The Demonic Theory of UFOs

[10thlight]

just some more info to digest from a book called The Demonic Theory of UFOs published april 6th 2012 on amazon.


An Excerpt from The Demonic Theory of UFOs by
John of the Gentiles, 2012 A.D.:


“…the fact that all UFO phenomena are consistent with the demonic
theory indicate that this explanation is the best possible answer for
the solution to the UFO mystery." – p.44 Facts on UFOs and Other Supernatural Phenomena by
Ankerberg/Weldon, 1992 A.D.
Chapter 1: The Demonic Theory of UFOs
UFO reports are at all-time highs and while it is generally believed the UFO era began in
the late 1940s, the phenomenon does date back to the farthest reaches of antiquity:
―Historical research by a very small group of dedicated ufologists is beginning to reveal some
surprising patterns in the overall activities of unidentified flying objects. The year 1947 did not
mark the start of the ‗UFO era,‘ as so many writers and students of the phenomenon have
believed. ‗Flap‘ cycles have now been traced and documented back to the early years of the 19th
century and additional research may eventually demonstrate that UFO ‗flaps‘ have occurred
consistently on almost a regular time-table throughout all history.‖ - FSR: The “Flap” Phenomenon in the
United States by John A. Keel (―In ufology, a ‗flap‘ denotes a specific period of time during which a sudden outbreak of UFO
sightings occurs. For example: if many sightings occur simultaneously nationwide on a single day, that day becomes a ‗flap
date.‘ A ‗flap‘ may also take place in a single area, marked by a beginning, a peak, and a decline in sightings. Such localized
‗flaps‘ can last from a few hours to several months.‖ - FSR: The “Flap” Phenomenon in the United States by John A. Keel)
It is a chronicler of the weird and strange named Charles Fort who wrote on the subject of
flying saucers in his most unusual series of books entitled The Book of the Damned (1919 A.D.),
New Lands (1923 A.D.), Lo! (1931 A.D.) and Wild Talents (1933 A.D.) who is generally
considered to be the founder of modern ufology. Fort‘s writings gave rise to the term ‗Fortean‘
used to denote paranormal phenomena; Fort with a handful of fellow enthusiasts founded the
Fortean Society in New York in 1931 A.D. which later grew to include a San Francisco chapter,
several members of which would later constitute occultist Anton LaVey‘s Magic Circle (See The
Secret Life of a Satanist: The Authorized Biography of Anton LaVey). It was famously enough
Anton LaVey who founded the Church of Satan in San Francisco, CA in 1966 A.D. This fact in
turn brings us to the subject of the ‗Demonic Theory of UFOs.‘ The Demonic Theory of UFOs
contributes the UFO sightings of today to the machinations of Satan and his many malevolent
minions; LaVey‘s associations it would seem lend credit to this hypothesis.
Indeed:
―We are not the first people in our world‘s history to see UFO‘s. Records of sightings exist from
all periods…But today the sightings are accelerating in number, with the last thirty years
presenting a virtual explosion in the phenomenon. Something definitely is up…We think
demons are behind this startling phenomenon, and we think their activity is connected to the
upcoming Tribulation period.‖ – UFOs: What on Earth is Happening by Weldon/Levitt 1975 A.D.
The Tribulation is a Biblically prophesied period said to precede the Second Coming of
Jesus, heralding his imminent return:
―As he (Jesus) sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, ―Tell us,
when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming (speaks of Jesus‘ Second Coming)
and of the close of the age?‖ And Jesus answered them, ―Take heed that no one leads you astray.
For many will come in my name, saying, ‗I am the Christ,‘ and they will lead many astray. And
you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not alarmed; for this must take place,
but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and
there will be famine and earthquakes in various places; all this is but the beginning of birth
pangs. Then they will deliver you up to tribulation (the Tribulation), and put you to death; and
you will be hated by all nations for my name‘s sake. And then many will fall away, and betray
one another, and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.
And because wickedness is multiplied, most men‘s love will grow cold. But he who endures to
the end will be saved. And this gospel will be preached throughout the whole world, as a
testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.‖ - Matthew 24:3-14
The Bible warns us that at the close of the age:
―…there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.‖ - Matthew 24:24
―Since deception is based on ignorance…a Christian who is ‗true‘ and ‗faithful‘ up to the
knowledge which he has, must be open to deception in the sphere where he is ignorant of the
‗devices‘ of the devil (2Corinthians 2:11), and what he (the devil) is able to do. A ‗true‘ and
‗faithful‘ Christian is liable to be deceived by the devil because of his ignorance.‖ – p. 235 The
Omega Conspiracy: Satan‘s Last Assault on God‘s Kingdom by Dr. I.D.E. Thomas, 1986 A.D. But we as Christians
need not be deceived, nor need we be counted amongst the ignorant.
It would seem UFOs belong in the category of deceptive ‗signs and wonders‘:
―There is not a single UFO incident on record that cannot be explained as a demonic deception
or apparition…What does seem clear, from a spiritual perspective, is that the ultimate purpose of
the UFO phenomenon is to help prepare the collective consciousness of the human race for the
coming of the Antichrist as foretold in the Bible.‖ – FSR: UFOs: A Demonic Conspiracy by Fr. Thomas Kulp
And to be sure, this would most certainly seem to be the case. Concerning modern UFO
sightings, the most Reverend Paul Inglesby (circa 2001 A.D.) concedes: ―…my unshakeable
belief is that there is no such thing as a good UFO. They are all what the Church calls
deceptions of the devil.‖ Ufologist Jacques Vallee likewise calls these UFOs ―messengers of
deception.‖
And again:
―It seems likely that Satan and his fallen angels may be somehow involved in UFO sightings and
alien encounters and are involved in deceiving the spiritually naive. A growing number of
evangelicals now seem to agree.‖ - Flying Saucers and Alien Abductions: What’s a Christian to Think? by Louis D.
Whitworth, Crossroads Evangelical Ministries
As Whitworth concludes:
―The ultimate goal of the aliens is to deceive and mislead as many people as possible in order to
keep people from coming to saving faith in Jesus Christ…Satan and his fallen angels…are using
a different approach and some new disguises, but its the same age-old deception.‖ - Flying Saucers
and Alien Abductions: What’s a Christian to Think? by Louis D. Whitworth, Crossroads Evangelical Ministries
―A number of fascinating, if esoteric, personalities claim an occult connection to the
UFO‘s and the occult in general has seen a tremendous upsurge of interest in our
times…Astrological charts and advice appear in every newspaper and are consulted casually by
the millions. Books on demon possession, contact of the dead or the spirits
(Spiritism/Spiritualism), and mystical religious experiences, usually Eastern in flavor, are
available in every drugstore and supermarket. Occultists, from spiritualists to reader-advisor
consultants, maintain offices and cater to the public like physicians and dentists…We believe
that there is an important correlation between the upsurge of occult phenomena in human society
and the increased prevalence of the UFO‘s…From a Biblical and historical context, it is clear
