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Haha just when I was about to say she is really pretty. He is really pretty?
I was going to comment in the OP on how unusually beautiful she was. My first reaction was "Wow, she's hot, like reeeallly hot in a way I haven't come across before."

In hindsight I think most guys will recognise that reaction when they've been duped by a tranny

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I dont know, all the stories are intriguing. A few thoughts...

I dont think the pictures of the old and young girls look like the same person. The vertical ridge is very interesting. The reluctance to be photographed is interesting. The song like language is congruent with Swedenborgs writings of other societies in the universe (1700s). If it is a man or woman I guess I didnt see him her as possibly a man until that was suggested. That they live inside the planets and are concerned about our wars seems consistent with other spiritual encounters. The lady who left her body on one planet and assumed a used earthly body. Keep the good stuff coming, I say
OK, I'll try...and if I run out of material I'll just start making stuff up.

Comparing Adamski's description of Orthon to Dolores, it just seems precisely accurate to me.

Note that he says 'a finely chiselled nose, not conspicuously large'.



You don't say somebody's nose isn't conspicuously large, unless it already has a large appearance, i.e. Orthon didn't have a small, dainty nose.

Another thing: would a female dress designer in the 1950s not have plucked eyebrows?

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I was going to comment in the OP on how unusually beautiful she was. My first reaction was "Wow, she's hot, like reeeallly hot in a way I haven't come across before."

In hindsight I think most guys will recognise that reaction when they've been duped by a tranny



OK, I'll try...and if I run out of material I'll just start making stuff up.

Comparing Adamski's description of Orthon to Dolores, it just seems precisely accurate to me.

Note that he says 'a finely chiselled nose, not conspicuously large'.



You don't say somebody's nose isn't conspicuously large, unless it already has a large appearance, i.e. Orthon didn't have a small, dainty nose.

Another thing: would a female dress designer in the 1950s not have plucked eyebrows?
Just been reading through this thread and am not sure what to think, one thing that jumped out at me though is the eyebrows too, they seem very out of place with the rest of her(his?) appearance. Most ladies with naturally untidy eyebrows wax, pluck or have them threaded, I assume thinks were similar in the 50s. They make an already unusual face seem even more odd. I wonder if someone saw the eyes and eyebrows without seeint the rest of the face would they think man, woman or not be able to tell?
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Just been reading through this thread and am not sure what to think, one thing that jumped out at me though is the eyebrows too, they seem very out of place with the rest of her(his?) appearance. Most ladies with naturally untidy eyebrows wax, pluck or have them threaded, I assume thinks were similar in the 50s. They make an already unusual face seem even more odd. I wonder if someone saw the eyes and eyebrows without seeint the rest of the face would they think man, woman or not be able to tell?


Adamski didn't mention the eyelashes of Orthon being particularly feminine. These are noticeably long and/or false.

It does seem unlikely that a female fashion designer back then would have luxurious eyelashes and unkempt eyebrows.

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Here's how to reproduce the footage of George Adamski. For the long distance shots where the "ship" appears to fly erratically around the screen just paint or stick a small figure on a window and film while moving the camera around. The result is EXACTLY what we see in Adamski's footage. For the close up shots where the ship appears to change shape while hovering erratically you'll have to build a model that is stuck to a window pane and cut in HALF! A Japanese researcher did it and found this out.
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Revisiting George Adamski’s claims of Human looking Extraterrestrials

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The events that took place in a remote area of New Mexico during the predawn hours of July 16, 1945 forever changed the world. The incredible destructive powers of the atom were first unleashed; what had been theoretical became reality. Shockwaves were exported Exo- Solar; the cosmic telegraph rattled the walls of the upper octaves of light; Earthlings had found the key to the atomic lock. Human looking Galactic ambassadors were dispatched, to reason with the Earth government whose technology had exceeded its ability to safely utilize this enormous power. Military priorities remained sacrosanct and the ETs were rejected forcing them to engage in citizen’s diplomacy directly with ordinary people, soon to become known as Contactees. Under a carefully orchestrated Counter Intelligence Program, claims of ET contact were ridiculed and debunked. Overwhelming empirical evidence proving the reality of Human looking ETS surfaced to overshadow the military’s web of deceit. Pilots, a Government Employee, a photographic expert, an optical physicists and footage of a space craft in flight assisted in peeling back the stratified layers of time.



Introduction

This paper begins with an overview of Lord Desmond Leslie, the charismatic peer who co authored the book “Flying Saucers have Landed”, with contactee George Adamski. It is then followed with a brief account of Adamski’s early life and of the fascinating events that brought him into public life. The contact experiences of Adamski in the Californian desert are discussed, witness testimony analyzed followed by an examination of the empirical evidence, which are always accompanied by attacks from the skeptics, who are always there to debunk out of this world contacts.

Adamski embarks on worldwide travel lecturing to proponents of ETs including Royalty. What was so special about this man? Was he physically different, perhaps a hybrid? Why was he buried in the Arlington Cemetery? The paper takes a view on these controversial points before presenting evidence of similar contact experiences by others. Adamski was not the only human undergoing an uplifting of conscious by extra terrestrials; it is an ongoing phenomena designed to ensure mankind brings his technology and spirituality in line with the harmonics of the universe.

Overview of Dennis Leslie

Lord Desmond Leslie was a cousin of Sir Winston Churchill, a Spitfire pilot, proponent of extraterrestrial life, composer of revue lyrics and a collector of electronic noise. A scion of the Irish ascendancy, he was the son of Sir Shane Leslie, third Baronet, and lived at Castle Leslie, in Co Monaghan. One November night in 1934 after "lights out", he claimed his dormitory was ""suddenly lit by a brilliant green glare which had his fellow schoolboys rushing to the window to see an immense green fireball move slowly across the sky and disappear behind the Sussex Downs”.

