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Old 16-03-2010, 04:52 PM   #1
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A Labour MP is calling for an inquiry into allegations that Thomas Hamilton, the killer at Dunblane, had links with the Freemasons.

Frank Cook, member for Stockton North, said he had tabled a Commons motion claiming that Hamilton may have been allowed to build up an arsenal of high-powered weapons because of links with the ultra-secret society.

Mr Cook claims Hamilton was granted a firearms certificate in 1979, two years after joining Lodge number 1417 of the Masonic Order at Garrow Hill, Glasgow. Mr Cook says his information is from a senior police source.

No one at the lodge was available for comment.
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Old 16-03-2010, 06:28 PM   #2
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From http://www.silentmajority.co.uk/euro...len/index.html


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"With regard to recent publicity correlating secret organisations with
paedophilia, particularly the Free Masons, I would like to bring to your
attention the link between the abuse of boys at the Queen Victoria School
(QVS), Dunblane. The large presence of Freemasons in that establishment and
the slaughter of 16 children and a teacher at Dunblane by Thomas Hamilton on
13 March 1996. As far as I know no such link was revealed in the Cullen
Report. In June 1994 I released a report about my own experience as a *******
at QVS. A copy of my report was sent to almost every Scottish education
authority in July 1994.
I believe that, had my allegations in 1991 been properly investigated,
there is a strong possibility that Hamilton would have been discovered. His
signatures in the visitors log have been removed. The awful slaughter in
March 1996 could have been prevented by an impartial police investigation.
In my report of June 1994 I accused the Ministry of Defence (MOD), the
Scottish Office and the Procurator Fiscal of a deliberate cover up and of
maladministration at the QVS.
The Masonic presence in the local police and the QVS was strong. It is a
fact that Hamilton was enrolled in Lodge Number 1417 (Garrow Hill) in 1977.
He was granted a firearms certificate in 1997. It was no idle boast when
Hamilton claimed he was "a friend of the police" (Masons). In March 1996,
just after the slaughter, Hamilton's file went missing. Hamilton was a
regular visitor to the primary departments of QVS. I saw him on several
occasions as a friend of a housemaster. He was one of many visitors. I
presume the school security had cleared him. Nothing of this was in the
Cullen report. Lord Cullen is a Mason with a duty to protect brother Masons.
There is evidence to show corruption and maladministration by the police.
The following statement will show why the police are not going to be
investigated.
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Old 16-03-2010, 09:28 PM   #3
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You're a tiny bit behind the times, Thomas wasn't a Freemason but his Granddad was! Journalists eh?

They never let the facts get in the way of a good story, or do they?

Snippet from the Scotsman in Nov 2003:

"And last week, in a historic and unprecedented move, six volumes were thrown open to Scotland on Sunday as part of Freemasonry’s attempts to dispel its secretive image and counter a damaging association with Dunblane killer Thomas Hamilton. It is the first time that an outside organisation has had such open access to masonic files.

The registration books, and the equally-voluminous attendance books for two individual lodges, cover the period during which Hamilton could have been a member or a visitor. Exhaustive searches by senior staff of the Grand Lodge of Scotland - effectively head office - has failed to find any record of Hamilton ever being a mason or even stepping over the threshold of the masonic lodges in Glasgow and Stirling to which he has been most closely linked"

"Cooper is more familiar than most with how the theory goes. It sprang, he says, from the clearly-recorded membership of Hamilton’s grandfather, James, a welder who joined the Garrowhill Lodge in the working class district of Baillieston in December 1957 and, after moving home, was a regular attendee at the Royal Arch Lodge in Stirling until his death in 2000.

As the grandfather was a member, then so was the grandson, so the theory progresses. As a mason, Thomas Hamilton would mix socially with other masons, many of them local police officers, the theory dictates. "Thomas Hamilton was unstable but was allowed to keep guns in his house by the police because they were all masons together," Cooper said. "None of this is true."


Full story: http://news.scotsman.com/freemasonry...ist.2481005.jp

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You're a tiny bit behind the times, Thomas wasn't a Freemason but his Granddad was! Journalists eh?

They never let the facts get in the way of a good story, or do they?

Snippet from the Scotsman in Nov 2003:

"And last week, in a historic and unprecedented move, six volumes were thrown open to Scotland on Sunday as part of Freemasonry’s attempts to dispel its secretive image and counter a damaging association with Dunblane killer Thomas Hamilton. It is the first time that an outside organisation has had such open access to masonic files.

The registration books, and the equally-voluminous attendance books for two individual lodges, cover the period during which Hamilton could have been a member or a visitor. Exhaustive searches by senior staff of the Grand Lodge of Scotland - effectively head office - has failed to find any record of Hamilton ever being a mason or even stepping over the threshold of the masonic lodges in Glasgow and Stirling to which he has been most closely linked"

"Cooper is more familiar than most with how the theory goes. It sprang, he says, from the clearly-recorded membership of Hamilton’s grandfather, James, a welder who joined the Garrowhill Lodge in the working class district of Baillieston in December 1957 and, after moving home, was a regular attendee at the Royal Arch Lodge in Stirling until his death in 2000.

As the grandfather was a member, then so was the grandson, so the theory progresses. As a mason, Thomas Hamilton would mix socially with other masons, many of them local police officers, the theory dictates. "Thomas Hamilton was unstable but was allowed to keep guns in his house by the police because they were all masons together," Cooper said. "None of this is true."


Full story: http://news.scotsman.com/freemasonry...ist.2481005.jp

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All well and good. However he mixed with Masons extensively and there's now a 100 year block on the details to protect who?

Possibly the masonic nonces in the police and government as it's alleged by many.
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All well and good. However he mixed with Masons extensively and there's now a 100 year block on the details to protect who?

Possibly the masonic nonces in the police and government as it's alleged by many.
Read Mike Martins post again, but this time, CAREFULLY, you fuckwit.
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The allegations are of a much wider conspiracy than Hamilton alone; that Hamilton allegedly provided services to a much wider ring of establishment paedophiles who were protected from investigation; one of the the people who gave references for Hamilton's firearm license for example was George Robertson, the ex UK Defence Secretary and Secretary General of Nato. Similar accusations have been raised in the case of the Belgian "snuff movie" director Marc Detroux, who has alleged that he was part of an establishment paedophile ring whom the police refuse to investigate.


Above Left: George Robertson

The allegations regarding Hamilton are as follows:

According to journalist Marcello Mega, in The News of the World, 28 December 2003:

1. A top Scottish Freemason, Former Grand Master Lord Burton, has said that Lord Cullen’s inquiry into the Dunblane massacre was a cover-up.

Lord Burton says Cullen’s inquiry suppressed crucial information to protect high-profile legal figures.

