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Old 16-04-2010, 10:21 PM   #1
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Question When is Germany going to be sovereign?

It's 65 years after the end of hostilities in WWII. It's 20 years after the two occupied half's of Germany were reunited. Did the Allied occupying powers relinquish control? Why does the Reich still exist, at least de jure? Why does the UN still list Germany among enemy nations?

Reconstituting the "When is Germany going to be free?" thread


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Old 16-04-2010, 10:29 PM   #2
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I am going to continue exposing the criminal traitors to the people, so they can hopefully be brought to justice once and for all.

'Constitutional' complaint about section 146 'Basic Law' at 'Constituional Court' ...

http://www.dr-wesener.de/Art146GG.pdf

http://www.buergeranwalt.com/02-ra-s...erfassung.html

http://translate.google.de/translate...erfassung.html (google translation)

http://www.artikel5.de/gesetze/gg.html

http://translate.google.de/translate...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8 (google translation)



http://www.kanzlerdaemmerung.de/9-0-...t-Teil-II.html

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I believe it will never be free.

Anyway

What`s the point of getting free if it`s only on nice piece of paper?
The point is, we would be free of foreign occupation and rule, because the still existing German Reich is not member of the corporation UN.
Thus, we would be free from the banksters in theory, at least the german people were able to really decide without suppressive laws and occupiers overrule rights.

In detail, it would be the end of german troop contribution to illegal aggressive wars, the end of military bases of the US, the end of mind prison, the end of massive immigration, the end of the nasty EU...etc

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Old 16-04-2010, 10:45 PM   #4
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Als Feindstaaten werden in Artikel 53 jene Staaten definiert, die während des Zweiten Weltkrieges Feind eines aktuellen Unterzeichnerstaates der Charta waren – also primär Deutschland und Japan.
Die Artikel entstanden 1945 mit der Urfassung der Charta in der Endphase des Zweiten Weltkrieges, sind jedoch auch noch in der aktuell gültigen Fassung enthalten.


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN-Feindstaatenklausel
Why is there no english wiki entry? Or even any other language?

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The enemy states are those states defined in Article 53, which were during the Second World War enemy of a recent signatory to the Charter - that is, primarily Germany and Japan.

The article originated in 1945 with the original version of the Charter in the final stages of World War II, however, also contained in the currently valid version.
Why the hell is that?
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In this connexion, the observation was made, however, that simple amend- ment of various provisions of the Charter, such as Arti- cles 53, 107 and 109 would prove to be insufficient, as had been the case with the amendments adopted by the General Assembly in 1963, 1965 and 1971 in connexion with Articles 23, 27, 61 and 109, to align the Charter with present-day circumstances.
Article 53 UN charta

In almost 60 years, they haven't found the time to address this? Why is that?

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The Security Council shall, where appropriate, utilize such regional arrangements or agencies for enforcement action under its authority. But no enforcement action shall be taken under regional arrangements or by regional agencies without the authorization of the Security Council, with the exception of measures against any enemy state, as defined in paragraph 2 of this Article, provided for pursuant to Article 107 or in regional arrangements directed against renewal of aggressive policy on the part of any such state, until such time as the Organization may, on request of the Governments concerned, be charged with the responsibility for preventing further aggression by such a state.
The term enemy state as used in paragraph 1 of this Article applies to any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory of the present Charter.

http://www.un.org/Overview/Charter/chapter8.html

Article 106

Pending the coming into force of such special agreements referred to in Article 43 as in the opinion of the Security Council enable it to begin the exercise of its responsibilities under Article 42, the parties to the Four-Nation Declaration, signed at Moscow, 30 October 1943, and France, shall, in accordance with the provisions of paragraph 5 of that Declaration, consult with one another and as occasion requires with other Members of the United Nations with a view to such joint action on behalf of the Organization as may be necessary for the purpose of maintaining international peace and security.

