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Well, I am new to this site and feel glad to have stumbled onto a wealth of information. I am interested in the true nature of power and have studied the second world war period in depth. I just wondered how David Icke--or 'Ickians'?--regard Adolf Hitler and his political rise in central Europe with regards to the world wide conspiracy: assuming this conspiracy would appear to be directed from Britain and America, I hardly think Hitler could be accused of trying to perpetuate it. So I would be interested to hear from some informed people what the second world war era signified in relation to the age-old conspiracy?
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Well, I am new to this site and feel glad to have stumbled onto a wealth of information. I am interested in the true nature of power and have studied the second world war period in depth. I just wondered how David Icke--or 'Ickians'?--regard Adolf Hitler and his political rise in central Europe with regards to the world wide conspiracy: assuming this conspiracy would appear to be directed from Britain and America, I hardly think Hitler could be accused of trying to perpetuate it. So I would be interested to hear from some informed people what the second world war era signified in relation to the age-old conspiracy?
Hitler is best understood by the legends that we are fed as facts. Once you understand this you will understand why Satan was demonized.
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Hitler was the good guy compared to Churchill, Stalin and Roosevelt.
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As a Jeffersonian / Lysander Spooner Libertarian, the very first thing that I would recommend to set your compass towards real history is the one page pamphlet called the 25 points of the NSDAP program or the "guiding principles" of German National Socialism as composed by Adolf Hitler and Anton Drexler and presented by Hitler on 24 February 1920:

The 25 points of the NSDAP Program -


Pay particular attention to the most important guiding principle which was:


3 years after this, the same people that were imposing both the outright slavery of the outrageous Versailles treaty reparations and the thralldom of interest on the German nation also forced it to undergo hyper-inflation, basically the complete collapse of their economy and the buying up of most German property of any worth at pennies on the dollar by Jews and their agents.

This is why in desperation in November 1923 when the German mark was completely destroyed by hyperinflation, Hitler tried to overthrow this disgusting Weimar government by force and failed in the 'Beer Hall Putsch.'

Later when they went the legal route and got freely voted in by a 44% majority in an 11 party race in 1933 (the social democrats only received 18% of the votes & the commies 12%), what was the very first thing that happened ?

Daily Express. London, March 24, 1933, pp. 1-2.


Full text of news story here:


That's right WAR was declared on them by the Jews before they even started. Despite this, Hitler and the National Socialists passed interest-free currency, freed the German nation from the thralldom of interest, as promised in the 25 points 13 years before, and created an economic miracle of full employment and zero inflation in less than 3 years.



"No democratic Government in the world can submit itself to a popular vote in greater trust and with greater confidence than the National Socialist Government of Germany." -- Adolf Hitler, 30th January, 1935.

And what were the results of the free elections (fully monitored by foreign journalists whom Goebbels had invited for exactly this purpose) of the years 1935 to 1938 ?

90% of the free Saar Region vote for reunification (January 13th, 1935)

98% of the free German vote (March 29th, 1936)

99% of the free Austrian vote for reunification with Germany (March 13th, 1938)

The people unanimously reassigned to Hitler the dictatorial powers to lead the nation (legally automatic through the 'enabling act' whenever there was a 2/3 majority gained in parliament) which he had already used to achieve spectacular results for the previous 3 years ?

This would make Adolf Hitler the most popular freely elected leader of all time.

Best place to do a more thorough research of the real history of National Socialist Germany as opposed to the Sefton Delmer black propaganda


Below are words from Denis Sefton Delmer, British chief propagandist after the capitulation of Germany in 1945 to the then German expert on International law Professor Grimm:

“We won this war with atrocity propaganda and now we will start more than ever! We will continue this atrocity propaganda, we will increase it until nobody will accept one good word from the Germans anymore, until everything is destroyed which might have upheld them sympathies in other countries, and until they will be so confused that they don’t know what to do anymore. When this is reached, when they begin to pollute their own nest, and this not reluctantly but with hasty willingness to obey the winners, only then the victory is complete. It will never be definite. The reeducation demands thorough, steadfast nurture like an English lawn. Only one moment of inattention and the weed will break through, this ineradicable weed of historic truth.”