2. These high-profile legal figures may belong to a secretive ‘Super-Mason’ group called The Speculative Society.

Lord Burton said : “I have learned of an apparent connection between prominent members of the legal establishment involved in the inquiry, and the secretive Speculative Society. The society was formed in Edinburgh University through Masonic connections so I accept that there might be a link by that route.” Reportedly, members of the Speculative Society have included Lord Cullen and a number of other judges, sheriffs and advocates.

3. Some of these high-profile people had links to the Queen Victoria School ‘where gunman Thomas Hamilton was allowed to roam free before the 1996 atrocity’.

4. Reportedly the police are investigating claims that pupils at Queen Victoria School were regularly taken away and sexually abused.

5. Former housemaster Glenn Harrison told the News of the World how he even found Hamilton, 43, creeping around the dormitories at night. He said Hamilton had close links to a top policeman. Glenn was never called to give evidence at the Cullen Inquiry.

6. Lord Burton said: “I tried repeatedly to raise concerns about the inquiry during my time in the Lords, and I was bullied and threatened by powerful peers loyal to the Conservative Government of the day, who warned me of dire consequences if I continued to embarrass them.” ( According to this source Cached – ‘Malcolm Rifkind’s friend and his then Chairman of his constituency party at Edinburgh Pentlands, Robert Bell, according to the front page lead of the Edinburgh Evening News on 23 March 1996, sold guns and ammunition to Thomas Hamilton only a few weeks before the Dunblane massacre, and it was reported he said he would sell him guns again.’)

8. Glenn Harrison had kept dozens of files from pupils alleging bullying and abuse while he was at the Queen Victoria School and wrote to parents warning of the dangers in 1991. It led to him being ousted from the school and just days before he left, police raided his home and confiscated the files.

9. Glenn states that Hamilton had been a friend of Ben Philip, the senior housemaster at QVS. Mr Philip died in December 1993, aged 46, when he fell from a ladder while hanging decorations.

http://www.lifeinthemixtalk.com/?tag=thomas-hamilton

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Police, killer in child sex ring (The Daily Telegraph)


EDINBURGH: Police were involved in a paedophile ring that covered up abuse allegations against the man responsible for the infamous Dunblane school massacre.


http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/boar...pic.php?t=5063

The astonishing claim was made by former paramedic Sandra Uttley, who is going to the European Court of Human Rights to demand a new inquiry into the tragedy.

The 45-year-old, who dealt with the aftermath of the killings in her job as a paramedic, said: "There are glaring anomalies in the inquiry, inconsistencies in witness testimony, incorrect information given on oath and the absence of vital witnesses.

"It is also blatantly obvious that Central Scotland Police, who were chosen to investigate the background to the murders, should never have been involved in a so-called independent inquiry. They were implicated in the events under scrutiny and continually provided Hamilton with renewals of his gun licence despite long-term and repeated warnings that this should not happen. It was known that Hamilton had friends in the police force, including one highly placed officer.

"I believe that Hamilton was a major provider of pornographic photographs and videos to a ring of men prominent in Central Scotland, including police officers who protected him from numerous allegations of physical abuse at boys' camps and clubs he ran. They protected themselves after the massacre which conveniently ended in his suicide."

Last year Ms Uttley's former partner, Mick North, whose five-year-old daughter Sophie was killed, said he was "convinced" of a cover-up.



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WHO ARE THEY TRYING TO PROTECT? 25 May 2004

Marcello Mega

DUNBLANE INQUIRY WAS A COVER-UP AND PEERS BULLIED ME TO KEEP QUIET SAYS LORD BURTON, EX-MASONS LEADER

THE inquiry into the Dunblane massacre was a massive cover-up, a top Scots Freemason has sensationally claimed.

Former Grand Master Lord Burton says that Lord Cullen's official probe suppressed crucial information to protect high-profile legal figures.

He says they may belong to a secretive "super-Mason" group called The Speculative Society.

Some had links to Dunblane's Queen Victoria School -where gunman Thomas Hamilton was allowed to roam free before the 1996 atrocity.

And Lord Burton revealed that he was bullied and threatened by other peers when he tried to raise his concerns in the House of Lords.

Last night the 79-year-old aristocrat said: "There's no escaping the fact that there's something sinister about the whole affair."

He was prompted into action after reading in the News of the World last month that police are investigating claims that pupils at QVS were regularly taken away and sexually abused.

The Cullen Inquiry failed to investigate why suspected paedophile Hamilton was allowed to wander around the school whenever he liked, running camps and using the shooting range.

Murder

Former housemaster Glenn Harrison told us how he even found Hamilton, 43, creeping around the dormitories at night.

He said Hamilton, who murdered 16 pupils and a teacher at Dunblane Primary School in 1996, had close links to a top cop.

Glenn said he was aghast that he was never called to give evidence at the Cullen Inquiry.

He said: "I was one of the people who was making a fuss about Hamilton long before he killed those children, but no one wanted to listen." Now Lord Burton has contacted him at his new home in the Shetland Islands, saying he believes Glenn wasn't called to give evidence to avoid the embarrassment of top legal names being dragged into it.

The QVS school is for children of the military services and has long-standing links to high office -its current patron is the Duke of Edinburgh.

Whoever holds the position of Secretary of State for Scotland becomes president and Scotland's second-most senior judge, the Lord Justice Clerk, becomes a commissioner.

Lord Burton said: "I was Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland at the time and I'm aware that most of the conspiracy theories around Dunblane revolve around allegations of a Masonic conspiracy.

"I do have some difficulty with that, but I have learned of an apparent connection between prominent members of the legal establishment involved in the inquiry, and the secretive Speculative Society.

"The society was formed at Edinburgh University through Masonic connections so I accept that there might be a link by that route. But Hamilton was never a Mason. His grandfather was."

Current members of The Speculative Society include Lord Cullen and a number of other judges, sheriffs and advocates. Lord Burton has been trying for years to get to the bottom of the conspiracy theories, using his influence in the House of Lords until the reforms meant he was no longer entitled to sit in Westminster.

Last night he said: "I tried repeatedly to raise concerns about the inquiry during my time in the Lords, and I was bullied and threatened by powerful peers loyal to the Conservative Government of the day, who warned me of dire consequences if I continued to embarrass them."

But the determined peer pressed on and in 1999, asked a question in the Lords which revealed that documents from the inquiry had been ordered to be locked up for 100 years.

Among them was a police report revealing that Hamilton had been accused of sexually abusing boys and had been considered by some officers unfit to hold a firearms licence.

Secrecy

Lord Burton added: "We still need to know why that was necessary. Who was the secrecy protecting?"

Although the official reason is to protect the families of possible abuse victims, it's unusual for documents to be locked up unless for matters of national security.

In July, Dunblane ambulance worker Sandra Uttley told the News of the World how she and friend Doreen Hagger had drawn up a 50-point, 5,000-word dossier calling for secrecy surrounding the tragedy to be lifted.

