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Question Are there any Non-Zionist in the NWO?

Non-Zionist factions of the players

After we have discussed ad nausea the Zionist part of the NWO forces, I think it's time to look who else is involved. Some have argued that the Zionist bankers are just fronts. Is there evidence for other parties? This is a fact-finding discussion, not an excessive rehash of Jesuits vs. Zionists vs. Bloodlines.

Banking
Deutsche Bank has popped up as a global player, perhaps even on a scale of JP Morgan-Chase and Goldman-Sachs. Who are the players in the Islamic and Chinese world? How are they connected with Zionist bankers?

Military/Industrial Complex
An old friend. What other objectives are there but to keep the money rolling and resources cheap? Is there evidence for a Nazi faction?

Energy & Big Oil
One of the first analysis of the current wars were that they were driven by oil interests. Control of Iraqi oilfields and control of Afghanistan for its pipeline.
House of Saud and House of Bush have a special connection. Russia is emerging as a major energy supplier, not just to Europe but now with a pipeline to Asia.

Big Pharma Drug & Chemical Companies
Who owns what here? Merck, Bayer, Glaxo, Baxter, BASF
Swiss, German, American

Big food
Nestle, Monsanto, Unilever

IT technology & alternate physics?
Intel, Siemens, Cisco

Transportation & shipping
Airlines, Airbus, Boing, Maersk

Drug Trade
Black Ops financings or just business? From British East-India Comp and it's Boxer war, Vietnam, Brazil, Columbia, Afghanistan, Lebanon to Nazi & CIA

Well, that's the initial list, please add any information you may have on the matter. How do the different parts inter-connect?
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Non-Zionist factions of the players

After we have discussed ad nausea the Zionist part of the NWO forces, I think it's time to look who else is involved. Some have argued that the Zionist bankers are just fronts. Is there evidence for other parties? This is a fact-finding discussion, not an excessive rehash of Jesuits vs. Zionists vs. Bloodlines.

Banking
Deutsche Bank has popped up as a global player, perhaps even on a scale of JP Morgan-Chase and Goldman-Sachs. Who are the players in the Islamic and Chinese world? How are they connected with Zionist bankers?

Military/Industrial Complex
An old friend. What other objectives are there but to keep the money rolling and resources cheap? Is there evidence for a Nazi faction?


Energy & Big Oil
One of the first analysis of the current wars were that they were driven by oil interests. Control of Iraqi oilfields and control of Afghanistan for its pipeline.
House of Saud and House of Bush have a special connection. Russia is emerging as a major energy supplier, not just to Europe but now with a pipeline to Asia.

Big Pharma Drug & Chemical Companies
Who owns what here? Merck, Bayer, Glaxo, Baxter, BASF
Swiss, German, American

Big food
Nestle, Monsanto, Unilever

IT technology & alternate physics?
Intel, Siemens, Cisco

Transportation & shipping
Airlines, Airbus, Boing, Maersk

Well, that's the initial list, please add any information you may have on the matter. How do the different parts inter-connect?
That is an excellent post!

The boldened hints to some curiosities in the aftermath of WWII as well as raises new questions, mainly why the curiosities.

As we discussed here ... http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...ing+to+be+free
...there appear to be some strange inconveniences for the whole zionist side of NWO. How does that fit in? Hinting the Hitler faction was zionist? Would that explain the indoctrination of both people, the german and the israeli/jewish, to manifest mind prison and the veil of the swastika?

However, there appears to be this article...


Sometimes, it is the claimed the second Book of Hitler(or his puppet masters)


There also seem some strange activities at deep underground sites worldwide, much connecting to the US National Security Act of 1947. There may have been an infiltration of the official victors, as eg farrell hints, remaining seperate command structure within the security apparatus, thus possibly explaining the secret technology missing? maybe this also happened to the former SU? They also 'imported 'nazi scientists.
Considering the past 20 years and the events in russia,eg. Yukos.
Also again, where did the Reichbank gold go?

And again the role of the vatican...

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Old 07-02-2010, 03:52 AM   #4
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Default United Fruit

In the 1950's, United Fruit worked closely with the CIA to control Meso & South America, establishing military/Fascists dictatorships.

Guatemala, Nicaragua, Cuba

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The American Secretary of State John Foster Dulles was an avowed opponent of Communism whose law firm of Sullivan and Cromwell[13] had represented United Fruit. His brother Allen Dulles was the director of the CIA, and was a board member of United Fruit. United Fruit Company is the only company known to have a CIA cryptonym. The brother of the Assistant Secretary of State for InterAmerican Affairs John Moors Cabot had once been president of United Fruit.
Looking at their own chronology, it didn't start in the '50.

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The Dispatch from US Bogotá Embassy to the US Secretary of State, dated January 16, 1929, stated: “I have the honor to report that the Bogotá representative of the United Fruit Company told me yesterday that the total number of strikers killed by the Colombian military exceeded one thousand.”
http://www.unitedfruit.org/chron.htm has a long list of military interventions.

