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Old 15-03-2012, 06:05 AM   #1
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The belief that there is - or was - a real person, one person, behind the nym 'Anton Long', with that person being David Myatt, is false; a myth. For the real story is one of a deception intended to enhance the image, the credibility, of the Order of Nine Angles, a group which never existed as a real functioning Occult order let alone a Satanist one. The ONA itself was never more than a myth, a marketing device, a honeytrap, and - latterly - just an internet phenomenon. Here's what Myatt wrote in the second part (1973-1975) of his just published political memoirs Ethos of Extremism, Reflexions on Extremism, Politics, and A Fanatical Life -
" In respect of covert action, I came to the conclusion, following some discussions with some C88 members, that two different types of covert groups, with different strategy and tactics, might be very useful in our struggle and thus aid us directly or aid whatever right-wing political party might serve as a cover for introducing NS policies or which could be used to advance our cause. These covert groups would not be paramilitary and thus would not resort to using armed force since that option was already covered, so far as I was then concerned, by C88.

The first type of covert group would essentially be a honeytrap, to attract non-political people who might be or who had the potential to be useful to the cause even if, or especially if, they had to be 'blackmailed' or persuaded into doing so at some future time. The second type of covert group would be devoted to establishing a small cadre of NS fanatics, of 'sleepers', to - when the time was right - be disruptive or generally subversive.

Nothing came of this second idea, and the few people I recruited during 1974 for the second group, migrated to help the first group, established the previous year. However, from the outset this first group was beset with problems for - in retrospect - two quite simple reasons, both down to me. First, my lack of leadership skills, and, second, the outer nature chosen for the group which was of a secret Occult group with the 'offer', the temptation, of sexual favours from female members in a ritualized Occult setting, with some of these female members being 'on the game' and associated with someone who was associated with my small gang of thieves [...]

[The] organizer and 'leader' of this covert group [was] a comrade, a married businessman living near Manchester - being the one who had suggested the outer, the Occult, form of the group.

But what happened was that, over time and under the guidance of its mentor, the Occult and especially the hedonistic aspects came to dominate over the political and subversive intent, with the raisons d'etat of blackmail and persuasion, of recruiting useful, respectable, people thus lost. Hence, while I still considered, then and for quite some time afterwards, that the basic idea of such a subversive group, such a honeytrap, was sound, I gradually lost interest in this particular immoral honeytrap project until another spell in prison for an assortment of offences took me away from Leeds and my life as a violent neo-nazi activist [...]

I had occasion, during the 1980's, to renew my association not only with some old C88 comrades but also with the mentor of that Occult honeytrap when, after of lapse of many years, I became involved again in neo-nazi politics and revived my project of using clandestine recruitment for 'the cause'. By this time, that Occult group had developed some useful contacts, especially in the academic world, so some friendly co-operation between us was agreed; a co-operation which continued, sporadically, until just before my conversion to Islam in 1998.

This clandestine recruitment of mine was for a small National-Socialist cadre which went by a variety of names, beginning with 'G7' (soon abandoned), then The White Wolves (c. 1993), and finally the Aryan Resistance Movement aka Aryan Liberation Army [qv. Part Five for details].

However, while some of these Occult contacts were, given their professions, occasionally useful 'to the cause' and to 'our people', by 1997 I had come to the conclusion that the problems such association with Occultism and occultists caused far outweighed the subversive advantages; a conclusion which led me to re-write and re-issue a much earlier article of mine entitled Occultism and National-Socialism, and which revised article was subsequently published in the compilation Cosmic Reich by Renaissance Press of New Zealand. As I wrote in that article - "National-Socialism and Occultism are fundamentally, and irretrievably, incompatible and opposed to each other."

By the Summer of 1998 I had abandoned not only such co-operation and contacts with such Occult groups but also such clandestine recruitment on behalf of National-Socialism, concentrating instead on my Reichsfolk group and my 'revised' non-racist version of National-Socialism which I called 'ethical National-Socialism'. Later still, following my conversion to Islam, I was to reject even this version of National-Socialism."