Delmer was the head of "black propaganda," meaning forged documents. He managed not only groups of people working in this type of work, but also managed the relevant radio stations. He was a personal friend of the British Information Minister. In June, 1944, the Information Ministry sent out an official directive to all the higher-echelon civil servants and managers of the public media, instructing them that with the Red Army sweeping into western Europe, they would have to expect incredible cruelty from which they could distract world attention only through a strengthened atrocity propaganda campaign against Germany.

Sefton Delmer was the head functionary who carried out this work for the British government. His main method was to lie as exactly as possible so that the lies couldn't be uncovered right away. After the end of the war in occupied Germany, Delmer co-ordinated the "black propaganda" campaign with the French, the Soviets and the Americans. These co- ordinated lies and inventions could not be recognized as such right away. Delmer's work in occupied Germany lasted until 1947. During that period he and his staff forged a wealth of German documents which reached official files.

He described this work to a large extent in his own book. Udo Walendy testified that most of these forged documents had the Germans committing a large number of war crimes when no such crimes were committed at all. Delmer provided the documents to the British Ministry of Information which in turn sent them to the Nuremberg trial as actual official documents. The International Military Tribunal, pursuant to the London Agreement, did not check whether the documents were true or false, but simply entered them as evidence of "generally-known facts." Because they were considered authenticated official documents, they had now been introduced into history books.

In this situation, Walendy testified, even officially published documents had to be analyzed to determine whether or not they were forgeries.

The propaganda master succeeded in his mission of true lies to enforce a guilt complex upon the German people post WW2, which in part still exists to this very day.




are, of course, David Irving's books, many of which can be read for free online at his website (he discovered that by letting people read the books he also ends up selling many more hardcopies than before):

Hitler's War by David Irving


Nuremberg The Last Battle by David Irving


Apocalypse 1945: The Destruction of Dresden - David Irving


Goebbels, Mastermind of the Third Reich - David Irving


The Secret Diaries of Hitler's Doctor - David Irving


The Rise and Fall of the Luftwaffe - The Life of Field Marshal Erhard Milch - David Irving


Goering, A Biography - David Irving


The Trail of the Fox, The Search for the True Field Marshal Rommel - David Irving


Hess: The Missing Years 1941-1945 - David Irving


The Mare's Nest, The Story of Hitler's V Weapons - David Irving


The War Between the Generals - David Irving


Churchill's War Volume I: Struggle For Power - David Irving


Churchill's War Volume II: Triumph In Adversity - David Irving


Uprising ! The Hungarian Revolution of 1956 - David Irving





Hitler's Table Talk


David Irving replies:

Hitler's Table Talk is the product of his lunch- and supper-time conversations in his private circle from 1941 to 1944. The transcripts are genuine. (Ignore the 1945 "transcripts" published by Trevor-Roper in the 1950s as Hitler's Last Testament -- they are fake).

The table talk notes were originally taken by Heinrich Heim, the adjutant of Martin Bormann, who attended these meals at an adjacent table and took notes. (Later Henry Picker took over the job). Afterwards Heim immediately typed up these records, which Bormann signed as accurate.

François Genoud purchased the files of transcripts from Bormann's widow just after the war, along with the handwritten letters which she and the Reichsleiter had exchanged.

For forty thousand pounds -- paid half to Genoud and half to Hitler's sister Paula -- George Weidenfeld, an Austrian Jewish publisher who had emigrated to London, bought the rights and issued an English translation in about 1949.

For forty years or more no German original was published, as Genoud told me that he feared losing the copyright control that he exercised on them. I have seen the original pages, and they are signed by Bormann.

They were expertly, and literately, translated by Norman Cameron and R.H. Stevens, though with a few (a very few) odd interpolations of short sentences which don't exist in the original -- the translator evidently felt justified in such insertions, to make the context plain.

The Table Talks' content is more important in my view than Hitler's Mein Kampf, and possibly even more than his Zweites Buch (1928). It is unadulterated Hitler. He expatiates on virtually every subject under the sun, while his generals and private staff sit patiently and listen, or pretend to listen, to the monologues.