Leslie mused: “Why should they risk a public landing?" Their ship would be impounded for evasion of custom duties. Their clothes would be torn off and sold as souvenirs. They would be denounced as saboteurs, anti-Christ’s, and disturbers of the peace, emissaries of Satan, and the rest.” Leslie created television history when, during the live filming of That Was The Week That Was with Bernard Levin, who had given his wife’s Cabaret show, Savagery and Delight a bad review, Leslie emerged out of the audience and took a swing at him.

In his book, “Flying saucers have landed” co authored with contactee George Adamski, Leslie spent time explaining what saucers were not! Logging as many sightings as he could muster Leslie ridicules the explanations of these sighting given by the establishment.

An Eric von Daniken before his time, Leslie drew on levitating saints, Atlantean myths and ancient airships to evolve a specific theory of interplanetary propulsion which he sought to relate, Gaia-like, to the Earth itself. "As I write this, I am riding on a great green luminous spaceship . . . rushing through the Ocean of Space." The book culminated in a 50-page account of Adamski's encounter of the third kind with tall, long-haired Venusians in outfits "like ski trousers."

Whilst researching the Vedas (ancient texts) including around 50 episodes of the Mahabharata, Leslie concluded that the ancient chariots or flying machines called Vimanas were actually anti gravitic vehicles and some of the weapons (Brahma weapon) could well have been nuclear bombs or death rays. Descriptions in the Vedas of the resulting carnage were reminiscent of Hiroshima. Those episodes written in the Dheiva were of course fairy tales but those of the Menusa were considered fact.

Leslie believed in reincarnation, and the holistic theories of Gaia, and joined a faith-healing sect, the White Eagle Lodge, run by a medium. He also continued to pursue his near-Messianic belief in UFOs, lecturing at UFO conferences in Laughlin, Nevada, in 1998, and, as late as June 2000, at a similar conference in San Marino - a now legendary witness to the birth of UFOlogy.

Leslie had received some of Adamski’s pictures of the Venusian craft and in order to not spoil Adamski’s efforts in publishing a book, Leslie arranged to co-author a book with Adamski called; “Flying Saucers have landed”. An aristocratic background carries credibility and it could well be that Leslie was chosen or influenced by higher forces in “getting Adamski’s word out”.

Desmond Leslie refers to the work of a Meade Layne of California who was experimenting in `very advanced and mysterious fields of physics' and who believed that `life on Venus takes place at a higher octave of matter than on Earth. Dr Layne gives details of Venusian ships, which fit in with many observation reports.

Overview of George Adamski

Adamski was born on April 17, 1891, in Poland. He and his family moved to New York when Adamski was less than two years old. He grew up in Dunkirk, NY, where economic hardship forced him to drop out of school in the 4th grade. In later years Adamski never wrote anything himself, preferring to dictate to a secretary, and it's possible he was a bit ashamed of his inability to spell simple English words.

A few years before World War I, Adamski served in K-troop of the 13th US Cavalry, on the Mexican border. His tombstone lists his World War I military service as private; Company A, 23rd Battalion, US National Guard. He is supposed to have married Mary Shimbersky in 1917, but there is little or no reference to her in his subsequent history, although she seems to have stayed with him until her death, reportedly in 1954.

After his marriage he did maintenance work at Yellowstone National Park. He worked at a flour mill in Oregon, and did concrete contracting work in Los Angeles. In the early 1920s he seems to have been exposed to the I AM cult, and Katherine Tingley’s version of Madame Blavatski's pseudo religion of Theosophy. About 1926 he began to found a succession of several Theosophy-based religious organizations of his own, the best known being the “Royal Order of Tibet,” whose “monastery” was established at Laguna Beach sometime in the 1930s. In 1940 Adamski and his flock of converts moved from Laguna Beach to a rural area near Mount Palomar, California, where they established a commune called “Valley Center,” where they lived under quite primitive conditions.

In 1944 Adamski and his followers built and staffed a tiny hamburger stand at Palomar Gardens, on the lower slopes of Mount Palomar, besides the road leading up to the famed Observatories. Their still-primitive commune was relocated to the area behind the cafe, as seen from the road. Adamski began to hint that he was a “consultant” to the astronomers doing research on Palomar, and started referring to himself as “Professor Adamski.” He became personally responsible for pioneering the movement towards establishing greater public awareness and education towards ET life. Adamski supported his experiences with exceptional UFO photographs and color motion film footage. His documented witnessed encounters with Human ETs from other planets made him one of the most fascinating people of the 20th century.

The Encounter in the desert

On 20th November 1952 at 12.30pm when George Adamski met an ET called Orthon, a long haired youthful man from Venus in front of 6 witnesses in the Californian desert near Mount Palomar; the cat was out the bag, the space people were amongst us and nothing has ever been the same.Adamski‘s life was dedicated to metaphysics, psychicsm and religion and was certainly the prototype for many hippie like teachers to come after him in the 1960’s. The natural laws that he formulated were rather like our own “New Age” concepts.

Adamski’s description of Orthon resembles many other such encounters, with the High forehead and cheekbones, grey green eyes, hairless skin and long thin fingers and white teeth. He said of Orthon that if he had dressed in woman’s clothing he could have passed for a female. In the book “Flying Saucers have landed,” Adamski further described his encounter:

“As I approached him a strange feeling came upon me and I became cautious. At the same time I looked round to reassure myself that we were both in full sight of my companions. Outwardly there was no reason for this feeling, for the man was like any other man and I could see he was somewhat smaller than I and considerably younger.