that the various manifestations of occultism seem to be tied directly to the power of demons.
Thus, to the extent that the UFO phenomenon aligns itself with the occult phenomenon—to that
degree it is linked to the power of the demons. As believing Christians, obeying Biblical
admonitions, we hold to an inflexible position regarding occult phenomena. As thinking
members of a global society about to be brought to its fatal denouement by the activity of
incredibly evil forces, we mean to sound an alarm.‖ – p.91,93 UFO‘s: What on Earth is Happening by
Weldon/Levitt, 1975 A.D.
The alarm has indeed been sounded by more than a few ufologists. The following
selection concerning the Satanic nature of the modern UFO phenomenon was excerpted from a
London Times newspaper article:
TOP BRITISH ADMIRAL WARNS OF "SATANIC" UFOs [This story appeared in the London Times
on February 28, 1997, written by Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent]
―A former head of the [British] Armed Forces has helped to form a pressure group to warn of the
satanic nature of many unidentified flying objects. Admiral of the Fleet Lord Hill-Norton, Chief
of Defense Staff, 1971-73, is involved with UFO Concern out of worry that some UFO
encounters are ‗definitely antithetical to orthodox Christian belief,‘ according to today‘s Church
Times. The Rev Paul Inglesby, a sub-deacon in an Orthodox church, who is secretary of UFO
Concern, said the truth about UFOs has been suppressed for many years. He had never seen a
UFO himself but knew many who had. ‗It is what they do and the messages that come from them
that are anti-Christian, or demonic,‘ he added. Gordon Creighton, a Buddhist (as well as a
retired British consulate officer) who edits Flying Saucer Review, said the group‘s founders were
right to be concerned: ‗I do believe that the great bulk of these phenomena are what is called
satanic.‘‖ - CNI - Hill-Norton.Satanic UFOs
As celebrated ufologist John A. Keel explains:
―Throughout most of history, the manifestations of demonology (the study of demons) and
demonopathy (demonic possession) have been viewed from a religious perspective and
explained as the work of the Devil. The bizarre manipulations and ill effects described in the
demonological literature are usually regarded as the result of a great unseen conflict between
God and the Devil. In UFO lore, the same conflict has been observed…The quasi-angels of
Biblical times have become magnificent spacemen…A major, but little-explored, aspect of the
UFO phenomenon is therefore theological and philosophical rather than purely scientific. The
UFO problem can never be untangled by physicists and scientists unless they are men who have
also been schooled in liberal arts, theology, and philosophy.‖ - UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse by John A.
Keel, 1970 A.D. (Pertinent Quote: ―Our recently renewed awareness of the mysterious objects in the sky makes it increasingly
urgent for us to discover how these objects were interpreted in the past. Clues from early religious beliefs, mythology and
folklore indicate that flying saucers were seen as vehicles of a divine race and that they were associated with many of the sites
where they are said to appear today.‖ - p.159 The Flying Saucer Vision by John Michell, 1967 A.D.)
Keel‘s observation seems to be the consensus:
―What we are witnessing is a reenactment of some very ancient myths and legends common to
many of the world‘s religious traditions. The most obvious is the ongoing battle for the souls of
mankind between the opposing forces of light and dark, good and evil, God and the Devil,
played out in a technological setting where spaceships replace traditional religious imagery.‖ -
Flying Saucers From Hell by Dr David Clarke (2006 A.D.)
As we learn from UFO researcher John A. Keel‘s most illuminating book entitled Why
UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse p. 62 (1970 A.D.): ―In a paper presented before the American
Rocket Society on November 15, 1962, Dr. Carl Sagan, a young Harvard astronomer…urged
that ancient myths and legends be reexamined for possible clues to an early visit by an
extraterrestrial civilization.‖ On p. 26 he explains: ―Like most UFO researchers, I have read the
Bible carefully several times. In view of what we now know—or suspect—about flying saucers,
many of the Biblical accounts of things in the sky take on a new meaning and even corroborate
some of the things happening today.‖
―In their 1966 book Intelligent Life in the Universe astrophysicists I.S. Shklovski and (Pulitzer
Prize-winning author) Carl Sagan devote a chapter to arguments that scientists and historians
should seriously consider the possibility that extraterrestrial contact occurred during recorded
history.‖ – Wikipedia: Ancient Astronauts
As John Michell writes in The Flying Saucer Vision circa 1967 A.D.:
―It is now more than twenty years ago since people first began to notice the strange objects in the
sky. By night bright lights were appearing overhead, moving rapidly like comets or the great
fiery dragons so often seen in the past; by day they were seen as flying discs or globes.
Newspapers call them flying saucers. There was something about these objects and the stories
connected with them that caused immediate excitement, and a rumour quickly spread that they
were the spacecraft of intelligent beings from outside the earth…Since the first appearance of
flying saucers an enormous amount of folklore has grown up around them. New ideas and old
beliefs have been given a definite expression in the legend of the flying discs…At the same time
it has become evident that flying saucers themselves are by no means new. A great many reports
from the 19th century (such as those generated by the 1897 A.D. UFO flap in America) and
earlier appear to refer to flying objects of the same sort as are seen today. In fact it appears from
the works of the Romans, Greek and Egyptian writers that the phenomenon was known in times
of the greatest antiquity. Even the popular interpretation of flying saucers, that they are the
spacecraft of an extra-terrestrial race, is nothing new, for in the earliest legends of mythology the
flying vehicles of the gods are described in the same way, as wheels or winged discs. It may
therefore be possible, by finding out how the strange flying objects were interpreted in the past,
to achieve some understanding of their significance today. In doing this we shall have to
reconsider some of the commonly accepted assumptions about the meaning behind the themes of
mythology…when men first achieved the expanded way of thought necessary for progress
towards a civilization, we have some record in mythology (such as ―…the tradition of the gods
from the sky and of the sacred mandala, the winged disc bringing both gifts and destruction…‖),
and from this source we learn that the momentous step forward was taken through the
appearance on earth of a superior race, the gods. The lessons learned from that time have
survived, sometimes embedded in the culture of the great civilizations of the past, sometimes
guarded by more or less secret dynasty of priests and scholars in, for instance, the Druid colleges
and certain remote monasteries of the East…It may be the flying saucers today, as at the time of
our last vision, when they were revealed as the vehicles of the gods, are a portent...‖ – pp. 8-9,10
Introduction to The Flying Saucer Vision by John Michell, 1967 A.D.
Perhaps these UFOs are amongst the ―fearful sights and great signs‖ which appear from
the ―heaven‖ prophesied in Luke 21:11 said to precede the day of the Second Coming of Jesus.