They claimed that dozens of questions have gone unanswered and crucial lines of enquiry were ignored.

Former ambulance worker Sandra said: "There may be other individuals who should face prosecution."

Glenn Harrison had kept dozens of files from pupils alleging bullying and abuse while he was at the QVS and wrote to parents warning of the dangers in 1991.

It led to him being ousted from the school and just days before he left, police raided his home and confiscated the files.

When Glenn read Sandra's story, he went back to police -and this time they agreed to investigate .

Last night he said he in turn had been glad to receive the call from Lord Burton.

He added: "I've been making noises for years and I sometimes despair and think it's time to just accept we'll never get to the truth.

"But I think we owe it to all the people who were so affected by the killings to continue to demand answers to the many questions that were never asked."

Glenn told us that Hamilton had been a friend of Ben Philip, the senior housemaster at the QVS.

Mr Philip died in December 1993, aged 46, when he fell from a ladder while hanging decorations.

Glenn said: "They were friends so Hamilton was a regular visitor to the school and I was introduced to him.

"Ben Philip was a decent guy who was very trusting.

"I think he thought he and Hamilton shared interests in things like the outdoors, and he couldn't see that Hamilton had another motive for wanting to be around the school.

"Hamilton ran camps in the school grounds, and he used the shooting range freely.

Haunted

"He came and went as he pleased, almost as if he owned the place, and no one has ever tried to explain why he had such freedom.

"I am still haunted by the memory of picking up my newspaper on March 14 1996 and reading about what had occurred at Dunblane Primary School the day before.

"I just knew the killer had to be Thomas Hamilton. He should have been stopped."

Demands have already been made to the Scottish Executive to investigate the influence of The Speculative Society.

It was formed in 1764 as an offshoot of the Masons and has counted Sir Walter Scott, Robert Louis Stevenson and Hugh MacDiarmid among its most celebrated members.

The Spec, as it is known, is described by its members as a debating club. They meet in candlelit vaults below Edinburgh University's Old College in the winter.

Prospective members are normally approached while they study at the university.

Its membership -which was secret until a year ago -reads like a Who's Who of the rich and powerful in Scotland.

Campaigners were determined to reveal the membership amid concerns, many expressed by senior lawyers who are not members, of the disproportionate influence the Spec is said to wield.

One legal figure who has long been suspicious of the Spec said: "Members laugh off the suspicions and say it's just a debating club.

"But, given that the members are picked as undergrads and almost without exception go on to reach the pinnacle of their careers, you have to think either that those making the selection are very astute at spotting potential, or that membership gives you a leg up in life.


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Blair covering up paedophile scandal?
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/6...ophile-scandal

While British Prime Minister Tony Blair is under criminal suspicion in the "honors-for-cash" scandal that has rocked his Labor government, we have been told that there is an even more explosive scandal that Blair, up to now, has managed to hide behind the draconian British policy of issuing "D-Notices," government orders that prohibit the British media from reporting on certain "national security" cases.

In 1999, an international investigation of child pornographers and pedophiles run by Britain's National Criminal Intelligence Service, code named Operation Ore, resulted in 7,250 suspects being identified in the United Kingdom alone. Some 1850 people were criminally charged in the case and there were 1451 convictions. Almost 500 people were interviewed "under caution" by police, meaning they were suspects. Some 900 individuals remain under investigation. In early 2003, British police began to close in on some top suspects in the Operation Ore investigation, including senior members of Blair's government. However, Blair issued a D-Notice, resulting in a gag order on the press from publishing any details of the investigation. Blair cited the impending war in Iraq as a reason for the D-Notice. Police also discovered links between British Labor government pedophile suspects and the trafficking of children for purposes of prostitution from Belgium and Portugal


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http://www.propagandamatrix.com/blair_protection.html

NATO boss and Blair government insider Lord Robertson has threatened to sue Scotland's leading independent newspaper over internet allegations that he not only used his influence as a Freemason to procure a gun licence for child killer Thomas Hamilton, but was also a member of a clandestine paedophile ring reportedly set up by Hamilton for the British elite.

On 13 March 1996, Hamilton, armed with four hand-guns, opened fire on a junior school class, killing 16 children and one teacher before turning the gun on himself, shattering forever the idyllic 13th century Scottish town of Dunblane.

The controversy is certain to topple the Blair government, which has already issued a D-Notice to gag the press from revealing the names of known paedophiles within the British executive, including at least two senior ministers; and the case highlights the government's antipathy toward the Sunday Herald and its brand of independent journalism that has, among other things, exposed the role played by the domestic security agency, MI5, in helping the IRA to carry out terrorist atrocities.

As reported by this journalist last month at Propaganda Matrix and Counter Punch, and by the Sunday Herald's Home Affairs Editor, Neil Mackay, the British intelligence services are actively engaged in preventing any further child sex revelations that could incite further hostility to an already unpopular Prime Minister and destroy the morale of troops set to invade Iraq. An intelligence officer told Mackay that "a 'rolling' Cabinet committee had been set up to work out how to deal with the potentially ruinous fall-out for both Tony Blair and the government if arrests occur."

Some commentators, mindful that one of Tony Blair's closest confidante's is a practising paedophile, are even suggesting that this particular scandal, and not Blair's repeated lies and fabricated reports in regard to Iraq, may well prove the downfall of a government mired in sleaze and corruption. The Sunday Times is reported to have obtained an FBI list of Labour MPs who have used credit cards to pay for internet child pornography, and Blair has responded by imposing a massive news blackout, failing however to stop the arrest of one of his most important aides, Phillip Lyon.

The latest allegations came to light following a campaign to lift the secrecy on the Dunblane massacre. Large sections of the police report were banned from the public domain under a 100-year secrecy order. Lord Cullen, an establishment insider, also omitted and censored references to the documents in his final report. Parents and teachers were advised to concentrate their efforts on a campaign to outlaw handguns instead of focusing on how the mentally unstable Freemason, already known by the police to be a paedophile, had obtained a firearms licence for six handguns. Hamilton allegedly enjoyed good relations with both local Labour luminary George Robertson and Michael Forsyth, the then Scottish Secretary of State and MP for Stirling. Forsyth congratulated and encouraged Hamilton for running a boy's club. Hamilton was also found to have exchanged letters with the British monarch, Queen Elizabeth.

The rumours and allegations concerning Lord Robertson's ties to Hamilton, and the possibility that the American intelligence services may be blackmailing Tony Blair into continued support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq, have been given fire by internet investigator and intelligence expert Michael Keaney:

"An additional, and potentially explosive, aspect of US leverage over Blair is the FBI's investigation of users of child porn websites which has already claimed a number of high profile scalps. [....] The biggest two fish that come to mind are indeed high profile: firstly there is George Robertson, who today has announced that he will step down as NATO Secretary General after four years and two months in the job. Were he to be fingered the fall out would be spectacular but short-lived -- he's been a long time out of the cabinet and is sufficiently distant from Tony to be regarded as not requiring the presentational finesse of a "rolling" Cabinet committee, whatever that might be. However, our second candidate is most certainly very closely identified with the prime minister, and retains a high profile [and] continues to operate at a very high level indeed, whether in Europe, Japan, or even the Middle East."