Suddenly a veil was removed from my mind the feeling of caution left me completely that I was no longer aware of my friends.
No for the first time I realized that I was in the presence of a man from Space – A human Being from another world. The beauty of his form surpassed anything I had ever seen. The pleasantness of his face freed me from any thoughts of my personal self. I felt like a child in front of someone with great wisdom and love and I became very humble within myself, for from him was radiating a felling of infinite understanding and kindness with supreme humility.

He made me understand their coming was friendly. Also as he gestured they were concerned with the radiation going out from Earth. I asked if this concern was due to the explosions of our bombs with their resultant vast radio active clouds. He understood this correctly and nodded his head in the affirmative.

One occasion during an encounter Adamski did not take heed of a warning and got to close to the craft. His arm painfully jerked upwards as though by an electric shock. Orthon wanted humankind to know of their existence, aware that man was on the brink of going into space. Adamski was taken on trips to space and to the hidden side of the moon where he reported seeing water and vegetation. Teachings were about self-responsibility and universal law; a kind of cosmic moral paradigm that binds together the entire animal, mineral and vegetable universe.

Witness testimony

Some 50 years later, arguments surrounding the validity of Adamski’s story still rage on. Alan C Tolman (Aerospace Engineer who appeared in Fastwalkers) described during an interview at the preview of FASTWALKERS, the structure and sensing devices on a picture of an extremely clear shot of a Venusian cigar shaped craft taken by Adamski.

Tolman displays blown up posters of the very same Scout crafts cited by Adamski that had appeared and landed in the UK.. Tolman who met Adamski and witnessed the craft through Adamski’s 15” telescope was so inspired; that he set up his own telescope connected to a TV monitor and took images of the moon with extreme clarity. He confirmed how people from all walks of life met with Adamski including people from the military, to listen to him talk about the Space people and their craft. Tolman mentioned his own encounter with a craft; how it increased its frequency and went brighter and brighter then took off till it looked like one of the stars. Perhaps this was a clue to the notion that the Space People were less dense being of a higher vibration or frequency.

Retired Major Hans C Peterson of the Danish NATO exchange office, washing ton D.C. 1995 asserted that governments and science were simply not telling the truth. Having received pictures from NATO showing smoke rising from the crater, he concluded was that the moon had its own atmosphere. Other pictures showed a camouflaged water reservoir, two square tunnel entrances to a mountain and tracks from objects that have moved up hill. Major Peterson had his own sightings; on one occasion he was given information by a Swedish contactee who confirmed that there were fifteen human looking extraterrestrials living and working in Sweden. Whilst waiting at the airport for Adamski to land, he saw a saucer following his inbound plane.

Adamski's report of seeing 'billions and billions of fireflies.... flickering everywhere', when he visited the dark side of the Moon on one of the Venusian craft, however, was backed up eight years later, when US astronaut John Glen returned from a space flight reporting the very same 'fireflies'.

Evidence and Analysis

Madeleine Rodeffer, a government employee and colleague of Adamski, witness and filmed a Venusian craft over her house. She used an 8mm Bellingham movie camera and allowed Adamski to continue the filming (images on left). Subsequently she met some of the ET’s who arrived in a car to speak with adamski. She claims that they look like ordinary Americans; some with dark hair and some with light hair.

Jim Dilettoso is a well known and respected expert in the field; his specialty is photographic and video analysis. Mr. Dilettoso had this to say on the matter of Adamski's work, what follows are his own words, written by himself in response to questions concerning the Adamski photos. Jim has this to say on the matter, this is a direct quote.

Regarding the Adamski photos. There is no 'proof' of a hoax. In fact, there is no photogrammetric or computer analysis of the Adamski case indicating a small object or a HOAX. People say what they say, quoting a rumor as truth, or convert their opinion to scientific fact. Issues in image analysis are very precise. Small objects have very different properties from large objects; in particular, the edges and the light distribution on the surface.

I have examined over 1000 photographs (unknowns) in 25 plus years, including over 50 control objects (models). I use advanced tools, extract data from the unknown and compare it to data of knowns. If you get a match- it's called a "known". No match- it's an "unknown" The properties of the Adamski craft do not match those of a small model, an optical overlay, or a hoax. Technically speaking, there is no indication of a hoax. It is an unknown.

William Sherwood, Optical Physicist Eastman Kodak analyzed Rodiffer’s film. Sherwood went to the exact location, calculated the distance as 90 foot, triangulated the image size and concluded the disk to be 27ft. diameter. The conclusion was that Rodeffer’s film was true.

This view was shared by Bob Oechler; Mission Specialist of NASA Spacecraft Center, who noticed that there was this haze around the craft and portions of the craft seem to change shape due to the effects of some kind of radiation or energy field. Oechler stated that this alone surpassed any testimony from Adamski or Rodiffer.

One of the witnesses to Adamski’s encounter, Mr. George Williamson, employed at the Veterans Administration hospital at Whipple, Arizona, made a sketch and photograph of the Venusians footprint and, being an amateur anthropologist, brought out some plaster of paris from his car and made cast of the weird footprints. A photograph from a sketch of these footprints appeared with a feature article in the Nov. 24 edition of the Phoenix Gazette.

"A Preliminary Report on Analysis of Symbols from the Footprints left by the Man from Outer Space." These prints show two different patterns on the right and left foot. One figure, that of the swastika, is described as based upon the clock of the universe, the big dipper revolving about the North Star. Other figures are described by Williamson as having their roots of meaning in the universal symbols of the star groupings in the universe.

In 1954, Desmond Leslie is said to have witnessed several UFOs with Adamski while visiting him in California. He described one of them in a letter he sent to his wife while he was in San Diego: “a beautiful golden ship in the sunset, but brighter than the sunset . . . It slowly faded out, the way they do.