Mein Kampf - Adolf Hitler - Translated by James Murphy


The best source for revisionist history done in the audio format that I was able to find in past few years has been Veronica Kuzniar Clark. Her radio appearances are almost always brilliant and packed with a depth of research and information that is a true rarity these days. Here's a fairly complete list that I compiled:

Spingola Special - 04 / 27 / 2013 - Guest: Veronica Clark

Veronica Clark talks about NLP (Neuro-linguistic Programming and her five new books )



Deanna Spingola - 01 / 26 / 2013 - Guest: Historian Veronica Clark of inconvenienthistory.com, author of the books "Black Nazis I & II," "Hitler & Himmler Uncensored," " Warwolves of the Iron Cross: The Hyenas of High Finance" -


Historian Veronica Clark talks about Narcissistic Personality Disorder - 11 / 11 / 2012


Star Theory with Kyle Hunt - 11 / 10 / 2012 - Guests: Delcroix of Awake Radio and Veronica Clark of inconvenienthistory.com


1936 - Hermann Goering with pet lion cub
1936 - Hermann Goering with pet lion cub - YouTube

Spingola Special 10 / 13 / 2012 - Veronica Clark talks about all of the people who fought with Hitler during WWII


Deanna Spingola - Historian Veronica Clark investigates Operation Wetback vs The Transfer Agreement - 09 / 13 / 2012 -


Deanna Spingola - 08 / 09 / 2012 - Veronica Clark, author of "Hitler & Himmler Uncenscored," on the absurd fables in Joseph Farrell's book "Brotherhood of the Bell" and the alleged Not-see occult -


Himmler and wife shopping 1936

Deanna Spingola / Veronica Clark - The Gleiwitz Incident, part 1 - 07 / 19 / 2012


Deanna Spingola / Veronica Clark - The Gleiwitz Incident, part 2 - 07 / 26 / 2012


Deanna Spingola / Veronica Clark - The Gleiwitz Incident, part 3 - 08 / 01 / 2012


Charles Giuliani - The Truth Hertz - 07 / 11, 2012 Interview with Veronica Clark of inconvenienthistory.com


Deanna Spingola / Veronica Clark - 06 / 21 / 2012

Kristallnacht - the myths, lies and exaggerations vs. the historical reality


Deanna Spingola Special Broadcast: 6/14/2012 - Guest: Historian Veronica Clark - the Myth of the NSDAP starting the Reichstag Fire as a 'False-Flag' operation deconstructed in detail


Spingola Speaks 06 /07 / 2012 -- Deanna Spingola interviews Veronica Clark, author of the books Black Nazis I & II, Hitler and Himmler Uncensored & Triumph of Diversity: A New Look at Hitler's Armed Forces

Hess & Hitler's relationship to Britain; Churchill's Deception by Louis C. Kilzer


Deanna Spingola / Veronica Clark - 06/ 01/ 2012 -
The Mengele myths, the homosexuality myths in the NSDAP, Project Monarch NSDAP connection myths deconstructed


Deanna Spingola / Veronica Clark - 05/ 25/ 2012 - More lies about National Socialism exposed for the invented frauds they are. Himmler's Posen Speech of 10/24/1943, buried on microfiche for 60-plus years, rediscovered and analyzed


Spingola Speaks 05 / 17 / 2012. - Guest: Veronica Clark talked about the book Stalin's Folly, which examined the invasion of Russia by Germany in Operation Barbarossa which began on June 22, 1941.


Spingola Speaks 04 / 27 / 2012. - Guest: Veronica Clark, the author of "Warwolves of the Iron Cross: The Hyenas of High Finance," "Hitler and Himmler, Uncensored" and other books, talked about Hitler's personality and other issues.


Spingola Speaks 04 / 06 / 2012. - Guest: Veronica Clark - Hitler's views on Christianity, capitalism vs. socialism vs. communism.


Spingola Speaks 03 / 26 / 2012. - Guest: Veronica Clark talked about the various peoples who fought with Germany in the Warsaw Uprising, August 1, – October 2, 1944, which also involved the Warsaw Ghetto because of the location of a massive weapons cache and the participation of the Jews in the uprising.