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The United Fruit Company was a United States corporation that traded in tropical fruit (primarily bananas and pineapples) grown on Third World plantations and sold in the United States and Europe. The company was formed in 1899 from the merger of Minor C. Keith's banana-trading concerns with Andrew W. Preston's Boston Fruit Company. It flourished in the early and mid-20th century and came to control vast territories and transportation networks in Central America, the Caribbean coast of Colombia, Ecuador, and the West Indies. Though it competed with the Standard Fruit Company for dominance in the international banana trade, it maintained a virtual monopoly in certain regions, some of which came to be called Banana Republics.[1]
The company had a deep and long-lasting impact on the economic and political development of several Latin American countries. Critics often accused it of exploitative neocolonialism and described it as the archetypal example of the influence of a multinational corporation on the internal politics of the so-called "banana republics" (a term coined by O. Henry). After a period of financial decline, United Fruit was merged with Eli M. Black's AMK in 1970 to become the United Brands Company. In 1984, Carl Lindner, Jr. transformed United Brands into the present-day Chiquita Brands International.
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In this exploration of corporate maneuvering and subterfuge, journalist Chapman shows how the importer United Fruit set the precedent for the institutionalized power and influence of today's multinational companies. This infamous company was arguably the most controversial global corporation ever--from the jungles of Costa Rica to the dramatic suicide of its CEO, who leapt from an office on the 44th floor of the Pan Am building in New York City. From the marketing of the banana as the first fast food, to the company's involvement in an invasion of Honduras, the Bay of Pigs crisis, and a bloody coup in Guatemala, Chapman weaves a tale of big business, political deceit, and outright violence to show how one company wreaked havoc in the "banana republics" of Central America, and how terrifyingly similar the age of United Fruit is to our age of rapid globalization. Bananas : how the United Fruit Company shaped the world
If a Fascist faction exists, they seem to have a special interest in South-America. For now, scoring United Fruit for the Fascist faction.
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A classic liberal view is that the CIA is the source of all evil. I certainly grew up with it. Here's one such timeline.

Note D Rockefeller running an inquiry into the CIA. Some call the CIA Rockefellers secret police.

A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

By Steve Kangas




The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA. (1)

CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.

The Association for Responsible Dissent estimates that by 1987, 6 million people had died as a result of CIA covert operations. (2) Former State Department official William Blum correctly calls this an "American Holocaust."

The CIA justifies these actions as part of its war against communism. But most coups do not involve a communist threat. Unlucky nations are targeted for a wide variety of reasons: not only threats to American business interests abroad, but also liberal or even moderate social reforms, political instability, the unwillingness of a leader to carry out Washington’s dictates, and declarations of neutrality in the Cold War. Indeed, nothing has infuriated CIA Directors quite like a nation’s desire to stay out of the Cold War.

The ironic thing about all this intervention is that it frequently fails to achieve American objectives. Often the newly installed dictator grows comfortable with the security apparatus the CIA has built for him. He becomes an expert at running a police state. And because the dictator knows he cannot be overthrown, he becomes independent and defiant of Washington's will. The CIA then finds it cannot overthrow him, because the police and military are under the dictator's control, afraid to cooperate with American spies for fear of torture and execution. The only two options for the U.S at this point are impotence or war. Examples of this "boomerang effect" include the Shah of Iran, General Noriega and Saddam Hussein. The boomerang effect also explains why the CIA has proven highly successful at overthrowing democracies, but a wretched failure at overthrowing dictatorships.

The following timeline should confirm that the CIA as we know it should be abolished and replaced by a true information-gathering and analysis organization. The CIA cannot be reformed — it is institutionally and culturally corrupt.

1929

The culture we lost — Secretary of State Henry Stimson refuses to endorse a code-breaking operation, saying, "Gentlemen do not read each other’s mail."

1941

COI created — In preparation for World War II, President Roosevelt creates the Office of Coordinator of Information (COI). General William "Wild Bill" Donovan heads the new intelligence service.

1942

OSS created — Roosevelt restructures COI into something more suitable for covert action, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). Donovan recruits so many of the nation’s rich and powerful that eventually people joke that "OSS" stands for "Oh, so social!" or "Oh, such snobs!"

1943

Italy — Donovan recruits the Catholic Church in Rome to be the center of Anglo-American spy operations in Fascist Italy. This would prove to be one of America’s most enduring intelligence alliances in the Cold War.

1945

OSS is abolished — The remaining American information agencies cease covert actions and return to harmless information gathering and analysis.

Operation PAPERCLIP – While other American agencies are hunting down Nazi war criminals for arrest, the U.S. intelligence community is smuggling them into America, unpunished, for their use against the Soviets. The most important of these is Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler’s master spy who had built up an intelligence network in the Soviet Union. With full U.S. blessing, he creates the "Gehlen Organization," a band of refugee Nazi spies who reactivate their networks in Russia. These include SS intelligence officers Alfred Six and Emil Augsburg (who massacred Jews in the Holocaust), Klaus Barbie (the "Butcher of Lyon"), Otto von Bolschwing (the Holocaust mastermind who worked with Eichmann) and SS Colonel Otto Skorzeny (a personal friend of Hitler’s). The Gehlen Organization supplies the U.S. with its only intelligence on the Soviet Union for the next ten years, serving as a bridge between the abolishment of the OSS and the creation of the CIA. However, much of the "intelligence" the former Nazis provide is bogus. Gehlen inflates Soviet military capabilities at a time when Russia is still rebuilding its devastated society, in order to inflate his own importance to the Americans (who might otherwise punish him). In 1948, Gehlen almost convinces the Americans that war is imminent, and the West should make a preemptive strike. In the 50s he produces a fictitious "missile gap." To make matters worse, the Russians have thoroughly penetrated the Gehlen Organization with double agents, undermining the very American security that Gehlen was supposed to protect.

1947

Greece — President Truman requests military aid to Greece to support right-wing forces fighting communist rebels. For the rest of the Cold War, Washington and the CIA will back notorious Greek leaders with deplorable human rights records.

