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Old 03-08-2010, 11:32 PM   #41
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At the end of Casino everybody is dead in a way most people dont wish to end their lives.

Goodfellas nearly the same.

Heat, all the bad guys die.
it doesn't matter...the movie glamorizes the lifestyle of those who steal...to young impressionable minds all that matters is the money, because, again, they know it's only a movie, and they will rationalize by saying, "i wont make the same mistake"...when people are desperate for money, they will do most anything. why is Pacino's Scarface so popular? because he steals and doesn't care who gets in his way...on some level that type of aggressive behavior which is in reaction to people blocking your dream of being rich, violent behavior is glorified and celebrated.

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No Country rather than showing random events shows a possible path in response to chosen decisions.
The message of the movie is randomness...Anton's coin, Lewellen's death happens off screen and at the most inconvenient time for the plot...that is totally random. the random chance of finding the suitcase of money. the randomness of Anton's murders, as he kills some people for no apparent reason and leaves others alive who you thought he would surely kill.

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There arent any black people in it either.
You mentioned Blood Diamond, I was talking about that. Demonization of black people, portraying them, for the most part, as savages...nothing new.

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I havent watched oceans 11.
you're missing out on a great, fun, popcorn flick.
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Old 04-08-2010, 12:22 AM   #42
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it doesn't matter...the movie glamorizes the lifestyle of those who steal...to young impressionable minds all that matters is the money, because, again, they know it's only a movie, and they will rationalize by saying, "i wont make the same mistake"...when people are desperate for money, they will do most anything. why is Pacino's Scarface so popular? because he steals and doesn't care who gets in his way...on some level that type of aggressive behavior which is in reaction to people blocking your dream of being rich, violent behavior is glorified and celebrated.



The message of the movie is randomness...Anton's coin, Lewellen's death happens off screen and at the most inconvenient time for the plot...that is totally random. the random chance of finding the suitcase of money. the randomness of Anton's murders, as he kills some people for no apparent reason and leaves others alive who you thought he would surely kill.



You mentioned Blood Diamond, I was talking about that. Demonization of black people, portraying them, for the most part, as savages...nothing new.



you're missing out on a great, fun, popcorn flick.
That is a very thoughtfull interpretation of the film.

The film follows the book very accurately.

Lewellen's death happens off-screen to demonstrate the value of life in regards to the real world. Which means it is of no consequence.

I die, you die, it means nothing other than an aside to the feelings of our friends and relatives.

Most film goers dont even realise he is dead until informed.

A lot of my freinds even commented that there was no 'end' to the film.
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Old 14-08-2010, 08:45 PM   #43
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in 1977 spielberg made close encounters of the third kind, and in 1980 E.T.

very benevolent alien flicks

years later, spielberg spoke about how he regretted allowing Roy Neary to leave his family and enter the mothership at the end, and if he could re-do the film he would make that change...he also took the guns out of E.T. and replaced them with walkie talkies, saying he hated having kids in danger like that

then a few years later he makes War of the Worlds...a violent, aggressive, frightening alien invasion flick

for a man who claims to hate putting children in danger he seems to have no problem having the young girl, played by Dakota Fanning in the middle of a nightmare scenario involving giant mechanoid aliens ships that disintegrate people, herd mentality violence involving a gun, and a basement scene with a shotgun

he seems to either have his priorities mixed up, or War of the Worlds was a total agenda movie...to make the public afraid of aliens instead of hopeful and inviting as he portrayed in his earlier films, even after claiming he hated the very little violence and abandonment in those earlier films, he goes off and makes the most violent, depressing, and frightening fiction movie of his career (i leave out Private Ryan and Schindler's List because they are historical recounts of real events)

none of this is adding up. same with george lucas. he made star wars, it was a massive hit, but he hated it and hated directing, quit directing and bitched and moaned about star wars for years after...yet he goes and directs three more prequels in the late 90s/early 2000s.

he even spoke non stop about wanting to make smaller, more personal films after the first trilogy was completed...he's worth 3 billion dollars, can do anything he wants, yet instead of directing smaller more personal films, which he could easily do, he labors for 10 years to make three more of the movies he can't stand???

what's going on here?

again, it seems lucas has an agenda with those movies....he's rumored to be working with NASA and the NSA...his aunt is the former head of a special section of the UN.
I just finished watching 'WOTW' for the nth time.