Spingola Speaks 03 / 09 / 2012. - Guest: Historian Veronica Clark talked about an essay in her latest book, "Hitler and Himmler Uncensored," regarding the differences between Hitler and Mao. She also discussed other pertinent issues.


Spingola Speaks 02 / 06 / 2012 - Guest: Veronica Clark

Veronica Clark, the author of Warwolves of the Iron Cross: A New Look at Hitler's Armed Forces and other books and the co-translator of several books talked about her newest endeavor, The Union Jackal and other issues.

Spingola Speaks 01 / 04 / 2012 - Guest: Veronica Clark & Hans Krampe

In the first hour Hans Krampe talked about how the Soviets soldiers treated the Germans, including women and children. In the second hour Veronica Clark talked about the novel The Jewish Messiah and an essay by H. W. Koch debunking a few more anti-Hitler lies.

Deanna Spingola and V.K. Clark - 12 / 02 / 2011 Veronica Clark talked about 1. Hitlers alleged escape and the evidence in Grey Wolf (the book) vs. Soviet story; 2. Hitlers alleged Jewishness, and who was his real father was and how do we know; 3. J. K. Rowlings subliminal message via Harry Potter and how it pertains directly to Hitler and his alleged 'Jewish defect.'

Deanna Spingola and V.K. Clark - 11 / 01 / 2011 - Veronica Clark talked about four significant books, Savage Wars of Peace, The Pan-Angles (1915), Union Now with Britain (1941). She also talked about her soon-to-be released book with co-author Wilf Heink, The Union Jackal.

Deanna Spingola and V.K. Clark - 09 / 28 / 2011 - Veronica Clark talked about poll questions and herd mentality in the US, the book Warwolves of the Iron Cross: The Hyenas of High Finance, Dr. Heinrich Pudor and the NSDAP and Wilf Heink, in the second hour, talked about Jewish emigration as discussed in the Hyenas book.

Charles Giuliani - The Truth Hertz - September 14, 2011 Interview with Veronica Clark of inconvenienthistory.com


Deanna Spingola and V.K. Clark - 09 / 13 / 2011 - Veronica Clark talked about Hitler and people's misconceptions of him based on propaganda literature designed to lead people away from the real facts. She talked about group psychology - groupthink, and ethnocentrism. She talked about Transference and countertransference and how this applies to WW2 history and the control of it.

Deanna Spingola and V.K. Clark - 08 / 26 / 2011 - Historian Veronica Clark, the author of Warwolves of the Iron Cross: A New Look at Hitlers Armed Forces (February 26, 2011) and Black Nazis, a Study of Racial Ambivalence in National Socialist Germany’s Military Establishment talked about freemasonry, communism and some of Lawrence Dennis ideas.

Deanna Spingola and V.K. Clark - 08 / 16 / 2011 - Veronica Clark talked about China's and Korea's tributary system, which is relevant to understanding Adolf Hitler's goals for Europe as well as the US's foreign mis-policy towards North Korea today.

Deanna Spingola and V.K. Clark - 07 / 20 / 2011 - Veronica Clark talks about three books – Who Financed Hitler by James and Suzanne Pool, Sidney Warburg's fraud, Hitler's Secret Backers and Lawrence Dennis' The Dynamics of War and Revolution.

Deanna Spingola and V.K. Clark - 06 / 20 / 2011 - Veronica Clark talks about Hitler’s war against Freemasonry, the Reichstag fire and the legality of the Enabling Act. Additionally, she discusses who financed Hitler in the early years, and the Nazi fluoride myth.

Deanna Spingola and V.K. Clark - May 26, 2011 - Debunking Myths about Adolf Hitler and the National Socialists, and Exposing the Communist Infiltration which Defeated Germany in World War II.