CIA created — President Truman signs the National Security Act of 1947, creating the Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Council. The CIA is accountable to the president through the NSC — there is no democratic or congressional oversight. Its charter allows the CIA to "perform such other functions and duties… as the National Security Council may from time to time direct." This loophole opens the door to covert action and dirty tricks.

1948

Covert-action wing created — The CIA recreates a covert action wing, innocuously called the Office of Policy Coordination, led by Wall Street lawyer Frank Wisner. According to its secret charter, its responsibilities include "propaganda, economic warfare, preventive direct action, including sabotage, antisabotage, demolition and evacuation procedures; subversion against hostile states, including assistance to underground resistance groups, and support of indigenous anti-communist elements in threatened countries of the free world."

Italy — The CIA corrupts democratic elections in Italy, where Italian communists threaten to win the elections. The CIA buys votes, broadcasts propaganda, threatens and beats up opposition leaders, and infiltrates and disrupts their organizations. It works -- the communists are defeated.

1949

Radio Free Europe — The CIA creates its first major propaganda outlet, Radio Free Europe. Over the next several decades, its broadcasts are so blatantly false that for a time it is considered illegal to publish transcripts of them in the U.S.

Late 40s

Operation MOCKINGBIRD — The CIA begins recruiting American news organizations and journalists to become spies and disseminators of propaganda. The effort is headed by Frank Wisner, Allan Dulles, Richard Helms and Philip Graham. Graham is publisher of The Washington Post, which becomes a major CIA player. Eventually, the CIA’s media assets will include ABC, NBC, CBS, Time, Newsweek, Associated Press, United Press International, Reuters, Hearst Newspapers, Scripps-Howard, Copley News Service and more. By the CIA’s own admission, at least 25 organizations and 400 journalists will become CIA assets.

1953

Iran – CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.

Operation MK-ULTRA — Inspired by North Korea’s brainwashing program, the CIA begins experiments on mind control. The most notorious part of this project involves giving LSD and other drugs to American subjects without their knowledge or against their will, causing several to commit suicide. However, the operation involves far more than this. Funded in part by the Rockefeller and Ford foundations, research includes propaganda, brainwashing, public relations, advertising, hypnosis, and other forms of suggestion.

1954

Guatemala — CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.

1954-1958

North Vietnam — CIA officer Edward Lansdale spends four years trying to overthrow the communist government of North Vietnam, using all the usual dirty tricks. The CIA also attempts to legitimize a tyrannical puppet regime in South Vietnam, headed by Ngo Dinh Diem. These efforts fail to win the hearts and minds of the South Vietnamese because the Diem government is opposed to true democracy, land reform and poverty reduction measures. The CIA’s continuing failure results in escalating American intervention, culminating in the Vietnam War.

1956

Hungary — Radio Free Europe incites Hungary to revolt by broadcasting Khruschev’s Secret Speech, in which he denounced Stalin. It also hints that American aid will help the Hungarians fight. This aid fails to materialize as Hungarians launch a doomed armed revolt, which only invites a major Soviet invasion. The conflict kills 7,000 Soviets and 30,000 Hungarians.

1957-1973

Laos — The CIA carries out approximately one coup per year trying to nullify Laos’ democratic elections. The problem is the Pathet Lao, a leftist group with enough popular support to be a member of any coalition government. In the late 50s, the CIA even creates an "Armee Clandestine" of Asian mercenaries to attack the Pathet Lao. After the CIA’s army suffers numerous defeats, the U.S. starts bombing, dropping more bombs on Laos than all the U.S. bombs dropped in World War II. A quarter of all Laotians will eventually become refugees, many living in caves.

1959

Haiti — The U.S. military helps "Papa Doc" Duvalier become dictator of Haiti. He creates his own private police force, the "Tonton Macoutes," who terrorize the population with machetes. They will kill over 100,000 during the Duvalier family reign. The U.S. does not protest their dismal human rights record.

1961

The Bay of Pigs — The CIA sends 1,500 Cuban exiles to invade Castro’s Cuba. But "Operation Mongoose" fails, due to poor planning, security and backing. The planners had imagined that the invasion will spark a popular uprising against Castro -– which never happens. A promised American air strike also never occurs. This is the CIA’s first public setback, causing President Kennedy to fire CIA Director Allen Dulles.

Dominican Republic — The CIA assassinates Rafael Trujillo, a murderous dictator Washington has supported since 1930. Trujillo’s business interests have grown so large (about 60 percent of the economy) that they have begun competing with American business interests.

Ecuador — The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man.

Congo (Zaire) — The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba’s politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.

1963

Dominican Republic — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right-wing junta.

Ecuador — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows President Arosemana, whose independent (not socialist) policies have become unacceptable to Washington. A military junta assumes command, cancels the 1964 elections, and begins abusing human rights.

1964

Brazil — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaces it will, in the next two decades, become one of the most bloodthirsty in history. General Castelo Branco will create Latin America’s first death squads, or bands of secret police who hunt down "communists" for torture, interrogation and murder. Often these "communists" are no more than Branco’s political opponents. Later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads.

1965

Indonesia — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Sukarno with a military coup. The CIA has been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957, using everything from attempted assassination to sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold War. His successor, General Suharto, will massacre between 500,000 to 1 million civilians accused of being "communist." The CIA supplies the names of countless suspects.

Dominican Republic — A popular rebellion breaks out, promising to reinstall Juan Bosch as the country’s elected leader. The revolution is crushed when U.S. Marines land to uphold the military regime by force. The CIA directs everything behind the scenes.

Greece — With the CIA’s backing, the king removes George Papandreous as prime minister. Papandreous has failed to vigorously support U.S. interests in Greece.