The story of 'Anton Long' is the story of several different individuals using that pseudonym in the last 40 years. Beginning with Myatt himself in 1972, then a year later with "a married businessman living near Manchester", then around 1998 with 'Beesty Boy' (aka Christos Beest aka Moult), and finally around 2003 with one or two anonymous young writers who tried to keep the myth going by posting their stuff on the internet and who created websites, blogs and e-groups to create the illusion of a real, expanding, influential, hardcore Satanist group led by 'Anton Long', the myth.

According to his own account, because of his conversion to Islam Myatt ceased all dealings with the honeytrap ONA in 1998 when Moult, then already leader of Myatt's neo-nazi Reichsfolk group, took over. After Moult's departure some years later, the ONA became nothing more than a phantom organization, existing only in cyberspace, or as an urban legend.

The so-called Satanist ONA was fake all along. Successful marketing. Hype. At first a honeytrap designed for neo-nazi recruitment, later on an internet group, and finally an urban legend.
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Old 15-03-2012, 08:20 AM   #2
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Thank you for this information. I always figure it was all a fake, anyway. It's just good to have my opinion backed up now.
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Old 15-03-2012, 09:36 PM   #3
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Thank you for this information
According to sources, the 70's 'businessman who lived near Manchester' heavily involved with, the leader of, the early ONA was called Antony aka Tony - which is how the name 'Anton' came about I guess. His wife's name was Helen.
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Old 16-03-2012, 04:02 AM   #4
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Thank you for this information. I always figure it was all a fake, anyway.
As an urban legend it has potential to become real. For someone to make it a real myth, a powerful set of ideas that influence people.

In a way maybe it's the ideas, the myth, that are more important than whether it really existed or really does exist.

The old England based ONA - if it ever really existed - is dead. AFAIK the ONA is now 'officially' based in California, run by a young half Thai, half Latino woman. She's developed a new ONA style, more eastern than western; little or no Satanism. More gang orientated, which isn't surprising since she was heavily involved in Asian and Latino gangs in LA.

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Didn't know this (but was always kinda scared by the order of nine angels... duped I guess ), thanks

This only re-inforces my mistrust of satanic "communities"

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Old 14-04-2013, 03:34 PM   #6
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Oh my God, you are all blind! No wonder order of nine angles treats us as lesser species. Have you noticed that this topic is started by 'Sinister Moon'?? I've been researching this secret society for some time. Sinister Moon is a nick name used by one of the 'inner ONA', that's how they are calling their highest circle, consisted of those who founded this order, including Myatt, and people they personally initiated over last decades.

So, let's see... We have here someone from the Order of Nine Angles claiming how Order itself is fake and fairytale? Very suspicious. It seems that now they want to convince you that they don't even exist! Unlike couple of decades ago when they craved for public attention, while recruiting people world-wide for their sinister agenda and 'Aeonic' plans how they call them. Now, when they have a world-wide net of 'associates', those who are not in 'inner' circle but are instructed and introduced to their Ways, they want to disappear into underground, or to 'return to the dark' as they would say. Don't get fooled so easily. They're real, as Myatt and his friends are real, and were doing some real sinister and satanic things in their lives. You think that there are not enough maniacs in this world to follow their footsteps? This world is crazy! Everything are just phases in their centuries long master-plan of 'presencing' the age of Satan, using this ONA cult, with Myatt as it's prophet and Vindex (Antichrist) it's Messiah, among many other things they use to accomplish their goals. They are now in their Third Phase and that phase is going underground and doing REAL things, manifesting their plan, after they recruited enough people. Because they are 'shape-shifters'. It's all in their 'MSS', their teachings. Just go and read for yourselves.