Deanna Spingola and V.K. Clark, author of the book "Warwolves of the Iron Cross, Hitler, and the National Socialists". They discuss how the Germans, under Hitler, had the most racially diverse or "cosmopolitan" armed forces in the world, perhaps in history, and other little known facts. Aired: April 18th, 2011


Deanna Spingola and her guest historian and author Veronica Kuzniar Clarkk cut through the propaganda, disinformation and mythology about Hitler, the NSDAP and the False Flags Events (or alleged false flags) that led to the start of World War II - 06 / 16 / 2011


Demystification of the Birth and Funding of the NSDAP - Veronica Clark


Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity? - Veronica Clark


Rudolf Hess and test pilot Hanna Reitsch, Feb 1939

What was daily life in Germany like during the Hitler years ? Here's direct documentary proof that having freed itself from the usurocracy, Germany was prospering and thriving while the USA, England and the rest of Europe were stuck in an almost endless depression :

A Perfect German Sunday - 1937

Dresden Before the Destruction 1939
Dresden unzerstört 1939 - YouTube

Sommersonntag in Berlin 1942 - Summer Sunday in Berlin 1942
Sommersonntag in Berlin 1942 - YouTube

Officially published nude books that would never have been published in the censored U.S.A. at that time:

Third Reich Nude Books:









“The authority of the State can never be an end in itself; for, if that were so, any kind of tyranny would be inviolable and sacred. If a government uses the instruments of power in its hands for the purpose of leading a people to ruin, then rebellion is not only the right but also the duty of every individual citizen.” ~Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

The Myth Of German Culpability - The 2nd World War - The True Sequence Of Aggression By Michael Walsh


And , oh yeah, despite the Nuremberg racial laws which did not allow non-Aryans full German citizenship (they were limited to the skilled trades with a 3 year apprenticeship after junior high school), Third Reich Germany still did not have segregation which most of the USA practiced at that time with their Jim Crow laws:

"The fact that all of my classmates had become card-carrying members of the Hitlerjugend had in no way affected our relationship. Those who were close to me before they joined the Jungvolk remained so afterward. We continued to play and have fun together and visit each other's homes as if nothing had changed." -- Hans Massaquoi, "Destined to Witness: Growing Up Black in Notsee Germany," page 103 (even in an anti-Hitler propaganda book this guy was forced to admit many times that the average Germans he knew did not discriminate against him as result of being dedicated Hitler followers)

"He (Morell) also went from door to door passing out copies of virulently anti-Semitic Not-See literature. Parteigenosse (party comrade) Morell accepted unquestioningly his party's doctrine that Jews are the root of all evil, although I doubt seriously that in our blue-collar environment he ever knowingly met a Jew face-to-face, let alone was harmed by one. At the same time, he was totally color blind and exhibited a curious case of schizophrenia where I was concerned. For some inexplicable reason, his bigoted thinking did not extend to me. On the contrary, as the closest buddy of Karl, I was included in most of the Morells' activities and treated almost like a member of the family. To the dismay of my mother, who had come by her loathing of Not-Sees honestly, I had become a virtual fixture in the home of the biggest Not-See on the block."

"A few days before the opening of the games, Karl Morell startled me with sensational news. His father was taking him, his older brother, Hans, and several neighborhood boys on a one-week trip to Berlin, and if my mother would give her permission--and come up with the train fare and a few extra marks spending money--I was welcome to come along. At first, my mother was dead set against letting me go. But when I convinced her by way of a two-hour hunger strike that my life might as well be over if I couldn't go to Berlin, she agreed to have a chat with Herr and Frau Morell to learn more about the trip. After a lengthy discussion with the Morells, during which they assured her that I would be in good hands and that there was no better way for a boy to spend part of the school summer holidays than to see the nation's capital and the Olympic Games, my mother relented.

"On the morning of our departure, our group of about ten boys from the neighborhood, some in Hitler Youth uniforms, each loaded down with heavy backpacks and canteens, journeyed by Hochbahn to hamburg's Central Station. Before boarding a D-Zug (express train) for Berlin, Herr Morell had us fall in and stand at attention like an SS honor guard for a snappy military briefing on what to do and what no to do on the trip. For the occasion, he, too, carried a backpack, but although he did not wear his Amtswalter uniform, his plished brown riding boots and britches left no doubt about his Not-See Party membership.

The train was packed, mostly with schoolchildren who, like us, were venting their excitement by filling the air with deafening chatter and the occasional strains of a marching song. Listening to the cacophony and watching the landscape go by, I still found it difficult to believe that in a few hours I would be walking around our Reichshaupstadt (capital) Berlin, the city we kids had been taught to regard as the center of the universe.

