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Old 15-09-2013, 10:53 AM   #75321
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Foreign royalty too. Interesting.

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Old 15-09-2013, 11:09 AM   #75322
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ALLEGED CHILD ABUSE - MICHAEL LE VELL

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Old 15-09-2013, 11:11 AM   #75323
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Foreign royalty too. Interesting.
El Yamamah arms deals/Thatcher/Bandar/Persia/Chieftain Tanks/Leeds
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Old 15-09-2013, 11:34 AM   #75324
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If he's telling the truth then he is a victim - not of Savile directly but because of Savile. Are you then saying that all the people who have come forward with their experiences of Savile but who kept quiet at the time are c**ts?
That's not what I am saying.

Nowhere in that post does it mention that he was a victim, it says:

Last October, Guy told how his uncle ­regularly attended paedophile parties.

He revealed Savile even took him to ­ parties at the houses of showbiz pals when he was just 13.

Although he says he never saw any ­children being abused, he believed boys and girls as young as ten were targeted by ­perverts.


He never saw them being abused, this would imply that he wasn't abused, but he believed others were!

Yes..the guy is a C**T

And when people say "I am not doing it for the money" you can bet your bottom dollar most of them are.
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Old 15-09-2013, 11:55 AM   #75325
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I hope stays on it. Maybe also it's because some of the lamestream media have been reading this thread and are tired of being morons.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...=feeds-newsxml
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RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: Who gave Cyril Smith the keys to the sweet shop?


When the police launched the Jimmy Savile inquiry a year ago, I suggested they might just as well re-open the case of another novelty Northern nonce, Cyril Smith.

The rumours had been doing the rounds for decades. Word had it that, like Savile, he was protected by friends in high places.

Yesterday came confirmation. Smith, the elephantine Liberal MP for Rochdale, who died in 2010, was at it for years. But his serial abuse of young boys was covered up by police and MI5.

A file was found in a safe at Lancashire police headquarters naming at least eight of his victims. They describe being beaten, stripped, massaged and subjected to bizarre ‘chastisements’ and ‘hygiene inspections’ by the 29-stone Smith.

The file was handed to prosecutors in 1970 but went ‘missing’. It was discovered seven years later by a Special Branch detective, Tony Robinson. He told Channel 4’s Dispatches programme, broadcast last night, that when news of the file leaked out, he received a call from MI5 requesting that it be sent to London by special courier.

Another officer, Paul Foulston, says he was ordered by Special Branch not to pursue an investigation into the murder of an 18-year-old boy alleged to have been involved in a sexual relationship with Smith.

The assistant chief constable of Lancashire, Andy Rhodes, admits that Savile and Smith got away with it for years because people who had the opportunity to stop them chose to turn a blind eye.

It’s more serious than just turning a blind eye. What is being alleged is that senior police and security services officers were involved in a conspiracy to bury serious sex crimes, up to and including murder.

So can we now expect the Crown Prosecution Service to send for the files, interview Robinson and Foulston, and bring charges against any of the conspirators still alive?

Don’t hold your breath.

The CPS is only interested in celebrity collars, like Coronation Street’s Michael Le Vell, acquitted of child rape this week after having his life turned upside down for two years.

When it comes to those who facilitated the crimes of Savile and Smith, the police and the CPS don’t want to know. The pair of them preyed on children in care homes like chocoholics in a sweet shop.

Someone gave them access, someone allowed them to abuse young people in their charge.

Off the back of Savile, the police have been kicking down the doors of assorted DJs, comedians and TV weathermen. But there have been no charges brought against those who handed them the keys to hospital wards and special school dormitories.

Savile was given a free run at Stoke Mandeville and Broadmoor, where he was photographed with the Yorkshire Ripper. Yet no NHS manager or nurse has been called to account.

Nor has any senior BBC employee, past or present, been arrested, even though many stand accused of being complicit in Savile’s crimes on Corporation premises.

We already know that Savile’s drinking buddies in the Old Bill in Manchester and Leeds protected him. Now it’s claimed that the Funny People covered up for Cyril Smith, who was heavily involved in the negotiations to prop up Jim Callaghan’s Labour government with Liberal support.

Someone must have given the orders, maybe a senior politician still sitting in the House of Lords today. OK, so many of those involved are no longer with us. Others are very old. But Stuart Hall is 83 and that didn’t prevent him being brought to justice. Nazi war criminals have rightly been prosecuted, even though they were well into their 90s.

This column has never gone in for conspiracy theories. But the selective nature of the investigations into ‘historic’ crimes stinks to high heaven.

While that ambitious, hatchet-faced, bottle-blonde bird at the CPS gets to call a press conference every time a celeb is forced to walk the plank, other less well-known individuals are getting away scot free.

Meanwhile, Cyril Smith, like Jimmy Savile, remains dead.
Well said Troy.