"Peter Mandelson began political life as a member of the Communist Party, soon "seeing the light" and instead getting involved with the CIA/MI6-financed Socialist International youth wing and the Labour Party, through which he rose in parallel with his experience working at London Weekend Television with other A-list regulars like John Birt and Michael Maclay, now public mouthpiece of Hakluyt, the private sector spook outfit run by a bunch of "ex" MI6 types including the widow of ex-Labour leader John Smith. This sort of background and connections makes Mandelson very useful in the sort of corridors-and-alleyways diplomacy and networking that is the real substance of international relations and intelligence gathering. [....] If Mandelson is indeed the suspect, then the damage this could cause may fatally wound Blair."

"An interesting development that may, or may not, be related to this, is the publication of an article in last Sunday's Observer by David Aaronovitch. He and Mandelson are longtime friends, having been together in the Communist Party and at London Weekend TV. Aaronovitch was, until recently, a leading political commentator for the Independent, on whose "international advisory board" (the standard vanity collection of august persons put together for the ego of newspaper proprietors like Tony O'Reilly and Conrad Black) sits Peter Mandelson."

"Since switching to the Guardian Media Group at the beginning of this year or thereabouts, Aaronovitch authored an article on child abuse in which he pleads for common sense to prevail, rather than the lynch mob: 'Strangely I trust the police to act sensibly (because, like the analysts, they’ve seen it all): it's the rest of us I worry about.'"

"That much depends upon the behaviour of the US Justice Department, which ultimately has responsibility for the investigation, must be a worry for Blair. One need only imagine how this must colour the views of John Ashcroft regarding the moral fibre of British cabinet ministers and the laxity of the prime minister who chose them in the first place. How easy would it be for the suspect to be named in a story that miraculously surfaced outside of the UK (thereby circumventing the D Notice and leading potentially to a re-run of the Spycatcher fiasco of 1987)?

"Whoever is on the suspects' list, we can see that already this 'rolling' cabinet committee is busy leaking stories that serve at least to delay the shock of the inevitable, eventual revelation, buying valuable time if nothing else. Thus you can depend on the Guardian to save the day for Tony, and here's some helpful tip-offs courtesy of MI6 that help to distract from what's really going on, whilst bolstering the reputation for integrity and financial propriety that has marked Blair's dealings with businesspeople like Bernie Ecclestone, Richard Desmond, Lakshmi Mittal, etc."

"I have come to the considered conclusion," says a correspondent of Keaney, William Palfreman, "that the events surrounding the Dunblane massacre, and the subsequent submissions to the Cullen enquiry that have been put under to 100 years of secrecy, far out weigh in political significance issues such as our opposition to the EU [and] what it entails. It is inconceivable that T Blair, Jack Straw [and] Gordon Brown can survive in office as this matter becomes known. It totally undermines the Labour government, and could easily be a case of the Queen feeling she has to use reserve powers to call an emergency general election, such would be the loss of confidence."

"This scandal is far more important that anything that has happened here in living memory, in fact I can think of no parallel for it. It certainly pisses all over anything that happened to Kennedy or was done by Nixon. I am surprised, given the gravity of this matter, that [an] attempt has yet to be made on his life, for surely we are dealing with desperate people here. It also explains a few strange things, such as just why T Blair & co. were so keen to ban all handguns, and why such obviously talentless nobodies like George Robertson have risen from being backbench nobodies a couple of years ago to Defence Secretary, and now Secretary-General of Nato."

"[....] Now where in this is there a national security risk so great, that documents part of the public enquiry are now state secrets to be held for 100 years? Funny kind of public enquiry. Why, when Thomas Hamilton's application for a gun licence was turned down, due to him being regarded as a man of unsound character [and] him being the object of several paedophilia investigations, did his MP, our friend George Robertson (now Lord Robertson, Secretary-General of NATO), write him a glowing character reference, and personally see to it that his application was successful, when he knew the grounds for the original refusal were because he was suspected of procuring boys for sexual services?"

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"But the main thing is what might explain sections of the public enquiry are now under the hundred year rule. There are only three levels of secrecy in the UK for state secrets, the 30 year rule, the 80 year rule and the 100 year rule. Normal secrets, like Cabinet discussions, government papers, espionage, all that, are under the 30 year rule. Only a very small number of things ever reached the 80 year rule, particularly events in the Sudan with Kitchener in 1902, where it seems that an act of genocide was committed, and some things that happened 1914-18, as well as things like potential peace negotiations in 1941, and just about everything to do with the IRA (after all, people are still alive after 30 years) come under the 80 year rule. Of them, the darkest of state secrets, when the events of '02 were getting a bit close to their limit for comfort, a further class of secrets was created to last a hundred years, and tiny number of things were put in it - e.g. Kitchener in '02, some World War I things."

But none of these things can be said to apply to Dunblane. That was a case of a common criminal [and] sexual pervert committing some fairly ordinary murders, of a kind that happen from time to time. Even if a backbench Labour MP was implicated, or may have been involved in a large paedophile ring in Scotland, that is not a matter of vital national importance. You have a prosecution, there is a bit of a scandal, everyone is disgusted and one MP goes to prison. Big deal: such things happen. You certainly would not make such information a state secret just to save one unnamed backbench nobody's miserable neck. Governments simply don't go to such extreme lengths to save nobodies - power broking just doesn't work like that. There must be issues of profound national importance working here, and I put it to you that anything that involves certain events in Scotland is more likely to be someone of cabinet level than anything else.

If the physiologically flawed [although Thomas Hamilton was these were the words of Tony Blair when speaking of Gordon Brown] Thomas Hamilton was the centre of a paedophile ring in Scotland that procured boys to people of the amongst the highest rank, and Tony Blair [and] Jack Straw covered this up by the Official Secrets Act (They would do the covering, as both the Prime Minister's [and] Home Secretary's permission is needed to put some something under the 100 year rule.) it is hard to see how they or their close colleges could possibly remain in office, even if they were never inclined to such flawed behaviour themselves. ."

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In a recent interview with the Guardian newspaper, Michael Matheson, the Scottish National Party's shadow deputy justice minister, said: "There are more documents covered by the 100-year rule than this police report. Some of them have nothing whatsoever to do with children. We need to look at why such a lengthy ban has been imposed on them. I have been contacted by a number of families affected by the tragedy who are anxious to ensure this information becomes public. And so far we have no guarantee that it will. We only have a review."[/QUOTE]

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Read Mike Martins post again, but this time, CAREFULLY, you fuckwit.
Agneau thank you very much for that unwarranted abuse. Very enlightening indeed.