Maybe you will have trouble understanding some of it if you never studied these occult secret societies, occultism in general. Also they always tend to do something similar to what Sinister Moon is doing here, or to use a lots of symbolic language, word games, intentional contradictions. I guess, some things are not there on internet and are revealed when someone progress into 'inner ONA', at the top of the pyramid. Yea, it's a damn pyramid, with the eye on top of it :P But when you read to some of their material you would say that they are against Illuminati, NWO, 'Magian' occultism which is used for enslavement of the people, I even read someone comparing ONA with highest form of humanism!?! lol

And when you read through their descriptions of their rituals, their Dark Gods you would see that it's all about opening 'nexions' , gates for these Dark Gods, who are in ONA books are described as shape-shifting entities. Also, in some of their 'MSS' are mentioned as an shape-shifting alien race who visited our planet long time ago chased by another humanoid alien race. For some reason those shape-shifting entities decided to get involved in process of human evolution, affecting it on a large scale before leaving this Earth. They accessed this reality through the Gate somewhere near Saturn. These ONA people believe that all of them are gates for these shape-shifting entities. I think that David Icke would have a lots of material to study there.
Because of the nature of my job, and because of the personal interest in what some may call 'conspiracy theories' I studied different cults, secret societies and similar subjects. I first found out about Order of Nine Angles while gathering informations about local satanists, neo-pagans and similar groups. It seemed that besides usual teen satanism and dabbling in occult, there was only one organized satanic group or cult in our country, and it was connected with, then unknown to me, order of nine angles. After doing a research and connecting some dots, we identified at least three persons, two men and one young woman, possibly connected with this cult. Those people are connected with some eastern meditation and yoga groups, one neo-pagan group, couple of citizens organizations, one anarchist movement, and even one radical christian group. Diversity or shape-shifting? While checking available records I found out that almost every member of the family of one of those two men was convicted criminal, mainly drug trafficking, some served sentences for murder and lots of other crimes. There are strong indications that members of this cult are also involved in criminal activities of his family. We received reports of villagers about rituals performed on certain location in woods near our city. It's strange that those reports were made two days before two different murders took place in month or so. First was satanic teenage dabbler stabbing 13 times childs composer. Second one was woman raped and strangled by foreign worker near the woods where rituals were performed. After that they either quit, or changed location.

So, don't let yourself be fooled - order of nine angles is real, and they have their agenda, and they have their people all around the world spreading their inhuman philosophy, spoiling youth, and doing basically what most of the cults do.

Here are some places in the world where they have their 'nexions' and different groups:
Great Britain, Sweden, Iceland, Norway, Germany, USA, Brazil, Spain, Montenegro, Belgium, Australia, Italy, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Croatia, Canada and possibly many more of those who are not publicly presented. Now they want to sell ONA to the East, so I won't be surprised if they organize couple of cells somewhere in China, Japan, Middle East...

Satan's greatest lie was convincing us that he doesn't exist!
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Dave Myatt bio here....
http://myattandlong.wordpress.com/ca...t-david-myatt/
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If anyone is seriously interested in David Myatt, rather than reading such rumors and allegations about him by others, then they should check out his autobiography, Myngath, and his recent writings about extremism and his philosophy of pathei-mathos. Myngath and his recent writings are available as books via Amazon or as free pdf's from his blog.

Link to printed works on Amazon - http://davidmyatt.wordpress.com/about/collected-works/

His blog - http://davidmyatt.wordpress.com/
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So, let's see... We have here someone from the Order of Nine Angles claiming how Order itself is fake and fairytale? Very suspicious. It seems that now they want to convince you that they don't even exist!
Here's another possibility, for the conspiracy minded - that the current 'public internet face' of the Order of Nine Angles (or the Order of Nine Angels as some people often call it) is just a façade to detract from what really goes on and to diabolically mislead the public and those with a curious interest in the ONA.

What really goes on is evil, and is as described in several recent works of fiction, about the ONA, by reputable mainstream authors. Such as the novel, Nightmare, by best-selling author Stephen Leather published in 2012 (ISBN 9781612182315) and the novel A Child For The Devil by Conrad Jones, published 2013 (ISBN 9780857280077).

Stephen Leather has written for television shows such as London’s Burning and the BBC’s Murder in Mind series, and Conrad Jones has topped the Kindle best-seller list several times.