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Old 15-09-2013, 12:05 PM   #75326
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Amazing how one (of many) rape and sexual offences case which resulted in an acquittal (as two thirds of them do) can induce this garbage to be written

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/429...w-and-disorder

If that piece isn't evidence of an agenda I don't know what is.
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:24 PM   #75327
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Old 15-09-2013, 12:29 PM   #75328
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Considering the vast amount of time and discussion devoted to Elm Guest House and all things related to it on the Savile thread it is certainly worthy of its own thread hence I've decided to finally create one.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256236
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Old 15-09-2013, 01:17 PM   #75329
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http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...avile-s-nephew


He said: “I have written a book based on all my experiences of my uncle from the age of 13. I couldn’t live with the guilt of knowing so much and staying silent any longer.

“Doing the book is not about money but me really wanting to tell people about the extent of his depravity.”

Lets hope he's made copies of his manuscripts then in case he "gets really depressed and does something silly"
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Old 15-09-2013, 02:00 PM   #75330
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Default smith, speight, harris et al

coleman has some very interesting things to report in relation to smith...also a really interesting new angle on the mark speight episode - with a possible link to rolf harris and paedo network at 'auntie'- also sheds a much needed light on a certain coroner named paul knapman.....do check it out!

http://thecolemanexperience.wordpres...re-connection/
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Old 15-09-2013, 02:01 PM   #75331
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Just been watching blackadder series one and in the last episode there is a character Sir Wilfred Death who is one of the six most evil men in Britain. The same Wilfred De'ath of Yewtree fame? A coincidence or another BBC inside joke?
I think the BBC do inside jokes all the time... we were watching an episode of a comedy show the other week... think it was Armstrong and Miller... and there was a spoof quiz show on there... at the end the winners were presented a huge cheque and the words 'Children in Need' were scribbled out and the name of the quiz put in...

It made me think that maybe some of the shows on the Beeb are funded with Children in Need money... well it must go somewhere
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Old 15-09-2013, 02:06 PM   #75332
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That Richard Littlejohn article in the Mail Troy posted is a good piece.

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"It’s more serious than just turning a blind eye. What is being alleged is that senior police and security services officers were involved in a conspiracy to bury serious sex crimes, up to and including murder.
So can we now expect the Crown Prosecution Service to send for the files, interview Robinson and Foulston, and bring charges against any of the conspirators still alive?
Don’t hold your breath.
The CPS is only interested in celebrity collars, like Coronation Street’s Michael Le Vell, acquitted of child rape this week after having his life turned upside down for two years".

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Old 15-09-2013, 02:21 PM   #75333
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Considering the vast amount of time and discussion devoted to Elm Guest House and all things related to it on the Savile thread it is certainly worthy of its own thread hence I've decided to finally create one.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256236
Great stuff. Opportunity to condense all the posts and get some order for clarity, further investigation, and to highlight the cover up too. Hope everyone here chips in with their thoughts when time and will allows.
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Explosive tell all book by Jimmy Savile's nephew

JIMMY SAVILE'S nephew is to ­reveal shocking details of how the DJ’s famous friends helped hide his decades of sex abuse.


By Ciaran Hannah/Published 15th September 2013

Guy Marsden, 59, is writing a book with broadcaster and author Tony Horne about his disgraced uncle.

Now Savile’s circle of celebrity pals are living in fear of being named in the book.

Guy will reveal fresh details of the secret paedophile parties the BBC star hosted, some attended by his showbiz friends.

He will claim that Savile had influential members of the British legal system in his back pocket to allow him to act without fear of prosecution.

And he will also expose Savile’s secret links with members of foreign royal families – suggesting he could have abused countless victims from overseas.

Roofer Guy from Leeds, West Yorks, ­decided to write the book after staying silent for years over the Jim’ll Fix It star’s ­ shameful secret life.

He said: “I have written a book based on all my experiences of my uncle from the age of 13. I couldn’t live with the guilt of knowing so much and staying silent any longer.

“Doing the book is not about money but me really wanting to tell people about the extent of his depravity.”

The dad-of-four added: “Even if only one person buys the book it means it will be on the record. I think his victims have a right to know.

“I have names of all the famous and ­powerful people he used to mix with.

“Many of them are celebrities but others are names from other backgrounds who I believe were implicit in allowing him to act in the way he did.”

He continued: “Jimmy was very ‘in’ with ­foreign royalty, which nobody is aware of.

“It is possible many of his victims could have come from abroad.

“It will be an explosive book and I know a lot of people will be very worried that I am writing it.”

Last October, Guy told how his uncle ­regularly attended paedophile parties.

He revealed Savile even took him to ­ parties at the houses of showbiz pals when he was just 13.

Although he says he never saw any ­children being abused, he believed boys and girls as young as ten were targeted by ­perverts.

Guy, who has ten grandchildren with his wife Anne, previously said neither he nor his family wanted money from their uncle’s estate. “I’ve written the book purely to set the record straight,” he added

A joint police and NSPCC report published in January declared that, with at least 450 victims, Savile, who died in 2011 aged 84, was one of Britain’s most prolific sex offenders.

Metropolitan Police Commander Peter Spindler said Savile “groomed the nation” by raising millions for charity while using his status as a platform for abuse.

In July police discovered the names and ­sexual details of hundreds of girls scrawled across a wall of a Manchester record shop.

