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Old 22-09-2013, 02:16 PM   #1
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Question Why aren't we taught how to use bills of exchange?

There is the Uniform Commercial Code (Contract Law/Equity Law), the highest law/code
regulating Commerce and all negotiable instruments.
This is administered in Washington.
Notice the defacto (not dejure) GovernMENT below [see trademark] is also registered as
a Corporation conducting business in Washington ***






There is a presumption that the person is the DEBTOR of the Corporation/company bills.
*** https://fortress.wa.gov/dol/dolprod/...leID=DOLUCC003


What is the applicable acting jurisDICTION?
Does this mean that Corporate GovernMENTs, Corporate Courts exists,
and the judges and magistrates are administrating the business of the Corporations?
Then if so, are we operating in substance, Common Law
or Fiction, Commerce, Contract Law/Code?

If we are operating under Contract and Equity Law, then where can we find remedy and cure?

There is the Uniform Commercial Code http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc
and similarly in Australia "Bills Of Exchange Act 1909." Notice the Great Seal of Australia
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2012C00128

Since the substance of gold and silver was taken out of circulation in 1933,
(House Joint Resolution 192 - Suspension of Gold Standard in 1933. Washington.
Financial Emergency Acts 1927 - 1931. Australia)
how can one make payment? Where is value found?

Subsequently we are compelled to use notes and bills.

Bills of Exchange Act 1909
Part 1 Section 4 lists the Interpretation of terms
Quote:
Acceptance means an acceptance completed by delivery or notification.
Action includes counter‑claim and set‑off.
Australasia means Australia, and any Territory, New Zealand, and the Fiji Islands.
Banker includes a body of persons, whether incorporated or not, who carry on the business of banking.
Bankrupt means any person whose estate is vested in a trustee or assignee under the law for the time being in force relating to bankruptcy or insolvency.
Bearer means the person in possession of a bill or note which is payable to bearer.
Bill means bill of exchange.
Delivery means transfer of possession, actual or constructive, from one person to another.
Holder means the payee or indorsee of a bill or note who is in possession of it, or the bearer thereof.
Indorsement means an indorsement completed by delivery.
Issue means the first delivery of a bill or note, complete in form, to a person who takes it as a holder.
Note means promissory note.
Person includes a body of persons whether incorporated or not.
Value means valuable consideration.
Written includes printed, and writing includes print.
Notice the following:-


Part II, Division 1, S8 Bill of exchange defined
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(1) A bill of exchange is an unconditional order in writing, addressed by one person to another, signed by the person giving it, requiring the person to whom it is addressed to pay on demand, or at a fixed or determinable future time, a sum certain in money to or to the order of a specified person, or to bearer.


Part II, Division 8,
Part V, S97 Signature
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(2) In the case of a corporation, where, by this Act, any instrument or writing is required to be signed, it is sufficient if the instrument or writing be sealed with the corporate seal. But nothing in this section shall be construed as requiring the bill or note of a corporation to be under seal.
Division 5--General duties of the holder, Dishonour by non-acceptance and its consequences
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(1) A bill is dishonoured by non-acceptance:
(a) when it is duly presented for acceptance, and such an acceptance as is prescribed by this Act is refused or cannot be obtained; or
(b) when presentment for acceptance is excused, and the bill is not accepted.


Part II, Division 1,
S25 Inchoate instruments

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(1) Where a simple signature on a blank stamped paper stamped with an impress duty stamp is delivered by the signer in order that it may be converted into a bill, it operates as a prima facie authority to fill it up as a complete bill for any amount the stamp will cover, using the signature for that of the drawer or the acceptor or an indorser.
(3) In order that any such instrument when completed may be enforceable against any person who became a party thereto prior to its completion, it must be filled up within a reasonable time, and strictly in accordance with the authority given. Reasonable time for this purpose is a question of fact:
Provided that, if any such instrument after completion is negotiated to a holder in due course, it shall be valid and effectual for all purposes in his or her hands, and he or she may enforce it as if it had been filled up within a reasonable time and strictly in accordance with the authority given.
(4) For the purposes of subsection (1) of this section, duty stamp includes a duty stamp, required, by the law of the State in which the instrument is issued, to be impressed on a bill.
Is not the presumption made by the Corporations, Commonwealth,
that we are the person, legal fiction,
or agent/acting for or on behalf of the person/principal?
Are we not also the banker in use of these commercial instruments?
Is not the Corporate Seal evidence of their Corporation Signature?
Then are any documents bearing the Corporate Seal an offer to contract/Inchoate (incomplete) instruments?

Can we not stay in honour by acceptance or
conditional acceptance of negotiable instruments [by adding, amending where the one deems fit]?
Can we/the holder in due course not enforce the conditional acceptance with
the required duty [postage] stamp, and
signature to complete the contract and convert to a bills of exchange
by way of money order, cheque, BOE?
Can we not use these to discharge liabilities, set‑off account and counter claim?
Does not the person's signature create the value?