This deception, by those really involved with the O9A, means that they never "relocated to California under the auspices of a young woman of Thai descent" (as described in the Wikipedia article about the ONA) but just use people like her as dupes, with the whole 'internet-pretendu-crowd' - those claiming to be ONA via the internet - being dupes as well, so that their websites and blogs are worthless as a source of information about the real Order of Nine Angles, whose members sometimes have fun with mundanes by operating under names like the Order of Nine Angels!

If you do believe the ONA exists, and is evil, then the truth really is 'out there' if you look hard enough. Maybe fictionalized, and maybe in items such as (1) http://lapisphilosophicus.wordpress....f-nine-angles/ and (2) http://lapisphilosophicus.wordpress....ding-satanism/ where ONA admit they are:
(a) practising or disposed to practise evil;
(b) actually or potentially harmful, destructive, disastrous, or pernicious; baleful;
(c) malicious; mischievous, sly;
(d) bad in moral character, disposition
(e) hard, difficult, misleading, deadly, amoral
In my own case, I'm either - as "paindivine" suggests - part of a sinister psy-ops game the ONA is playing, or just someone who used to be interested in the ONA until I discovered it was a fake. I guess it all depends on what you want to believe.
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In my own case, I'm either - as "paindivine" suggests - part of a sinister psy-ops game the ONA is playing, or just someone who used to be interested in the ONA until I discovered it was a fake. I guess it all depends on what you want to believe.
It's so funny when you ONA people try to sound that mysterious and smart. You are so child-like in pretending that no one can see you if you cover yourself with a blanket. Some of us can see through your blanket of watered down occultism and pseudo philosophy like through transparent glass. It's obvious, sinistermoon, where you are and what are you doing, because you are promoting fictional works mentioning your order, like it's the case with ONA blogs lately. So, don't try to be mysterious and smart. It can only makes you look stupid.

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This deception, by those really involved with the O9A, means that they never "relocated to California under the auspices of a young woman of Thai descent" (as described in the Wikipedia article about the ONA) but just use people like her as dupes, with the whole 'internet-pretendu-crowd' - those claiming to be ONA via the internet - being dupes as well, so that their websites and blogs are worthless as a source of information about the real Order of Nine Angles, whose members sometimes have fun with mundanes by operating under names like the Order of Nine Angels!
If you're not Myatt yourself you can count yourself in with all of those being dupes and mundanes used by him. He is the only one satanist in so-called order of yours. No matter that you enjoy some false status of being in ''inner ONA'', same as others are enjoying their status of associate or outer representative, but being nothing more than pawns in myatt's game, or should I say all of you, including myatt are just pawns in Satan's game. Myatt being only one who really knows, who will go and serve satan in afterlife as he serves him in this life. You don't know so many things, apparently. You don't know what kind of pact myatt made and how he is bound to satan. You've been brainwashed like any other who would like to be ONA, so much that you even feel special in being used in this game you can't even perceive. Others don't know that Satan literally visited our world using myatt's body. Strange times we are living in... There I gave you reasons to say I'm a nutcase,and many would believe you, because many are blind to see the Truth and Light.

You can try to do everything to conceal the truth, you can laugh at everything many today will consider to be fairy tale and outdated religious thinking, but the Day of Judgment will be truly scary for some of you. At least you will finally know the truth.
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you are promoting fictional works mentioning your order, like it's the case with ONA blogs lately.
I think Sinistermoon was just pointing out that those novels might mirror what the Order of Nine Angles gets up to in the real world and that most of what's written about the ONA on the internet by those who say they're ONA - the dupes - is a smokescreen.

That's the interesting issue here, it seems to me - whether or not the ONA's current internet followers are being used by those behind the ONA, assuming we accept the ONA is real.

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I say all of you, including myatt are just pawns in Satan's game. Myatt being only one who really knows
Leaving aside the question of whether Satan even exists, there's no evidence linking David Myatt with the Order of Nine Angles. Since you claim he's a Satanist, maybe you'd like to explain his numinous way & personal writings since 2006?
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It's all a bit 'one man and his big idea' really innit?
The poor chap couldn't get or keep mates.
Very sad.
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It's all a bit 'one man and his big idea' really innit?
The poor chap couldn't get or keep mates.
If you mean Myatt, then you're quite wrong. If we accept the ONA was his idea - and it's a big if - then it's been quite influential over the past 30 years, for good or bad or simply as a myth. A myth that's the basis for some mainstream novels after all, not to mention getting a fair few people to use its system of occult training, and talk about it - as here!