Its definitely not his best.

What I cant understand is the mentality of the 'awoken' when it comes to films such as these.

People that put themselves above the so called sheep yet cannot trust themselves to watch an old fashioned sci-fi flick without being brainwashed.

FFS
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Old 14-08-2010, 09:26 PM   #44
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then a few years later he makes War of the Worlds...a violent, aggressive, frightening alien invasion flick

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Like I said I just watched again, and you know what?

The aliens are all dead at the end.

Which kind of negates the frightening aspect of it.

Humanity survives.

Why dont you see that as the message?

I know, do you?
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Old 14-08-2010, 09:44 PM   #45
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Like I said I just watched again, and you know what?

The aliens are all dead at the end.

Which kind of negates the frightening aspect of it.

Humanity survives.

Why dont you see that as the message?

I know, do you?
That's besides the point, Humanity has to win, there has to be a happy ending, otherwise people leave the cinema unhappy and upset, then the film pans.
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Old 14-08-2010, 10:05 PM   #46
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That's besides the point, Humanity has to win, there has to be a happy ending, otherwise people leave the cinema unhappy and upset, then the film pans.
So what is the point?

Where is the message.
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Old 15-08-2010, 03:18 PM   #47
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I was just thinking having read through this thread about the deeper psychological maybe even spiritual effects watching a movie can have on us. For instance if we ever meditate enough to the point where we experience visions it comes in the form of patterns, symbols and metaphorical video-esque clips that unfold in the minds eye, these visions show us things about ourselves and our multi-dimensional reality in a way which in a sense a movie does but external to us. Could it be that movies, especially going to the cinema, kind of emulates unknowingly or knowingly that very deep almost metaphysical experience we get from tapping into our very own visionary capacity within our brain? - a fully activated pineal gland springs to mind

I think that maybe in the ancient times we got in touch with that space within us more to get guidance from these visions and intuitive feelings, helping us navigate through life in the best possible way. I guess many people seek that kind of enlightment through movies unwittingly, seeking to be deeply moved and in some cases feel a deep sense of identification with the characters or desire to immerse themselves into the world the movie creates as a means of escapism, which in a way distracts us from persuing an inward spiritual path, I guess it goes for tv too with so many channels to choose from and most of them not being healthy for your spirtual wellbeing, making us trance out to garbage and tainted wisdom. I hope this post makes some kind of sense and doesn't come off as neurotic or summink!
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Old 15-08-2010, 04:48 PM   #48
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I was just thinking having read through this thread about the deeper psychological maybe even spiritual effects watching a movie can have on us. For instance if we ever meditate enough to the point where we experience visions it comes in the form of patterns, symbols and metaphorical video-esque clips that unfold in the minds eye, these visions show us things about ourselves and our multi-dimensional reality in a way which in a sense a movie does but external to us. Could it be that movies, especially going to the cinema, kind of emulates unknowingly or knowingly that very deep almost metaphysical experience we get from tapping into our very own visionary capacity within our brain? - a fully activated pineal gland springs to mind

I think that maybe in the ancient times we got in touch with that space within us more to get guidance from these visions and intuitive feelings, helping us navigate through life in the best possible way. I guess many people seek that kind of enlightment through movies unwittingly, seeking to be deeply moved and in some cases feel a deep sense of identification with the characters or desire to immerse themselves into the world the movie creates as a means of escapism, which in a way distracts us from persuing an inward spiritual path, I guess it goes for tv too with so many channels to choose from and most of them not being healthy for your spirtual wellbeing, making us trance out to garbage and tainted wisdom. I hope this post makes some kind of sense and doesn't come off as neurotic or summink!
Its not neurotic at all to have an opinion.

I dont understand the post but Im beginning to think I am completely dumb regarding this forum.

Keep posting and good luck in your introspection. Best wishes.
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R2D2 saves the galaxy in all six Star Wars movies.