Congo (Zaire) — A CIA-backed military coup installs Mobutu Sese Seko as dictator. The hated and repressive Mobutu exploits his desperately poor country for billions.

1966

The Ramparts Affair — The radical magazine Ramparts begins a series of unprecedented anti-CIA articles. Among their scoops: the CIA has paid the University of Michigan $25 million dollars to hire "professors" to train South Vietnamese students in covert police methods. MIT and other universities have received similar payments. Ramparts also reveals that the National Students’ Association is a CIA front. Students are sometimes recruited through blackmail and bribery, including draft deferments.

1967

Greece — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the government two days before the elections. The favorite to win was George Papandreous, the liberal candidate. During the next six years, the "reign of the colonels" — backed by the CIA — will usher in the widespread use of torture and murder against political opponents. When a Greek ambassador objects to President Johnson about U.S. plans for Cypress, Johnson tells him: "Fuck your parliament and your constitution."

Operation PHEONIX — The CIA helps South Vietnamese agents identify and then murder alleged Viet Cong leaders operating in South Vietnamese villages. According to a 1971 congressional report, this operation killed about 20,000 "Viet Cong."

1968

Operation CHAOS — The CIA has been illegally spying on American citizens since 1959, but with Operation CHAOS, President Johnson dramatically boosts the effort. CIA agents go undercover as student radicals to spy on and disrupt campus organizations protesting the Vietnam War. They are searching for Russian instigators, which they never find. CHAOS will eventually spy on 7,000 individuals and 1,000 organizations.

Bolivia — A CIA-organized military operation captures legendary guerilla Che Guevara. The CIA wants to keep him alive for interrogation, but the Bolivian government executes him to prevent worldwide calls for clemency.

1969

Uruguay — The notorious CIA torturer Dan Mitrione arrives in Uruguay, a country torn with political strife. Whereas right-wing forces previously used torture only as a last resort, Mitrione convinces them to use it as a routine, widespread practice. "The precise pain, in the precise place, in the precise amount, for the desired effect," is his motto. The torture techniques he teaches to the death squads rival the Nazis’. He eventually becomes so feared that revolutionaries will kidnap and murder him a year later.

1970

Cambodia — The CIA overthrows Prince Sahounek, who is highly popular among Cambodians for keeping them out of the Vietnam War. He is replaced by CIA puppet Lon Nol, who immediately throws Cambodian troops into battle. This unpopular move strengthens once minor opposition parties like the Khmer Rouge, which achieves power in 1975 and massacres millions of its own people.

1971

Bolivia — After half a decade of CIA-inspired political turmoil, a CIA-backed military coup overthrows the leftist President Juan Torres. In the next two years, dictator Hugo Banzer will have over 2,000 political opponents arrested without trial, then tortured, raped and executed.

Haiti — "Papa Doc" Duvalier dies, leaving his 19-year old son "Baby Doc" Duvalier the dictator of Haiti. His son continues his bloody reign with full knowledge of the CIA.

1972

The Case-Zablocki Act — Congress passes an act requiring congressional review of executive agreements. In theory, this should make CIA operations more accountable. In fact, it is only marginally effective.

Cambodia — Congress votes to cut off CIA funds for its secret war in Cambodia.

Wagergate Break-in — President Nixon sends in a team of burglars to wiretap Democratic offices at Watergate. The team members have extensive CIA histories, including James McCord, E. Howard Hunt and five of the Cuban burglars. They work for the Committee to Reelect the President (CREEP), which does dirty work like disrupting Democratic campaigns and laundering Nixon’s illegal campaign contributions. CREEP’s activities are funded and organized by another CIA front, the Mullen Company.

1973

Chile — The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin America’s first democratically elected socialist leader. The problems begin when Allende nationalizes American-owned firms in Chile. ITT offers the CIA $1 million for a coup (reportedly refused). The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left.

CIA begins internal investigations — William Colby, the Deputy Director for Operations, orders all CIA personnel to report any and all illegal activities they know about. This information is later reported to Congress.

Watergate Scandal — The CIA’s main collaborating newspaper in America, The Washington Post, reports Nixon’s crimes long before any other newspaper takes up the subject. The two reporters, Woodward and Bernstein, make almost no mention of the CIA’s many fingerprints all over the scandal. It is later revealed that Woodward was a Naval intelligence briefer to the White House, and knows many important intelligence figures, including General Alexander Haig. His main source, "Deep Throat," is probably one of those.

CIA Director Helms Fired — President Nixon fires CIA Director Richard Helms for failing to help cover up the Watergate scandal. Helms and Nixon have always disliked each other. The new CIA director is William Colby, who is relatively more open to CIA reform.

1974

CHAOS exposed — Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh publishes a story about Operation CHAOS, the domestic surveillance and infiltration of anti-war and civil rights groups in the U.S. The story sparks national outrage.

Angleton fired — Congress holds hearings on the illegal domestic spying efforts of James Jesus Angleton, the CIA’s chief of counterintelligence. His efforts included mail-opening campaigns and secret surveillance of war protesters. The hearings result in his dismissal from the CIA.

House clears CIA in Watergate — The House of Representatives clears the CIA of any complicity in Nixon’s Watergate break-in.

The Hughes Ryan Act — Congress passes an amendment requiring the president to report nonintelligence CIA operations to the relevant congressional committees in a timely fashion.

