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Old 18-10-2011, 09:39 PM   #41
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But it's apparent that the thread is an abysmal failure.
Maybe thats because the illuminated ones are far and few between...
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Old 18-10-2011, 09:41 PM   #42
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I was referring to the illuminati. Jesus perhaps I should have said illuminati. No one is actually enlightened, as a self confessed atheist I do not believe in any spiritual component to any of this stuff. It's a horrible human flaw they need to believe in the ethereal.
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Old 18-10-2011, 09:48 PM   #43
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I was referring to the illuminati. Jesus perhaps I should have said illuminati. No one is actually enlightened, as a self confessed atheist I do not believe in any spiritual component to any of this stuff. It's a horrible human flaw they need to believe in the ethereal.
Illuminati Illiumined Illuminated...all just labels.

How do you know, no one is enlightened...
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Old 18-10-2011, 09:56 PM   #44
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Call it clichéd but someone enlightened would have no interest in the material. They would be on a higher level of spiritual consciousness and they would likely share the experience. A bunch of richo's, intellectuals and free thinkers smiting the goat on some altar and performing archaic rituals for shits and giggles.
Rituals based on ideas hundreds of years old would hardly be my definition of enlightenment.

People close to such zen have existed well some are known and some aren't. I would place them as like the dela lama, Gandhi and Jesus christ himself. Oh yea and Mohammad. Usually it didn't end well with them guys or the message got so corrupted as the decades piled on that no one really knows what the fuck these guys where all about.
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Old 19-10-2011, 08:44 AM   #45
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There are some writings around if you are into German:

I. Apologetic writings.

A) Weishaupt,
1) Apologie der Illuminaten, Frankfort and Leipzig, (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39609496/A...luminaten-1786

2) Vollständige Geschichte der Verfolgung der Illuminaten in Bayern (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39508443/V...in-Bayern-1786

3) Das Verbesserte System Der Illuminaten Mit Allen Seinen Einrichtungen Und Graden (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39609658/D...nd-Graden-1787

4) Kurze Rechtfertigung Meiner Absichten (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39507906/K...Absichten-1787

5) Nachtrag Zur Rechtfertigung Meiner Absichten (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39609679/N...Absichten-1787

B) Bassus,
1) Vorstellung denen hohen Standeshäuptern der Erlauchten Republik Graubünden in Ansehung des Illuminaten Ordens (1788)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39508662/V...en-Ordens-1788

C) Knigge,
1) Philo’s endliche Erklärung und Antwort auf verschiedene Anforderungen und Fragen, Hanover, 1788.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39609313/P...er-Illuminaten


II. Documents of the order, published by the Bavarian government or otherwise and hostile polemics.


1) Einige Originalschriften Des Illuminaten Ordens (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39494071/E...en-Ordens-1787

2) Nachtrag Von Weitern Originalschriften 1 Correspondenz (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39494442/N...espondenz-1787

3) Nachtrag Von Weitern Originalschriften 2 Document En (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39494583/N...cument-En-1787

4) Der ächte Illuminat - Edessa (1788)
http://www.scribd.com/Der-achte-Illu...788/d/39265607

5) Cosandey, Renner, and Grünberger, Drei merkwürdige Aussagen die innere Einrichtung des Illuminatenordens, Munich, 1786

6) Grosse Absichten Des Ordens Der Illuminaten (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39494228/G...luminaten-1786

7) Nachtrag Zu Der Schrift Grosse Absichten Des Ordens Der Illuminaten Nr. 1 (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39494624/N...aten-Nr-1-1786

8) Nachtrag Zu Der Schrift Grosse Absichten Des Ordens Der Illuminaten Nr. 2 (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39494708/N...aten-Nr-2-1786

9) Nachtrag Zu Der Schrift Grosse Absichten Des Ordens Der Illuminaten Nr. 3 (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39494796/N...aten-Nr-3-1786

10) Die Neuesten Arbeiten Des Sparticus Und Philo, Munich, (1793)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39493666/D...lo-Munich-1793

11) Illuminatus Dirigens, Oder Schottischer Ritter. Ein Pendant, Etc., Munich, (1794)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39494251/I...tc-Munich-1794

III. Contemporary Commentary
1) Gedanken über die Verfolgung der Illuminaten in Bayern By Johann Joachim Christoph Bode (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39078913/G...toph-Bode-1786

2) Nöthige Aufschlüsse der in Bayern ausgebrochenen Verfolgungen gegen geheime Gesellschaften von Sulpitius von Cosandey (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39078921/N...-Cosandey-1786

3) Aktenmäßige Darstellung der deutschen Union und ihrer Verbindung mit dem Illuminaten-Freimaurer- und Rosenkreutzer-Orden (1796)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39509204/A...zer-Orden-1796

4) Anhang Zu Den Original-Schriften Des Illuminaten-Ordens (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39509256/A...en-Ordens-1787