Article 107
Nothing in the present Charter shall invalidate or preclude action, in relation to any state which during the Second World War has been an enemy of any signatory to the present Charter, taken or authorized as a result of that war by the Governments having responsibility for such action.
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Old 16-04-2010, 10:51 PM   #5
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Angry Martina Pflock

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Martina Pflock was an attractive, middle-aged woman who had high hopes for her inquisitive and energetic eight-year-old daughter. She had a remarkable vision of the future and, having stumbled upon knowledge legally accessible to ordinary people but deliberately obscured by the ruling caste, she shared what she knew with others and gave hope to a town ravaged by government corruption. The year was 2004.

Martina, who was surprised to find she had a gift for public speaking, had found herself pushed to the forefront of a local campaign in Friedrichroda against municipal price gouging on the treatment of wastewater and sewage. She discovered something else that is readily admitted by constitutional lawyers and reluctantly acknowledged by nervous government officials. The Federal Republic of Germany (BRD), devised by the post-war occupying authorities in the western sector as a corporate settlement agency not designed to replace the pre-Hitler German Reich of 1918, had, following re-unification, legally expired on 18 July 1990 by dint of an international treaty, just three months before the official reunification of West and East Germany. [1]

She quickly realised that Germans were living in a state that simply did not exist; that none of the officials she was fighting had any right to govern; that only the pre-Weimar German Reich had the legal authority to raise taxes and not the BRD; that all of the laws of the land were constitutionally invalid. The German people, if only they learned the truth, were free. [2]

The more she learned, the more she discovered that natural-born Germans had been the victims of a cruel hoax: an 86-year experiment in pre-scripted political developments, manipulative historiography, and Satanic mind-control under the auspices of a wealthy and powerful Judeo-Masonic elite. The more she realised the scale of the deception, the more determined she was to secure "a future worth living" for her daughter. And the more she spoke out about the Jewish power matrix, the more anxious the government became.

Everyone who met Martina Pflock fell in love with her. Everyone, that is, except the three men she threatened to expose as criminals at the centre of a vast web of fraud and deceit: State Attorney, Andreas Trautvetter, Christean Wagner and the socialist Mayor, Klaus Henniges.

The political elites in Berlin began to panic. Surreptitious phone calls were placed on encrypted satellite channels at the dead of night. Something had to give.

On 2 November 2004, a dispassionate Hessen Radio report casually mentioned that a woman and her child had died instantly in a head-on collision with a tree on a remote country lane. Her name was Martina Pflock. Friedrichroda went into shock and strangers comforted each other on the streets as they broke down and cried.




The Unusual Car Accident


The local newspaper published a brief report. Then a news blackout ensued. [3]

Nobody knew who had been the first at the scene of the accident because officials said they didn't know. Nobody knew exactly how Martina and her daughter had died because no inquest was held. Nobody knew where the bodies were kept because nobody was informed; and nobody got the chance to pay their last respects because the corpses were hurriedly cremated in Gotha, a town almost 30 miles away from Friedrichroda.

It later transpired that the much-feared secret police, the Verfassungsschutz, usually referred to as the VS or V-men, had been watching Martina and had even been sending her hints that she was playing with fire.
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Old 16-04-2010, 11:05 PM   #6
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Germany’s sovereignty restricted by US and allies, insider’s book claims
07 November, 2009, 09:31

The former head of the West German Military Intelligence has issued a book revealing secret details of a 1949 US-German treaty, alleging America and its allies have been deliberately suppressing the nation’s sovereignty.

Twenty years after the Berlin Wall fell and the most painful wounds have healed, there seems to be no more uncomfortable truths left for Germans.

Yet some still manage to come up with hot potatoes – and the biggest these days is from the former head of the intelligence service in West Germany.

In Gerd-Helmut Komossa’s book “The German Card”, he claims Germany has, until now, been controlled by the United States and its allies, and was even viewed as a possible target.

“At a NATO meeting, I realized that a possible plan was for the alliance to hit the largest dam in West Germany with a nuclear bomb. If strikes had taken place, a great number of civilians would have died,” Gerd-Helmut Komossa says in his “The German Card” book.

The retired General details a secret pact he alleges was signed in 1949 between Germany and the US, and which will be in force for another 90 years.

Komossa says the secret agreement means that all political parties in Germany are supervised by a special Washington-based body, that the country’s army takes part in all NATO missions at first demand and that all German gold reserves are stored in New York.

For some though, the content of the book came as nothing surprising.

