rubber inflatable boat, with a hand held hydrophone dipped in the water, as evidence of the black box ping.

In reality, to pick up a signal from that depth, they'd need a multi array sonar detector, dragged throgh the water on the end of a 6 mile long steel rope weighing about 8 tonnes, towed behind a ship at a speed of 4 knots.

Even then, the signal would be so weak as to be undetectable, so they'd have to constantly integrate the signal from the detectors to differentiate it from background noise.

However, the Chinese, who amazingly just happened to be sailing along, miles from the authorised and agreed search zone, decide to go for a ride in a RIB at 40 knots, dangling a fish finder in the sea, the sort of kit that typically would be used to find fish 30 foot under your boat, and which you could probably buy for 200 bucks someplace.

A british nuclear submarine, packed to the gills with the most sophisticated detection equipment, designed, built and operated by some of the brightest guys on the planet, in conjunction with a massive array of military underwater hydrophones, and sophisticated analysis software cant find the black box.

A chinese guy in a tiny boat, with a fish finder tied to the end of a broom stick, 20,000 feet above them detected a signal.

The basic laws of physics are obviously not operating as we'd expect in that part of the world. They are looking more and more ridiculous with every passing day.
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Old 07-04-2014, 12:21 PM   #2726
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Confirmed

Steve (Stephen) Bajc is in fact the spouse of Sarah Bajc.

There are no birth records and no marriage records available prior to 1995 for both of them what must be due to the fact that they
1) married outside the USA
2) and/or both of them had a different surname prior to 1995
3) and/or both of them lived outside canada/usa/uk prior to 1995

They were already married in 1995 when there is their first USA record on file and both they lived in Marietta (GA).
Later at least until 1999 they both lived in Roswell (GA).
In 2002 Sarah is listed as to be living in California.
Nowadays both Sarah and Stephen Bajc live in China.

There are no divorce records either and it looks like as if they are still married.

Their Marietta address:
Name:Sarah Bajc
Spouse:Steve
Address:3263 Dunbery Chase SE
City:Marietta
State:Georgia

The below link isnt the database where i am searching because what i am using is not accessable for everybody but here you can try to find more relations:

http://www.ussearch.com/search/peopl...KY?refer=5315#

Here is something regarding her childhood and maiden name
http://www.mininggazette.com/page/co....html?nav=5006

Sarah's brother (there are more siblings)
http://www.advancedbackgroundchecks....amil/163608281

Sarah's late father:
http://www.tributes.com/obituary/sho...Hamil-99820151

This is her mother:
http://www.usa-people-search.com/nam...mil-Roswell-GA

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Old 07-04-2014, 08:35 PM   #2727
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Are people having problems logging on here again?
Why is this on page 2?

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Old 07-04-2014, 08:42 PM   #2728
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Question, regarding google maps.... I didnt think they were live satellite pictures on there, so why when you go to the apparent search area for MH370 on the map do they have these dodgy looking grey squares all over it? Ive zoomed in on them and they look like a mish mash of black and white satellite pictures of clouds... hhhmmm...
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Old 07-04-2014, 09:21 PM   #2729
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So sarah bajic is claiming a conspiracy but no one seems to be buying it on here......very odd indeed, could this be because dahboo7 says so

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Old 07-04-2014, 09:30 PM   #2730
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I read in the MSM today that the 3rd ping was 300 miles from the first 2?!

Im not sure the timescale hear but I think it was a couple of weeks. How could the wreckage or box have moved so far?!?! wtf is going on here

more diversion no doubt. Could china be sending a message here tho? Interesting there with the bogus chinese detection thing! ... some kind of message from the controllers maybe...a subliminal to us? Seems like a lot of event are linking russia china and america atm...
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Old 08-04-2014, 12:30 AM   #2731
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What a joke...you should get your apology ready...This plane was turned to ashes the night it took off...
Wouldnt be surprising mate!!
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Nice timing for this 'impromptu' crock of crap, courtesy of the Disney brigade on their flight home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSLx...feature=em-hot

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Old 08-04-2014, 12:53 AM   #2733
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Nice timing for this 'impromptu' crock of crap, courtesy of the Disney brigade on their flight home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSLx...feature=em-hot

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I actually enjoyed that..
thought it was a beautiful sound of acapella voices in harmony

the world needs more of that imho

thanks for posting it
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I actually enjoyed that..
thought it was a beautiful sound of acapella voices in harmony

the world needs more of that imho

thanks for posting it
You are welcome. Personally I find anything associated with Disney to be abhorrent and highly suspect.

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So sarah bajic is claiming a conspiracy but no one seems to be buying it on here......very odd indeed, could this be because dahboo7 says so
It is because Sarah Bajc seems like an actress- Dahboo just points it out- . Others have too.

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You are welcome. Personally I find anything associated with Disney to be abhorrent and highly suspect.

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I know about the dark side of disney..
but that rendition was beautiful..imho
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Those who still think it crashed or exploded read this

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U.N. Says It Detected No Crash or Explosion

Sensitive nuclear monitoring equipment has found no evidence that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 exploded or crashed, the U.N. said Monday.

While seismic systems used by the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization are intended to detect nuclear explosions, they're also capable of picking up "the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water," Stephane Dujarric, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's spokesman, told reporters in New York.

But tests over the weekend had confirmed that "neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Dujarric said Monday.

The organization's executive secretary ordered that all its sensors be used to try to find the plane, and he encouraged scientists from around the world to "carefully study the available data," Dujarric said.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...plosion-n55256
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It is because Sarah Bajc seems like an actress- Dahboo just points it out- . Others have too.

Great vid:

http://youtu.be/aMx27UUcRco
Sarah Bajc' father had died on january 30 2014.
Shortly before march 8th she was returning from his funeral in the USA (georgia).
In that case it is easy to show emotions even if there are none in that specific case.

In my opinion - given her chinese Chabad-Lubavich membership, she is a setup disinformation agent. No doubts about that.
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What does "seems like" mean?

There doesn't seem to be any evidence Sarah Bajc is an actress. In fact, we know from Dahboo's research she used to work for Microsoft. She's a high-flying executive, not an actress.
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Guy calls residents of Kuda Huvadhoo to try and confirm eyewitness sightings.

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