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Old 24-06-2012, 01:34 PM   #1
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Default Natwest hacked?

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16252281

Some of the comments are interesting....

With over 30 year’s experience in IT, there is no way that a mere software update brought down an entire banking system!
Even if (and it’s a big IF!!!) that a software update was the culprit…

a). Why wasn’t this update installed and tested prior to roll out?
b). Why didn’t the DR sight take over from the primary sight?

It’s so obvious that this was NOT a software update that caused this, yet they are sticking to their story, surely NATWEST etc don’t believe no else in the UK knows about IT and also knows when a blatant lie/cover up is taking place.

Come on NATWEST, what has actually taken place?





They have been hacked and refuse to admit it one bloke whent to check his account and found that he had a £45000 over draft ,that came as news to him he did not have an over draft !






People have had money missing from their accounts but it,s not being reported in the media !

Phone lines not working ,web site not working ,how many clues do you need ?

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Old 24-06-2012, 01:37 PM   #2
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Yes, i have thought this too - either that or they are bailing and paying off their shareholders, we will see.

You kinda expect a little more from the Royal bank of Scotland - fuck ups like this are kinda not in the ball park for such banks?

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Old 24-06-2012, 01:43 PM   #3
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That would explain the silence about it all. I could understand a glitch in the system delaying payments by a day but all this carry on and the banks being open on a Sunday points to something bigger.
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Old 24-06-2012, 01:44 PM   #4
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I suspect a hack, on the other hand if it was hacked wouldn't they want to use it as an excuse to attack Iran?

So if it was, why deny it?
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Old 24-06-2012, 01:47 PM   #5
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b). Why didn’t the DR sight take over from the primary sight?
'Scuse me for being pedantic but not knowing the difference between 'site' and 'sight' tends to dent my confidence in someone's opinion.
But what I wonder is this. How do they know what the correct balances are if the data has been screwed up (for whatever reason)?
Also don't they have a back up system?
Also going by the comments on their website people had salaries credited which then disappeared! So hacking a possibility.
Though if vast numbers of people had had their accounts pilfered surely the media would not be able to keep a lid on it?

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Old 24-06-2012, 03:46 PM   #6
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'Scuse me for being pedantic but not knowing the difference between 'site' and 'sight' tends to dent my confidence in someone's opinion.
As I suffer from dyslexia I can full under stand the post. A misspelt word (imo) dose not detract from the opinion of the poster.

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surely the media would not be able to keep a lid on it?
I can see what you mean, but I also think it a bit naive. I can see it now
"Lets not start a bank run, so stick to the story"


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Old 24-06-2012, 03:48 PM   #7
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Old 24-06-2012, 06:45 PM   #8
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I too think it has been hacked pretty much like the comment quoted by OP in his first post, they have back-ups and mirrors

in this case it's smoke and mirrors, they arent telling the truth

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Old 24-06-2012, 07:08 PM   #9
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hahaha, it was probably one line of code that was suppose to be taken out before the roll out....didit
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Old 24-06-2012, 07:18 PM   #10
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a hack maybe... but I smell the same things that sparked the riots.... TPTB could have done this as a test run to see what happens when the economy finally goes tits up.
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Old 24-06-2012, 09:09 PM   #11
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a hack maybe... but I smell the same things that sparked the riots.... TPTB could have done this as a test run to see what happens when the economy finally goes tits up.
This is what I thought, a test run.
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Old 24-06-2012, 09:39 PM   #12
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its happening with Ulster Bank in Ireland too part of RBS.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0624/uls....html#comments

check out the comments .. pretty much a mirror of here
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I use to know a group of bankers, network engineers and software developers for online banking websites. A few of them would say that the online banking systems were breached but this was never admitted to publicly. As it would be damaging to their reputation to admit just how bad it was. The public's trust in Banks was of the utmost importance to them.

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I suspect a hack, on the other hand if it was hacked wouldn't they want to use it as an excuse to attack Iran?

So if it was, why deny it?
No. Not if its not part of their plan and on their timeline.
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I use to know a group of bankers, network engineers and software developers for online banking websites. A few of them would say that the online banking systems were breached but this was never admitted to publicly. As it would be damaging to their reputation to admit just how bad it was. The public's trust in Banks was of the utmost importance to them.
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A Friend of mine in IT builds Intranets and Networks for businesses and he told me that exact info Years ago.
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Old 25-06-2012, 10:34 AM   #16
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http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16252281

Some of the comments are interesting....

With over 30 year’s experience in IT, there is no way that a mere software update brought down an entire banking system!
Even if (and it’s a big IF!!!) that a software update was the culprit…

a). Why wasn’t this update installed and tested prior to roll out?
b). Why didn’t the DR sight take over from the primary sight?

It’s so obvious that this was NOT a software update that caused this, yet they are sticking to their story, surely NATWEST etc don’t believe no else in the UK knows about IT and also knows when a blatant lie/cover up is taking place.

Come on NATWEST, what has actually taken place?





They have been hacked and refuse to admit it one bloke whent to check his account and found that he had a £45000 over draft ,that came as news to him he did not have an over draft !






People have had money missing from their accounts but it,s not being reported in the media !

Phone lines not working ,web site not working ,how many clues do you need ?

wasn't it to do with the latest downgrading of financial organisations such as the natwest?

banks are starting to face mass withdrawals from their customers thats probably why cos the banks lost some of their ability to access cash.

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Old 25-06-2012, 12:01 PM   #17
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The lesson from all of this is spread your risk.
Have some money in the banks if you must but spread it between different institutions.
Have an emergency stash of cash on hand
Keep stocked up with basics.

It makes sense whether it was a hack, a 'dry run' or a genuine glitch.
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Old 25-06-2012, 12:30 PM   #18
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Has normal service resumed?
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Old 25-06-2012, 12:48 PM   #20
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http://www.rbs.com/news/2012/06/upda...late-25th.html


Update on technical issue: 1200 main branches opening late 25th to 29th June
25th June

We’re making progress in putting things right and will keep 1,200 branches open until 7pm 25th June and from 8am-6pm for the rest of the week.

We have arranged for our customers to be advanced cash in our branches when they were missing payments and had no available funds.

All ATMs and point of sale transactions are still available.

All our current account customers who have an RBS, NatWest or Mint credit card in good order can now also:

withdraw up to an additional £100 over their limit, with over-limit fees or charges automatically waived or refunded
withdraw cash on their card with cash advance fee as well as one months worth of interest waived or refunded
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