Do not banks secure/use these commercial instruments?
Without our acceptance of value and signature where is the value in commerce?
Are we then not in fact the "Creditor" in Commerce who creates the value
with our energy, performance/work, effort and time?

Consider Rates Notices, Utility Bills, Fine Notices, Statement of Account, Court Summary, Warrants etc
any written document bearing the Corporate Seal.
Are these not an offer to contract being inchoate instruments?
By acceptance and conditional acceptance can we not all remain in honour?

How can notes and bills ever pay off debt?
Is this not a perpetual debt system?
Is our remedy and cure accept for value, discharging liabilities, set-off, and counter-claim?

There is a traditional legal maxim “ignorance of the law is no excuse.”

Why are we not taught how to use bills of exchange, negotiable instruments,
(since the person is required to act in the capacity of a banker)
to better manage the commercial matters and stay in honour?
This knowedge should be made transparent and comprehensible to all,
so that we each personally and individually
can consent/accept or conditionally accept with full disclosure.

Perhaps this is why many sovereigns write on on their contracts and before their signature
Quote:
"All rights reserved" and "without prejudice" so that s/he cannot be compelled:
to contract,
to accept benefits and privileges (jail is considered a benefit),
to perform under any contract or commercial agreement
that one did not enter knowingly, voluntarily and intentionally.
See UCC 1-308 http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/1/1-308
What are the prisons today?
Are these not Debtor's prison for "persons" in commercial dishonour?
Why then is the man, living soul held liable for the Corporation's (legal fiction) bill?
While [public] Corporation may have limited liability, claiming "Corp" legal fiction body,
the Directors, trustees and any interested parties
can be personally and individually identified, having both real "body" and mind.


Does not man, living soul create and issue Corporations, legal fictions, persons for man's benefit?
How can that which is created and issued, control and claim higher jurisDICTION over it's creator?
Is this through man's consent and acquiesce?

Was full disclosure given without fraudulent concealment and fraudulent intent?


Again,
*** Why is the presumption made by the Corporations with Government sounding name/titles
that the person is STRAMINEUS HOMO, surety (debtor)
is man, living soul?



Is this not fraud?


Quote:
Fraud: An intentional perversion of the truth for the purpose of inducing anotherin reliance upon it to part with some valuable thing or to surrender a legal right; a false representation of a matter of fact, whether by words ot conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of that which should have been disclosed, which deceives and is intended to deceive another so that he shall act upon it to his legal inquiry; anything calculated to deceive, whether by a single act or combination, or by suppression of truth, or suggestion of what is false, whether it be by direct falsehood or innuendo, by speech or silence, word of mouth, or look or gesture; fraud comprises all acts, omissions, and concealments involving a branch of legal or equitable duty and resulting in damage to another.
-Blacks Law Dictionary, 6th Edition, 1990
Should not those reponsible for fraud be held commercially liable and individually acountable?

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Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
- Matthew 5:25-26 [Canon law]

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Old 24-09-2013, 10:07 AM   #2
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the same reason we were never taught how banking works. the same reason we weren't taught about lobby groups. the same reason we were not taught about aipac...oops...did i say that?
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Old 24-09-2013, 03:14 PM   #3
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Come on. You've posted the same thing in three different threads.
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This teaching is not only wrong in the sense that it is false. It is wrongful. That is, it is full of wrong."
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Old 24-09-2013, 03:40 PM   #4
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You have to distinguish between stocks and bonds. Corporations usually trade stocks - that is to say, equity interests in the company. So when you buy stock, you're buying a certain amount of the corporation. Governments, however, trade in bonds, which are creditor interests. When you buy bonds, you're not getting any equity, or ownership of the government, you're simply lending it money.
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Old 24-09-2013, 06:38 PM   #5
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Unhappy Bonds & Bondage/Prison Commercial System

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You have to distinguish between stocks and bonds. Corporations usually trade stocks - that is to say, equity interests in the company. So when you buy stock, you're buying a certain amount of the corporation. Governments, however, trade in bonds, which are creditor interests. When you buy bonds, you're not getting any equity, or ownership of the government, you're simply lending it money.
While I don't know how Bonds are monetized, there is a detailed
explanation here: http://www.freedom-school.com/commercial_law.pdf
If the information is true, then there is no honour in CIVIL courts.
I feel disgusted in the slave trade.


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O.K. what are they doing with these Bonds?
What's going on in the courtroom is that they are suing you for a debt collection.
What it is an action of "ASSUMPSIT"
The word "PRESUME" comes from the word "Assumpsit" which means
"I agree or I presume to do".
An act of "Assumpsit" which means "I agree to a collection of a debt".
If you look at these Bonds...every one of these Bonds:
The "Bid Bond", "Performance Bond" & "Payment Bond" all have a
"PENAL SUM" attached to it.
The reason for the "Penal Sum" is if you go into Default...
if you don't pay the Debt, you go into "Default Judgment".
That is what is going on in the courtroom.
That is why all of these guys are sitting in prison wondering what's going on.
If you go in there and argue jurisdiction...Jack Smith is exactly correct in
what he is saying about the HONOR & DISHONOR.
If you go in and argue jurisdiction or refuse to answer questions
that the judge or the court addresses to you, they will find you in contempt of court
and they will put you in jail and if you read "Clerks Praxis" that's all they talk about is contempt.