Then there's all the mayhem he caused, the people influenced, by his extremist antics both neo nazi and Islamic, of which David Copeland is the most well known.

Then there's his exeatic - Faustian - life. His numinous way philosophy. His Greek translations, used by some universities and high schools. His mystic writings.

Quite a legacy. What more could a reclusive old man want?
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As I wrote, however this might sound like to you smartypants, that Satan visited our world after long time using myatt's body. Satan tried to instruct many in how to open up gate for him so he can manifest in this reality. I think that only myatt succeeded in this. If you read old grimoires you can see that opening gate for satan to manifest implies acts of total madness, acts of great crime, evil and inhuman behaviour. Although many received such instructions from the beginning of this cosmic drama, no one ever succeeded to open this gate for satan, except for some really mad magicians who succeeded in this operation partially. Myatt done work for his master perfectly.
This will become obvious in years and centuries to come, increasingly more with emerging of Antichrist. Everything we can see or investigate on the internet and through other channels of information, is just a tiny bit of evils myatt had done in order to allow satan to manifest through his body. That's the reason others failed in this, and reason myatt succeeded - because satan can't manifest fully inside of the body that didn't undergo living and practicing every (un)imaginable evil that body is capable of. Becoming in this way perfect living Weapon of satan and calling it falsely ''lapis philosophicus'' the philosopher's stone, for those belonging to ONA, for those naive people believing in such fairy tale.

This doesn't mean that I or a few of us who know the whole truth will try to stop them in doing their ''great work'' or maintaining their conspiracy through centuries to come. This is all part of plan of Divine Providence at which they would laugh. If they want to ''cull'' me I would offer to them my throat to cut it open and would look at them with compassion knowing how great is their suffering from this madness. Everything they are doing now is so unimportant when you are one with God, when you can see from above how everything will end all the same. Christ can teach you how to be like him, how to let evil manifest itself and to do apparently nothing to stop it, and in doing so to do EVERYTHING to stop it. Because evil manifested will destroy itself, will reveal itself for what it is and will save those who know Christ personally, who can understand words I'm writing here.
elders of zion told us that they will make true final plans by using those who would look like they are against them to their very core. Compare ONA with this, compare vindex with zionist messiah they are waiting for, compare dark galactic imperium with their ideals and models.

Blind would stay blind, and my words won't affect them. These lines are for those among you at least partially aware of your delusions and inner suffering under the ONA. People wouldn't believe it how it is hard to help victims of different cults, not even closely dangerous and evil as ONA. Most cults are localized and their brainwashing largely depends on physical isolation of cult members and personal influence of guru/leader. ONA evolved when it comes to cult activity and methodology. They (or myatt) found out a way of inner isolation and maintaining somehow ''leaderless'' cult. Leaderless in any form known to us. Because myatt is not and never was the leader of this cult, but Satan himself, walking this planet once again like in ancient times, same as God did through Jesus of Nazaret who also was a man, same as myatt but the opposite - the most benign human being that have ever lived and walked this planet.
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I think Sinistermoon was just pointing out that those novels might mirror what the Order of Nine Angles gets up to in the real world and that most of what's written about the ONA on the internet by those who say they're ONA - the dupes - is a smokescreen.
Trying to ''defend'' your fellow sinistermoon in this way would only hurt both of you. don't bother