I see masonry has helped you enormously, you ****.
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Agneau thank you very much for that unwarranted abuse. Very enlightening indeed.

I see masonry has helped you enormously, you ****.
I am subscribed to and have been subscribed to numerous Internet debating forums over the last 15 years or so where Freemasons seem to be attracted. The general debating strategy of Freemasons, "everywhere" I have been on the internet is simply generally "abuse, mockery and contradiction." They are "not" generally on the Internet to "debate," but they are at least here to show their true colours.

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I have unfortunately had many dealings with free masons and to a man they've been sneaky, lying, criminal turds. Truly despicable untrustworthy people.
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The general debating strategy of Freemasons, "everywhere" I have been on the internet is simply generally "abuse, mockery and contradiction."
To quite a degree I sadly agree with this, it seems to be part of the course for Freemasons. That said some of the kindest, most helpful people I know are masons, but it does appear that freemasonry has failed far to many of its members in terms of the fundamentals. Very sad.

I have left masonic forums for "abuse and mockery" towards me by known freemasons. Some sadly dont see much wrong with their "robust debate" as they put it, and others just let it happen (sometimes with behind the scenes words of comfort, but only rarely will a mason publicly stand up to ask why fellow masons act in such a manner). That blind eye syndrome is apauling.

If more freemasons could learn to apply the tenets to their life, then a lot of distrust would disappear, but I keep forgetting that it is just mummery and what time did you say the bar opened?

I wonder if the masonic world will ever decide to close the say do gap and become a bit more masonic? Oh (philisophically speaking) "but it may all fall apart so lets just let our members ruin our reputation and devalue the Craft and we can call those who get hurt by us - insane, mad, etc". Absolutely disgusting. The masonic world should hold its head in shame.
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To quite a degree I sadly agree with this, it seems to be part of the course for Freemasons. That said some of the kindest, most helpful people I know are masons, but it does appear that freemasonry has failed far to many of its members in terms of the fundamentals. Very sad.

I have left masonic forums for "abuse and mockery" towards me by known freemasons. Some sadly dont see much wrong with their "robust debate" as they put it, and others just let it happen (sometimes with behind the scenes words of comfort, but only rarely will a mason publicly stand up to ask why fellow masons act in such a manner). That blind eye syndrome is apauling.

If more freemasons could learn to apply the tenets to their life, then a lot of distrust would disappear, but I keep forgetting that it is just mummery and what time did you say the bar opened?

I wonder if the masonic world will ever decide to close the say do gap and become a bit more masonic? Oh (philisophically speaking) "but it may all fall apart so lets just let our members ruin our reputation and devalue the Craft and we can call those who get hurt by us - insane, mad, etc". Absolutely disgusting. The masonic world should hold its head in shame.

I don't know why you waste your time and energy on them Stewart. If they were truly capable of enlightenment they wouldn't have become masons in the first place.
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All right guys, calm down, calm down!

Fistly, thanks to Mike Martin for:

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You're a tiny bit behind the times, Thomas wasn't a Freemason but his Granddad was! Journalists eh?

They never let the facts get in the way of a good story, or do they?

Snippet from the Scotsman in Nov 2003:

"And last week, in a historic and unprecedented move, six volumes were thrown open to Scotland on Sunday as part of Freemasonry’s attempts to dispel its secretive image and counter a damaging association with Dunblane killer Thomas Hamilton. It is the first time that an outside organisation has had such open access to masonic files.

The registration books, and the equally-voluminous attendance books for two individual lodges, cover the period during which Hamilton could have been a member or a visitor. Exhaustive searches by senior staff of the Grand Lodge of Scotland - effectively head office - has failed to find any record of Hamilton ever being a mason or even stepping over the threshold of the masonic lodges in Glasgow and Stirling to which he has been most closely linked"

"Cooper is more familiar than most with how the theory goes. It sprang, he says, from the clearly-recorded membership of Hamilton’s grandfather, James, a welder who joined the Garrowhill Lodge in the working class district of Baillieston in December 1957 and, after moving home, was a regular attendee at the Royal Arch Lodge in Stirling until his death in 2000.

As the grandfather was a member, then so was the grandson, so the theory progresses. As a mason, Thomas Hamilton would mix socially with other masons, many of them local police officers, the theory dictates. "Thomas Hamilton was unstable but was allowed to keep guns in his house by the police because they were all masons together," Cooper said. "None of this is true."


Full story: http://news.scotsman.com/freemasonry...ist.2481005.jp

Buut there is the fact that his grandfather adopted him (see the link below) and became his father, and therefore, according to the news.scotsman link, Hamilton could have become a Freemason at age 18 as opposed to 21, and therefore would not have shown up in the search. From news.scotsman:

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As the grandfather was a member, then so was the grandson, so the theory progresses. As a mason, Thomas Hamilton would mix socially with other masons, many of them local police officers, the theory dictates. "Thomas Hamilton was unstable but was allowed to keep guns in his house by the police because they were all masons together," Cooper said. "None of this is true."

Membership records were scrutinised for the years in which Hamilton, who was born in 1952, could have been a member. They were from 1973, after he was 21 (you can only join at 18 if your father has been a member), to 1996 when he died. Another two Thomas Hamiltons were unearthed in Scotland but they were both the wrong ages.
So you see he could have joined in 1970. Couldn't he? Clever twist don't you think?

Here is the link that claims his grandparents adopted him (how strange is that?):

http://www.biography.com/articles/Th...assacre-232311

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Murderer. Born May 10, 1952 in Glasgow, Scotland. Thomas Hamilton’s mother, a hotel chambermaid, was divorced from his father by the time Thomas was born. Hamilton never knew his father and grew up with his mother’s adoptive parents, believing they were his biological parents. They legally adopted him at age two. He also thought his biological mother was his sister until he was told the truth when he was 22 years old.
So the search does not clear his name, or them, but suggests he may have been one of the other Thomas Hamiltons they found. Didn't they know his grandfather adopted him? Will they now search their records with this new knowledge? Will the eventually say, "oh yes, actually he was a freemason, sorry about that..."? I'm more suspicous than ever now. What about you Mike?

And secondly I'd like to thank Luciferhorus for the "background" information.
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It's a nice idea and would be a good escape for a conspiracy theorist. Unfortunately in the Masonic world being "legally adopted" is quite irrelevant and doesn't make someone a Lewis (Son of a Mason). End even if it did it still doesn't mean that he would've joined at 18.

However, even if it were true you may not have noticed the bit that explained that as well as checking its membership records the GLoS also searched the visitor books for the Lodges that it was claimed he frequented for the years that he could've been a member and he didn't show up on them either. This would have shown him up even if he wasn't a member under the GLoS as all Visitors to a Lodge are required to sign the book before entering the Lodge room.