1975

Australia — The CIA helps topple the democratically elected, left-leaning government of Prime Minister Edward Whitlam. The CIA does this by giving an ultimatum to its Governor-General, John Kerr. Kerr, a longtime CIA collaborator, exercises his constitutional right to dissolve the Whitlam government. The Governor-General is a largely ceremonial position appointed by the Queen; the Prime Minister is democratically elected. The use of this archaic and never-used law stuns the nation.

Angola — Eager to demonstrate American military resolve after its defeat in Vietnam, Henry Kissinger launches a CIA-backed war in Angola. Contrary to Kissinger’s assertions, Angola is a country of little strategic importance and not seriously threatened by communism. The CIA backs the brutal leader of UNITAS, Jonas Savimbi. This polarizes Angolan politics and drives his opponents into the arms of Cuba and the Soviet Union for survival. Congress will cut off funds in 1976, but the CIA is able to run the war off the books until 1984, when funding is legalized again. This entirely pointless war kills over 300,000 Angolans.

"The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence" — Victor Marchetti and John Marks publish this whistle-blowing history of CIA crimes and abuses. Marchetti has spent 14 years in the CIA, eventually becoming an executive assistant to the Deputy Director of Intelligence. Marks has spent five years as an intelligence official in the State Department.

"Inside the Company" — Philip Agee publishes a diary of his life inside the CIA. Agee has worked in covert operations in Latin America during the 60s, and details the crimes in which he took part.

Congress investigates CIA wrong-doing — Public outrage compels Congress to hold hearings on CIA crimes. Senator Frank Church heads the Senate investigation ("The Church Committee"), and Representative Otis Pike heads the House investigation. (Despite a 98 percent incumbency reelection rate, both Church and Pike are defeated in the next elections.) The investigations lead to a number of reforms intended to increase the CIA’s accountability to Congress, including the creation of a standing Senate committee on intelligence. However, the reforms prove ineffective, as the Iran/Contra scandal will show. It turns out the CIA can control, deal with or sidestep Congress with ease.

The Rockefeller Commission — In an attempt to reduce the damage done by the Church Committee, President Ford creates the "Rockefeller Commission" to whitewash CIA history and propose toothless reforms. The commission’s namesake, Vice President Nelson Rockefeller, is himself a major CIA figure. Five of the commission’s eight members are also members of the Council on Foreign Relations, a CIA-dominated organization.

1979

Iran — The CIA fails to predict the fall of the Shah of Iran, a longtime CIA puppet, and the rise of Muslim fundamentalists who are furious at the CIA’s backing of SAVAK, the Shah’s bloodthirsty secret police. In revenge, the Muslims take 52 Americans hostage in the U.S. embassy in Tehran.

Afghanistan — The Soviets invade Afghanistan. The CIA immediately begins supplying arms to any faction willing to fight the occupying Soviets. Such indiscriminate arming means that when the Soviets leave Afghanistan, civil war will erupt. Also, fanatical Muslim extremists now possess state-of-the-art weaponry. One of these is Sheik Abdel Rahman, who will become involved in the World Trade Center bombing in New York.

El Salvador — An idealistic group of young military officers, repulsed by the massacre of the poor, overthrows the right-wing government. However, the U.S. compels the inexperienced officers to include many of the old guard in key positions in their new government. Soon, things are back to "normal" — the military government is repressing and killing poor civilian protesters. Many of the young military and civilian reformers, finding themselves powerless, resign in disgust.

Nicaragua — Anastasios Samoza II, the CIA-backed dictator, falls. The Marxist Sandinistas take over government, and they are initially popular because of their commitment to land and anti-poverty reform. Samoza had a murderous and hated personal army called the National Guard. Remnants of the Guard will become the Contras, who fight a CIA-backed guerilla war against the Sandinista government throughout the 1980s.

1980

El Salvador — The Archbishop of San Salvador, Oscar Romero, pleads with President Carter "Christian to Christian" to stop aiding the military government slaughtering his people. Carter refuses. Shortly afterwards, right-wing leader Roberto D’Aubuisson has Romero shot through the heart while saying Mass. The country soon dissolves into civil war, with the peasants in the hills fighting against the military government. The CIA and U.S. Armed Forces supply the government with overwhelming military and intelligence superiority. CIA-trained death squads roam the countryside, committing atrocities like that of El Mazote in 1982, where they massacre between 700 and 1000 men, women and children. By 1992, some 63,000 Salvadorans will be killed.

1981

Iran/Contra Begins — The CIA begins selling arms to Iran at high prices, using the profits to arm the Contras fighting the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. President Reagan vows that the Sandinistas will be "pressured" until "they say ‘uncle.’" The CIA’s Freedom Fighter’s Manual disbursed to the Contras includes instruction on economic sabotage, propaganda, extortion, bribery, blackmail, interrogation, torture, murder and political assassination.

1983

Honduras — The CIA gives Honduran military officers the Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual – 1983, which teaches how to torture people. Honduras’ notorious "Battalion 316" then uses these techniques, with the CIA’s full knowledge, on thousands of leftist dissidents. At least 184 are murdered.

1984

The Boland Amendment — The last of a series of Boland Amendments is passed. These amendments have reduced CIA aid to the Contras; the last one cuts it off completely. However, CIA Director William Casey is already prepared to "hand off" the operation to Colonel Oliver North, who illegally continues supplying the Contras through the CIA’s informal, secret, and self-financing network. This includes "humanitarian aid" donated by Adolph Coors and William Simon, and military aid funded by Iranian arms sales.

1986

Eugene Hasenfus — Nicaragua shoots down a C-123 transport plane carrying military supplies to the Contras. The lone survivor, Eugene Hasenfus, turns out to be a CIA employee, as are the two dead pilots. The airplane belongs to Southern Air Transport, a CIA front. The incident makes a mockery of President Reagan’s claims that the CIA is not illegally arming the Contras.