Debunking

The arrival of the Space Brothers became a threat to the military. Majestic twelve, a secret control group, also known as the shadow government, ordered the Psychological Strategy Board to debunk UFO sightings and cases involving ET contacts with humans. According to Leslie they feared these contacts could lead to the public knowledge and access of free energy, resulting in the loss of power and control over the oil industry.

The Robertson Panel was a committee commissioned by the Central Intelligence Agency in 1952 in response to widespread reports of unidentified flying objects, especially in the Washington, D.C. area. The panel was briefed on U.S. military activities and intelligence; hence the report was originally classified Secret. The Robertson Panel issued a report recommending an education program based on debunking flying saucers. The governments had been made aware that the extraterrestrials were vehemently against nuclear technology; used for making weapons. Adamski had spoken of free energy, which radiates around the planets.

The government propaganda machine sprung into operation and a 2-tier relationship with Adamski had begun. On the one hand there was a program of covert debunking, whilst on the other hand Adamski was courted by the government and given an Ordnance Pass to visit any government department in Washington. This was confirmed by William Sherwood of Eastman Kodak who himself had such a pass.

It is always possible that some of Adamski’s stories were a little over the top, perhaps embellished somewhat; the result of continuously being challenged for evidence; totally understandable, however it has to be reemphasized that Adamski reported the “Firefly” phenomenon in space long before astronaut John Glen reported such years later?

The debunking continued with stories and accusations that the pictures of Scout ships were taken using wooden models. This was despite the fact that the exact same craft were seen in many other countries including a landing in the lake district of England. After a blonde beautiful looking man had left Adamski’s Hotel room, he was accused of being a homosexual. Other critics pointed out that his book “Inside the Spaceships” 1955 was copied verbatim from one of his earlier novels. Finally in 1965 when Adamski had passed away rumors were spread that he died a wealthy man mainly from fees gained as a result of his lecture tours.

World Lecture Tours

Adamski founded the "Royal Order of Tibet," which held its meetings in the "Temple of Scientific Philosophy.” He gave lectures which were well attended by people across the social spectrum which included military personal. Adamski toured several countries lecturing on the spiritual lessons derived from his contacts. After a meeting with the Queen Juliana of the Netherlands, Dutch Aeronautical Association president Cornelis Kolff said, "The Queen showed an extraordinary interest in the whole subject”.

Adamski reported to Leslie that he was sent to visit the Pope and deliver a sealed package from the ETs. Leslie said that he later checked with Lou Zinsstag, who had allegedly taken Adamski to the Vatican. Zinsstag reported that when they had approached the Vatican and neared the private entrance, a man with "purple at his throat" (apparently a monsignor or a bishop) appeared.

Adamski had cried out, "That's my man!” greeted the papal official, and was led in for an audience with the pope. Zinsstag said that when he reappeared about 20 minutes later, Adamski appeared to be in the same state of excitement and rapture as witnesses had described him being in after his desert contact with the space brothers in 1952. Verification of his visit to Pope John 23rd was his possession a gold medallion with the Popes head embossed on one side. Leslie tells of how his close friend Cardinal Basel Hume explained that such a medal could not be bought and that Adamski must have done something quite important to have received such a gift.

Adamski’s influence had spread across the globe. The right hand side of the August 1978 Grenada commemorative stamp (on right) depicts George Adamski's UFO sighting on May 29, 1950. Sir Eric Matthew Gairy served as Premier of Granada from 1967 till 1974. He was considered a dictator by most and mentally unstable due to his belief in UFOs and his speeches on UFOs at the United Nations (Allegedly a dead ET was found on Granada). Gairy began lobbying the UN in 1977 to create an agency or department to start research on UFO and extraterrestrial life. The result of this was the UN's seminal resolution (33/426) on extraterrestrial life in 1978.
Was this purely coincidental or was Adamski in some way a catalyst to these events?

Adamski as a Hybrid

Leslie cites an occasion when Adamski was at his residence; he lifted his shirt to reveal a tummy without a naval. Instead he had slits radiating outwards from where the naval should be. Astounded, Leslie remarked “George, just who are you?” to which Adamski recalled that when he was 4 years of age he was briefly taken away and brought back unharmed by a complete stranger. Adamski had no memory of exactly what had happened during that time.

The question remains; was Adamski a hybrid or was this part of the story pure fantasy by Leslie ahead of the launch of a few books? My opinion is that it was in all probabilities quite true. The charismatic Leslie was part of a dissemination program by the ETs and the uttering of such a strange description truly resonates and amplifies the story of George Adamski, throughout the generations, even after the living bridges to this era have passed on.

Final resting place

Alice Wells (illustrator) [Flying Saucers - 50 Years Later by C. A. Honey] petitioned the appropriate agencies for interment at Arlington due to Adamski’s services in the American Mexican war. Of course nothing could be further from the truth for only service personal and service diplomats are considered for interment at Arlington. [32] After all it is said that Adamski briefed Kennedy during the Cuban Missile crises. It was resolved was it not? Adamski once confided in Leslie: “My heart is a graveyard of secrets”.

Similar Cases in Common.

The cases involving George Adamski (1891–1965), the pioneer, and his quickly emerging competitors, Truman Bethurum (1898–1969), George Van Tassel (1910–1978), Daniel W. Fry (1908–1992), Orfeo Angelucci (1912–1993), George King (1919–1997), Buck Nelson (1894–1982 all have one thing in common; the uplifting of the human race and the survival of the planet.

The era of the “Contactees” or “Space Brothers” came to an abrupt end in the US with Betty Hill (1920–2004), who introduced a new paradigm to replace Adamski's by now.