When we arrived late at night at Berlin's famous Anhalter Bahnhof, we were hoarse from singing and dead tired. By the time we reached our youth hostel on the outskirts of the city, after a brief bus ride through Berlin's bustling night traffic and a quick look at the famous Brandenburg Gate and the Funkturm, Berlin's answer to Paris's Eiffel Tower, we were ready to hit the sack. But before we were allowed to go to sleep on the inviting mattresses that lined the walls of an attic dormitory, Herr Morell reminded us that we were breathing the same Berlin air as our beloved Fuhrer, and made us render the Not-See salute. The very idea of the Fuhrer's proximity gave me goose pimples that didn't go away until I was soundly asleep."

~ excerpts from "Destined to Witness, Growing Up Black in Notsee Germany" by Hans Massaquoi

"German racialism has been deliberately distorted. It never was an anti-"other race" racialism. It was a pro-German racialism. It was concerned with making the German race strong and healthy in every way. Hitler was not interested in having millions of degenerates, if it was in his power not to have them. Today one finds rampant alcohol and drug addiction everywhere. Hitler cared that the German families be healthy, cared that they raise healthy children for the renewal of a healthy nation. German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble idea. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves.

That was demonstrated when the Waffen SS enlarged its ranks to include 60,000 Islamic SS. The Waffen SS respected their way of fife, their customs, and their religious beliefs. Each Islamic SS battalion had an imam, each company had a mullah. It was our common wish that their qualities found their highest expression. This was our racialism. I was present when each of my Islamic comrades received a personal gift from Hitler during the new year. It was a pendant with a small Koran. Hitler was honoring them with this small symbolic gift. He was honoring them with what was the most important aspect of their lives and their history. National Socialist racialism was loyal to the German race and totally respected all other races."

General Léon Degrelle of the Waffen SS


Epic Story of the Waffen SS - Leon Degrelle


Campaign In Russia: The Waffen SS on the Eastern Front - Leon Degrelle


Lets stop with the Auschwitz lies

This was a work camp:



Crash course on the holohoax for newbies:

One Third of the holocaust (full)


alternate link (they get deleted very often):


Last Days of the Big Lie



David Cole at Auschwitz



The holocaust Unveiled - the Persecution of the Revisionists



Real Deal with Jim Fetzer - Ernst Zundel Interview - August 03, 2012 - Ernst Zundel was arrested on a minor visa violation in the U.S., deported to Canada, imprisoned in solitary confinement and denied bail for 2 years while awaiting trial and eventually extradited to Germany, where he was convicted of thought crimes and imprisoned for another 5 years. Today, 7 years later, Zundel is free from prison in Germany but cannot see his wife, due to the fact that he is denied a passport and there is a warrant out for his wife's arrest, not just in Germany but in all 27 states of the EU, for running his website. Zundel's lawyer, Sylvia Stolz was also sentenced to 3 and a half years in prison and disbarred for life merely for defending her client in a 'truth-is-no-defense' trial. Being in Germany, of course, Zundel is not allowed to discuss the holohoax or he goes back to prison. In this two-hour-long discussion, Zundel relates the history of his 3 decade long struggle for free speech, freedom of historical inquiry and revision, and the insanity of prosecuting people for their thoughts:

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As usual what we have been told is basically an inversion of the truth, from what I understand Hitler did an Iceland, and kicked out all the 'Jewish/Zionist' bankers, which is how he managed to get Germany out of the dire monetary situation it was subjected to after WW1. Obviously this did not go down well, and the bankers declared war on Germany in 1933, they manipulated the Polish situation by massacring large numbers of Germans cut off in Poland after WW1 to force Germany into a war. The Jewish situation was also manipulated into the creation of Israel, leave that for you to work out. Incidentally there were, I believe, 1.7million missing German soldiers after the war, the majority of whom were starved to death by the Americans in barbed wire enclosures.
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the headline of the express states all israel unites . how can this be when israel wasnt created till 1947?
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Wow what a post synergetic, practically everything one needs to know, and all wrapped up in one post. With speaking truth comes persecution We're living under a Jewish narrative post war, where we only ever here one side of the story (often based on outright lies, faslifications, and atrocity propaganda I'll add) there can be little doubt about that anymore.
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the headline of the express states all israel unites . how can this be when israel wasnt created till 1947?
You might want to look into the distinction between a nation and a state.
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Isn't it true that Hitler spent a long time in London in his 20s? What was he doing there, or more to the point, who financed the trip/living expenses?