“Remember Prime Minister Putin’s proposal to Germany, to share with Russia natural gas trading throughout Europe? It was made a couple of years ago. And the German leadership answered exactly the same way as the German leadership did in 1952 – with silence. But what is the reason for Germany not to participate in such a lucrative business as trading natural gas throughout Europe? Of course, somebody had to advise them not to rush into it immediately,” says Aleksandr Fomenko, a political analyst from Moscow.

Surprisingly, it was a small publisher from Austria – not Germany – who first became interested in the book.

“My personal opinion is that it was obviously clear that the Democratic Republic of Germany was not a sovereign country, and that it was really under the rule of the Soviet Union,” says Wolfgang Dvorack-Stocker, publisher of “The German Card”. “And if it comes out that the Federal Republic of Germany also was not a really sovereign country, I think this could change the discussion of history a bit.”

Reviews by the first readers quickly turned into heated debates on German Television. The author was bombarded with criticism for doubting the democratic principles brought to the country by the West.

As a result, Komossa has refused to give any more interviews and has even apologized for some uncomfortable chapters in the book.

It’s not every day that a chief of intelligence discloses secrets about a political regime and, with some good promotion, the book could become a bestseller.

But in Germany its distribution is up against some difficulties. The country’s biggest bookshop – Dussmann, which is also “a cultural foundation”, has refused to sell the book at all.

The contents of the book, though, will soon be available to millions more readers. “The German Card” has recently been translated into Russian. The publisher expects strong sales and believes the most heated debates are yet to come. Source RT
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of the 1949 US-German secret treaty
Top intelligence officers rarely reveal secret strings, pulling the nation's political mechanism. Publication of a book like The German card. The obscure game of secret services, authored by Gerd-Helmut Komossa (Gerd-Helmut Komossa. DIE DEUTSCHE KARTE. Das verdeckte Spiel der geheimen Dienste. Ares-Verlag, Graz 2007. - 230 S.), is an exceptional occurrence.

Raising very sensitive issues, the author appeals to the core of German identity that had been deliberately suppressed for decades by the United States and its allies. The book is focused on contradictions between the United States and Germany, sometimes very strong but not supposed to be discussed in public. It was published in Austria, and its distribution in Germany may encounter certain difficulties today. Still, the very fact of its appearance indicates that the German intelligence community is increasingly dissatisfied with the role of a vassal of the United States (the definition applied to Europe by Zbigniew Brzezinski), imposed on Western Germany after World War II. Gerd-Helmut Komossa reveals the uncomfortable truth about the post-war conditions, dictated by the US and its allies.

The state treaty, dated May 21, 1949 and classified by BND as top secret, suggests restrictions of state sovereignty of the Federal Republic of Germany, introduced for a period until 2099. These restrictions include the provision that the winning coalition exercise complete control over Germany's mass media and communications; that every Federal Chancellor is to sign the so-called Chancellor Act; that the gold reserve of Germany is kept under arrest. In fact, all the German Chancellors, including the incumbent Chancellor Angela Merkel, pay their first foreign visit necessarily to the United States. The whole spectrum of German political parties is supervised by a special Washington-based controlling body, while local US-licensed media serve as a more sophisticated means of brainwashing than the Nazi propagandist machine. Meanwhile, Germany's territory is still occupied by US troops.

This astonishing picture is not a fancy concoction of a political leftist. It is drawn by a military man whose mind has accumulated the experience of several crucial stages of development of the European civilization and Germany in particular. Gen. (Ret.) Gerd-Helmut Komossa took part in World War II and later in the Cold War. Possessing huge amounts of information, he analyzes the existing mechanisms of global policy with strong criticism. Joining the Wehrmacht in 1943 as a volunteer, Komossa served at the Eastern front. Between May 1945 and April 1949, he was a prisoner of war. In the USSR, he got acquainted with many Russians who appeared to be quite different from the image imposed by the official Nazi propaganda. Since 1956, he served in the German Bundeswehr, re-established under certain conditions. The abovementioned secret treaty admitted that the German sovereignty is sufficient for the right to build up military forces. According to the Constitution, the troops of the Federal Republic of Germany are carrying put exceptionally defensive functions. However, the Western coalition was pursuing different goals. It needed an army in new uniforms but with the same skills as the Nazi soldiers, perfectly fighting on land, on sea and in the air, and irrecusably abiding orders. Such a type of soldier was essential not only for the occasion of possible military collision with the Soviet bloc but also for fulfilling global missions. The coalition required at least 500,000 German soldiers. In addition, the newly-built army was supposed to purchase weapons and materiel solely from the United States.