Savile was thought to have used a room above the store as a secret HQ to plan his vile acts.

Horne, 42, ghostwriter for Tango 190 – the story of late PC David Rathband who was shot by fugitive Raoul Moat – confirmed he had received a manuscript from Guy.

He said: “I’ve got his first draft and am ­going through it with him.

“As you can imagine it is pretty revelatory and will need careful editing.

“Obviously, I can’t reveal any names ­mentioned at this stage.

“Some are household names known to ­millions.

“There will be a lot of worried people out there fearing this book coming out.”
Another bit of good news. Dont like the careful editing bit.

Im not sure, could be wrong, his foreign royalty links have been probed in all that much detail before? Sure its been looked at, from memory, but sounds like there could be more in this than we know, at least according to the nephew.

He did do 'more for this country than most will ever know', according to Charles!

re. the 'influential members of the legal system' in his back pocket...got me wondering also if he 'got on well' with Colin Peters? Just a thought.
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Old 15-09-2013, 03:22 PM   #75334
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Harvey proctor was a bit of a joke in the 80s. Maybe that partly helped provide cover. Proctor's sexual proclivities were apparently widely known in political circles. His name was constantly used in satire.
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Old 15-09-2013, 03:26 PM   #75335
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Harvey proctor was a bit of a joke in the 80s. Maybe that partly helped provide cover. Proctor's sexual proclivities were apparently widely known in political circles. His name was constantly used in satire.
Partially because of his surname I suspect.

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Old 15-09-2013, 03:54 PM   #75336
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Foreign royalty too. Interesting.
Narrow choice of possibilities too - doubt Savile had any links with the Far East monarchies, so it's either Scandinavia, Belgium or Holland. My guess would be one or both of the latter two.
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Partially because of his surname I suspect.

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This bit from the sweetie shop piece - have we seen and looked into the murder of this boy before?


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...otel-room.html

Two Coronation Street stars investigated after claims they were 'caught in bed with two young girls in hotel room'
Police speak to witness over alleged incident at 7am one morning in 2008
It's claimed two actors were seen with two girls aged between ten and 12
Revelation comes days after Michael Le Vell was acquitted of child rape


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PUBLISHED: 10:23, 15 September 2013 | UPDATED: 10:23, 15 September 2013

Two Coronation Street stars were caught in bed with two underage girls in a hotel room, it was claimed last night.

Police are probing the alleged incident in 2008 and have spoken twice to a witness, who told officers that he saw two actors from the ITV1 soap in a bed at 7am with two girls aged between ten and 12.

The revelation of the Greater Manchester Police investigation comes just days after Michael Le Vell, 48, who plays mechanic Kevin Webster in the soap, was acquitted of child rape charges on Tuesday.

A source close to the witness told The Sun on Sunday: ‘He didn't go to the police at the time because he's not one for fuss. He also moved in showbiz circles and was worried about losing work.’

Officers are now expected to speak to hotel staff and look through CCTV footage - after interviewing the witness for a second time last Wednesday, the newspaper reported.

A police spokesman told MailOnline: ‘On September 2, police received a complaint from a third party relating to an alleged incident that took place around five years ago.

'Greater Manchester Police has a duty to investigate all reports that are made to police and enquiries into this complaint are ongoing but are still at a very early stage.'

A Coronation Street spokesman did not immediately return a request by MailOnline for comment.

Le Vell, who had an eight-day trial, met senior ITV producers on Thursday to discuss whether he will return to Coronation Street.

He has been suspended from the soap for the past two years.

His character, Kevin Webster, last appeared on screen in 2011, before supposedly flying to visit his sick father in Germany.

Bosses are reported to be lining him up for a return to the Street next year.

It would provide a major boost to viewing figures. It is understood Le Vell will be offered a one-year contract, though producers are keen not to sensationalise his sudden return.

Le Vell gets quite a mention in this article, which is about two un-named Corrie actors in bed with two 10 and 12 year old children, doesn't he.
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Old 15-09-2013, 06:14 PM   #75340
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Great stuff. Opportunity to condense all the posts and get some order for clarity, further investigation, and to highlight the cover up too. Hope everyone here chips in with their thoughts when time and will allows.


Another bit of good news. Dont like the careful editing bit.

Im not sure, could be wrong, his foreign royalty links have been probed in all that much detail before? Sure its been looked at, from memory, but sounds like there could be more in this than we know, at least according to the nephew.

He did do 'more for this country than most will ever know', according to Charles!

re. the 'influential members of the legal system' in his back pocket...got me wondering also if he 'got on well' with Colin Peters? Just a thought.
Jenar Sadhat Egypt's first lady was Gladys Cottrill (spelling - will check in a sec) who was born in Cairo and grew up to be a music teacher and yet knew Agnes Savile's mum from way back possibly Sheffield? - she married an egyptian surgeon and had Jenar who was obsessed by Sadhat as a reovultionry when she met him as a 15 year old. This is all well known about and isn't foreign royalty really.

What was the name of the Mexborough chapel o nthe thames where all the exiled catholic royalty got married?
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