[logos880]

Originally Posted by 10thlight

What does seem clear, from a spiritual perspective, is that the ultimate purpose of
the UFO phenomenon is to help prepare the collective consciousness of the human race for the
coming of the Antichrist as foretold in the Bible.

hollywood has been communicating, albeit subconsciously, this idea to the public for quite some time.

the 4th kind:



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220198/

[thethinkingrebel]

I am also a big believer in the demonic source of UFO's and abductions. When you think about it it makes so much sense.
Try to contextualize aliens with the bible. It would be the biggest shaker to Judaism and Christianity, Most christians are either open to the idea...and would probably leave their faith behind, or are having doubts about their faith and would give up their faith at the first sign of pressure. There is another section who are strong in belief, but would still crack under such an overwhelmingly earth changing revelation.

This is the first and foremost hope of Satan, destroy christianity as much as possible, establish a kingdom on Earth and try to steal God's power from the eternal realm.

Secondarily, establish a new religion that worships him openly. Of course what we see today is veiled symbolic worship, anything that does not openly worship Yahweh or Jesus is satanic, there is a line that one crosses (the plumb line of Amos), where it becomes of interest to Satan BECAUSE it detracts from Godly worship.

These things are called idols. We have already seen UFOs become the subject of cults, when they do descend from the second heaven they are likely to promote themselves as our creators, and will without question denounce Judaism and Christianity as evil and archaic perversions of the one true religion, which will be an amalgamation of all areas of theosophy, there will already be a one world government, or the beginnings at least, ready to transmit such a philosophy into practice. All people will be obliged to take a luciferic initiation in this "New Age" of peace and prosperity. Now whether or not all christians have been martyred by the time the aliens have arrived I dont know. If it is indeed the case, we can quickly expect what will be described to the people as interstellar war, with us and our "alien friends" on one side, and God, on the other. Of course God will be passed off as Evil generic Alien, and his judgments as attacks (thanks to alien movies), but he will actually be punishing you (deluded initiates of the antichrist) for killing us (christians). Satan will have minor success at invading heaven, using humanity to develop the technology (thanks to the mystery schools for bringing the ancient knowledge through time from genesis to revelation). He will even drag some angels to Earth. In the end, God will end it, and bind Satan for another 1000 years.

[zerosignal]

"―There is not a single UFO incident on record that cannot be explained as a demonic deception
or apparition…"


Alright. But it works the other way, too. Most "demonic possessions" and other seemingly unholy events, could simply be extraterrestrials trying to scare us by feeding off our own gullibility. If we continue to let ourselves be fooled by beings simply because they have a higher knowledge base than us, then we are not growing as a person, and have very little to offer the universe.

If you blind yourself by faith to the extent that you can look at practically any event that isn't within our human understanding and simply call it "demonic" or "angelic," then you are just proving your ignorance as a person. You can't take every incident, especially ones that aren't actually addressed in the bible directly, and call it demonic or you're chasing your tail like a goofy little animal.

Note that I am not saying "Christianity is bad," I'm simply pointing out that you can't use your faith to define everything around you. That's what the manipulators want and you're buying right into it. What if your god itself is a creation of your "devils" (aka the reptilians that bastardized the very concept of God /Consciousness/All That Is in the first place) simply as a diversion from other gods, Consciousness, living life to its' fullest?

[thethinkingrebel]

Originally Posted by zerosignal

"―There is not a single UFO incident on record that cannot be explained as a demonic deception
or apparition…"


Alright. But it works the other way, too. Most "demonic possessions" and other seemingly unholy events, could simply be extraterrestrials trying to scare us by feeding off our own gullibility. If we continue to let ourselves be fooled by beings simply because they have a higher knowledge base than us, then we are not growing as a person, and have very little to offer the universe.

For what possible reason would any extra-terrestrial have to possess someone and start screaming about how Satan will rise, how God sucks and about how legions will kill us and drag us to hell etc etc [not that hell exists like that]. Demonic possession is often passed off as some kind of mental illness, why? because people don't want to accept something that was once common knowledge, when the nephilim were destroyed in the flood, they became "shades", being part angelic their physical bodies died, but they remained just..out of phase...and now have subliminal influence over people, and also the ability to telepathically communicate with certain people, which is why God banned divination in Israel. Now much of the New Age movement is influenced by these beings. Who are also, it seems able to appear as UFOs,but may simply be other fallen angels. It really is quite simple, deceive the people, destroy faith in God. How often do you hear - Aliens will destroy organized religion [coincidentally New Age is NOT considered an organized religion]

If you blind yourself by faith to the extent that you can look at practically any event that isn't within our human understanding and simply call it "demonic" or "angelic," then you are just proving your ignorance as a person. You can't take every incident, especially ones that aren't actually addressed in the bible directly, and call it demonic or you're chasing your tail like a goofy little animal.

But by saying they are aliens we are not being ignorant? What makes a demon or angel any less likely a cause, both are non terrestrial life forms. We are simply using a different terminology for the same thing. You view the source as extra-terrestrial, we christians view it as interdimensional. I don't view ET hypothesis as ignorant, in fact it was one I ascribed to for over a decade. But now I see the interdimensional hypothesis as more credible. It just happens to be the view what fits a Christian worldview like a glove. there are many non-christians who also believe them to be interdimensional. Many researchers like J. Allen Hynek and Jacques Vallee as well as John Mack, noticed what was happening..these "beings" are systematically altering the worldview of humanity, changing it one that is more accepting, and even worshipful of them. As well as raping human beings and genetically engineering a new race [just as happened in Genesis 6]. Dont believe me? what a few abduction documentaries, then read Genesis 6! and have a gander at the book of Enoch! not only did those angels alter the worldview of Humanity in Noah's day, they created hybrids, did vast amounts of genetic alteration on people [creating chimeras] and advanced their technology way beyond ours today.

Note that I am not saying "Christianity is bad," I'm simply pointing out that you can't use your faith to define everything around you. That's what the manipulators want and you're buying right into it. What if your god itself is a creation of your "devils" (aka the reptilians that bastardized the very concept of God /Consciousness/All That Is in the first place) simply as a diversion from other gods, Consciousness, living life to its' fullest?

So you are saying Christianity is not bad, but that God is Lucifer/Satan?
Okay, whatevz

[thethinkingrebel]

Originally Posted by 10thlight

just some more info to digest from a book called The Demonic Theory of UFOs published april 6th 2012 on amazon.