What they used to do back in EDWARD the 1st;
if you owed a Debt they would send a Sheriff out with a WARRANT to
arrest you.
This is ALL CIVIL, this is NOT CRIMINAL.
It's just a smoke screen to cover up what they are doing...Mercantile Civ
il Law
and what they used to do when they arrest people with a warrant
and brought the person into court and make them sign a Bond to release
until the civil suit...it actually says "Civil Suit" in "Clerks Praxis".
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Old 24-09-2013, 10:41 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by dreamingod View Post
While I don't know how Bonds are monetized, there is a detailed
explanation here: http://www.freedom-school.com/commercial_law.pdf
If the information is true, then there is no honour in CIVIL courts.
I feel disgusted in the slave trade.
A sample of the document
Wow. That was spectacularly wrong. Here are the first three errors.
1. Presume is not from assumpsit. It is from the Latin Prae (before) and Sumere (take).
2. Assumpsit is itself a Latin expression meaning "he undertook".
3. Defaulting on a debt and having a default judgment entered against you are different things. You default on a debt when you don't pay it as you agreement. A default judgment can occur in any lawsuit against a party who doesn't respond to the case against him or her.
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This teaching is not only wrong in the sense that it is false. It is wrongful. That is, it is full of wrong."
R v. McCormick 2012 NSSC 288 per HHJ Moir at [28-32] Link
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Exclamation Noticed mistake

The below is not legal advice.
Do your own due diligence.

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Can we/the holder in due course not enforce the conditional acceptance with
the required duty [postage] stamp, and
signature to complete the contract and convert to a bills of exchange
by way of money order, cheque, BOE?
I have noticed a mistake. I apologise.
The acceptor of the bill is not "the holder in due course".
Replace sentence with
"Can we conditionally accept with the required duty [postage] stamp,
and signature to complete the contract and convert it to a bills of exchange
"

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A bill of exchange is essentially an order made by one person to another to pay money to a third person. A bill of exchange requires in its inception three parties—the drawer, the drawee, and the payee. The person who draws the bill is called the drawer. He gives the order to pay money to the third party. The party upon whom the bill is drawn is called the drawee. He is the person to whom the bill is addressed and who is ordered to pay. He becomes an acceptor when he indicates his willingness to pay the bill. The party in whose favor the bill is drawn or is payable is called the payee. The parties need not all be distinct persons. Thus, the drawer may draw on himself payable to his own order.

Wikipedia - Negotiable Instruments
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Using Your Exemption
by Moses G. Washington

Disclaimer
The material in this essay is for educational purposes only and
not to be construed as legal advice about what you should or should not do.

Sample:

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Introduction
The Exemption essay discussed the concept of having an exemption from having to “pay” for anything because there is no money of substance with which to “pay”. The exemption can also be thought of as an accounting of what they government owes us for everything they have taken from our parents and us without giving valuable consideration in return. That essay did not, however, discuss how to use or access the exemption. This essay will discuss how one might be able to use the exemption to discharge debt. The implications of discovering how to use the exemption would be staggering. It would mean the ability to get out from under the debt that is crushing so many people.
You could say that the current economic system has been set up for our benefit, to repay us as the beneficiaries of the trust (The Exemption essay introduced the concept of the trust). Our goal is to determine how to effectively use this system without destroying it.
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Debts That Can Be Discharged
Now we’ll describe what kinds of debts can be discharged with these instruments. BoEs and bonds can only be used to discharge public debts - not private debts. But what is public debt and what is a private debt? I define private debt as debt between two living souls (man to man, man to woman, etc) and public as debt to any legal fiction or any entity created by or authorized by the government. This means the “public” would include any government entity (municipal corporation), any corporation (S Corp or C Corp), limited liability company or partnership, statutory trust, partnerships or DBA (doing business as). All “public” entities have made application and received permission to exist.

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Conclusion
I hope this essay has assisted you in learning about the use of BoEs and bonds as possible means of accessing your exemption and discharging debt. It was meant as an introduction to this topic. It has not been my intent to tell you everything you will need to know to actually issue these instruments. There is simply too much information to convey in essay format. Do not attempt to issue these instruments using the information provided herein because far too many of the crucial details were not addressed. If you decide that you want to pursue the use of these instruments to discharge debts, I strongly advise that you seek the assistance of someone who has personal experience utilizing these instruments.

One potential source for this information is the “Remedies” section of Truth Sets Us Free web site, www.truthsetsusfree.com

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