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Old 09-08-2012, 08:12 AM   #1
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I only just found this very interesting Nazi propagand film, and was just wondering what folks here think of it?
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Old 09-08-2012, 08:50 PM   #2
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Forces occultes (Occult Forces - subtitled The mysteries of Freemasonry unveiled for the first time on the screen) is a French film of 1943, notable as the last film to be directed by Paul Riche (the pseudonym of Jean Mamy).


The film was commissioned in 1942 by the Propaganda Abteilung, a delegation of Nazi Germany's propaganda ministry within occupied France by the ex-Mason Mamy.




The phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend is a proverb that advances the concept that because two parties have a common enemy, they can work with each other to advance their common goals. Often described as an Arabic proverb, there is also an identical Chinese proverb...

Examples throughout history are common, such as longtime enemies Britain and France uniting against Germany during World War I, the Western capitalist democracies aiding the Soviet Union following the Nazi invasion during World War II, or U.S. support for anti-Communist dictatorships during the Cold War...

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is also thought to be the reasoning behind Albania's alignment with the Soviet Union after the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was expelled by the Soviet Union from Cominform in 1948. Then, again, in 1961, with Albania's re-alignment with China, after relations between Belgrade and Moscow had become friendly again during the Krushchev regime...


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Old 09-08-2012, 09:19 PM   #3
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"I don't want to get any messages saying, "I am holding my position." We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Germans do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his balls and kick the living shit out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose; like shit through a tin horn!"



"From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don't give a good Goddamn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Germans we will kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that."



All of the following men have been Freemasons.

George Washington
Benjamin Franklin
Paul Revere
John Hancock
9 signers of the Declaration of Independence.
Several of the Kings of England
Winston Churchill
James Mayer Rothschild, Financier
General Omar Bradley
General George S. Patton
General Douglas MacArthur
Buzz Aldrin, Astronaut
Charles Lindbergh, US Aviator
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (Sherlock Holmes authur)
Samuel L. Clemens (Mark Twain)
Alex Haley, author
John Wayne, Actor
Richard Bernard "Red Skelton", Comedian
Harpo Marx, Comedian
William Abbott of Abbott & Costello
Nat King Cole, pianist and singer
Mel Tillis, Country Singer
Duke Ellington, orchestra leader/composer
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Composer
Rev. Norman Vincent Peale
Will Rogers, American Philosopher
Roy Rogers, Actor
Booker T. Washington, educator
Walter Chrysler Founder of Chrysler Corporation
André Citroen Founder of Citroen Corporation, France
Fredrick Maytag, Industrialist
J.C. Penny, Merchant
Andy Adams, Colorado novelist and cowboy
Sugar Ray Robinson, boxing champion
Fourteen US Presidents
Several Supreme Court Justices

and the list goes on...............


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=96003...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-new-book.html[
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:23 PM   #4
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Now here comes the great musical thing called "hold your position"
Rasta, them style ya a just levelment Uncle seen
Hold me position, Just a hold me position
I ya, hold me position, just a hold me position
Go on, hold me position, just a hold me position


Just like Jesus Christ in the valley of decision
Devil come along and tru to deceive man through him
Got him plan from the older one
Him had to hold him position, had to hold him position yeh
Hold him position, had to hold him position


Well rhythm like this makes me and me daughter
Go down at the dance, bubble on the corner

When the rhythm is sweet, we a go hold tighter
Rub-adub like this makes you go one
So you hold your position
Say you hold you position aya
Hold your position, say hold your position

Things and time was a getting slow let off the rhythm
Let the good time roll
Don't bother go a slow and stay a back row
I man come to make the rhythm
Just a rock and flow, because me hold me position
Just a hold me position

Special request to 39 Acker Tree, Frontline, everyman on Kime
UB40 say come and rhyme
Yes, Daddy Stone, me in the dance hall style
So we really come to make it versatile
Because one of a kind we come to blow your mind
So you should hold you position
Yes, hold your position, aya
Hold your position, hold your position
Hold Your Position Stones