Extra terrestrials do walk and live amongst us. Whether it is the Clarion, Suel in Italy, Nordics in Sweden or the Clarion, Aura Rhanes in America, human looking ETs are here and always have been. In the past they were described as angels. As our technology and conciousness advances, so we begin to see these spiritual entities as higher dimensionality beings that have come to a hostile planet Earth to assist us in balancing our technology with the harmonics of the universe.
“Humans are not that familiar with those vibrations only of earth’s tangabilities.”

Leslie realized that these and many sightings took place near nuclear installations. What is the ultimate purpose of life and contact? The soul is the essence of a being that is in a state of ignorance, being in a material body. The earth is a school to elevate consciousness. Adamski and the other contactees had met the teachers.

http://exopoliticsjournal.com/vol-3/vol-3-2-gould.htm
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I have a copy of Grey Barker's Book of Adamski. There is a section called Vimanas and Venusians as well as a Question and Answer with George Adamski. If there is anything worth mentioning I'll add it.

Also I have a 7" 45 of Frank E. Stranges' UFO's Unlimited, the companion to his film Phenomenon 7.7. Stranges, author of Stranger at the White House claims to have met Val Thor.
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Thailand is world famous for lots of things - one is them is the Katoey.

The world's best transgender surgeon works out of Bangkok so its no wonder the Katoey feels at home here.

It's call reconstructive surgery and really this is when a guy becomes a girl.

Katoeys can be very hard to spot just by looks alone.

Can you tell the difference between real Ladies and Katoeys? Hmmm... You think you can, don't you? Here's a simple test: Get 10 points and you're well on the way to be the experienced spotter.

Score a single point and there's still some homework to be done

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Can't we just ask the Russians? They created a Venus explorer back in '75.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/venera75.html

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missions...Code=Venera_09
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Can't we just ask the Russians? They created a Venus explorer back in '75.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/venera75.html

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/missions...Code=Venera_09
The Surface of Venus Revealed



During the cold-war between America and the Soviets the real race was to the moon, but once that race was won a lesser race began to see who would master Mars exploration. After an unbelievably long series of failed Soviet missions to Mars — America managed to take the lead position in Mars exploration as well, with the Mariner and Viking missions. So the Soviets turned their eyes to our other neighbor, Venus, which seemed to garner very little attention from America apart from a few flyby missions. The Russians had Venus all to themselves and really didn’t have to be too concerned with anyone beating them to the punch.

So during the early 70’s the Soviets managed to be quite successful with multiple Venera missions to Venus which included various flybys, orbiters, radar mapping of the surface and even multiple landings on the surface. Some of the missions had failed, but most completed their missions and we have the above color images to prove it. Recently though, I stumbled across these projections of the above images which I have never seen before.


Perspective image mosaics

Someone who knows about such things, Don P. Mitchell (see more on his blog mentallandscape.com) had returned to the original data sent to us by the Venera spacecraft from over 30 years ago and with new computing techniques, managed to reveal to us Venus anew. Instead of just looking at some stones and tiny hints at what a Venusian sky might look like, these projections show what it might actually look like walking on the surface of Venus. The main part of the image above is a composite from spherical projections, which are seen at the top-right, remapped to perspective projections. The way the projection works is the closer you get to the very center of the image, the less accurate the representation may be. However, there is evidence in the data to assume most of what you see here even at the very center where the data was at most thin, is still fairly accurate.

Unfortunately the new projection images were only in black and white and i really missed what seemed to be really fascinating color from the original Venera images… so I tried to colorize it to match the originals.

This interpretation is artistic and not based upon any data other than looking at the original images and trying to assume some of those colors back into Don’s black and white image.



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Based on the captioning of the image below and assuming conventional left to right ordering, Donald Morand is the man on the left, and Bill Jackmart the man on the right.



From post #3 on this thread, quoting the ATS member who first suggested that Dolores is Orthon:

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5. Adamski’s last contact with Orthon, Ramu and Firkon was on 23rd Aug 1954 (ISS) after which both Ramu and Firkon returned to their home planets, having completed their Earth mission. The above Palomar conference was held on 7-8th August, 2 weeks earlier, and it stands to reason that not only was Dolores Orthon, Donald Morand and Bill Jackmart were probably Ramu and Firkon in disguise, who were living in California at the time. Adamski’s descriptions of Ramu and Firkon in ISS do fit the two men in the photo above.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread554264/pg11
'ISS' is Inside The Space Ships by George Adamski, which can be read in full here: http://www.cosmic-people.com/english...pace_ships.htm

Here's Adamski's description of the aliens Ramu and Firkon upon first meeting them:

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I noted that both men were well proportioned. One was slightly over six feet and looked to be in his early thirties. His complexion was ruddy, his eyes dark brown, with the kind of sparkle that suggests great enjoyment of life. His gaze was extraordinarily penetrating. His black hair waved and was cut according to our style. He wore a dark brown business suit but no hat.

The shorter man looked younger and I judged his height to be about five feet, nine inches. He had a round boyish face, a fair complexion and eyes of grayish blue. His hair, also wavy and worn in our style, was sandy in color. He was dressed in a gray suit and was also hatless. He smiled as he addressed me by name.

http://www.cosmic-people.com/english...pace_ships.htm
If Morand and Jackmart were to be Ramu and Firkon, then Jackmart seems most likely to be the person described here:

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The shorter man looked younger and I judged his height to be about five feet, nine inches. He had a round boyish face, a fair complexion and eyes of grayish blue. His hair, also wavy and worn in our style, was sandy in color.

Bill Jackmart

I wouldn't describe his face in the photo as being round, but it's certinly boyish, and there are some patches of light, or sandy-colored hair visible.