Artificial intelligence saves the galaxy in all six Star Wars movies.
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Btw, we are always given a bleak picture of the future in movies. Yet we are also told that we must be optimistic and positive at the same time?

Another example of Orwellian double think?
Yes what would a good history channel program be without a dark and brooding vision of ecological apocalypse and mass human sacrifice:

http://www.history.com/shows/life-after-people
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Haha indeed! Although Avatar is a very positive movie I think. And so are some of Speilbergs and Lucas's movies... but you know. It seems most of their attitudes have changed..
Avatar a positive movie? Are you sure...? I watched it and did not feel it had a positive message and I can assure you it was not because some truth-movement mouthpiece was telling me what to think about it. So I respectfully disagree with your opinion that it is positive. I for one am pretty sick of this "Gaia" bullhockey..

"Mother" earth does not "side" with life if it means all humans get wiped out... and who said earth was female anyway?
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Btw, we are always given a bleak picture of the future in movies. Yet we are also told that we must be optimistic and positive at the same time?

Another example of Orwellian double think?
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Yes what would a good history channel program be without a dark and brooding vision of ecological apocalypse and mass human sacrifice:

http://www.history.com/shows/life-after-people
Enough of that you two!

Buy an IPad or take out a mortgage will ya?!!

Gotta keep that enthusiasm alive...


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Its not neurotic at all to have an opinion.

I dont understand the post but Im beginning to think I am completely dumb regarding this forum.

Keep posting and good luck in your introspection. Best wishes.
yeah I guess I'm only musing lightheartedly, thanx for the welcoming response You're not completely dumb at all, it's just I'm probably on the wrong forum! But hey it's fun to post ideas and connections I may have made concerning the deeper nature to what goes on in our world.
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I just finished watching 'WOTW' for the nth time.

Its definitely not his best.

What I cant understand is the mentality of the 'awoken' when it comes to films such as these.

People that put themselves above the so called sheep yet cannot trust themselves to watch an old fashioned sci-fi flick without being brainwashed.

FFS
please show me the quote where i stated we cannot trust ourselves to watch old fashioned sci-fi flicks without being brainwashed...thanks.
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The aliens are all dead at the end.

Which kind of negates the frightening aspect of it.

Humanity survives.

Why dont you see that as the message?

I know, do you?
you don't know what trauma based mind control is, do you?
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please show me the quote where i stated we cannot trust ourselves to watch old fashioned sci-fi flicks without being brainwashed...thanks.
FFS Ambler you dont need a direct quote when you have repeatedly said Hollywood is brainwashing people.

I watch at least two films a night and they havent changed my view on anything.

You have stated yourself that you are a film maker.

What is your message? Who are you trying to brainwash (a ridiculous term in itself)?.

You are suggesting that people have no control of their own thoughts.

That suggestion is more insidious than anything an entertainment film can throw at people.
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you don't know what trauma based mind control is, do you?
Your right, because it doesnt exist outside of your own mind.
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Most of what we are told and shown on TV are lies. Did you know that?

Even the portrayal of other countries are lies, and the propaganda that every country in the world has no freedom except America. Most of the evidence contradicts that propaganda. But most Americans believe it cause they are programmed to. Ask most immigrants in America and they will tell you that they had MORE freedom (but less money) in their original countries. It's only Hollywood that shows the lie that everyone experiences more freedom in America than abroad. Reality is always different than what you see on TV.

Russians are portrayed in movies as cold, grim and sullen, while Americans as extroverted and wild. But when I went to Russia, it was the opposite. Everyone was very sociable and open to me, more than I could ever dream of. I met more people in one week in Russia, than I did in 10 years in America. In America, social interaction is mostly for business, not for bonding with others. Everyone lives in their own bubble. Neighbors don't talk to each other. It's a very isolated society, but Hollywood shows the exact opposite. Why the lie? And why the misportrayal of Russians? Why? Why? Why?

They also never use real Russian actors when they portray Russians. I wonder why. Maybe it's because real Russians do not like to portray false stereotypes about their people?