After the years of people making the outrageous claim that he did what he did because he was allegedly a Freemason the membership of the GLoS wanted it proven one way or another.

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Nice try but being "legally adopted" doesn't make someone a Lewis (Son of a Mason) and even if it did it still doesn't mean that he would've joined at 18. I notice that you've conveniently forgotten that the GLoS also searched the visitor records for the Lodges that it was claimed he frequented and he didn't show up.
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I rarely ever subject anyone on this forum to ridicule ( ridiculous / worthy of riducule) unless they initiate it, but I have to make an exception for you




I have to ridicule the Masons here, at least a little, since they also have a habit of perpetually ridiculing their opponents here.

Not only do you look ridiculous, but your pompous degrees and military titles seem entirely worthy of ridicule to me.

It is not sexy Martin (also my real world name); which in my opinion is the whole point of "dressing up," despite the fact than my lovers seem to prefer me naked, and that the feeling is mutual usually.

No.

You are just another Capitalist Devil who has bought some fake "degrees" for Capitalist coin, and who has submitted your soul to the usual pomposity and arrogance that is common to those who defend the god of Capitalism.

But welcome here brother; I am so glad to have someone here to defend Masonry who is so overtly worthy of ridicule.


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I rarely ever subject anyone on this forum to ridicule ( ridiculous / worthy of riducule) unless they initiate it, but I have to make an exception for you




I have to ridicule the Masons here, at least a little, since they also have a habit of perpetually ridiculing their opponents here.

Not only do you look ridiculous, but your pompous degrees and military titles seem entirely worthy of ridicule to me.

It is not sexy Martin (also my real world name); which in my opinion is the whole point of "dressing up," despite the fact than my lovers seem to prefer me naked, and that the feeling is mutual usually.

No.

You are just another Capitalist Devil who has bought some fake "degrees" for Capitalist coin, and who has submitted your soul to the usual pomposity and arrogance that is common to those who defend the god of Capitalism.

But welcome here brother; I am so glad to have someone here to defend Masonry who is so overtly worthy of ridicule.


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I rarely ever subject anyone on this forum to ridicule ( ridiculous / worthy of riducule) unless they initiate it, but I have to make an exception for you




I have to ridicule the Masons here, at least a little, since they also have a habit of perpetually ridiculing their opponents here.

Not only do you look ridiculous, but your pompous degrees and military titles seem entirely worthy of ridicule to me.

It is not sexy Martin (also my real world name); which in my opinion is the whole point of "dressing up," despite the fact than my lovers seem to prefer me naked, and that the feeling is mutual usually.

No.

You are just another Capitalist Devil who has bought some fake "degrees" for Capitalist coin, and who has submitted your soul to the usual pomposity and arrogance that is common to those who defend the god of Capitalism.

But welcome here brother; I am so glad to have someone here to defend Masonry who is so overtly worthy of ridicule.


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LOLOLOLOLOL sorry mate, but pot, kettle and black springs to mind.....sitting in your pentagram doesn't look ridiculous either does it?
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Thanks for the reply Mike:

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It's a nice idea and would be a good escape for a conspiracy theorist. Unfortunately in the Masonic world being "legally adopted" is quite irrelevant and doesn't make someone a Lewis (Son of a Mason). End even if it did it still doesn't mean that he would've joined at 18.

However, even if it were true you may not have noticed the bit that explained that as well as checking its membership records the GLoS also searched the visitor books for the Lodges that it was claimed he frequented for the years that he could've been a member and he didn't show up on them either. This would have shown him up even if he wasn't a member under the GLoS as all Visitors to a Lodge are required to sign the book before entering the Lodge room.

After the years of people making the outrageous claim that he did what he did because he was allegedly a Freemason the membership of the GLoS wanted it proven one way or another.

Mike
Too much strangeness in this case, with the freemasons being so secretive and strange I'm sure we'll probably never know the truth. It was a mason, Lord Burton who made the claim in the first place which is all over the internet, eg: From http://www.perceptions.couk.com/dunbla33.txt

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The inquiry into the Dunblane massacre was a massive cover-up, a top Scots Freemason
has sensationally claimed. Former Grand Master Lord Burton says that Lord Cullen's
official probe suppressed crucial information to protect high-profile legal figures.

He says they may belong to a secretive "Super-Mason" group called The Speculative
Society. Some had links to the Queen Victoria School where gunman Thomas Hamilton was
allowed to roam free before the 1996 atrocity. [ DUNBLANE SCHOOL KILLINGS ]

And Lord Burton revealed that he was bullied and threatened by other peers when he
tried to raise his concerns in the House of Lords. Last night the 79 year-old
aristocrat said: "There's no escaping the fact that there's something sinister about
the whole affair." He was prompted into action after reading in the News of the World
last month that police are investigating claims that pupils at QVS were regularly
taken away and sexually abused.
There must be a lot of in-fghting with you masons over this.... Why would any reasonable person want to be a member of a society that is implicated in such foul behaviour?

Anyway, Hamilton could have been a Patsy, ineresting evidence here:

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&gl=uk
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Too much strangeness in this case, with the freemasons being so secretive and strange I'm sure we'll probably never know the truth. It was a mason, Lord Burton who made the claim in the first place which is all over the internet, eg: From http://www.perceptions.couk.com/dunbla33.txt
If you actually read your own source you will see that Burton highlighted that the "existing" conspiracy theories regarding Hamilton being a Mason were not true because he wasn't a Mason. He then went on to mention that he was suspicious of a thing called the Speculative Society ( http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/...embership.html ) that he also said may have had Masonic beginnings but not that it was Masonic.

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There must be a lot of in-fghting with you masons over this
There isn't! The fact that some bored people want to claim that a loser paedophile murderer is a Mason is pretty legless. As I mentioned the checks were done as much for the Freemasons themselves as for everybody else.

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.... Why would any reasonable person want to be a member of a society that is implicated in such foul behaviour?
Impying something is not the same as showing it to be true. Now if it had've turned out that he was actually a Mason you might have had a point but he wasn't.

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Anyway, Hamilton could have been a Patsy, ineresting evidence here:
He was a nutter and he wasn't the first. You may not be old enough to remember the Hungerford Massacre perpetrated by Michael Ryan on my 22nd birthday..
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From http://www.lifeinthemixtalk.com/?tag=thomas-hamilton

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Lord Burton said: “I was Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Scotland at the time and I’m aware that most of the conspiracy theories around Dunblane revolve around allegations of a Masonic conspiracy. I do have some difficulty with that, but I have learned of an apparent connection between prominent members of the legal establishment involved in the inquiry, and the secretive Speculative Society. The society was formed in Edinburgh University through Masonic connections so I accept that there might be a link by that route. But Hamilton was never a Mason. His grandfather was.”