Skank steady, Skank Steady
I tell you rock the rhythm
You should skank down steady
You know you say, it heavier than lead
Kinda tougher than tough
You know that Jah, Jah covers
Since he stands over us

So hold your position
Hold your position
Move to the east, and you could a move to the west
Lyrics like this Jab know never go jest
Say chunk ice water say right to your chest
Intercity, outer city everywhere the best you better
Hold you position, just hold your position
Hold you position, say hold your position

Well rhythm like this is really so hot
Let off the vilse because a legal shot
Because we hold our position
Yes, we hold our position aya
Hold our position yes, hold our position

Hold on tight never let go
Tee, ta, tee, say them all in a row
Donkey want water, you should hold him
Joe hold on tight and never let go
Hold your position, just hold your position
Hold your position a ya, just hold your position
Wah dat, hold your position
I say hold your position settle hold your position John
Hold you position Aunty, hold your position

Say hold your position go on
Hold your position, tell them rhythm so crucial
Rhythm so nice like sugar, like a spice
Cause when we a come a dance give you rough, nough, choice

A youth like me should a drive Rolls Royce
Sugar my tea baby, you're irie thought the two of us
Will go to bed cosy

Just a hold me position, hold me position..

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Old 09-08-2012, 10:06 PM   #5
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Blame it on the malecraft masons
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:14 PM   #6
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:23 PM   #7
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Classic propaganda film making. Thanks for bringing this to the attention of the forum, this has a few implications I had not previously thought of.
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Old 09-08-2012, 10:26 PM   #8
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Classic propaganda film making. Thanks for bringing this to the attention of the forum, this has a few implications I had not previously thought of.
What kind of implications ?
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What kind of implications ?
Well I knew that the Nazis had implied that the Masons were a front for the Jewish plot to take over the world but I did not know that they railed against them to this point. Now in school we are generally taught that the Jew's were simply used as a handy scapegoat by a leader who had a personal vendetta against them... but this film would imply they saw them as a genuine threat to the political structure of the whole world with the means to attain 'Protocals' level of influence. For example every student of modern history will know about 'Jud Suss' but nothing about this type of propaganda.

And if we are to believe History Channel et al... then the Nazi's had links to numerous Occult organisations such and the Black Sun and various others with links to the Theosophical society and so on. So would this imply they were conduction esoteric warfare against others?

Plus.....what are we to make of the seemingly accurate depictions of the goings on at a Masonic Hall? Did the filmakers become masons to learn undercover, is that why film seems to break down in towards the end or what?

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Well I knew that the Nazis had implied that the Masons were a front for the Jewish plot to take over the world but I did not know that they railed against them to this point. Now in school we are generally taught that the Jew's were simply used as a handy scapegoat by a leader who had a personal vendetta against them... but this film would imply they saw them as a genuine threat to the political structure of the whole world with the means to attain 'Protocals' level of influence. For example every student of modern history will know about 'Jud Suss' but nothing about this type of propaganda.
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraudulent, antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for achieving global domination. It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies which were distributed throughout the United States in the 1920s.
Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were major proponents of the text: It was studied, as if factual, in German classrooms after the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, despite having been exposed as fraudulent years before. In the opinion of historian Norman Cohn, the Protocols was Hitler's primary justification for initiating the Holocaust — his "warrant for genocide."

The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world's economies. It is still widely available today, still presented, typically, as a genuine document, on the Internet and in print, in numerous languages.

Elements of the Protocols were plagiarized from Joly's fictional Dialogue in Hell, a thinly-veiled attack on the political ambitions of Napoleon III, who, represented by the non-Jewish character Machiavelli, plots to rule the world. Joly, a monarchist and legitimist, was imprisoned in France for 15 months as a direct result of his book's publication. Ironically, scholars have noted that Dialogue in Hell was itself a plagiarism, at least in part, of a novel by Eugene Sue, Les Mystères du Peuple (1849–1856)


Geneva Dialogues, p. 141:

Machiavelli.-"Like the God Vishnu, my press will have a hundred arms, and these arms will give their hands to all the different shades of opinion throughout the country."