During the last two decades, Washington has been trying to force Germany into military partnership in globalistic control. However, the massive effort to get Germany involved in US operations in Somali and Bosnia, as well as in campaigns in Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan, has brought about a reverse result, sparking a shift in approach in German strategic circles. The implicit discontent with American policy and essential difference in views on the role of the German people in current history eventually reached a critical dimension. Since mid-1990s, the attitude of many German military to the United States, and significantly also towards NATO, has essentially changed. Though most of the German officers were not originally inclined against America, a lot of them being educated in the United States, they are now experiencing disappointment and even disgust with Washington's policies. These officers realize that the hegemonistic policy is destined for destruction of socioeconomic systems of particular nations and whole regions, while the so-called order Washington is trying to impose is just a synonym for chaos. Gerd-Helmut Komossa, in his former capacity of MAD (Military Counterintelligence) Director, was frequently called "a soldier with political thinking". Today, he openly denounces the Bundeswehr's involvement in foreign interventions, referring to the army's constitutional duties. Meanwhile, Washington urges Germans to go fighting.

Conceding to the pressure, Berlin deployed a contingent of troops to Afghanistan. But even this was not sufficient for NATO bosses. Recently, NATO General Secretary Jaap de Hoop Scheffer accused the Bundeswehr of idleness in military operations in the region, and insisted that Germany "increase flexibility" and expand its military mission to the southern regions of Afghanistan. In his book, Komossa inquires whether the state of affairs when young Germans are recruited in the national army for fulfilling overseas goals for other nations, could be acceptable. The map of operations, supposed to involve German troops, far exceeds the European continent, and has nothing to do with German national interests. "Do Germans expect this from the Bundeswehr? Would they like their soldiers to be called assassins again?" he asks. However, the United States and its allies don't care much for moral problems. As the secret treaty is valid until 2099, Germans are supposed to go and fight where they are told to. The German audience will require certain time to digest the shocking information disclosed by General Komossa. But eventually, the nation with a great cultural and historical tradition will hardly agree to continue tolerating the American loop on its throat for decades more. The publication of Komossa's "German Card" is one more proof of the world's transformation into a multipolar system. It indicates that Germany is likely to achieve complete sovereignty without waiting for eighty years. http://www.rpmonitor.ru/en/en/detail.php?ID=8857 http://eldib.wordpress.com/2008/05/1...al-until-2099/ http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-183232
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Old 16-04-2010, 11:20 PM   #7
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It will be ready in about 25mins.

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how are you? I am German American.
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Old 17-04-2010, 12:18 AM   #9
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Arrow Ahmadinedschad's speech to Germany & Austria

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hey it took me one year to understand this all. its not a wonder that normal people dont get it.
can you see what Ahmadinedschad is really saying here? !!

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Thank you for that youtube. Since I am not good at spelling his name (or speaking it), I'll call him Mr. Iran.

Mr. Iran's points about the EU, UN and AngloAmerican control are crystal clear and I must agree with his sentiments. In this speech he does not speak of destruction or hating people but of injustice and stifling.

Why can't people research and ask questions? Seek details and Truth? Why are those actions crimes?

Why must a nation be singled out forever because of past actions that indeed a government initiated long, long ago. Common people on all sides were damaged forever, killed, families wiped out, the world forever changed. So much deception took place that I continue learning of and decpetion from peoples not expected. Who were the good guys? The bad guys? It's not so black and white after all.