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The Japanese regime were brutal to their enemies, the regime were religious fanatics that instilled a 'divine rule' ideology same as the Nazis have. The scientific method went straight out the window and all was sacrificed for their emperor. You can argue about the behavior towards these 2 regimes by Western powers before the war started and the provocations that occurred, but in the end I'm glad the 2 fanatical regimes lost the war. Still today rationality is a minority and people pick the most exotic answers over the scientific method. (lizards, aliens, everything is a cover-up etc). But rationality and science is slowly progressing forward and constantly changes our world.
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Well there was the Joel Brand incident where it was alleged that the Nazis offered to free one million jews in Hungary, in exchange for 10,000 trucks, but Britian refused becuase it would "lead to an offer to unload an even greater number of Jews on our hands."

Some businesses, such as IBM, definitely had dealings with the Third Reich. Henry Ford was also a strong Anti-Semite. There were also supporters of the Nazis early on, research the German American Bund.

Also bear in mind the number of Russians and Japanese killed in WW2 makes the actual holocaust seem small.
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The Japanese regime were brutal to their enemies, the regime were religious fanatics that instilled a 'divine rule' ideology same as the Nazis have. The scientific method went straight out the window and all was sacrificed for their emperor. You can argue about the behavior towards these 2 regimes by Western powers before the war started and the provocations that occurred, but in the end I'm glad the 2 fanatical regimes lost the war. Still today rationality is a minority and people pick the most exotic answers over the scientific method. (lizards, aliens, everything is a cover-up etc). But rationality and science is slowly progressing forward and constantly changes our world.
Science is just another religion.

Rationality is rarely found aywhere, and rarely among scientists.
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I would also like to thank synergetic for taking the time to write thast post with lots of revisionist/sceptic links.

Hopefully open-minded people unfamiliar with this information will benefit.
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Old 26-05-2013, 01:07 AM   #14
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Thanks to everyone who took an interest and replied--especially Synergetic67. Although I am already familiar with many issues raised, there were a few I have limited knowledge on such as the nature of the inflation and hyper-inflation in Germany both during the war and in the Weimar period: I recently finished Golo Mann's history of Germany since 1789 and he gives an infuriating lack of information about it. (Perhaps the fact that he later lived and worked in America might suggest something).

I understand the underlying goodness and integrity of those interested in revisionist history and those who wish to make plain to the masses that our perceptions of Hitler and national socialism are deliberately twisted to suit other agendas. I also know that it is an arduous and often lonely road to take, therefore your integrity cannot be denied.

I will say though that you must be careful not to let your condemnation of the powers that destroyed the Reich vindicate Hitler and his regime completely: just because one side was wrong doesn't leave the other completely in the right. It is a massive subject and don't wish to list every fault or short coming of Nazi Germany, but I will mention two things that Hitler should be criticized for.

Slavs: He had an unforgivable attitude to Slavs. "Let us not hesitate to call them slaves", or words to that affect he uttered at the start of 'Barbarossa'.
An entirely different outcome to the conflict might have been if he could have acted more like Alexander towards the Baltic Slavs and Ukranians instead of earning their enmity through exploitation.
Britain: He knew well that Britain, whether ruled by Jews or not, cannot tolerate a Germany that extends from the Rhine to the Ural mountains. Such a state will dominate all Europe and eventually leave Britain about as significant as it was in the days the Caesars. Therefore in not restraining himself during his own tenure he led Germany into a war the aims of which might have been achieved by peaceful means by one of his eventual predecessors.

You may disagree and I know these things can lead to endless discussion, but they are just a couple of points that often spring to my mind when contemplating the Germans.
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Arrow Germans says monopoly controllers get out

This is the one talks to me!

19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, be replaced by a German common law.