Another lie is that the TV always show women saying that men never call them as they promise, and always agree to dates and then flake out on them. But everyone I've seen in real life say the opposite happens, that women give men their number and then screen out their calls, or that men obsessively call women all the time to ask for dates, but the women screen out their calls or not answer the phone or flake out on the men after promising them dates. It's extremely rare that a guy will promise to call a woman and then not do it. I don't know of any guy who does that.

Yet the TV acts like that's common.

Obviously, someone up there is trying to remove us as far away from reality as possible.

Sorry for the rant. But I'm sick of TV showing the opposite of reality. It's obvious that most of what you see on TV are lies. If you travel a lot and don't just stay home and work and consume, you'll see that.

And if you tell the truth about everything, you don't get on TV, that's for sure. Only liars get air time.

This world is sick.
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Most of what we are told and shown on TV are lies. Did you know that?

Even the portrayal of other countries are lies, and the propaganda that every country in the world has no freedom except America. Most of the evidence contradicts that propaganda. But most Americans believe it cause they are programmed to. Ask most immigrants in America and they will tell you that they had MORE freedom (but less money) in their original countries. It's only Hollywood that shows the lie that everyone experiences more freedom in America than abroad. Reality is always different than what you see on TV.

Russians are portrayed in movies as cold, grim and sullen, while Americans as extroverted and wild. But when I went to Russia, it was the opposite. Everyone was very sociable and open to me, more than I could ever dream of. I met more people in one week in Russia, than I did in 10 years in America. In America, social interaction is mostly for business, not for bonding with others. Everyone lives in their own bubble. Neighbors don't talk to each other. It's a very isolated society, but Hollywood shows the exact opposite. Why the lie? And why the misportrayal of Russians? Why? Why? Why?

They also never use real Russian actors when they portray Russians. I wonder why. Maybe it's because real Russians do not like to portray false stereotypes about their people?

Another lie is that the TV always show women saying that men never call them as they promise, and always agree to dates and then flake out on them. But everyone I've seen in real life say the opposite happens, that women give men their number and then screen out their calls, or that men obsessively call women all the time to ask for dates, but the women screen out their calls or not answer the phone or flake out on the men after promising them dates. It's extremely rare that a guy will promise to call a woman and then not do it. I don't know of any guy who does that.

Yet the TV acts like that's common.

Obviously, someone up there is trying to remove us as far away from reality as possible.

Sorry for the rant. But I'm sick of TV showing the opposite of reality. It's obvious that most of what you see on TV are lies. If you travel a lot and don't just stay home and work and consume, you'll see that.

And if you tell the truth about everything, you don't get on TV, that's for sure. Only liars get air time.

This world is sick.
Here is an example of what I mean from my video in Russia. See description below:

Did you know that nearly everything on American TV is a LIE? For instance, they ALWAYS show Russians as being cold, grim and sullen, and Americans as being open, expressive and wild. But reality is the exact opposite.

I met more people in Russia in one week than I did in America in 5 years! Seriously. No wonder why they never use real Russian actors to portray Russians. Perhaps real Russian's won't go along with this false stereotype of them?

Anyhow, here in this video I show how the real Russians are from my three trips there. It is totally UNREHEARSED and UNSCRIPTED. You will see how sociable and fun they are in their natural environments, outside the US matrix which is all about control and fakeness.

Here's another comparison you never hear about in the US:

In America, the most friendly and inclusive people you can meet tend to be either children or elderly/seniors, not young adults and least of all, young adult FEMALES! However, in Russia, young adults, male and female, are very open, inclusive and easy to meet and socialize with. Much more than the US and other socially cliquish conservative countries!

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Avatar a positive movie? Are you sure...? I watched it and did not feel it had a positive message and I can assure you it was not because some truth-movement mouthpiece was telling me what to think about it. So I respectfully disagree with your opinion that it is positive. I for one am pretty sick of this "Gaia" bullhockey..

"Mother" earth does not "side" with life if it means all humans get wiped out... and who said earth was female anyway?
Well if you see it negatively, then good for you But it's symbolic of what's happening on this Earth right now. The only negative about it is that hardly anyone in the cinema realizes it or even cares to.
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