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Leaving aside the question of whether Satan even exists, there's no evidence linking David Myatt with the Order of Nine Angles. Since you claim he's a Satanist, maybe you'd like to explain his numinous way & personal writings since 2006?
you ONA guys are so boring with this same phrase you are repeating for years now. This only made obvious where you are standing, and that you are also ONA (being pawn, friend of myatt, or mad mage himself). I'm not your average mundane you can play with. I don't play. I observe and sometimes tell the obvious to those under the spell. If it suits your false ego you can engage in your fight against me, but it's already lost - you and I are the one and same, at the level you are not able to see. At this level there's nothing you can ''attack'', there's no division. It's only in your head. I'm not fighting you - don't fight with yourself. Fight for your Self!
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If you mean Myatt, then you're quite wrong. If we accept the ONA was his idea - and it's a big if - then it's been quite influential over the past 30 years, for good or bad or simply as a myth. A myth that's the basis for some mainstream novels after all, not to mention getting a fair few people to use its system of occult training, and talk about it - as here!

Then there's all the mayhem he caused, the people influenced, by his extremist antics both neo nazi and Islamic, of which David Copeland is the most well known.

Then there's his exeatic - Faustian - life. His numinous way philosophy. His Greek translations, used by some universities and high schools. His mystic writings.

Quite a legacy. What more could a reclusive old man want?
Love
Friendship
Meaning

I just think he was and came across as a very sad and unloved man.
Borderline angry.
Met one or two who were 'into' that schtick down the years and they were much the same.
T'internet has put paid to that sort of thing these days.
It was all newsletters and meetings in pubs and such.
Very lonely life I would suspect.
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you are also ONA, being pawn, friend of myatt, or mad mage himself.
Which reminds me of a game some dudes played on the Black Metal forum returntothepit a whiles ago now whenever anyone mentioned the mad mage: Yes, we're all myatt now! Even you, or maybe you're just Chloe in disguise
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Love. Friendship. Meaning
Which begs the question - what is the meaning & purpose of our lives? To be happy, have friends, and be loved? Or is there something more?

Here's one answer, from someone who posts on this thread -
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Satan tried to instruct many in how to open up gate for him so he can manifest in this reality. I think that only myatt succeeded in this...Myatt done work for his master perfectly. This will become obvious in years and centuries to come
A kooky answer, many here might say, but it raises the issues of fame and an afterlife.

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I just think he was and came across as a very sad and unloved man. Borderline angry.
If you read his autobiography Myngath and his writings since 2006, specifically his numinous way aka philosophy of pathei mathos, then I think you'll get a very different picture of the man. I'd also suggest his recent book linked to from here - http://davidmyatt.wordpress.com/rejecting-extremism/
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Yep it's a fair call and if you like that sort of stuff then that is the sort of stuff that you like.
Myatt, Alex Sanders, Ben Creme... all of that era none of them especially happy chappies.
Ben Creme's still around banging the drum for Maitreya.
Maybe Myatt will get a re-run via t'internet but if he's still alive he must be a fair age by now.
These 'one man and his holy dog' merchants were ten a penny back in the day.
Never amounting to much more than them-self plus a floating ever changing nucleus of a very few new best mates who they then fell out with.
Like attracts like with this stuff and those sorts just aint clubbable types in general.
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Myatt, Alex Sanders, Ben Creme... all of that era none of them especially happy chappies. Ben Creme's still around banging the drum for Maitreya.
Sure, but the difference with David Myatt is twofold, IMO. First - if we accept he is Anton Long - he created a whole new sinister philosophy, one that's in many ways original and certainly radically different from all others, as the article about it here explains - http://lapisphilosophicus.wordpress....of-anton-long/

But whether this new sinister way of his is really evil, I'm not qualified to judge.

Second, he's done far more than been involved with the occult, if we accept he is or was Anton Long. Far more as in the stuff like - Greek translations; developing a philosophy of pathei mathos; a life of extremist activism; not to mention experiences such as learning and becoming (according to author Nick Ryan) an expert in Martial Arts; being a nurse; a leading hard-line Nazi intellectual; a vagabond; a poet; a theoretician of terror; and last but not least being "emblematic of the modern syncretism of radical ideologies".

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if he's still alive he must be a fair age by now.
Judging by the fact that he's still posting stuff on his blog (which BTW included a recent post of an extract from his translation of the gospel of John), yep he's still alive, and in his sixties, which I guess qualifies as being 'an old man'.
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