Amazon.com: The Demonic Theory of UFOs (9781475070545): Mr. John of the Gentiles: Books

An Excerpt from The Demonic Theory of UFOs by
John of the Gentiles, 2012 A.D.:


“…the fact that all UFO phenomena are consistent with the demonic
theory indicate that this explanation is the best possible answer for
the solution to the UFO mystery." – p.44 Facts on UFOs and Other Supernatural Phenomena by
Ankerberg/Weldon, 1992 A.D.
Chapter 1: The Demonic Theory of UFOs
UFO reports are at all-time highs and while it is generally believed the UFO era began in
the late 1940s, the phenomenon does date back to the farthest reaches of antiquity:
―Historical research by a very small group of dedicated ufologists is beginning to reveal some
surprising patterns in the overall activities of unidentified flying objects. The year 1947 did not
mark the start of the ‗UFO era,‘ as so many writers and students of the phenomenon have
believed. ‗Flap‘ cycles have now been traced and documented back to the early years of the 19th
century and additional research may eventually demonstrate that UFO ‗flaps‘ have occurred
consistently on almost a regular time-table throughout all history.‖ - FSR: The “Flap” Phenomenon in the
United States by John A. Keel (―In ufology, a ‗flap‘ denotes a specific period of time during which a sudden outbreak of UFO
sightings occurs. For example: if many sightings occur simultaneously nationwide on a single day, that day becomes a ‗flap
date.‘ A ‗flap‘ may also take place in a single area, marked by a beginning, a peak, and a decline in sightings. Such localized
‗flaps‘ can last from a few hours to several months.‖ - FSR: The “Flap” Phenomenon in the United States by John A. Keel)
It is a chronicler of the weird and strange named Charles Fort who wrote on the subject of
flying saucers in his most unusual series of books entitled The Book of the Damned (1919 A.D.),
New Lands (1923 A.D.), Lo! (1931 A.D.) and Wild Talents (1933 A.D.) who is generally
considered to be the founder of modern ufology. Fort‘s writings gave rise to the term ‗Fortean‘
used to denote paranormal phenomena; Fort with a handful of fellow enthusiasts founded the
Fortean Society in New York in 1931 A.D. which later grew to include a San Francisco chapter,
several members of which would later constitute occultist Anton LaVey‘s Magic Circle (See The
Secret Life of a Satanist: The Authorized Biography of Anton LaVey). It was famously enough
Anton LaVey who founded the Church of Satan in San Francisco, CA in 1966 A.D. This fact in
turn brings us to the subject of the ‗Demonic Theory of UFOs.‘ The Demonic Theory of UFOs
contributes the UFO sightings of today to the machinations of Satan and his many malevolent
minions; LaVey‘s associations it would seem lend credit to this hypothesis.
Indeed:
―We are not the first people in our world‘s history to see UFO‘s. Records of sightings exist from
all periods…But today the sightings are accelerating in number, with the last thirty years
presenting a virtual explosion in the phenomenon. Something definitely is up…We think
demons are behind this startling phenomenon, and we think their activity is connected to the
upcoming Tribulation period.‖ – UFOs: What on Earth is Happening by Weldon/Levitt 1975 A.D.
The Tribulation is a Biblically prophesied period said to precede the Second Coming of
Jesus, heralding his imminent return:
―As he (Jesus) sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, ―Tell us,
when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming (speaks of Jesus‘ Second Coming)
and of the close of the age?‖ And Jesus answered them, ―Take heed that no one leads you astray.
For many will come in my name, saying, ‗I am the Christ,‘ and they will lead many astray. And
you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not alarmed; for this must take place,
but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and
there will be famine and earthquakes in various places; all this is but the beginning of birth
pangs. Then they will deliver you up to tribulation (the Tribulation), and put you to death; and
you will be hated by all nations for my name‘s sake. And then many will fall away, and betray
one another, and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.
And because wickedness is multiplied, most men‘s love will grow cold. But he who endures to
the end will be saved. And this gospel will be preached throughout the whole world, as a
testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.‖ - Matthew 24:3-14
The Bible warns us that at the close of the age:
―…there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;
insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.‖ - Matthew 24:24
―Since deception is based on ignorance…a Christian who is ‗true‘ and ‗faithful‘ up to the
knowledge which he has, must be open to deception in the sphere where he is ignorant of the
‗devices‘ of the devil (2Corinthians 2:11), and what he (the devil) is able to do. A ‗true‘ and
‗faithful‘ Christian is liable to be deceived by the devil because of his ignorance.‖ – p. 235 The
Omega Conspiracy: Satan‘s Last Assault on God‘s Kingdom by Dr. I.D.E. Thomas, 1986 A.D. But we as Christians
need not be deceived, nor need we be counted amongst the ignorant.
It would seem UFOs belong in the category of deceptive ‗signs and wonders‘:
―There is not a single UFO incident on record that cannot be explained as a demonic deception
or apparition…What does seem clear, from a spiritual perspective, is that the ultimate purpose of
the UFO phenomenon is to help prepare the collective consciousness of the human race for the
coming of the Antichrist as foretold in the Bible.‖ – FSR: UFOs: A Demonic Conspiracy by Fr. Thomas Kulp
And to be sure, this would most certainly seem to be the case. Concerning modern UFO
sightings, the most Reverend Paul Inglesby (circa 2001 A.D.) concedes: ―…my unshakeable
belief is that there is no such thing as a good UFO. They are all what the Church calls
deceptions of the devil.‖ Ufologist Jacques Vallee likewise calls these UFOs ―messengers of
deception.‖
And again:
―It seems likely that Satan and his fallen angels may be somehow involved in UFO sightings and
alien encounters and are involved in deceiving the spiritually naive. A growing number of
evangelicals now seem to agree.‖ - Flying Saucers and Alien Abductions: What’s a Christian to Think? by Louis D.
Whitworth, Crossroads Evangelical Ministries
As Whitworth concludes:
―The ultimate goal of the aliens is to deceive and mislead as many people as possible in order to
keep people from coming to saving faith in Jesus Christ…Satan and his fallen angels…are using
a different approach and some new disguises, but its the same age-old deception.‖ - Flying Saucers
and Alien Abductions: What’s a Christian to Think? by Louis D. Whitworth, Crossroads Evangelical Ministries
―A number of fascinating, if esoteric, personalities claim an occult connection to the
UFO‘s and the occult in general has seen a tremendous upsurge of interest in our
times…Astrological charts and advice appear in every newspaper and are consulted casually by
the millions. Books on demon possession, contact of the dead or the spirits
(Spiritism/Spiritualism), and mystical religious experiences, usually Eastern in flavor, are
available in every drugstore and supermarket. Occultists, from spiritualists to reader-advisor
consultants, maintain offices and cater to the public like physicians and dentists…We believe
that there is an important correlation between the upsurge of occult phenomena in human society
and the increased prevalence of the UFO‘s…From a Biblical and historical context, it is clear
that the various manifestations of occultism seem to be tied directly to the power of demons.
Thus, to the extent that the UFO phenomenon aligns itself with the occult phenomenon—to that
degree it is linked to the power of the demons. As believing Christians, obeying Biblical
admonitions, we hold to an inflexible position regarding occult phenomena. As thinking
members of a global society about to be brought to its fatal denouement by the activity of
incredibly evil forces, we mean to sound an alarm.‖ – p.91,93 UFO‘s: What on Earth is Happening by
Weldon/Levitt, 1975 A.D.
The alarm has indeed been sounded by more than a few ufologists. The following
selection concerning the Satanic nature of the modern UFO phenomenon was excerpted from a
London Times newspaper article:
TOP BRITISH ADMIRAL WARNS OF "SATANIC" UFOs [This story appeared in the London Times
on February 28, 1997, written by Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent]
―A former head of the [British] Armed Forces has helped to form a pressure group to warn of the
satanic nature of many unidentified flying objects. Admiral of the Fleet Lord Hill-Norton, Chief
of Defense Staff, 1971-73, is involved with UFO Concern out of worry that some UFO
encounters are ‗definitely antithetical to orthodox Christian belief,‘ according to today‘s Church
Times. The Rev Paul Inglesby, a sub-deacon in an Orthodox church, who is secretary of UFO
Concern, said the truth about UFOs has been suppressed for many years. He had never seen a
UFO himself but knew many who had. ‗It is what they do and the messages that come from them
that are anti-Christian, or demonic,‘ he added. Gordon Creighton, a Buddhist (as well as a
retired British consulate officer) who edits Flying Saucer Review, said the group‘s founders were
right to be concerned: ‗I do believe that the great bulk of these phenomena are what is called
satanic.‘‖ - CNI - Hill-Norton.Satanic UFOs
As celebrated ufologist John A. Keel explains:
―Throughout most of history, the manifestations of demonology (the study of demons) and
demonopathy (demonic possession) have been viewed from a religious perspective and
explained as the work of the Devil. The bizarre manipulations and ill effects described in the
demonological literature are usually regarded as the result of a great unseen conflict between
God and the Devil. In UFO lore, the same conflict has been observed…The quasi-angels of
Biblical times have become magnificent spacemen…A major, but little-explored, aspect of the
UFO phenomenon is therefore theological and philosophical rather than purely scientific. The
UFO problem can never be untangled by physicists and scientists unless they are men who have
also been schooled in liberal arts, theology, and philosophy.‖ - UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse by John A.
Keel, 1970 A.D. (Pertinent Quote: ―Our recently renewed awareness of the mysterious objects in the sky makes it increasingly
urgent for us to discover how these objects were interpreted in the past. Clues from early religious beliefs, mythology and
folklore indicate that flying saucers were seen as vehicles of a divine race and that they were associated with many of the sites
where they are said to appear today.‖ - p.159 The Flying Saucer Vision by John Michell, 1967 A.D.)
Keel‘s observation seems to be the consensus:
―What we are witnessing is a reenactment of some very ancient myths and legends common to
many of the world‘s religious traditions. The most obvious is the ongoing battle for the souls of
mankind between the opposing forces of light and dark, good and evil, God and the Devil,
played out in a technological setting where spaceships replace traditional religious imagery.‖ -
Flying Saucers From Hell by Dr David Clarke (2006 A.D.)
As we learn from UFO researcher John A. Keel‘s most illuminating book entitled Why
UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse p. 62 (1970 A.D.): ―In a paper presented before the American
Rocket Society on November 15, 1962, Dr. Carl Sagan, a young Harvard astronomer…urged
that ancient myths and legends be reexamined for possible clues to an early visit by an
extraterrestrial civilization.‖ On p. 26 he explains: ―Like most UFO researchers, I have read the
Bible carefully several times. In view of what we now know—or suspect—about flying saucers,
many of the Biblical accounts of things in the sky take on a new meaning and even corroborate
some of the things happening today.‖
―In their 1966 book Intelligent Life in the Universe astrophysicists I.S. Shklovski and (Pulitzer
Prize-winning author) Carl Sagan devote a chapter to arguments that scientists and historians
should seriously consider the possibility that extraterrestrial contact occurred during recorded
history.‖ – Wikipedia: Ancient Astronauts
As John Michell writes in The Flying Saucer Vision circa 1967 A.D.:
―It is now more than twenty years ago since people first began to notice the strange objects in the
sky. By night bright lights were appearing overhead, moving rapidly like comets or the great
fiery dragons so often seen in the past; by day they were seen as flying discs or globes.
Newspapers call them flying saucers. There was something about these objects and the stories
connected with them that caused immediate excitement, and a rumour quickly spread that they
were the spacecraft of intelligent beings from outside the earth…Since the first appearance of
flying saucers an enormous amount of folklore has grown up around them. New ideas and old
beliefs have been given a definite expression in the legend of the flying discs…At the same time
it has become evident that flying saucers themselves are by no means new. A great many reports
from the 19th century (such as those generated by the 1897 A.D. UFO flap in America) and
earlier appear to refer to flying objects of the same sort as are seen today. In fact it appears from
the works of the Romans, Greek and Egyptian writers that the phenomenon was known in times
of the greatest antiquity. Even the popular interpretation of flying saucers, that they are the
spacecraft of an extra-terrestrial race, is nothing new, for in the earliest legends of mythology the
flying vehicles of the gods are described in the same way, as wheels or winged discs. It may
therefore be possible, by finding out how the strange flying objects were interpreted in the past,
to achieve some understanding of their significance today. In doing this we shall have to
reconsider some of the commonly accepted assumptions about the meaning behind the themes of
mythology…when men first achieved the expanded way of thought necessary for progress
towards a civilization, we have some record in mythology (such as ―…the tradition of the gods
from the sky and of the sacred mandala, the winged disc bringing both gifts and destruction…‖),
and from this source we learn that the momentous step forward was taken through the
appearance on earth of a superior race, the gods. The lessons learned from that time have
survived, sometimes embedded in the culture of the great civilizations of the past, sometimes
guarded by more or less secret dynasty of priests and scholars in, for instance, the Druid colleges
and certain remote monasteries of the East…It may be the flying saucers today, as at the time of
our last vision, when they were revealed as the vehicles of the gods, are a portent...‖ – pp. 8-9,10
Introduction to The Flying Saucer Vision by John Michell, 1967 A.D.
Perhaps these UFOs are amongst the ―fearful sights and great signs‖ which appear from
the ―heaven‖ prophesied in Luke 21:11 said to precede the day of the Second Coming of Jesus.