Protocols, p. 43:

"These newspapers, like the Indian god Vishnu, will be possessed of hundreds of hands, each of which will be feeling the pulse of varying public opinion."

Geneva Dialogues, p. 207:

Montesquieu:-- "Now I understand the figure of the god Vishnu; you have a hundred [p. 14] arms like the Indian idol, and each of your fingers touches a spring.

Protocols, p. 65:

"Our Government will resemble the Hindu god Vishnu. Each of our hundred hands will hold one spring of the social machinery of State."


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And if we are to believe History Channel et al... then the Nazi's had links to numerous Occult organisations such and the Black Sun and various others with links to the Theosophical society and so on. So would this imply they were conduction esoteric warfare against others?
[Hitler] has more than once compared the rise of the new Movement to that of the early Catholic Church, thereby recognising the solid worldly capabilities of its organisers and of his fighters—even of its spiritual fighters—as a sine qua non condition of its development and triumph, at once and in the long run. It may seem somewhat unexpected—not to say somewhat irrelevant, when not absurd—to mention in this connection such a thing as the immemorial symbolism of colours. Still in that most powerful Church of the Dark Age, that National Socialism is out to combat and to crush, but the long worldly experience of which it was—and is, now and in the future—to meditate upon and to make use of, every ritual colour has its meaning. The Pope, Head of the faithful, is clad in white, recalling thereby the spiritual purity and lucidity of the Initiate—the Man “above Time,” whose other-worldly truth has been distorted and exploited in historical Christianity. The scarlet, purple, and gold of the high Church Dignitaries also symbolise states of advanced spirituality—the ideal towards which the Church is supposed to aspire. But the Church is an organisation of this earth—an organisation in Time. It is the militant hierarchy acting under the inspiration and orders of Dostoyevsky’s “Grand Inquisitor” “for the greatest glory of Christ” but surely not according to Christ’s wisdom, which is “not of this earth.” And its actual fighting forces—all its priests and nearly all its monks and nuns, who are its strength in the day to day struggle against all contrary (or rival) powers and its obvious witnesses among the people—are clad in black, the colour of this Age; at the most (as in the case of the Dominicans) in black and white—the colour of this Dark Age and of Light “above Time.”


It strikes me as an extremely eloquent fact that the Swastika, Symbol of Life and Health (Swasti, in Sanskrit) and Symbol of the Sun, which Adolf Hitler chose to place at the centre of the German flag—not to say of the Pan-Aryan flag, for Germany is to remain, in the light of the Hitler faith, the head of a Pan-Aryan Movement—was back upon a white background, nay, black upon a white disk, amidst a further scarlet surface. And this is all the more remarkable if one assumes that the Führer took his decision intuitively, without being aware of its meaning (which I, personally, however, do not believe).

It is, also, remarkable that, although the exigencies of war imposed the unconspicuous greyish-green (feldgrau) uniform upon the Waffen S.S., the elder S.S. organisation—the “allgemeine” S.S, entrusted with the inner defence of the régime—wore black—black, I repeat, the colour symbolising par excellence the Dark Forces, which can be crushed only through forces of a similar nature; the colour symbolising the harsh qualities “in Time” that the S.S. men were to put to the service of an ideal of Golden Age perfection.


Far from considering the black Swastika and the black raiment of the Knights of the new Faith as a “mistake from the standpoint of the Invisible”—still less as a “proof” of “black magic”—I see in them signs of an unfailing knowledge of the laws of action in Time; a knowledge at least as sound as that of the builders of the Catholic Church; a recognition of the fact that alone through qualities “in Time”—through those “Lightning” qualities that carry all agents of the Dark forces to success and all great men “in Time” to greatness—can a Movement triumph here and now, in this Dark Age; especially near the end of it, and especially a Movement against the spirit of it.