Iran/Contra Scandal — Although the details have long been known, the Iran/Contra scandal finally captures the media’s attention in 1986. Congress holds hearings, and several key figures (like Oliver North) lie under oath to protect the intelligence community. CIA Director William Casey dies of brain cancer before Congress can question him. All reforms enacted by Congress after the scandal are purely cosmetic.

Haiti — Rising popular revolt in Haiti means that "Baby Doc" Duvalier will remain "President for Life" only if he has a short one. The U.S., which hates instability in a puppet country, flies the despotic Duvalier to the South of France for a comfortable retirement. The CIA then rigs the upcoming elections in favor of another right-wing military strongman. However, violence keeps the country in political turmoil for another four years. The CIA tries to strengthen the military by creating the National Intelligence Service (SIN), which suppresses popular revolt through torture and assassination.

1989

Panama — The U.S. invades Panama to overthrow a dictator of its own making, General Manuel Noriega. Noriega has been on the CIA’s payroll since 1966, and has been transporting drugs with the CIA’s knowledge since 1972. By the late 80s, Noriega’s growing independence and intransigence have angered Washington… so out he goes.

1990

Haiti — Competing against 10 comparatively wealthy candidates, leftist priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide captures 68 percent of the vote. After only eight months in power, however, the CIA-backed military deposes him. More military dictators brutalize the country, as thousands of Haitian refugees escape the turmoil in barely seaworthy boats. As popular opinion calls for Aristide’s return, the CIA begins a disinformation campaign painting the courageous priest as mentally unstable.

1991

The Gulf War — The U.S. liberates Kuwait from Iraq. But Iraq’s dictator, Saddam Hussein, is another creature of the CIA. With U.S. encouragement, Hussein invaded Iran in 1980. During this costly eight-year war, the CIA built up Hussein’s forces with sophisticated arms, intelligence, training and financial backing. This cemented Hussein’s power at home, allowing him to crush the many internal rebellions that erupted from time to time, sometimes with poison gas. It also gave him all the military might he needed to conduct further adventurism — in Kuwait, for example.

The Fall of the Soviet Union — The CIA fails to predict this most important event of the Cold War. This suggests that it has been so busy undermining governments that it hasn’t been doing its primary job: gathering and analyzing information. The fall of the Soviet Union also robs the CIA of its reason for existence: fighting communism. This leads some to accuse the CIA of intentionally failing to predict the downfall of the Soviet Union. Curiously, the intelligence community’s budget is not significantly reduced after the demise of communism.

1992

Economic Espionage — In the years following the end of the Cold War, the CIA is increasingly used for economic espionage. This involves stealing the technological secrets of competing foreign companies and giving them to American ones. Given the CIA’s clear preference for dirty tricks over mere information gathering, the possibility of serious criminal behavior is very great indeed.

1993

Haiti — The chaos in Haiti grows so bad that President Clinton has no choice but to remove the Haitian military dictator, Raoul Cedras, on threat of U.S. invasion. The U.S. occupiers do not arrest Haiti’s military leaders for crimes against humanity, but instead ensure their safety and rich retirements. Aristide is returned to power only after being forced to accept an agenda favorable to the country’s ruling class.

EPILOGUE

In a speech before the CIA celebrating its 50th anniversary, President Clinton said: "By necessity, the American people will never know the full story of your courage."

Clinton’s is a common defense of the CIA: namely, the American people should stop criticizing the CIA because they don’t know what it really does. This, of course, is the heart of the problem in the first place. An agency that is above criticism is also above moral behavior and reform. Its secrecy and lack of accountability allows its corruption to grow unchecked.

Furthermore, Clinton’s statement is simply untrue. The history of the agency is growing painfully clear, especially with the declassification of historical CIA documents. We may not know the details of specific operations, but we do know, quite well, the general behavior of the CIA. These facts began emerging nearly two decades ago at an ever-quickening pace. Today we have a remarkably accurate and consistent picture, repeated in country after country, and verified from countless different directions.

The CIA’s response to this growing knowledge and criticism follows a typical historical pattern. (Indeed, there are remarkable parallels to the Medieval Church’s fight against the Scientific Revolution.) The first journalists and writers to reveal the CIA’s criminal behavior were harassed and censored if they were American writers, and tortured and murdered if they were foreigners. (See Philip Agee’s On the Run for an example of early harassment.) However, over the last two decades the tide of evidence has become overwhelming, and the CIA has found that it does not have enough fingers to plug every hole in the dike. This is especially true in the age of the Internet, where information flows freely among millions of people. Since censorship is impossible, the Agency must now defend itself with apologetics. Clinton’s "Americans will never know" defense is a prime example.

Another common apologetic is that "the world is filled with unsavory characters, and we must deal with them if we are to protect American interests at all." There are two things wrong with this. First, it ignores the fact that the CIA has regularly spurned alliances with defenders of democracy, free speech and human rights, preferring the company of military dictators and tyrants. The CIA had moral options available to them, but did not take them.

Second, this argument begs several questions. The first is: "Which American interests?" The CIA has courted right-wing dictators because they allow wealthy Americans to exploit the country’s cheap labor and resources. But poor and middle-class Americans pay the price whenever they fight the wars that stem from CIA actions, from Vietnam to the Gulf War to Panama. The second begged question is: "Why should American interests come at the expense of other peoples’ human rights?"