I ask does Japan and Italy endure perpetual guilt? If they do I am unaware of it. Every nation should indeed be sovereign and have their opinion in matters of domestic concern. Trade and good relations benefit all countries' people, but foreign nations should not have a controlling hand in domestic matters. That's when a nation loses control of its own matters and this is what has happened. Foreign nations choose to install domestic leadership that supports foreign interests.
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Arrow a few of the many strange deaths in Germany

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Bol...ann-murder.htm


When Germany’s most controversial and outspoken politician fell to his death while parachuting, the media disregarded the possibility of assassination and quickly promoted the assumed theory of suicide.
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Jürgen Möllemann, 57, a controversial and flamboyant German politician with the liberal Free Democratic Party (FDP) since 1972, fell to his death on June 5 while parachuting near the town of Marl in North Rhine Westphalia. Condemned as an anti-Semite in the German media for his outspoken criticism of Israel’s brutal occupation of Palestine, the mainstream press chose to portray Möllemann’s death as the suicide of a “disgraced” politician whose career was in ruins. While the media barely mentioned the possibility of murder there is substantial suspicion - and some evidence - of foul play.
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“No one…creates more anti-Semites than Mr. Sharon, and Mr. Friedman with his intolerant and cynical manner,” Möllemann said. Möllemann’s statements blaming Jews for the existence of anti-Semitism crossed a red line in German politics.

“Few things in Germany are more out of bounds for mainstream politicians than criticism of Israel or Jews,” The Guardian (UK) wrote. “Möllemann, a long-standing supporter of the Arab cause, clashed repeatedly with Germany’s Jewish leaders over their support for the Sharon government.”

Two days after Möllemann’s death, Bild, the most popular German daily, compared Möllemann’s death with the death of Uwe Barschel, premier of Schleswig-Holstein, who was found dead in a Geneva hotel bathtub on October 11, 1987. Bild compared the two deaths and asked if the mystery of Möllemann’s death would remain “unsolved” like that of Barschel.

What Bild failed to mention was that Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent, wrote in a 1994 book, The Other Side of Deception: A Rogue Agent Exposes the Mossad’s Secret Agenda, that a team of Israeli assassins had murdered Barschel.

Ostrovsky described how Barschel was lured to Geneva’s Beau Rivage Hotel by a phone call received in the Canary Islands from a Robert Oleff in October 1987. Barschel was ambushed in the hotel by a team of Mossad assassins, Ostrovsky wrote, who killed him and then forced barbiturates down his throat through a tube. Barschel’s fully clothed body was found in a hotel bathtub full of water on October 11, 1987.

Ostrovsky’s grim account was confirmed in a January 1995 Washington Post article based on German, Spanish and Swiss police investigations of the murder, and the possible motives for it.

According to Ostrovsky, Barschel was murdered because he refused to allow Israeli arms for Iran to be shipped from Schleswig-Holstein ports. During the Iran-Iraq war, Israel and the United States secretly armed both sides. As with Möllemann, Barschel’s death was ruled a suicide at the time, although there was clear evidence Barschel had been murdered.

In both cases, dealings involving Middle Eastern weapons brought a German politician into contact with the Mossad. And in both cases the German politician involved met an untimely and mysterious death.
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Martina, who was surprised to find she had a gift for public speaking, had found herself pushed to the forefront of a local campaign in Friedrichroda against municipal price gouging on the treatment of wastewater and sewage.
you mentioned wastewater. maybe i should add the woman from biesensee:

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A german woman who said she is allowed to use wastewater on her own.
she has made some cool stuff to recycle water. (kinda circulatory system)

but the laws which said that she can use this are beeing ignored and the police went onto her property to take her off and then the guys could join her property to the normal waste water system of the city. although this woman got an environmental prize for her idea. its crazy.

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When Germany’s most controversial and outspoken politician fell to his death while parachuting, the media disregarded the possibility of assassination and quickly promoted the assumed theory of suicide.
as far as i remember his book, he wanted to install something new politically. but i have to read again to be able to quote.


we could open a whole new thread about this, i might think. Barschel etc. sometimes its unbelievable how widespread this conspiracy is and the people dont get it. this stuff led me also to Mr. Haider. But he is not german, so we should stick only to germany.




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The Problem with the Constitution.

Federal States Northrhine Westphalia and Saarland writing suggestion for forming a constitution in 1990. (Best Case) It was ignored:





Book: Dokumente zur Deutschlandpolitik „Sonderedition aus den Akten des Bundeskanzleramtes 1989/90“

translation i do later. wanted to add before i forget.

