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Old 20-09-2010, 04:34 AM   #1
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Cold war weapons expert warns could cause generational birth defects

By Glenn Johnson, Postmedia News August 24, 2010

http://www.canada.com/health/Cold+we...399/story.html

A British scientist and former naval microwave weapons expert has waded into the debate over the safety of wireless networks in Canadian schools, warning if left unchecked, generations could face genetic disorders.

Barrie Trower, who specialized in microwave "stealth" warfare during the Cold War, was to lecture at the University of Toronto Tuesday night. His topic: safety concerns surrounding use of Wi-Fi systems in public schools.

While Health Canada maintains it is safe, Trower said there are no scientific studies that categorically state there is no harm from prolonged exposure. He also warns we could be threatening the health of future generations of Canadians who can be affected by microwaves at the DNA level.

"When I realized these same frequencies and powers (as weapons during the Cold War) were being used as Wi-Fi in schools, I decided to come out of retirement and travel around the world free of charge and explain exactly what the problem is going to be in the future," Trower told Postmedia News in an interview Tuesday.

"Children are not small adults, they are underdeveloped adults, so there are different symptoms.

"What you are doing in schools is transmitting at low levels," said Trower, who teaches at Britain's Dartmoor College and holds a degree in physics.

Trower said he's concerned about Wi-Fi in schools because "low level microwaves can damage the ovaries in girls."

"If you damage the DNA, there could be a genetic disorder from the child that is born from that lady when they grow up."

"That girl could have a genetically deformed child, and that could be carried through generations. You are not just risking the current health of your children, you are risking the future generations of your children in your country with genetic disorders."

Health Canada issued a statement last week that said there is no health threat.

"Based on scientific evidence, Health Canada has determined that exposure to low-level radio-frequency energy, such as that from Wi-Fi systems, is not dangerous to the public," said a statement from the federal agency.

"Radio-frequency energy levels from Wi-Fi equipment in all areas accessible to the general public, including school settings, are required to meet Health Canada's safety guidelines (Safety Code 6). Levels of radio-frequency energy emitted from Wi-Fi equipment are typically well below these safety limits."

But a copy of Health Canada's safety guidelines reviewed by Postmedia News contains some paragraphs that suggests some members of the public might suffer from prolonged exposure.

"Certain members of the general public may be more susceptible to harm from RF and microwave exposure," said the guideline.

Health Canada was asked Tuesday to point out any studies that refute Trower's claims, but they were not immediately able to do so.

Trower said that's because no such document exists, nor has any country filed such a report with the World Health Organization or the International Commission for Non-Ionizing Radiation, he contends.

"Parents should have a document from the school saying they take full legal responsibility for any damage caused by Wi-Fi. If they won't give that, the first question should be 'Why?' "

In Ontario, the debate has gone on since February in Simcoe County, near Toronto. Worldwide, the debate dates back more than a decade.

Last week, the Simcoe school board said it has no plans to remove wireless Internet from its elementary and high schools based on concerns from parents that it may be making students sick.

"We don't put children at risk, but we can't just shut it down and affect the learning of 50,000 students because someone says it might have health effects," John Dance, superintendent of education with the Simcoe County School Board, told Postmedia News at the time.

Simcoe County Safety School Committee member Rodney Palmer said his group wants Health Canada to produce any studies that prove the levels are safe.

Palmer equated it to some pesticides, which were once thought to be harmless at any level, but whose use was later curtailed after studies showed any exposure could cause health problems.

"No amount is safe," Palmer said Tuesday.

His group paid the travel expenses for Trower's trip to Toronto, but Trower said he receives no payments and accepts no gifts to maintain his independence.

Other academics differ on whether prolonged exposure to the wireless technology is safe.

Tony Muc, a University of Toronto physics professor, was consulted by the school board and told them that wireless poses no harm.

