Lostprophets star held on child sex charges

[chipstyxx]

Originally Posted by morning

And this other band member says he's seen "all the videos", then pulling a very akward / sullen face, changing the subject...
Seems grounds enough to bring him in for questioning, really.

Not really. It's all quite debatable as to what they knew and what they didn't. They could be referring to the videos he put online with consenting adults. Remember all the 'celebs' in the Savile years that said they'd heard stories about what he was into but didn't tell the police?

Having an inkling that someone is peverted is not grounds for any charge or questioning. If they'd seen him watch child porn....then that's different, as they'd have witnessed something illegal.

[dystopian_future]

Originally Posted by rj macready

I really don't understand why people like cybersurf aren't pulled up on saying things like "is the rock world full of gays" on a thread that is about horrible child abuse.
Insinuating that being homosexual is wrong and trying to blur the lines between being gay and someone who rapes children is irresponsible and stupid.

Agreed. I can only suggest that cybersurf is homophobic, irresponsible and stupid. He's clearly equating homosexuality with paedophilia otherwise why the constant posts and inferences about homosexuality? Some paedophiles might be into girls, some might be into boys, some might not care too much either way, but it's completely wrong to say all homosexuals are paedophiles and that's what equating homosexuality with paedophilia by linking the two does.

Sometimes some opinions are so far out that it's just better not to engage with them. Not everyone is rational and reasonable.

It's quite simple. Sex between consenting adults = fine. It's their business and they shouldn't be demonised or treated as being equal to paedophiles. Adult/child sex = wrong. It really couldn't be much simpler.

Edit - Sorry, didn't mean to derail the thread from this piece of trash Watkins but the homophobes really annoy the hell out of me. I wonder if the guy from Steps has considered changing his name yet?

[3point5]

Originally Posted by morning

Would you be as comfortable listening to this music openly around other people? Can you imagine the kind of responses you'd get? Not so positive I imagine. You'd probably be informed that you're listening to music created by a convicted child rapist, and that is actually quite poor taste considering the acts he's engaged in & the victims involved.

I had two friends over at the time. We spoke about the case, we enjoyed the music. We are old enough to be able to separate the two things you see. We understand that the music and his sexual interests are two very different things. And we can enjoy one, without agreeing with the other.

Originally Posted by morning

I would say that what this man has done, does actually put an end this music being any good. I also think people should have serious concerns about the other members of this group, with regards to what knowledge they had.

I would strongly disagree. I judge music on the technical skill, or if not, how the music makes me feel. I enjoy their music, so I'm not going to stop listening to it. I think you should be very careful what accusations you throw around at his band members without even so much as an inkling of proof.

[dystopian_future]

Originally Posted by chipstyxx

Well another angle seems to be that he was a 'nice boy' who was transformed by an addiction to internet porn. So some people may use this case to further the agenda for internet censorship. I really am curious as to what they would find if they did a brain scan on this guy, psychopath would go some way to explain it!

He's Ted Bundy with a taste for paedophilia rather than murder!

[serpenterrific]

Originally Posted by strikeback

Also bear in mind that Peaches Geldof was herself linked last year to Alasteir Crowley's O.T.O "satanic sex cult" :-

Rest assured, anything that calls the O.T.O a sex cult is totally wrong from the very start.

[hayed joe]

http://www.nme.com/news/lostprophets/74117

Steps singer Ian 'H' Watkins (pictured above) has said he is consulting his lawyers after his picture was mistakenly used in an online article about convicted paedophile, Lostprophets frontman Ian Watkins (pictured below).

Entertainment website E! Online incorrectly published a photograph of the Steps singer (known to fans as H) in a story about the former Lostprophets singer, who on Wednesday pleaded guilty to 13 sexual offences, including two of attempting to rape a baby. Two female co-defendants, who cannot be named, also admitted to numerous child sex offences. Read the full story here and the further details here.

In a statement, H's management said he was "deeply upset" at being linked to the case, BBC Newsbeat reports. "Clearly he has nothing whatsoever to do with this matter and E! online has confirmed that it used a photograph of Ian "H" Watkins by mistake."