This would then be the description of Donald Morand:

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One was slightly over six feet and looked to be in his early thirties. His complexion was ruddy, his eyes dark brown, with the kind of sparkle that suggests great enjoyment of life. His gaze was extraordinarily penetrating. His black hair waved and was cut according to our style

Donald Morand

No mention of sandy-colored hair as per Morand, but hair coloring might have been changed for whatever reason if this were really them appearing incognito. The "penetrating gaze", the "sparkle" in the eyes and the "early thirties" age estimate seem to be a reasonable match. Also based on the position of the horizon in the background of both photos, Morand does look to be slightly taller than Jackmart, which would be another match with Adamski's descriptions.

To figure out which would be Ramu and which Firkon, we have to keep reading Adamski's account:

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An attendant brought the car around, and the younger man slid into the driver’s seat, motioning me to get in be­side him. Our other companion also sat with us on the front seat. The car was a four-door black Pontiac sedan.
So Jackmart would be the driver.

Later Adamski writes:

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The speaker smiled and indicated the driver. “He is from the planet you call Mars. I am from the one you call Saturn.”
Therefore Jackmart would be a Martian and Morand a Saturnian.

later again:

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The Martian I shall call Firkon. The Saturnian is Ramu. My name for the Venusian will be Orthon.

Bill Jackmart (Firkon the Martian?)


Donald Morand (Ramu the Saturnian?)


Dolores Barrios (Orthon the Venusian?)

Here's the full account from that section of the book, of Adamski's first encounter with Ramu and Firkon and his second with Orthon:

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RETURN OF THE VENUSIAN

Los Angeles is a city of lights and noise, of rush and rest­lessness, in striking contrast to the quiet starlight and peace of my mountain home. It was February 18, 1953. I had not come to the city for excitement, but because I had been drawn there by the kind of urgent impression described in Flying Saucers Have Landed.

Following a custom of many years when visiting Los Angeles, I registered in a certain downtown hotel. After the bellboy had brought my suitcase to the room, re­ceived his tip and departed, I stood uncertainly in the middle of the floor. It was only about four o’clock in the afternoon and since I literally did not know what had brought me here, I felt rather at a loose end. I went over to the window and stood staring out at the busy street. There certainly was no inspiration there.

Coming to a sudden decision, I went downstairs, crossed the lobby and wandered into the cocktail lounge. The attendant knew me and, although originally skepti­cal, after talking with me and seeing my photographs of the Saucers, had become keenly interested. He greeted me cordially. After we had chatted a bit he said that a number of people had become interested in his Saucer reports and had asked him to give them a call if I should come in.

He waited for my reaction and I hardly knew what to say. Momentarily at least, I had no plans. While I did not feel particularly like giving an informal lecture to a group of strangers, on the other hand it seemed as good a way as any to pass the time while waiting for . . . well, whatever I was waiting for!

I gave my consent and soon quite a gathering of men and women had assembled. Their interest seemed sin­cere and I answered their questions to the best of my ability.

It was nearly seven o’clock when I excused myself and went a short way down the street to have dinner. I chose to be alone, with only the persistent feeling of “some­thing is going to happen” for company.

After eating in a half-hearted kind of way, I returned to the hotel. There was no one in the lobby whom I knew, and the bar had no further attraction for me.

Suddenly, I remembered Miss M—, a young lady stu­dent of mine who lived in the city. She had been unable to come up to our mountain place for some time and had asked me to call her when next I came down. I went into a telephone booth and dialed her number. She seemed delighted to hear from me. Having no car, however, she explained that it might be an hour or so before she could arrive by streetcar.

I bought an evening paper and, to avoid encountering anyone who might recognize me, I took it up to my room. After I had read what was of interest to me, I forced my­self to wade though items I would ordinarily have skipped; this in an attempt to discipline the restlessness which now permeated my entire consciousness.

Before the hour was up I went down to the lobby to wait for Miss M— and she arrived about fifteen minutes later. We talked for quite awhile and I succeeded in straightening her out in regard to a number of problems which, locked in her mind, had grown out of all propor­tion. Her gratitude was touching and she told me that she had constantly been holding the thought and hope that I would come to the city and help her.

As I walked with her to the corner where she took the streetcar, I wondered if the urge that had reached me in the mountains could possibly have been her telepathic message getting through. But when I was quiet again in the hotel lobby I knew this could not be the explanation. That feeling was still with me—stronger than ever!

I looked at my wrist watch and saw that it said ten-thirty. The lateness of the hour, with still nothing of ex­traordinary significance having taken place, sent a wave of disappointment through me. And just at this moment of depression, two men approached, one of whom ad­dressed me by name.

Both were complete strangers, but there was no hesi­tancy in their manner as they came forward, and nothing in their appearance to indicate that they were other than average young businessmen. Because I had lectured in Los Angeles, made appearances on radio and TV, and also been visited by a great many people from that city at my Palomar Gardens home, such an approach from strangers was not an uncommon experience.

I noted that both men were well proportioned. One was slightly over six feet and looked to be in his early thirties. His complexion was ruddy, his eyes dark brown, with the kind of sparkle that suggests great enjoyment of life. His gaze was extraordinarily penetrating. His black hair waved and was cut according to our style. He wore a dark brown business suit but no hat.

The shorter man looked younger and I judged his height to be about five feet, nine inches. He had a round boyish face, a fair complexion and eyes of grayish blue. His hair, also wavy and worn in our style, was sandy in color. He was dressed in a gray suit and was also hatless. He smiled as he addressed me by name.

As I acknowledged the greeting, the speaker extended his hand and when it touched mine a great joy filled me. The signal was the same as had been given by the man I had met on the desert on that memorable November 20, 1952. (Described in the book Flying Saucers Have Landed.)

Consequently, I knew that these men were not in-habitants of Earth. Nevertheless, I felt entirely at ease as we shook hands and the younger man said, “We were to meet you. Have you time to come with us?”