[Petitioner's interjection: Thomas Hamilton enrolled as a member of Lodge Garrowhill (Lanarkshire Middle Ward) No. 1413, Garrowhill Drive, Garrowhill, Glasgow, in 1977, the same year he was granted a firearms certificate. Without any shadow of a doubt, his files connecting him to Freemasonry would be destroyed after the atrocities on 13 March 1996.]

Current members of the Speculative Society include Lord Cullen and a number of other judges, sheriffs and advocates. Lord Burton has been trying for years to get to the bottom of the conspiracy theories, using his influence in the House of Lords until the reforms meant he was no longer entitled to sit in Westminster. Last night he said : “I tried repeatedly to raise concerns about the inquiry during my time in the Lords, and I was bullied and threatened by powerful peers loyal to the Conservative government of the day, who warned me of dire consequences if I continued to embarrass them.”
House of commons quote from Lord Robertson:

http://www.publications.parliament.u...t/60314-05.htm

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Those of us who met and distrusted Thomas Hamilton--I argued with him in my own home--in truth could have had no inkling to guide us to his final act of wantonness. Of course, we expect a thorough examination of and any necessary action on the present gun laws, which enabled such a man to own such a lethal armoury. School security, too, will need looking at, but we should not pretend to ourselves that even a fortress would have kept an armed, crazed, suicidal killer at bay. That is not for today.

What was this argument I wonder? Strange he admits it in the house of commons so shortly after the massacre. Too much secrecy with you lot.
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Some interesting points from the Cullen Report:

http://www.archive.official-document...ane/dun04a.htm

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4.2 Thomas Hamilton was born in Glasgow on 10 May 1952. He was the son of Thomas Watt and Agnes Graham Hamilton or Watt. He was named Thomas Watt. Shortly after his birth his parents separated and in 1955 they were divorced. He and his mother moved to the home of his maternal grandparents in Cranhill, Glasgow. On 26 March 1956 he was adopted by them and his name was changed to Thomas Watt Hamilton. In 1963 he accompanied his adoptive parents when they moved to 11 Upper Bridge Street, Stirling. He grew up in the belief that his natural mother was his sister. In 1985 she moved to live in a house of her own. In 1987 Thomas Hamilton and his adoptive parents moved to 7 Kent Road, where he continued to live until 13 March 1996. In August 1987 his adoptive mother died; and 5 years later his adoptive father moved into sheltered housing, so leaving Thomas Hamilton in sole occupation. He remained in contact with his natural mother, visiting her about twice a week.
It doesn't say Grandad was a Mason but we now know he was, even the Masons agree to that. He was born with a different name which could have been useful for dual identities I bet. Also, maybe he was being abused by his masonic grandad which could account for his intense tendencies later in lfe. Of course it says he changed his name in 1956, but we have to just accept that this is true. It doesn't alter the fact that he was born with a different name.

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4.14 Some parents, rather than having specific complaints, simply felt that they did not like the way in which he ran the club. Some boys complained of feeling uncomfortable in his presence and said that he was "weird". When he was asked about the way in which he ran his clubs Thomas Hamilton would often speak with pride of what he was doing for the benefit of the boys. On closer questioning he would quickly become defensive and even aggressive and angry, leaving parents with the impression that he was hiding something. When a child was withdrawn from one of his clubs he would tend to react by writing to the parents long and repeated letters in which he stated that rumour and innuendoes were rife about him and it was up to them to stamp out this type of falsity. Some of the letters were hand-delivered at night and were seen by parents as intimidating. On occasion Thomas Hamilton would make use of the names of people in official positions as "contacts" in his promotional leaflets, but without their permission. Thus, for example, in 1993 he used the name of a police inspector, the Chief Executive of Central Regional Council and Mr Michael Forsyth, MP in this way. Naturally this was objected to.
Naturally objected to, but these look like powerful people. Maybe they only objected to this after the events of the massacre. Maybe it's true that they were "in on it" with him. Are we expected to believe he randomly chose these people for no reason?

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4.19 Local opinion was divided over Thomas Hamilton. Some parents had a "gut feeling" that something was amiss about his activities. They included Mr George Robertson MP who took up the matter informally with Mr Michael Forsyth MP, the local Member of Parliament since April 1983. Earlier in that year Thomas Hamilton had demanded an explanation from Mr Robertson's son why he was absent from the club and sought an interview with the boy. This aroused Mr Robertson's suspicions. As a result he and another parent had visited the club and had been dismayed to see "a large number of small boys in shorts stripped to the waist being bossed around by two or three middle-aged men, swaggering around in a very military-type way". Mr Robertson also described it as "looking like the Hitler youth". They had decided on the spot that their sons were not going to return to the club. Their unease had been shared by other parents, although it was difficult to identify exactly what was wrong. Mr Forsyth, who had already been approached by Thomas Hamilton for his support, was aware that rumours were circulating in Dunblane about him but was also aware that he was supported by a number of parents and that there was no hard evidence of wrongdoing on his part. Thomas Hamilton made a fresh application for a let of Dunblane High School, this time in the name of the Dunblane Boys Club but on 12 March 1984 the sub-committee decided to defer consideration of this application pending the decision of the Ombudsman.
This is just so strange, it his just heresay. He admits going to the club, with someone else (who?), and sees 2 or 3 middle aged men (Now there's 5 of them all together). Who are all these other nameless men? Did they still run boys clubs after this time?

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4.40 DS Hughes had not encountered Thomas Hamilton before but learned that he would be likely to be quick to complain. He therefore decided to become involved in the investigation and visited the camp on 25 July in the company of DC Kirk. The main purpose of this visit was to return camera equipment which Thomas Hamilton had surrendered 2 days before, but it also provided DS Hughes with an opportunity to look at the camp himself. As regards the assault Thomas Hamilton admitted under caution to slapping a child across the face. His justification was that the boy had been disruptive, a bully, had assaulted another child, had thrown a stone which hit another child in the eye and needed chastisement. He also admitted to slapping the same boy across the leg and grabbing him. Concerns had also been raised about the nature of the photographs which he had taken and about a trip to an island where the children had been forced to take part in the making of a videofilm on the lines of "The Lord of the Flies". In particular one child was forced to lie in cold water against his will. The children were cold and wet and were dressed only in swimming trunks during a rain shower as Thomas Hamilton prevented them from putting their clothes on. When he was asked to provide photographs he had taken Thomas Hamilton denied that he had taken any still photographs.