E! Online has apologised for mistakenly using a photograph of the incorrect person in the report. "E! Online deeply regrets originally publishing an image of Ian 'H' Watkins of the band Steps, rather than Ian Watkins of Lostprophets, and the error was corrected immediately," a spokeswoman said. "We are investigating the matter and will take appropriate action."

He added: "Additionally, E! Online has reached out to Ian 'H' Watkins, via his management, to apologise directly."

The image was taken down after his management intervened, however the singer faced abuse on Twitter and Facebook. Ian 'H' Watkins, knows to Steps fans as H, thanked fans for their support on his Facebook page.

About time too!
Fucking E! Entertainment nonsense!

[truthspoon]

Originally Posted by serpenterrific

Rest assured, anything that calls the O.T.O a sex cult is totally wrong from the very start.

Ahhh, so you have an agenda... I was wondering what your bias was.

[serpenterrific]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

Ahhh, so you have an agenda... I was wondering what your bias was.

Yes, I'm an avid opponent of disinformation.

You've found me out!

[3point5]

Well, the two girls names are public. The childs name and photos are public. KVB had previously been done by the police. It all comes out now eh!

[annieapple]

I've never heard their music so I am not going start to. But Wagner and Orff are still played aren't they?

[dystopian_future]

Originally Posted by annieapple

I've never heard their music so I am not going start to. But Wagner and Orff are still played aren't they?

Lewis Carroll pretty much salvaged his career too. Still a very popular author. I think you have to seperate the art from the artist, where possible. Or, in this case, the crap music from the paedophile. A better example would be this.....if a scientist had been doing illegal experiments and happened upon a cure for cancer you wouldn't just lock him up and destroy his cure. You would lock him up and use his cure. Actually, in this world he'd probably be made chief officer of a think tank, given further funding to increase his tests, and then have his history airbrushed so that he's made out to be the saviour of all humankind. His cure would probably be suppressed because the life prolonging current medicines are more profitable. Bit cynical possibly but the logic is the same. Seperate the person's personal morality from their work.

[onelifestand]

Originally Posted by njal

http://youtu.be/THumayDY8bA?t=6m18s

6:20 ish:

"Baby Girl asks: what's your guilty pleasure?"

"*Laughs* You just answered it"

Then a band mate says something like "I'll pretend I didn't hear that".

Blimey, the Police should definetly question the other band member who repeats the question. The way he initially smiles and cocks his eyebrow, then immediately looks to the floor either knew what was going on, or is fucking guilty.

I fear anyone who thinks the other band members were oblivious will turn out to be wrong.

[annieapple]

Originally Posted by dystopian_future

Lewis Carroll pretty much salvaged his career too. Still a very popular author. I think you have to seperate the art from the artist, where possible. Or, in this case, the crap music from the crap musician. A better example would be this.....if a scientist had been doing illegal experiments and happened upon a cure for cancer you wouldn't just lock him up and destroy his cure. You would lock him up and use his cure. Actually, in this world he'd probably be made chief officer of a think tank, given further funding to increase his tests, and then have his history airbrushed so that he's made out to be the saviour of all humankind. His cure would probably be suppressed because the life prolonging current medicines are more profitable. Bit cynical possibly but the logic is the same. Seperate the person's personal morality from their work.

I agree. We all benefit from Nazi medical experiments, whether we want to believe it or not. I wonder what people have done with their copies of 'Tie me kangaroo.....such a classic would surely be missed.

[picklez01]

I wonder how much fame messes with people's heads?

You have tons of money, can control almost anyone easily with money. Naturally become narcissistic. You are worshiped like some sort of demigod by thousands/millions of people.

Just look at people like Donald Trump, Alan Sugar, Bieber, etc etc. They are absolutely bonkers people yet they are praised and worshiped.

Obviously doesn't explain baby rape, but perhaps it contributed in some way...