But Trower's contention about health risks was echoed last week by Magda Havas, a professor in the Centre for Health Studies at Trent University in Peterborough, Ont. She said other forms of microwave exposure � particularly cellphone towers � have been linked to cancers, heart problems, sleeping problems, skin conditions and short-term memory loss.

Children are also more likely to be vulnerable, due to weaker immune systems and because their bodies are still growing.

"It is possible, and I think it is even probable, that this exposure will have an effect on children," Havas said.
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Old 20-09-2010, 04:45 AM   #2
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Yep, that's why I don't use Wi-Fi.

People should just rewire their homes and use a cord.

I try to use the least amount of wireless as possible (try and use load speaker on mobile, corded home phone etc).

Problem is when you got neighbours using it, or you live in an apartment building or something.
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Old 20-09-2010, 02:18 PM   #3
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Yeah , i neither use Wi-Fi.

I only use wire in my home.

The only wireless i use is my cell phone, i mostly use my corded at home phone.

There an is 3G tower very close to my place.

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Old 20-09-2010, 06:10 PM   #4
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Cell phones can cook popcorn.

W-Fi signals are about 50 times stronger than cell phones.

The math isn't hard to do.
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Old 20-09-2010, 06:32 PM   #5
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Cell phones can cook popcorn.

W-Fi signals are about 50 times stronger than cell phones.

The math isn't hard to do.
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Old 20-09-2010, 07:35 PM   #6
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Cell phones can cook popcorn.
I was aware of that.

I have thought about dumbing my cell phone or only use it if i really need it.

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W-Fi signals are about 50 times stronger than cell phones.
My country is full of W-Fi networks specially in the metropolitan areas.

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The math isn't hard to do.
Yeah.

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Old 20-09-2010, 07:41 PM   #7
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there is no way to avoid wifi every block you go to there is a wifi hotspot. even in my local area i can detect at least 7 people using wifi. what is even more scary is that the mayor of london wants to put wifi in every lampost in london so that everyone can access the internet on the go, how scary is that, god knows what the airwaves around us look like if we could see it.

every gaming console out there has wifi by default, every mobile phone out there has wifi by default, even tvs have built in wifi now, there is no escaping it unless you live in a remote place of the earth and stay there.
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Old 22-09-2010, 04:03 AM   #8
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, god knows what the airwaves around us look like if we could see it.
that is possibly the most stupid thing ive ever read

the second most stupid is that wifi uses microwaves at a level that can hurt any one( it doesnt)it operates on about 6w, your oven on a 1000 watts to cook food thats 5 inches away
and the third that wifi signals are stronger than phone signal, you do well to pick up wifi at 120 ft,,, moby signals go for a considerable greater distance

is this just another mindless conspiracy that takes no notice of the laws of physics

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Old 22-09-2010, 04:16 AM   #9
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that is possibly the most stupid thing ive ever read

the second most stupid is that wif uses microwaves( it doesnt)
and the third that wifi signals are stronger than phone signal, you do well to pick up wifi at 60 ft,,, moby signals go for a considerable greater distance

is this just another mindless conspiracy that takes no notice of the laws of physics
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Microwave and Radio Waves

Microwaves are electromagnetic waves with frequencies between 300MHz (0.3GHz) and 300GHz in the electromagnetic spectrum.

Radio waves are electromagnetic waves within the frequencies 3Hz - 300GHz, and include microwaves. Microwaves are at the higher frequency end of the radio wave band and low frequency radio waves are at the lower frequency end.

Mobile phones, phone mast antennas (base stations), DECT cordless phones, Wi-Fi, WLAN, WiMAX and Bluetooth have carrier wave frequencies within the microwave band of the electromagnetic spectrum, and are pulse modulated. Most Wi-Fi computers in schools use 2.45GHz (carrier wave), the same frequency as microwave ovens. Information about the frequencies can be found in Wi-Fi exposures and guidelines.