i would suggest for you a book by Jim Wilhelmsen, you can get it on kindle or in paperback. Sadly the grammar sucks, as it was self published (I believe) but its called "Beyond Science Fiction". Christian Author, he and I have theological differences in some places I have read, but alot of the information is amazing.

[zerosignal]

Originally Posted by thethinkingrebel

For what possible reason would any extra-terrestrial have to possess someone and start screaming about how Satan will rise, how God sucks and about how legions will kill us and drag us to hell etc etc [not that hell exists like that]. Demonic possession is often passed off as some kind of mental illness, why? because people don't want to accept something that was once common knowledge, when the nephilim were destroyed in the flood, they became "shades", being part angelic their physical bodies died, but they remained just..out of phase...and now have subliminal influence over people, and also the ability to telepathically communicate with certain people, which is why God banned divination in Israel. Now much of the New Age movement is influenced by these beings. Who are also, it seems able to appear as UFOs,but may simply be other fallen angels. It really is quite simple, deceive the people, destroy faith in God. How often do you hear - Aliens will destroy organized religion [coincidentally New Age is NOT considered an organized religion]

To play off our fear of the "demons" that they themselves created/made up. The more distracted we are from reality, the less we can learn. The funny thing is, this is almost the reverse of claiming that all UFOs are somehow demons, so first of all, you need to use your own logic, and you'll figure it out.