4.41 During his visit DS Hughes became concerned about the lack of supervision at the camp. Half a dozen boys were running around the camp area but the others were out of sight. They were about 400-500 yards away at a jetty and out of clear view of the camp. It took DS Hughes some 3 or 4 minutes to walk down to the jetty where he found the boys, the youngest being only 6 years old, jumping from the jetty into a boat and back out again. The water there was deep and not one of the boys was wearing a life jacket. Thomas Hamilton did not know the boys were there. When he was questioned about the potential for accidents he said that they were capable of looking after themselves and that he could provide any assistance in the event of an accident. Some of the parents had removed their children after DC Kirk's first visit to the camp.

4.42 One of the boys who was interviewed later said that he had been singled out by Thomas Hamilton, taken alone to an individual tent and photographed in red-coloured swimming trunks. DS Hughes feared that this boy was being singled out for special treatment and perhaps for future abuse. Thomas Hamilton denied any such intention and denied taking such photographs. On 30 July and in response to a request from the police he handed over 6 boxes of slides and about 150 still photographs. There was reason to believe that he deceived the police. DS Hughes discovered at the shop in Stirling where Thomas Hamilton had handed in what was to be developed that he had in fact received eight boxes of slides: and that a ninth had recently arrived for him. DS Hughes did not take possession of that box at that time, but at a later date when it was handed over by Thomas Hamilton. In the result there were two boxes of slides which were never recovered by the police. Among the photographs which were recovered there were a large number of the particular boy who was plainly a favourite and had been given special jobs on the camp. However, there were no photographs of him wearing red swimming trunks. A processor in Livingston had also contacted the shop in Stirling in order to express her concern about the content of some of the photographs. It is impossible to know whether the boxes which were not recovered by the police contained photographs which would have given rise to even greater concern. As regards the photographs which were recovered by the police, although there were various different poses by boys wearing black swimming trunks there was no explicit indecency. DS Hughes considered that Thomas Hamilton had been untruthful about the photographs. The nature of them made him concerned about the "stability" of his personality and his unhealthy interest in children.
This above quote is just so tacky, it reminds me of some kind of Benny Hill script or something, funny if it wasn't so disturbing. Images of these camps with policemen running around them chasing up boxfuls of dirty photographs.... Blimey.

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4.60 Arising from the summer camp organised by Thomas Hamilton in 1993 at Dunblane High School, a further complaint was received by the police. It was similar in nature to previous complaints: children who were scantily clad in black swimming trunks were the subject of photographs which the parents considered to be inappropriate. On the instruction of the Deputy Chief Constable, DS (now Superintendent) Holden and DS Moffat interviewed Thomas Hamilton at his home in October 1993 in regard to the organisation and composition of his committee and the complaint which had been made about his methods and use of photography. Thomas Hamilton refused to supply details of people who were on his committee, despite reminders. During the interview, which lasted two hours or more, DS Holden gained the impression that the clubs filled most of Thomas Hamilton's life. He was quite obsessive about his methods and manner of organising the exercises. He would tolerate no criticism of his conduct of the clubs or of the boys' dress. A short question on the methods of training he used would elicit a lengthy reply and a very persuasive argument in favour of his methods. He gave the impression that he had rehearsed these arguments many times. He was quite calm and articulate, very polite but extremely evasive on the subject of the members of the club committee. DS Holden considered that he was lying on that point. He reported back to the Deputy Chief Constable who by that stage was well aware of complaints about children being required to dress in swimming trunks with bare tops and inappropriate photographs being taken of them.
So who were the members of this committee?

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4.72 In the course of her evidence Mrs Doreen Hagger gave an account of an occasion on which Thomas Hamilton pointed a gun at her. This account was the subject of considerable publicity after she was interviewed by members of the press on 14 March 1996. The incident she alleged, had occurred at Bridgend, Linlithgow some time after she had been interviewed by Inspector Keenan in January 1989 in connection with his report on Thomas Hamilton's complaint. She said that she and Mrs Janet Reilly, had been coming back from the shops and had picked up her daughter Vicky after she had been dropped off the school bus in the main street. They were just getting to her gate when a light coloured transit van driven by Thomas Hamilton "slammed up at the pavement". She then said:-

"He rolled the window down and he said 'I hear you have been making statements about me to Keenan'. I said 'That's right'. I said 'I just told him about the state of the camp, how you treated the kids, and my own personal opinion of you'. And at that he leaned forward, his face was all puffy. When he used to get in a rage his face would go puffy, would blow up and really bulge.... He leant forward and I thought he was going to start the engine up, after the mouthful I gave him, and the next thing I heard a click of metal hitting glass, and I looked down and there was a bit of metal there. It didn't register with me right away, and I just looked at him and he said 'My friends don't like it'..... I looked again and that is when I realised that it was a barrel, and I said 'Dinnae point that f'ng thing at me. I will ram it down your throat'. He just got really bulging and never said a word, off he went."
Who were these friends?

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However, when she was interviewed by DS McBain in August 1988 in regard to the report of what happened on the island, she made no mention of Thomas Hamilton threatening to burn her tent, but stated that another adult who had been assisting with the camp at that stage had threatened Mrs Reilly. According to Mrs Reilly Mrs Hagger left the island because Thomas Hamilton had threatened Mrs Hagger with a gun, but the basis for this was that she had seen that Mrs Hagger was frightened. She told her that Thomas Hamilton had had a gun in his hand. The adult referred to by Mrs Hagger had threatened to kill Mrs Hagger with an axe and set fire to the tent. She appeared to accept that when she was interviewed by the police in April 1996 she made no mention of a gun. In his closing submission, Mr C M Campbell submitted that for Thomas Hamilton to have referred to his guns as his "friends" had a ring of truth about it. It may well be true that on some occasion Thomas Hamilton told Mrs Hagger that his guns were his "friends": and indeed Mrs Hagger gave evidence that he said this at the camp.
Yeah, sure, how convinient that the "friends" were his guns...

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4.74 For all these reasons I have come to the conclusion that the account given by Mrs Hagger is lacking in both reliability and credibility. I do not accept her evidence that Thomas Hamilton pointed a gun at her or that she reported such an incident to the police. It follows that there is no question of such an incident coming to the knowledge of the police.
Okay... your'e the boss...

This next bit is my absolute favourite:

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5.6 Thomas Hamilton harboured a long-standing grievance against the Scouts and the police. In the large volume of correspondence which he generated a recurring theme is his assertion that the police were biased in favour of the "brotherhood of masons" and that there was a "brotherhood" link between the Scouts and the police. In passing it may be noted that this together with evidence given by Mr Deuchars indicated that Thomas Hamilton had never been a freemason. I am satisfied that he was not a member of the masons.
But his Grandfather who adopted him and made him his son was... Why mention it at all though? To me, it seems a desperate and obvious lie that falls flat on it's face! How can we ever expect a secret society to tell the truth when they have so much to protect? It's embarassing and laughable, everyone I talk to suspects the masons of this sort of behaviour and cover up, there'll be no getting away from it. It's all just to far fetched and ridiculous to think you're all inocent at those secretive top levels. Good luck...
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