It is worth noting that the electromagnetic spectrum is divided into different bands based on frequency. But the biological effects of electromagnetic radiation do not necessarily fit into these artificial divisions.
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Snopes CLAIMS it's a hoax, but as you can see in the first video I linked to a heating element hot enough to pop the popcorn from below would have set the tablecloth on fire and destroyed the cell phones.

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Old 01-10-2010, 02:20 AM   #12
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THE EUGENE WAVELENGTH

"A powerful radio signal that may be affecting human health has been
monitored in several Eugene locations and in the air three thousand feet
above the city", proclaimed the Eugene Register-Guard on March 26, 1978.
"The source of the radio signal is unknown." Thus came to light news of the
first electromagnetic biohazards suffered by a major population canter (34).
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Shortly before the Register-Guard printed the story, a middle-aged
Eugene man, Walter Deposkey, came down with mysterious symptoms
remarkably similar to those attributed to microwave sickness (35). He noted
a strange vibration emanating from within his home. He heard voices. He
could not sleep. He suffered burning of his cornea. University of Oregon
industrial hygienist Marshall van Ert, called to investigate Deposkey's
complaints, suffered the same symptoms in the man's home. Disturbed, van
Ert recruited several local engineers to investigate. The engineers measured
an unusual radio signal they determined was capable of producing potential
biohazards. After dogging public health agencies to investigate further, van
Ert broke the story in the papers (36).
The Eugene Signal was described as a radio frequency pulse at 4.75
megahertz, 1,100 cycles per second, recorded within at least two local homes
as well as 3,000 feet above the city (37). The signal's strength was rated at
five hundred thousand watts -ten times the FCC AM licensed limit. The
signal extended as far away as the next town, Corvallis. 150 documented
complaints about the signal prompted Governor Bob Straub, Senator Mark
Hatfield, and Congressman Jim Weaver to demand an EPA investigation
(38). A data analysis by the State Health Department's Radiation Control
Section suggested "probable cause" linking the complaints to the strange
frequency (39). "I was surprised," said Clifford Shrock, a Textronix, Inc. radio
frequency analyst who had written CIA and NSA electronics manuals, "I'd
never seen anything like it before." (40)
Reactions to the story flooded in from around the world. Calls came in
from people telling similar stories about their own distant areas. Several calls
came from technicians offering their hypotheses about the signal, suggesting
a possible link to secret weapons radiation. The people of Eugene began to
learn about Electromagnetic Radiation (EMR) biohazards in a hurry.
No one, however, could get to the bottom of Eugene's problem. The
FCC's Enforcement Division Assistant Chief, Richard Smith, laid the blame
squarely on a naval transmitter at Dixon, California - the "Dixon Duck" (41).
Van Ert and others disputed this conclusion. The Navy denied it. When the
EPA technicians finally arrived, they decided no real problem existed and
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denied that there was any mystery signal. Van Ert, Shrock, and others
strongly disagreed with them. They had felt the signal and had measured it.
But, after holding a cursory press conference, the EPA investigators returned
to Las Vegas headquarters and dodged reporters. Then the investigation
folded.
While some of the citizens of Eugene, Oregon say they continue to
suffer from the signal effects, the Eugene Signal remains an official mystery.
Marshall van Ert left Eugene after he began suffering from EMR symptoms.
Today he is still convinced he was victimized by secret IW radiation and a
government cover-up.
The people of Eugene aren't the only ones complaining of EMR
biohazard effects. Similar symptoms have been reported in such places as
Timmons and Kirkland Lake in Canada. These effects were traced to a
notorious Soviet radio broadcast dubbed by amateur radio operators "the
woodpecker" (42). These effects bear a strong resemblance to the biohazards
inherent in Invisible Weapons like the electromagnetic pulse (EMP) under
development by the Pentagon. Although the people of Eugene didn't know it,
both the U.S. and Soviet military had been working for years to perfect the
use of electromagnetic frequencies as lethal psychological weapons."