[onelifestand]

"what was the best thing about today"

Watkins: "Kids... (then you almost hear the cogs turning in his brain)..and women"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJGbQ...80-DJY&index=1

[dystopian_future]

Originally Posted by annieapple

I agree. We all benefit from Nazi medical experiments, whether we want to believe it or not. I wonder what people have done with their copies of 'Tie me kangaroo.....such a classic would surely be missed.

Agreed. Germany lost, fascism won. Hyperbole perhaps, but also true on many levels.

"Oh, you were an SS private. Jail for you."
"But this guy on the other hand was a psychologist/social scientist for the nazis and experimented on torturing and breaking the psyche of people. We'll set you up in Princeton or Harvard or somewhere and have you working off the books for the CIA."

The mainstream partly adopts everything it defeats.

[dystopian_future]

Originally Posted by picklez01

I wonder how much fame messes with people's heads?

You have tons of money, can control almost anyone easily with money. Naturally become narcissistic. You are worshiped like some sort of demigod by thousands/millions of people.

Just look at people like Donald Trump, Alan Sugar, Bieber, etc etc. They are absolutely bonkers people yet they are praised and worshiped.

Obviously doesn't explain baby rape, but perhaps it contributed in some way...

Definitely. Ego + Paedophilic tendencies (and tendencies towards lots of "dark" or "evil" behaviour by the sounds of it) + Drugs (probably) + Sycophants + A Large Amount Of Self-Destruction. Some people are just sadistic and get thrills out of degenerate behaviour. A small percentage of the population are like this (majorly sociopathic and sadistic) and I'm not sure if there's any way back from it (or even if there ever should be). I like to think people are redeemable and can change their lives but this kind of thing would (almost) make death penalty advocates of even the most liberal.

The cult of celebrity is totally unsound. Most people aren't built for that sort of mass exposure. It would drive me daft, never knowing if people were just using me to get famous, get money, or had an idealised unrealistic vision of me. It would be even weirder to be famous but have no major talent, like a X factor winner or reality TV show winner. People always wanting to intrude in your life. Your picture all over the place. People writing about you all the time and being either unfairly harsh or sickeningly sycophantic. Then once the glare of Simon's publicity machine wears off you'd have nothing to sustain interest in you (just when you've adjusted and got addicted to the fame).

Anonymous and rich is the way to go. A writer under a pen name.

Of course, no one is going to think Ian Watkins, that guy that sings in that band Lost Prophets any more. Well, they might, but it won't be the first association that goes through their head.

[chipstyxx]

Originally Posted by 3point5

Well, the two girls names are public. The childs name and photos are public. ...... It all comes out now eh!

The names have been public and you can find them if you look... But it's against the law now to mention them or repeat them, so be careful

There are people saying Peaches Geldof did a good thing by naming the mothers but the law is there for the victims. If they have gone to live with family members and still have the same surname, people publicising their name is not a good thing, the wider family and the victims don't deserve that.

[djhooker]

Originally Posted by brightskybydawn

You say they have evidence against him, just because they denied him bail?
lol, they only denied him bail because he's being charged with pedo claims.

Do you have proof that you've met him many times?
Calling someone a Grade A prick wow your boss you.

What evidence do they have? as you seem to know more
about this than anyone.. I still don't care. I believe he's Innocent

I'm a huge fan of Lost Prophets and nothing will change my mind

lol i wonder how this dumbass feels now? i guess we'll never know...

[picklez01]

Originally Posted by dystopian_future

The cult of celebrity is totally unsound. Most people aren't built for that sort of mass exposure. It would drive me daft, never knowing if people were just using me to get famous, get money, or had an idealised unrealistic vision of me. It would be even weirder to be famous but have no major talent, like a X factor winner or reality TV show winner. People always wanting to intrude in your life. Your picture all over the place. People writing about you all the time and being either unfairly harsh or sickeningly sycophantic. Then once the glare of Simon's publicity machine wears off you'd have nothing to sustain interest in you (just when you've adjusted and got addicted to the fame).

I'd like to think, if I became rich I'd feel too ashamed to buy big houses and nice cars in a world with so much suffering. I would try and help people where it was needed most, build water wells where people do not have access to water.

Difficult to be sure though. Money seems to do very strange things to people.