Suermeli suggestion this Year and Explanation of what Problem Germany has. His Lecture as PDF at the "Germany Conference" in March 2010:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30068213/

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"Vortrag von Selim Sürmeli, ICHR/ZEB Germany Conference Olten, Switzerland 06.03.2010"

http://wakenews.net/html/videos_zu_d...konferenz.html

(maybe we should upload that stuff on vimeo, bewusst.tv took if offline due to traffic)

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This interview summarizes the main points of the thread.


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my quick translation:

No. 369A

Suggestion/Proposal (from the Federal State Government) of Saarland

Section 143 to 146 of the Basic Law will be replaced with following Section 143 GG (Basic Law):

"(1) With purview of the Basic Law in the Federal States: Baden-Wuerttemberg, Bavaria, Berlin, Brandenburg, Bremen, Hamburg, Hesse, Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, Lower Saxony, Rhineland-Palatinate, Saarland, Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, Schleswig-Holstein and Thuringia the Unit of Germany is officially recognised (national and state).

(2) The National Convention will convene a Constitutional Council of 120 persons within one year with two-thirds majority of its members. The Constitutional Council creates on the basis of the Basic Law within two years a constitution for the United Germany. The Arrangement of the Federal Government into Federal States, the basic involvement into legislation of those Federal States, the principles of Section 1 and 20 of the Basic Law and essence of fundamental rights shall not be touched therefore.

(3) The Federal President calls the Constitutional Council to the first meeting and leads it. The Constitutional Council chooses a presidium and gives it rules of procedure.

(4) The Constitutional Council decides with a two-third majority of its members about the draft of a constitution for the United Germany. There shall be a plebiscite about the presented draft. If the majority (authorized voters) votes for it, it shall be the new Basic Law of the United Germany.

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No. 359J
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Suggestion of Northrhine-Westfalia

effective: July, 19 1990.

Following Section 146a shall be inserted/integrated:

If the Unit of Germany is established with accession of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) (to the FDR), the Basic Law is valid for the whole Federal Territory for an interim period.
The Bundestag and Federal Council will call, as soon as possible, after the election of the first all-German Bundestag, a Constitutional Council, who shall within two years form a constitution on the basis of the Basic Law and has to be decided with a two-third majority of its voices. The Basic Law ceases to be in force when the draft of a constitution (from the Constitutional Council) will be confirmed from the majority through a plebiscite.


as far as i remember, we never had a plebiscite. i remember fill out a postcard if my homecountry should belong to saxony or saxony-anhalt. nothing more. (i was living in GDR)

so to the video before my post to Mr. Goerlitz.

There was an article last year in the magazin "Spiegel" (mirror):

its this: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutsc...618700,00.html

Mr. Muentefering (member of the party SPD) suggested to make an all-German Constitution.

Quote:
"Das Ganze leidet darunter, dass wir 1989/90 nicht wirklich die Wiedervereinigung organisiert haben, sondern die DDR der Bundesrepublik zugeschlagen haben", sagte der SPD-Vorsitzende.
"The whole thing suffers because in 1989/1990 we didnt really organize the Unit of Germany, we only put GDR to FDR", says the SPD-chairman.

i think with this, this thingie is clear. the basic law is an interim law not a constitution.

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i think some infos in that movie says it all:


stolen from this thread :

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112890
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i received a pdf with rumours and some arguments that germany will get a new currency called "DMark" (Dmark no. 2 )

the script is in german:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30224499/B...Wahrungsreform

anybody interested can take the text into babelfish and translate it.

the media seems to work already for that campaign. just like this article 2 days ago:
http://www.welt.de/finanzen/article7...k-zurueck.html

people should take all their money from the bank or cancel their insurances or invest in something that makes sense, i guess. a new currency will come with immensive losses for money savers.
but however, i have not much money. living from the hand to the mouth.

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Germany ought to do something, the Euro is tanking and dragging everybody down with it.
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Germany ought to do something, the Euro is tanking and dragging everybody down with it.
We are working on it.
However, our cousins on the other side of the Atlantic also urgently need to do something.
The dollar is basically the same evil source.
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