Without a question in my mind, nor the slightest ap­prehension, I said, “I place myself entirely in your hands.”

Together we left the lobby, I walking between them. About a block north of the hotel, they turned into a park­ing lot where they had a car waiting. They had not spoken during this short time, yet inwardly I knew that these men were true friends. I felt no urge to ask where they proposed to take me, nor did it seem odd that they had volunteered no information.

An attendant brought the car around, and the younger man slid into the driver’s seat, motioning me to get in be­side him. Our other companion also sat with us on the front seat. The car was a four-door black Pontiac sedan.

The man who had taken the wheel seemed to know exactly where he was going and drove skillfully. I am not familiar with all the new highways leading out of Los Angeles, so I had no idea in which direction we were headed. We rode in silence and I remained entirely con­tent to wait for my companions to identify themselves and explain the reason for our meeting.

I realize that such a trusting attitude ordinarily would seem foolhardy in the light of the lawlessness rampant in our world today. But it was an attitude followed by men of other civilizations in the presence of men recognized to possess greater wisdom than they. This custom has also been practiced by the American Indians to show re­spect and humility, patience and faith. I understood this well and conducted myself accordingly, since in the pres­ence of these men I sensed a power which made me feel like a child in the company of beings of vast wisdom and compassion.

Lights and dwellings thinned as we left the outskirts of the city. The taller man spoke for the first time as he said, “You have been very patient. We know how much you are wondering who we are and where we are taking you.

I acknowledged that of course I had been wondering, but added that I was entirely content to wait for this in­formation until they chose to give it to me.

The speaker smiled and indicated the driver. “He is from the planet you call Mars. I am from the one you call Saturn.”

His voice was soft and pleasant and his English per­fect. I had noticed that the younger man also spoke softly, although his voice was pitched higher. I found myself wondering how and where they had learned to speak our language so well.

As the thought passed through my mind, it was im­mediately recognized. The Martian now spoke for the first time since our meeting in the hotel. “We are what you on Earth might call ‘Contact men.’ We live and work here, because, as you know, it is necessary on Earth to earn money with which to buy clothing, food, and the many things that people must have. We have lived on your planet now for several years. At first we did have a slight accent. But that has been overcome and, as you can see, we are unrecognized as other than Earth men.

“At our work and in our leisure time we mingle with people here on Earth, never betraying the secret that we are inhabitants of other worlds. That would be danger­ous, as you well know. We understand you people better than most of you know yourselves and can plainly see the reasons for many of the unhappy conditions that sur­round you.

“We are aware that you yourself have faced ridicule and criticism because of your persistence in proclaiming the reality of human life on other planets, which your scientists say are incapable of maintaining life. So you can well imagine what would happen to us if we so much as hinted that our homes are on other planets! If we stated the simple truth—that we have come to your Earth to work and to learn, just as some of you go to other na­tions to live and to study—we would be labeled insane.

“We are permitted to make brief visits to our home planets. Just as you long for a change of scene or to see old friends, so it is with us. It is necessary, of course, to arrange such absences during official holidays, or even over a week end, so that we will not be missed by our as­sociates here on Earth.”

I did not ask whether my companions were married and had families here on our planet, but I had an impres­sion that this was not the case. For a few minutes silence again remained unbroken as I thought over the informa­tion they had given me. I found myself wondering why I had been singled out to receive their friendship and been given this knowledge by men from other worlds. Whatever the reason, I felt very humble, and very grate­ful.

As I was thinking about all this, the Saturnian gently said, “You are neither the first nor the only man on this world with whom we have talked. There are many others living in different parts of the Earth to whom we have come. Some who have dared to speak of their experi­ences have been persecuted—a few even unto what you call ‘death.’ Consequently, many have kept silent. But when the book on which you are now working reaches the public, the story of your first contact out on the desert with our Brother from the planet which you call Venus will encourage others from many countries to write you of their experiences.” (After the book, Flying Saucers Have Landed, was published, the truth of this prediction was proven)

I felt not only a strong confidence in these new friends, but an overwhelming sense that we were not actually strangers to one another. I also had a deep conviction that these men could answer all questions and solve all problems concerning our world; even to performing feats impossible to Earth men if they deemed such necessary and in keeping with the mission they had come to per­form.

We drove on smooth highways for a long time, pos­sibly an hour and a half. I still had no idea in what direc­tion we were traveling, except to sense that we were en­tering desert country. It was too dark to observe details of the surroundings. My mind continued to be absorbed in reviewing what they had told me and, as I have said before, there was little conversation.

I was jarred out of my musings when, suddenly, we turned off the smooth highway into a rough, narrow, corrugated road. The Martian said, “We have a surprise for you!”

We passed no cars on this road, along which we drove for about fifteen minutes. Then, with mounting excite­ment, I saw in the distance a soft-white glowing object on the ground. We stopped within about fifty feet of it. I estimated it to be some fifteen to twenty feet in height and I recognized its close resemblance to the Saucer, or Scout, of my first meeting almost three months earlier.

As we came to a stop, I noticed that a man was stand­ing on the ground beside the glowing craft. After we had stepped out of the car my companions called out a greet­ing. The man by the Scout appeared to be working on something connected with it. The thee of us walked toward him and, to my great joy, I recognized my friend of the first contact—the man from Venus!

He was dressed in the same ski-type flying suit that he had worn on the first occasion, but this suit was light brown in color with orange stripes at top and bottom of the waistband.

His radiant smile made it clear that he shared my hap­piness over this reunion. After greetings were exchanged, he said, “As we were coming down a small part of this little ship broke, so I have been making a new one while waiting for you to arrive.”

I watched curiously as he emptied the contents of a small crucible onto the sand. “The timing was perfect,” he said. “I was just completing the installation as you drove up.”