Roman Law = Masons

World Order = WO

New World Order = NWO

Nothing changed yet!

1) Germans are sick of monopoly controls.

2) Germans says monopoly controllers get out.

3) Jewish people declare economical War on Germany March 24, 1933

4) Germans finding out about the back-door deal the Brits & Jewish made to stab Germany in the back; used later to get America into the War.

Note the date:
Announcing the Balfour Declaration
Though the Balfour Declaration went through several drafts, the final version was issued on November 2, 1917, in a letter from Balfour to Lord Rothschild, president of the British Zionist Federation. The main body of the letter quoted the decision of the October 31, 1917 British Cabinet meeting.

Read this very carefully: http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Thank you be happy and love Jewish people trying to destroy Germany at large.............. Which are clearly by there own doing made themselves a dangers enemy towards any German & the country itself!

So did Germans protect there interests against Jewish people in particular or did they protected & reacted towards a self made enemy towards Germany at-large?

Would this give the right to kill some Jewish people ..... Well its war & war creates death on all sides ...... 1 + 1 = 2
So why Jewish people started the War in the first place.

First playing the big bully but cant take the beating ....... well that's what the logical mind was created for to estimate course and effect issues.

First play the big bully then play the victim ..... so original.

6) Same nice smart Jewish people would not warn there own?? Jewish people to better get out of Germany before making such War declaration on all Germans???

7) Germans logically could not trust one Jewish person staying in Germany. ( Logical National security issues. )

8) Germans have no choice if the Jewish do not like to leave to place them into controlled conditions.

9) Rest is history. Truth & lies!

10) What logical reasons for the responsible Jewish people involved to lie about the 6,000,000 death figure (agenda reasons?) & 1995 it gets reduced by the Jewish people themselves down to 3,000,000 so far.

So if they have the guts to declare War on Germany; then they should also have the guts to take the consequence of there own peoples actions!

If as THEY say that Germans hate the Jewish & like to see them all dead; why bother & wasting resources & heavy duty logistics to give Jewish people free accommodation first.

Just kill them wherever they walk if the Jewish story meant to be believed the way Jewish people represented it to all???

Most of the Jewish story's are to bend to make logical sense out of anything they produced after the WWII & still promoting these days!

An those which are screaming the loudest Holocaust, Holocaust having there own Holocaust creation these days......
Freaking lying victim playing hypocrites which could never be believed or trusted for anything.

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Also one logical question needs to be ask!

What is wrong with these Hebrew Jewish people throughout history?

Why are they getting kicked out of every place they setting foot in?

So the Jewish will say because they all hate them?????

Well Hate needs a source to be created before anyone hates anything!!! Fact of human reaction!

If everyone would have hated them up front; country's in the past would have blocked there entry before they would even get into a country in the first place.

So as always 1 + 1 = 2

But it appears that usury & lies are the number one reason for most of these historical incidence!!

Oh the Jewish will say they hated because the got Jesus on the cross.

Sorry to say but this is one more super big lie from all Jewish people towards the entire World population!

The Jewish Hebrews never nailed any Jesus to any cross ... ONE MORE ROTTEN LIE!!! ..... read your books and understand reality who & what Jesus is and stands for!

So my conclusion is the major course & reasons for them to be disliked are there rotten lies about everything!!

Also one thing convinced me clearly about there dirty arrogant ways & got confirmed through there latest comment against the entire world.

If we don't get something we will take the entire World down with us!

Well you historical hated group of people ..... you are doing a absolutely great job to be hated for reasons your Jewish leaders are the total course of!

You should remove such Evil crazy moronic people within your own leading ranks!!

So don't blame others if they create hate towards arrogant comments like this.

And the other shit about a G-d gave your type of people a special peace of dirt on earth is another lie coming from totally brainless individuals in your community.

The Jewish people themselves have to clean-up there own people. But going against the entire World is more then just arrogant, stupid & moronic in nature!!!

So I call on the normal good Jewish people to prove there are good normally thinking Jewish people.
You have to prove it to the world; you can not relay on the believe of others to presume there are some good normal thinking Jewish persons ......
You have to Prove it through your own personal actions!!

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