The CIA should be abolished, its leadership dismissed and its relevant members tried for crimes against humanity. Our intelligence community should be rebuilt from the ground up, with the goal of collecting and analyzing information. As for covert action, there are two moral options. The first one is to eliminate covert action completely. But this gives jitters to people worried about the Adolf Hitlers of the world. So a second option is that we can place covert action under extensive and true democratic oversight. For example, a bipartisan Congressional Committee of 40 members could review and veto all aspects of CIA operations upon a majority or super-majority vote. Which of these two options is best may be the subject of debate, but one thing is clear: like dictatorship, like monarchy, unaccountable covert operations should die like the dinosaurs they are.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis...ckingbird.html
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Who funded and made nasa operational? Whos money was it?
Considering Paperclip, these guys almost consisted of nasa at top ranks. Braun & Oberth, to name two of them.

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0208/i...h-VonBraun.jpg
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1899 Aug 31, Paul E. Garber, US founder and 1st curator of National Air & Space Museum, was born.
(MC, 8/31/01)

1912 Mar 23, Werner von Braun, rocket expert (I Aim at the Stars), was born in Wirsitz, Germany. He led the development of the V-2 rocket during World War II.
(HN, 3/23/99)(SS, 3/23/02)

1914 Jul 14, 1st patent for liquid-fueled rocket design was granted to Dr. R. Goddard.
(MC, 7/14/02)

1915 Mar 3, The National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA), a NASA forerunner, was created. It was the first US government sponsored organization in support of aviation research and development.
(SC, 3/3/02)(NPub, 2002, p.9)

1915 Apr 23, ACA becomes National Advisory Council on Aeronautics (NACA), the forerunner of NASA.
(HN, 4/23/99)

1920 Jan 13, A NY Times editorial excoriated Dr. Robert H. Goddard, and reported that rockets can never fly. In 1969 the NY Times belatedly apologized.
(WSJ, 8/7/03, p.A1)

1925 May 1, Malcolm Scott Carpenter, astronaut (Mercury 7-Aurora 7), was born in Boulder, Colo.
(MC, 5/1/02)

1926 Mar 16, The first liquid-fuel rocket was launched by physicist Robert H. Goddard. It went 184' (56 meters). [see Mar 26]
(HN, 3/16/98)(MC, 3/16/02)

1926 Mar 26, Pioneer physicist and engineer Dr. Robert H. Goddard launched the first successful liquid-fuel rocket in Auburn, Massachusetts. Goddard’s rocket, launched from a homemade pipe frame, rose 41 feet and in a 2.5-second flight reached a speed of about 60 miles per hour, proving the practicality of liquid-propelled rocketry. [see Mar 16]
(HNPD, 3/14/99)

1926 Apr 3, Virgil Grissom (d.1967), Lt. Col. USAF, astronaut (Mercury 4, Gemini 3), was born in Mitchell, Ind. He was the Mercury and Gemini astronaut who was killed in a fire while preparing for the first Apollo flight.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/Hi...4/grissom.html
(MC, 4/3/02)
1926 Apr 3, Robert Goddard launched his 2nd flight of a liquid-fueled rocket.
(MC, 4/3/02)

1926 Apr 23, Virgil I (Gus) Grissom, was born. He was the Mercury and Gemini astronaut who was killed in a fire while preparing for the first Apollo flight.
(HN, 4/23/99)

1927 Mar 6, Leroy Gordon Cooper Jr. (d.2004), USAF astronaut (Mer 9, Gem 5), was born in Shawnee, Okla.
(SFC, 10/5/04, p.B7)

1928 Mar 14, Frank Borman, astronaut (Gem 7, Ap 8), CEO (Eastern Airline), was born in Gary, Ind.
(MC, 3/14/02)

1930 Mar 17, James Benson Irwin, Col. USAF, astronaut (Apollo 15), was born in Pittsburgh, Penn.
(MC, 3/17/02)

1930 Jun 2, Charles Conrad (d.1999), astronaut, was born in Philadelphia. He walked on the moon during the Apollo XII mission in 1969.
(SFC, 7/9/99, p.A6)

1932 May 25, Georgi Mikhailovich Grechko, USSR cosmonaut (Soyuz 17, 26, T-14), was born.
(SC, 5/25/02)

1932 Jul 25, Paul J. Weitz, astronaut (Skylab 2, STS 6), was born in Erie, Pennsylvania.
(SC, 7/25/02)

1933 Jan 16, Oleg Grigoryevich Makarov (d.2003 at 70), USSR cosmonaut (Soyuz 12, 18A, 27, T-3), was born.
(MC, 1/16/02)(SFC, 5/31/03, p.A21)

1934 Mar 14, Eugene Cerna, American Astronaut who was the last man on the moon, was born.
(HN, 3/14/00)

1935 Mar 28, Goddard used gyroscopes to control a rocket.
(MC, 3/28/02)

1939 Jul 3, Ernst Heinkel demonstrated an 800-kph rocket plane to Hitler.
(MC, 7/3/02)

1940 Jul 2, Georgi Ivan Ivanov, 1st Bulgarian space traveler (Soyuz 33), was born.
(SC, 7/2/02)

1942 Jun 13, 1st V-2 rocket launch from Peenemunde, Germany, reached 1.3 km.
(MC, 6/13/02)

1942 Oct 3, In Germany the rocket-development team of Werner von Braun conducted the 1st successful test flight of an A-4/V-2 missile from the Peenemunde test site. It flew perfectly over a 118-mile course to an altitude of 53 miles (85 km). The 13-ton, 46-foot long V2 rocket was the world’s 1st long-range ballistic missile.
(HN, 10/3/98)(AM, 5/01, p.63)(WSJ, 2/21/09, p.A5)