But, more importantly, you seem to think that somehow the Christian version of demons are the only beings doing this, but, what about all the spirits in other belief systems? That's the problem here. The ancient alien theory explains all the accounts of demons in practically all religions, but the idea of Judeo-Christian version of demons explains only that: Judeo-Christian demons. You're trying to discount everything from other religions as well as science with Christian ideas, when really traces of aliens can be found in MANY religions, and Judeo-Christianity is relatively new compared to many of these religions which also contain traces of extraterrestrial proof.

"So you are saying Christianity is not bad, but that God is Lucifer/Satan?
Okay, whatevz "

No. However, the way God is portrayed in the bible actually makes him look worse than Lucifer. Who killed more people in the bible, God or Lucifer? Anyway, my point is that you are using an essentially "made up" religion (although most religions have plenty of fact AND fiction within them) to justify things that are actually being witnessed by people. If the Reptilians created your religion, and you're using their created religion to define them, why not cut out the middle-man? Religions are created to confuse and control people, even at a moral level.

[10thlight]

I know about david icke books i agree with most of his stuff. this is why i got his books in the first place.because i saw the same stuff he said in his books and i agreed with alot of his info.yes i learned from his books also
An i support people that say alot of truth .
I have most of his books atleast 6 or 7.I just got his new book the other day.

Dont have a closed mind that is for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now about the bible
The bible has 66 books in it..The number 66 is the number of the fallen angels in kabbalah.Why so many books removed. what happen to the holy spirit to healing people and walking on water ect.
buddist monks can make energy bubbles and knock u back with out touch and also can start fire with paper from the hand by chi and touch 1000f degree chains and not get burnt
There are videos on youtube showing such. (not fake ones)
IM not saying they are from the same source.

Like everything ...you have to look into it yourself and look deep.

(side note) the body is the temple and your spirit dwells there.so why do you need a building to whorship.
Also yin and yang plays a role in everything in this world.left and right brain to female and male ect ect. to micro and the macro.
I think jesus teachings were surpressed as soon as he died and espically after his desciples died.
Does jesus want to be worshiped like a idol no...
but he wants you to be like him.
Do we realy know gods name .....no.

About god of this world the bible says it is satan.

The book of enoch talks about the fallen angels/alien beings
Leviticus 16
The day of atonement was about jesus and azazel.Azazel the scapegoat who was sent into the wilderness and died.IS this like chess maybe so.
But what about the queen piece.which has more power than the king .

adam son abel died and jesus had to come to save mankind from sin.

The you can talk about the book of job and the pleiades and leveithan ect.

The pope wears a fish hat and the name nun means fish which gets in to sirius and amphibian beings.
And of course the reptillains .

I know one thing humans have been dumb down way to long that is for sure.

[logos880]

Originally Posted by zerosignal

To play off our fear of the "demons" that they themselves created/made up. The more distracted we are from reality, the less we can learn. The funny thing is, this is almost the reverse of claiming that all UFOs are somehow demons, so first of all, you need to use your own logic, and you'll figure it out.

so we should be afraid of demons but not afraid of beings capable of interstellar travel to our planet? don't be silly, any ET with the tech capable of interstellar travel would also have the tech to wipe humanity off the face of the earth with the flip of a switch.

Originally Posted by zerosignal

But, more importantly, you seem to think that somehow the Christian version of demons are the only beings doing this, but, what about all the spirits in other belief systems? That's the problem here. The ancient alien theory explains all the accounts of demons in practically all religions, but the idea of Judeo-Christian version of demons explains only that: Judeo-Christian demons. You're trying to discount everything from other religions as well as science with Christian ideas, when really traces of aliens can be found in MANY religions, and Judeo-Christianity is relatively new compared to many of these religions which also contain traces of extraterrestrial proof.

angels and demons...good and evil...I think that pretty much covers it. so where is this proof of ETs??

Originally Posted by zerosignal

"So you are saying Christianity is not bad, but that God is Lucifer/Satan?
Okay, whatevz "

No. However, the way God is portrayed in the bible actually makes him look worse than Lucifer. Who killed more people in the bible, God or Lucifer? Anyway, my point is that you are using an essentially "made up" religion (although most religions have plenty of fact AND fiction within them) to justify things that are actually being witnessed by people. If the Reptilians created your religion, and you're using their created religion to define them, why not cut out the middle-man? Religions are created to confuse and control people, even at a moral level.

another day another gnostic.

christianity has had a profoundly positive impact on my life, so I don't share your purely negative opinion of religion.

[thethinkingrebel]

Originally Posted by zerosignal

To play off our fear of the "demons" that they themselves created/made up. The more distracted we are from reality, the less we can learn. The funny thing is, this is almost the reverse of claiming that all UFOs are somehow demons, so first of all, you need to use your own logic, and you'll figure it out.

You miss the whole point, the one I explained above, they are systematically changing our worldview, provide no evidence that they come from outer space, and each theosophy to abductees (which actually you just said, that Lucifer is good and Yahweh is bad).
But, more importantly, you seem to think that somehow the Christian version of demons

are the only beings doing this, but, what about all the spirits in other belief systems? That's the problem here. The ancient alien theory explains all the accounts of demons in practically all religions, but the idea of Judeo-Christian version of demons explains only that: Judeo-Christian demons. You're trying to discount everything from other religions as well as science with Christian ideas, when really traces of aliens can be found in MANY religions, and Judeo-Christianity is relatively new compared to many of these religions which also contain traces of extraterrestrial proof.

These beings are all the same, they all detract from the one true God, God went to war with many of these Gods in the old Testament. Egypt's gods, Baal, Ashtar etc

"So you are saying Christianity is not bad, but that God is Lucifer/Satan?
Okay, whatevz "

No. However, the way God is portrayed in the bible actually makes him look worse than Lucifer. Who killed more people in the bible, God or Lucifer? Anyway, my point is that you are using an essentially "made up" religion (although most religions have plenty of fact AND fiction within them) to justify things that are actually being witnessed by people. If the Reptilians created your religion, and you're using their created religion to define them, why not cut out the middle-man? Religions are created to confuse and control people, even at a moral level.

Well, this reptilian stuff is one man's word isnt it..as well as some shaky youtube videos. Now frankly, you see a UFO in the sky, you scream aliens not demons, no race on earth who has encountered these fallen beings, called them demons, more sky people, those who from heaven came, etc.