It suddenly struck me that he was speaking English with only a slight trace of accent, whereas on our first meeting he seemed unable to speak our language at all. I hoped that he might explain this, but as he did not, I re­frained from questioning.

Instead, I stooped and cautiously touched what ap­peared to be a very small amount of molten metal which he had thrown out. Although still quite warm, it was not too hot to be handled, and I carefully wrapped it in my handkerchief, which I placed safely in an inner pocket of my coat. I still have this bit of metal in my possession.

Although my companions were laughing at my antics, there was no trace of ridicule in their merriment. The Venusian asked, although he must have known the an­swer, “Why do you want that?”

I explained that I hoped it might furnish proof of the reality of their visit and told him that people usually de­manded what they called “concrete evidence” to prove that I was not just “making it all up” when I told of my first meeting with him.

Still smiling, he answered, “Yes, and you are a race of souvenir hunters, aren’t you! However, you will find that this alloy contains the same metals found on your Earth, since they are much the same on all planets.”

Here, I believe, is as good a moment as any to say to my readers that no names, as we know them, were given to me for any of the people I met from other worlds. The reason for this was explained to me but cannot be given here in full. Suffice it to state that there is no involved mystery connected with this but rather an entirely differ­ent concept of names as we use them.

While this no-name state created no awkwardness in my actual encounters with these new friends, I realize that it certainly would do so for the reader, especially in the latter part of this book as contacts mount. Therefore, since we of this world are dependent on our own kind of names for one another, I shall provide them.

While I want to make it very clear that the names I am introducing for these new friends are not their correct names, I wish to add that I have my own good reasons for choosing them, and that they are not without mean­ing in relation to those who will bear them throughout these pages.

The Martian I shall call Firkon. The Saturnian is Ramu. My name for the Venusian will be Orthon.

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Bill Jackmart (Firkon the Martian?)

Jackmart.

Very unusual surname with virtually no online information about it.

Sounds made up.

Could it be a play on words and meant as Jack-Mart? (Martian).

Remember in the previously posted passage from Adamski's book, the driver (Jackmart) said to Adamski:

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“We are what you on Earth might call ‘Contact men.’ We live and work here, because, as you know, it is necessary on Earth to earn money with which to buy clothing, food, and the many things that people must have. We have lived on your planet now for several years. At first we did have a slight accent. But that has been overcome and, as you can see, we are unrecognized as other than Earth men.
The first two definitions of the word 'Jack' are:

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1.Informal A man; a fellow.

2.
a. One who does odd or heavy jobs; a laborer.
b. One who works in a specified manual trade.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/jack
So his last name could translate as:

A man who does odd jobs/a laborer/works in a specified trade - Mart.

Or: A Mart(ian) who works in a specified trade as a man.

That perfectly describes Firkon's role as he defined it for Adamski.

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Donald Morand (Ramu the Saturnian?)

Another unusual surname with little to no background information on the meaning.

Moran, however, without the 'd' at the end raises some interesting possibilities:

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Moran: As a forename the meaning of Moran is believed to be 'teacher' or 'guide' and is said to originate from the Hebrew language, however the meaning of the surname Moran is thought to be 'descendant of the great one' although great is intended in the sense of being large as opposed to being exceptional. This surname is believed to be of Irish origin.

http://meanings-of-names.blurtit.com/q7390089.html
So this could translate as:

Teacher and descendant of the great (large) one.

Could the great/large one refer to the planet Saturn?

Another possibility:

Morand.

Rearrange the bolded letters and it can spell:

Ramo which is very close to Ramu, as in Ramu the Saturnian.

Could he have intended for his name to have been written down as "Murand" when he dictated it, instead of "Morand" which would then result in the word "Ramu" being found when the letters were rearranged?

Finally, if you reverse the name MORAND you get DNAROM

DNA + ROM (Read-Only Memory).

'Rom' also means "A gypsy, esp. a man." (http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&scli...w=1104&bih=568 )



EDIT: Another possibility for Morand:

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Memorandum - Memorandum Mem`o*ran"dum, n.; pl. E. Memorandums, L. Memoranda. [L., something to be remembered, neut. of memorandus, fut. pass. p. of memorare. See Memorable.] 1. A record of something which it is desired to remember; a note to help the memory.
The two letters on either side of morand in memorandum are:

me + um.

Meum.

n. 1. Lit., mine; that which is mine.

So perhaps: That which is mine to be remembered.

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Dolores Barrios (Orthon the Venusian?)

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Dolores means "sorrows", taken from the Spanish title of the Virgin Mary María de los Dolores, meaning "Mary of Sorrows".
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Barrios, de Barrios, Barrio or Berrios is a surname of Basque* origin.

The name may refer to:

Barrio (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈbarjo]) is a Spanish word meaning district or neighborhood.

Spanish: habitational name from any of the numerous places named with Spanish barrio ‘outlying suburb’ (especially an impoverished one), ‘slum’, from Arabic barr ‘suburb’, ‘dependent village’.
Dolores Barrios can be translated as:

sorrows of the district
sorrows of the neighbourhood
sorrows of the outlying suburb
sorrows of the slum
sorrows of the dependent village

- A reference to the suffering on planet Earth perhaps.

Adamski described Orthon as incredibly compassionate and concerned for the fate of our world, so any of those would be a fitting name for such a being to take.



( * That the name Dolores is also of Basque origin is interesting, in that a lot of mystery surrounds the genetic ancestry of the culture. Also the famous Hair of the Alien DNA analysis case in which an Australian man who claimed to have been raped by two female interdimensional entities - one of whom was blonde - produced DNA results from a recovered hair sample that showed extremely rare, spliced mitochondrial DNA of Basque origin.)

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