5) Bemerkungen über einige Originalschriften des Illuminaten-Ordens (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39509357/B...en-Ordens-1787

6) Bruchstücke aus den Begebenheiten eines unbekannten Beherrschers der verborgenen Obern der höhern Illuminaten und höhern Propagande (1794)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39509783/B...ropagande-1794

7) Eine Rede über den Illuminaten-Orden (1794)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39509802/E...ten-Orden-1794

8) Freymaurerische Reise Durch Die Bayerschen Lande (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39509831/F...hen-Lande-1786

9) Hochmuth Kommt Vor Dem Fall Oder Moses Mendelsohn Und Pylades (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39509929/H...d-Pylades-1787

10) Höchst nöthige Beylage zu der vollständigen Geschichte der Verfolgung der Illuminaten in Baiern (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39510049/H...in-Baiern-1786

11) Merkwürdiges Schreiben eines Römisch-Catholischen Geistlichen in Bayern, an seinen Freund und Amtsbruder in Schwaben (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39510098/M...-Schwaben-1786

12) Mirakuloso Oder Der Schreckensbund Der en (1802)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39510309/M...nd-Der-en-1802

13) Nöthige Aufschlüsse der in Bayern ausgebrochenen Verfolgungen gegen geheime Gesellschaften von Sulpitius von Cosandey (1786)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39510318/N...-Cosandey-1786

14) System Und Folgen Des Illuminaten Ordens (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39510496/S...en-Ordens-1787

15) Beylage Zur Apologie Der Illuminaten (1787)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39609504/B...luminaten-1787

16) Schutzschrift für die Illuminaten (1795)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39609339/S...luminaten-1795

17) Uber Die Eklektiker Und Illuminaten (1794)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39609373/U...luminaten-1794


IV. Edicts

1) Wir Karl Theodor... (1785)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39561906/W...l-Theodor-1785

2) Wir Carl Theodor... (1790)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/39561902/W...l-Theodor-1790

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We don't know much about the judgments towards the word but if we go with the word "light" then every one is a light particle/wave. Those that know this are enlightened. Know we don't mean as in intellectual knowledge but experiential which means not being hung up on one state of consciousness, not being anchored towards any mental mantra (atheism included) because any mental blabber distracts one from what is going on and just following the flow of life that flows from the heart. Follow is even wrong because it suggests that you are something that is behind life. You catch our drift don't you ?

We are talking what is going on in the end. It doesn't quite differ if one calls itself Bavarian or not.

Also all "they did it" talk is just sensationalism to point what we all are doing either consciously or unconsciously which includes "Mr. Icke". If he would be honest people would again scream "crucify". This how eternal spirit likes to call it "taqiyya" is in order for many people and especially Mr. Icke.

There is no "other" and "the reptilian" is within (R-Complex).
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Old 19-10-2011, 06:28 PM   #46
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Your likely on about higher spatial awareness. A repeat in the pattern, the one thing that all on the board likely share in common. A thing which causes them to wrap themselves up, in conspiracy theory to try and quantified such thoughts. Knowing this secret means you can exploit it. It is something I feel bears further study, Is it because it's all around us and I don't mean some sublime force. Instead I refer to western culture then with the advent of the interest ideas have permanently flowed into the ether. The spirit of the times.

But man you have seriously increased my work load. I can't speak German and a Google translation would likely lose much in the process. If you are in the know, could you not give me a general rough idea of what Weishaupt thought, What his movement thought at that time. Not your own opinion, no offence. Or any further evolved reasoning within the movement but what he the founder envisioned at the start.
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Your likely on about higher spatial awareness. A repeat in the pattern, the one thing that all on the board likely share in common. A thing which causes them to wrap themselves up, in conspiracy theory to try and quantified such thoughts. Knowing this secret means you can exploit it. It is something I feel bears further study, Is it because it's all around us and I don't mean some sublime force. Instead I refer to western culture then with the advent of the interest ideas have permanently flowed into the ether. The spirit of the times.
Well what you for example call higher spatial awareness it was is aware of the eye, then what is aware of what is aware of the eye etc. What we call it is not important but it is better to call it in the language one can easier commmunicate with (which is what some refer to as the "Zeitgeist" or the spirit of that time/space). What is me is awareness. It is neither higher then anything nor lower. What is seen can be though according to other things that are seen (contrasting experience to other). That is not that important although it is fun and there is also where all sound comes from (wave patterns changing from one "point" to another). It is what we are.

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But man you have seriously increased my work load. I can't speak German and a Google translation would likely lose much in the process. If you are in the know, could you not give me a general rough idea of what Weishaupt thought, What his movement thought at that time. Not your own opinion, no offence. Or any further evolved reasoning within the movement but what he the founder envisioned at the start.
We never had any interest in how he described it.

You can't offend us until we choose to be offended.

Bless you. Don't look for middlemen. There you have it. Not eager to learn German? Get some guys interested in the stuff and get it translated.
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