However in Judaism it was accepted knowledge that fallen angels came to earth and bred with women in order to wipe out the seed of Adam [human], and thusly God was going to destroy the earth, purifying it with water, and start again. Had it not been for Noah we wouldnt be here today.

Final point, Satan/Lucifer has killed every person who has ever lived and ever will live. Befoe his lie in Genesis 3 "You shall be as God," death was non existent. Jesus said:

" John 8:44 HCSB

You are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars. "

[zerosignal]

Originally Posted by logos880

so we should be afraid of demons but not afraid of beings capable of interstellar travel to our planet? don't be silly, any ET with the tech capable of interstellar travel would also have the tech to wipe humanity off the face of the earth with the flip of a switch.

And you're saying that a devil that can posess people can't wipe people off the Earth? Then what are you Christians so afraid of? They want us as their slaves, so why would they destroy us? We don't destroy our own food sources do we? They don't want us destroyed, they want us scared.

As I said to that other person who keeps quoting me, "It works the other way too." You need to learn to look at these ideas from different viewpoints, these are all questions I asked myself when I was younger and had to figure out on my own. It's a matter of viewpoint and you could easily have answered that one yourself.

Originally Posted by logos880

angels and demons...good and evil...I think that pretty much covers it. so where is this proof of ETs??

It works both ways. Before you typed that, did you also ask yourself "where's the proof of angels and demons?" This is what bothers me about religion: when it comes to your beliefs you project them onto everything. You trust in faith yet when it comes to things you can't explain, you ask for proof. So which is it? Continue lying to yourself with faith? Or start finding answers that you didn't project there yourself?

[zerosignal]

Originally Posted by thethinkingrebel

You miss the whole point, the one I explained above, they are systematically changing our worldview, provide no evidence that they come from outer space, and each theosophy to abductees (which actually you just said, that Lucifer is good and Yahweh is bad).
But, more importantly, you seem to think that somehow the Christian version of demons
These beings are all the same, they all detract from the one true God, God went to war with many of these Gods in the old Testament. Egypt's gods, Baal, Ashtar etc

Ok, I mentioned the whole good/bad thing as an example. I don't actually believe in either of them, not from a biblical point of view anyway, so you're taking this all way out of context. I simply pointed out that one fictional character is evil and one is less evil.

Originally Posted by thethinkingrebel

Well, this reptilian stuff is one man's word isnt it..as well as some shaky youtube videos. Now frankly, you see a UFO in the sky, you scream aliens not demons, no race on earth who has encountered these fallen beings, called them demons, more sky people, those who from heaven came, etc.

Right. Ok, so then let's ignore anyone who came with a message as just one man.

hrm. Let's start with...Jesus!

The bible is full of men who sounded crazy. This doesn't tell me that all these prophets come from christianity, it simply tells me that men such as this have existed throughout history, predating the bible.

Speaking of things that pre-date the bible, hows 'bouts them thar Sumerians, hm? Since these ancient astronaut theories root from the Sumerians, not from "one man" anyway. The only difference is these theories cover all (or at least most) other religions and their supposed gods, whereas Christianity only covers...well...itself. And it BARELY even does that properly, with all the contradictions throughout the bible.

Originally Posted by thethinkingrebel

Final point, Satan/Lucifer has killed every person who has ever lived and ever will live. Befoe his lie in Genesis 3 "You shall be as God," death was non existent. Jesus said:

" John 8:44 HCSB

You are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars. "

Why would I listen to a lecture about how bad lying is...from a murderous god? Everyone speaks from their own nature, as we all have a different perception of the world. This is a gift, and I'm not even a christian so I don't mean a gift from god. And I certainly don't mean a gift from your devil.

Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them a liar, you'd have to be pretty self-righteous to believe that. And if you are indeed self-righteous enough to imply this...then you need to re-read that quote you ended with, because you didn't type it to me, you typed it to yourself. Maybe somebody's trying to tell you something, hm?

[piskavac]

There is one thing about Grays which confuse me. I don't believe generaly in demonic theory, although many UFO inciedent have evil purpose. You mustn't be demon to have evil action.


The Grays seems to me more ""interesting"" than Repies, or any other ET kind.

I wonder if Grays haven't individual councessness, or it is somewhat suffocated, does it means over Grays can have sovereingty someone who have knowledge to approach to them efficiently, and then use their resources, technology, and skills? I mean if they have suffocated individual councesness or doesen't have it at all; they can produce very strong field of force... very strong collective aura, owning to which anybody who tries to have sovereingty over them through mere psychologial and/or political manipulation can suffer very badly Not for one live, but for few or even for many incarnations

Does repies knew what I mentioned above, gained knowledge, and took hazardous action to broke through that strong aura and somehow "enslaved" the Grays?

If we pose knowledge about how to break through such strong collective aura, , does that means we can have sovereignty over Grays, and use them for our purposes as their masters?

[thethinkingrebel]

Originally Posted by piskavac

There is one thing about Grays which confuse me. I don't believe generaly in demonic theory, although many UFO inciedent have evil purpose. You mustn't be demon to have evil action.


The Grays seems to me more ""interesting"" than Repies, or any other ET kind.

I agree, you dont have to be a demon to be evil, fallen angels are not necessarily evil, some are, some prefer to eek out their existence quietly. The ones we need to worry about are the bad ones who want to condemn mankind along with them. The grays are VERY intriguing, at least the ones I have encountered. They seem very detached, unemotional..viewing us perhaps as we view an insect.

I wonder if Grays haven't individual councessness, or it is somewhat suffocated, does it means over Grays can have sovereingty someone who have knowledge to approach to them efficiently, and then use their resources, technology, and skills? I mean if they have suffocated individual councesness or doesen't have it at all; they can produce very strong field of force... very strong collective aura, owning to which anybody who tries to have sovereingty over them through mere psychologial and/or political manipulation can suffer very badly Not for one live, but for few or even for many incarnations

Different worldviews we have. But I can agree with alot of what you say here. There is an implication of sexual experimentation, and genetic engineering, the secular community believes that they use hybrids to infiltrate human society, I agree. They are telepathic..to disagree in light of countless testimonies (including my own) would be almost insane. They do have a kind of collective consciousness, I have seen this as reinforcements were brought into my room to try and aid in my abduction. They may grow new bodies to house their consciousness, or the reason they appear so hideous may be due to their great age (thousands of years old), seperated from God they age just like we do albeit slower.

Does repies knew what I mentioned above, gained knowledge, and took hazardous action to broke through that strong aura and somehow "enslaved" the Grays?

If we pose knowledge about how to break through such strong collective aura, , does that means we can have sovereignty over Grays, and use them for our purposes as their masters?

I am not sure reptilians exist, angels can change form, we see this evidenced in the bible, and also from tales of ancient Gods who appear as animals. If they are fallen angels, they have signed their allegiance to Satan, He is described as a Dragon ij revelation...maybe this is why?