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to continue a bit:

THE WOODPECKER

On October 14, 1976, radio communications through the world were
disrupted by powerful radio waves emanating from the Soviet Union (43).
The broadcasts appeared irregularly and varied between very high and very
low frequencies. When the U.S., Canada, Great Britain, and the
Scandinavian countries protested the broadcast, the Soviets apologized,
blaming the disturbance on "experiments". But the nature of the wavelengths
changed and huge electromagnetic standing waves formed, thousands of
miles long, penetrating the earth and extending up into the ionosphere. Due
to its characteristic sound, the signal was dubbed "the woodpecker". The
sound ham radio operators heard all over the world can be replicated by
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tapping a pencil on a table at between eight and fourteen times each second.
The wavelength was traced to alleged "Tesla generator" experiments in the
Soviet cities of Riga and Gomel. The standing waves accompanying them
stretched down both coasts of North America and along the Eastern frontier
of the Soviet Union (44). The "woodpecker" has been blamed for subsequent
shifts in weather patterns resulting from altered trade winds. The change of
winds created a drought in the western U.S. with severe effects on farming
and the U.S economy (45). Several agencies fear that such standing waves
might well have caused the disintegration of ships, including oil tankers, in
the Atlantic (46). But their potential effect on human beings causes even
greater concern.
Just as the human body's nervous system operates electromagnetically,
so the Earth has an electromagnetosphere which, scientists claim, can be
altered to produce dramatic weather shifts. In fact the earth's ionosphere
oscillates at approximately the same frequency as human brain waves
making it a perfect "carrier" off which EMR radiations (in the brain wave
range) can be bounced without any change of frequency. The relationship
between the electromagnetosphere and the EM basis of the human body can
be exploited as a strategic weapon (47). Everyone has experienced mental and
emotional shifts during changes of weather. Imagine the power open to those
who, flicking a switch, could control the earth's atmosphere and change not
the weather but the brainwaves of entire populations.
Both the U.S. and Soviet governments know that a strong pattern
exists correlating geophysical phenomena and political disturbances, health,
and mood swings. For these reasons the "woodpecker" signal alarmed the
U.S."
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What.The.Fuck

I use wi fi for da ps3 which I'm typing from
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Old 18-10-2010, 06:04 PM   #15
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What.The.Fuck

I use wi fi for da ps3 which I'm typing from
And it's irradiating your DNA and nerve tissue as you do so.
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Old 18-10-2010, 06:19 PM   #16
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Cell phones can cook popcorn.

W-Fi signals are about 50 times stronger than cell phones.

The math isn't hard to do.
That's complete bs. You've been suckered by a youtube video. A cellphone outputs around 3 mW or 3/1000ths of a watt of power. A microwave oven outputs around 1000 W. It takes a 1000W microwave more than a minute to get popcorn kernels to begin to pop. However in the video, the 3mW phone pops them instantly. It's a video editing trick.

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That's complete bs. You've been suckered by a youtube video.
And your evidence for that claim would be what exactly?

Snopes, a site known to spread misinformation in the service of TPTB? HA!
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And your evidence for that claim would be what exactly?

Snopes, a site known to spread misinformation in the service of TPTB? HA!
The evidence is in the physics of EM and power. How could 3/1000ths of a watt of power instantly pop a kernel that a 1000 watt microwave takes over a minute to pop? The popcorn was dropped, and then played backwards, then edited in, to make it appear that it popped. Notice how all of the popcorn kernels travel perfectly straight up when they pop.

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The evidence is in the physics of EM and power. How could 3/1000ths of a watt of power instantly pop a kernel that a 1000 watt microwave takes over a minute to pop? The popcorn was dropped, and then played backwards, then edited in, to make it appear that it popped. Notice how all of the popcorn kernels travel perfectly straight up when they pop.
Are you seriously claiming popcorn never goes straight up when it pops and citing that claim as evidence of the safety of cell phones?

Who do you work for, Motorola?

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http://www.snopes.com/science/cookegg.asp

they probably got bought out by Big Phone, though
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