And, I repeat—for one cannot repeat it enough—had those capabilities and tendencies symbolised in the black Swastika upon the German flag and in the black uniform of the toughest defenders of National Socialism been displayed to their full, from the beginning, by the Man “against Time,” Adolf Hitler . . . it is more than probable that the National Socialist State would be lasting still.

But that was not to be, for the simple reason that I have already given—the reason which Adolf Hitler himself expressed, in his own way, to Hans Grimm, in 1928—namely that he, the Leader of the National Socialist Movement, was not “the Leader Who is to come”—i.e., the last Man “against Time”—but only the One-before-the-last; the one who was to do “the preparatory work” (die Vorarbeit) for the One Who will come after him.


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Savitri Devi Mukherji (September 30, 1905 — October 22, 1982) was the pseudonym of the Greek writer Maximiani Portas, who was a Nazi intelligence operative in India during World War II. She wrote about animal rights movements and was a leading light of the Nazi underground during the 1960s.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:29 AM   #12
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I found this propaganda film amazingly interesting!

At the start the man that the film centers on is a very powerfull orater (as Hitler himself was) but as the film progresses he is depicted as being quiet, even submissive.
Also the lodge scenes genuinely gave me the creeps! It was not just overly fake, but rather sinister in my opinion!
and when the man is being mithered by fellow "brothers" to help them out, he has tells his wife.
"I was even asked to help filthy tobacconists!"...which follow Hitlers pure hatred of cigarettes and smokers! (Hitler brought in Eurpoe's first smoking ban)

Anyway for thoes who have not got the time to sit and watch all of this (almost an hour!) please make some time!
Its a VERY interesting history lesson!
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Old 14-08-2012, 06:39 AM   #13
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The producer and director were executed after the war for making the film.
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The producer and director were executed after the war for making the film.
Wrong, he was executed for being a collaborator with the nazis, not for making this film. In most of Europe the most eager collaborators got executed.
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Interesting Film. Propoganda, but still interesting.
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The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a fraudulent, antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for achieving global domination. It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies which were distributed throughout the United States in the 1920s.
Brosnan In The Fourth Protocol Part 3 - YouTube
Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were major proponents of the text: It was studied, as if factual, in German classrooms after the Nazi Party came to power in 1933, despite having been exposed as fraudulent years before. In the opinion of historian Norman Cohn, the Protocols was Hitler's primary justification for initiating the Holocaust — his "warrant for genocide."

The Protocols purports to document the minutes of a late 19th-century meeting of Jewish leaders discussing their goal of global Jewish hegemony by subverting the morals of Gentiles, and by controlling the press and the world's economies. It is still widely available today, still presented, typically, as a genuine document, on the Internet and in print, in numerous languages.

Elements of the Protocols were plagiarized from Joly's fictional Dialogue in Hell, a thinly-veiled attack on the political ambitions of Napoleon III, who, represented by the non-Jewish character Machiavelli, plots to rule the world. Joly, a monarchist and legitimist, was imprisoned in France for 15 months as a direct result of his book's publication. Ironically, scholars have noted that Dialogue in Hell was itself a plagiarism, at least in part, of a novel by Eugene Sue, Les Mystères du Peuple (1849–1856)


Geneva Dialogues, p. 141:

Machiavelli.-"Like the God Vishnu, my press will have a hundred arms, and these arms will give their hands to all the different shades of opinion throughout the country."

Protocols, p. 43:

"These newspapers, like the Indian god Vishnu, will be possessed of hundreds of hands, each of which will be feeling the pulse of varying public opinion."

Geneva Dialogues, p. 207:

Montesquieu:-- "Now I understand the figure of the god Vishnu; you have a hundred [p. 14] arms like the Indian idol, and each of your fingers touches a spring.

Protocols, p. 65:

"Our Government will resemble the Hindu god Vishnu. Each of our hundred hands will hold one spring of the social machinery of State."


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...&postcount=112
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you read the protocols by putting X instead of words : Zion,Jews,Semite and similar, every time you find it in the text, thus getting of the mind obstacle involving those particular group of people, You will find that the programs, functions and methods described in that text are VERY much TRUE, and that NOW You live in that World!
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