We cannot control demons, Satanists must provide sacrifices and petition them to do their will. Only a christian can trult command them, as Solomon did. It requires the power of God. This cometh from my worldview..you may perceive it differently, From what I have seen and experienced I can only conclude something interdimensional and thus Satanic in nature, but until evidence is before our eyes all interpretations have merit.
There is only one definitive answer however

[logos880]

Originally Posted by zerosignal

And you're saying that a devil that can posess people can't wipe people off the Earth? Then what are you Christians so afraid of? They want us as their slaves, so why would they destroy us? We don't destroy our own food sources do we? They don't want us destroyed, they want us scared.

no, I'm not saying that at all, my point is that why would aliens with super technology need to masquerade as demons to scare us? that doesn't make sense. evil intented aliens with super tech are pretty scary in and of themselves.

Originally Posted by zerosignal

As I said to that other person who keeps quoting me, "It works the other way too." You need to learn to look at these ideas from different viewpoints, these are all questions I asked myself when I was younger and had to figure out on my own. It's a matter of viewpoint and you could easily have answered that one yourself.

why are you assuming I haven't looked at this from other viewpoints?

Originally Posted by zerosignal

It works both ways. Before you typed that, did you also ask yourself "where's the proof of angels and demons?" This is what bothers me about religion: when it comes to your beliefs you project them onto everything. You trust in faith yet when it comes to things you can't explain, you ask for proof. So which is it? Continue lying to yourself with faith? Or start finding answers that you didn't project there yourself?

^pot calling the kettle black.

where is the proof of aliens?

[believenothing]

Originally Posted by logos880

angels and demons...good and evil...I think that pretty much covers it. so where is this proof of ETs??

Good and evil is subjective. So are angels and demons. The two might as well be interchangeable. There are bad angels and good demons. If you go far enough back, there is a period existing before demons were 'demonized'

Probably derived from the Asuras and Devas.

Now I don't think our paranormal little friends are ETs, but where is the proof that there aren't ETs? It goes both ways. Absence of proof is not proof itself.

What I personally think is labeled as ETs are real and likely terrestrial. It would be foolish to dismiss the "UFO" phenomenon as fantasy like many are conditioned to do. There is something out there and it is being kept secret. The worst-kept-secret. Kept secret for our protection? Or kept secret because even those who know about it are afraid and cannot explain it?

IMHO, I wouldn't be surprised if ghosts, jinn, nymphs, vampires, aliens, angels, demons, etc. are all the exact same thing.

I've seen UFOs. They weren't saucers, they were very strange lights. Bright and occasionally colorful. There were three, they moved in and out of formation and traveled far and back at impossible speeds. They made no sounds. They disappeared like a light being turned off. This was in a public place and I was not the only person who saw them. It turns out, this is quite common within a 100-200 mile radius of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. They call them the Lake Erie UFOs.

Some people say they're swamp gas (LOL!). And I'm familiar enough with the sky to know it wasn't a satellite or the ISS (ISS is a faint moving 'star'). It wasn't a meteor shower, the northern lights, a shooting star (saw one while observing UFOs though), Venus, Jupiter, Mars, airplanes, etc.

Does that mean they're alien? No it doesn't, and again I don't think they are. I also doubt that our technology is secretly light-years ahead of what we think it it. I think we are not alone on this planet. That there is something to the whole inter-dimensional or energy-based life. Or that possibly there is something living in mountains, underground, underwater, etc. Maybe they are the ones who built the pyramids and other megaliths.

Plenty of people have encountered strange things throughout history. They can't all be lying. The proof is hiding in plain sight like it always is. Maybe someday people will take it seriously.

I don't think they're aliens, but I wouldn't be surprised if an alien attack is faked to unite us. Still, the statistical odds of intelligent alien life are basically a sure thing in this universe. Whether or not they can travel here is debatable and likely involves violating the laws of physics.

[neila]

I have been possessed by a demon, I have also been abducted by aliens. They are both different experiences. With demonic posession I used to see ufos, be psychic and act out of character with face changes. With alien abduction I have less psychic ability but feel more energised and alive. IMO they are both different. Or maybe they are just different alien entities, some bad some good.

[zerosignal]

Originally Posted by logos880

no, I'm not saying that at all, my point is that why would aliens with super technology need to masquerade as demons to scare us? that doesn't make sense. evil intented aliens with super tech are pretty scary in and of themselves.

Because they don't want us to be aware of what they really are. Yes it would be scary, but equally informative. It's kinda like using the boogie man to scare kids. We adults are superior enough to know better, yet people still do this. Why? It is certainly immature isn't it? Yet it's in our nature, and probably in the nature of those mentally advanced as compared to us as well.

Originally Posted by logos880

why are you assuming I haven't looked at this from other viewpoints?

'cause I'm a jerk like that. *shrug*

Originally Posted by logos880

^pot calling the kettle black.

where is the proof of aliens?

Everywhere. Throughout many religions, their texts, their symbolism. In photos, in videos, in the sky, in our DNA, in our history and in our future. I can't exactly sit here and type out every word said in every episode of Ancient Aliens. Not that I believe everything they say, but my point is, the information is at our fingertips. Time to use our fingers.

[blaze]

Interesting thread. Read a book about this donkeys years ago, stating that UFO fixation was a sign of demonic activity... no judgement there, just aware of the theory.


Here's a thought.

Imagine that a UFO is in fact a ZipZapZub from Kazang, occupied by furry semi being-beings that inhabit a blue egg floating just off venus.

(I like Seuss)

We can only describe something we don't understand by using language and points of reference and signs that we are already familiar with.

So, in terms of unidentifiable objects in the sky, it's either this, that or the other. I can's say what it REALLY is because that would mean inventing something entirely new, like a zipzapzub.

So perhaps the demonic theory of UFO's is likely a poor attempt at the above caused by a lack of alternatives and some convenient comparisons. I can argue til I'm blue in the face that a UFO is demonic (which is a thesis in itself...) until I really have evidence that it's a ... whatever.

The problem that we always have in talking about religion and describing the metaphysical is that words get in the way.


I honestly think that to all intents and purposes if we remove the languages and narratives from describing religion and belief and just communicate in non character-set based ways, it's all to be found on the same continuum of human experience.

Beware of words!

IMHO (always)

[zerosignal]

You have a good point, blaze, however I think sometimes there are too many differences because of what words carry with them. For example, I recently stopped using the word "god" to describe what many seem to refer to as "consciousness" because of people thinking I meant specifically the one from the bible. (why this one, out of the thousands that are written of in history, I'm not sure) But for example, when someone says "demon" it carries a very biblical context with it, and is something entirely different in mental image than "alien."

I don't just mean the mental image but also the words that go along with each one, for instance, "demon" makes me think "god, devil, Jesus, Lucifer, angel, possession..." whereas "alien" makes me think "UFO, extraterrestrial, outer space, other planets, spacecraft, abduction..."