1944 Jun 11, James "Ox" D A Van Hoften, astronaut (STS 41C, STS 51I), was born in Fresno, Calif.
(SC, 6/11/02)

1945 May 25, Arthur C. Clark proposed relay satellites in geosynchronous orbit.
(SC, 5/25/02)

1945 Jul 10, Robert Goddard (b.1882), American rocket scientist, died. He received 214 patents for rocket systems and components. In 2003 David Clary authored "Rocket Man," a biography of Goddard.
(HN, 10/5/98)(ON, 1/01, p.5)(WSJ, 8/7/03, p.W8)(MC, 7/10/02)

1946 Mar 22, First U.S. built rocket to leave the earth's atmosphere reached a 50-mile height.
(HN, 3/22/97)

1946 Apr 16, 1st US launch of captured V-2 rocket was at White Sands, NM. It reached 8 km.
(MC, 4/16/02)

1946 Jun 24, Lt. Col. Ellison S. Onizuka (astronaut: mission specialist aboard ill-fated Space Shuttle Challenger), was born.
(MC, 6/24/02)

1949 Feb 24, A V-2 WAC-Corporal was the 1st rocket to outer space. It was fired at White Sands, NM, and reached 400 km.
(MC, 2/24/02)

1951 May 26, Sally Ride, the first American woman in space, was born in LA, Calif. She flew on the Space Shuttle Challenger.
(HN, 5/26/99)(MC, 5/26/02)

simply too long

2009 May 24, The space shuttle Atlantis and its 7 astronauts landed at Edwards Air Force Base in California ending a 13-day mission that repaired and enhanced the Hubble Space Telescope. Stormy weather in Florida prevented a return to NASA's home base.
(AP, 5/24/09)(SFC, 5/25/09, p.A5)

2009 May 27, A Russian space capsule, carrying Canadian Bob Thirsk, Russian Roman Romanenko and Belgian Frank De Winne, blasted off from Kazakhstan for a 2 day journey to the ISS.
(SFC, 5/28/09, p.A2)

http://timelines.ws/subjects/NASA.HTML
Also the former SU has to be taken into account. Basically, they also have had their 'paperclip'.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/chronology.html

http://my.execpc.com/~culp/space/timeline.html

https://ssl.kotte-autographs.com/doc...en/09/9566.jpg
http://www.fen.bilkent.edu.tr/%7Ebut...%20gerlach.jpg
www.uni-frankfurt.de/fb/fb13/Dateien/fr020206.pdf

http://www.springerlink.com/content/p72218361287275g/


Both's works are very interesting.

quest.arc.nasa.gov/aero/wright/teachers/pdf/socialstudies/Timeline.pdf

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Here is a very interesting recent excerpt from http://www.enterprisemission.com/Norway-Message3.htm

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"... so we are left with ... some version of my Nazi International extra-territorial state, with, in my mind, an all but proven track record of the postwar investigation of precisely the technologies to bring down the Towers. Radical and wild and woolly as I think this scenario sounds, it does in my mind rationalize the rather odd signs of 'panic' that 'our' elite has shown since 9/11, for consider the almost frenzied rush into Afghanistan and Iraq (whose true and ultimate purpose, I think, involved much more than oil, and I hint about that ultimate purpose in my books repeatedly). Realizing that they were faced with an extra-territorial state with possession of extraordinarily sophisticated scalar-torsion technology that had been successfully weaponized, they launched a 'war on terror' with radical Islam as the fall guy, when in fact, the real target is something completely different and much more frightening. The behavior of the financial elite during the bailout crisis is another signal, at least to me, that someone has the gun to their heads, they acted like people being blackmailed by some hidden 'protection racket' by insisting on 'no oversight' back in 2008. The only people in the historical record that wielded such financial and technological clout that I can think of were, in fact, the postwar Nazis.

"There is a final, even weirder, consideration, and that's Ian Fleming and his James Bond novels/films. Many people have always considered that he was 'leaking information in the guise of fiction.' Well, consider the movie 'You Only Live Twice,' where you have the following elements clearly displayed:



1) An international conspiracy that is extra-territorial, called SPECTRE (Society for the Promotion of Extortion, Criminality, Terrorism, Revenge...);


2) That society has a secret space program and is using it to interfere with Russian and American space launches (shades of the recent collision of an American and Russian satellite in orbit above the earth), and to bring the two nations to the brink of war;


3) That society has a heavy presence of Japanese criminal underground; and finally,


4) It is headed by an obviously German fellow named Ernst Stavro Blohfeld (played by Donald Pleasance, and thus, plump, middle aged, and almost Bormann-esque in appearance)



"So if one grants the proposition that Fleming is 'leaking information', then the conclusion is obvious as to what he's trying to say. And I believe this to be the case because in effect this is what my own research has been able to verify, in that, I have been able to argue points 1,2, and 4 are most likely true, and that would seem to indicate that point 3 is as well.

"So my 'op within an op within an op' scenario is basically that someone, with probable access to hidden space technologies, and with all but certain access to weaponized versions of scalar-torsion technologies, brought the Twin Towers down. That 'someone' is some sort of rogue extra-territorial organization, with deep and historical connections to the radical Islamic underworld, and that leaves me with, guess who, the Nazis. Thus, I believe the second level of that 9/11 conspiracy, our own home-grown elitists, were once again played the fools by the outer and innermost rings of it, in a sort of "squeeze from below squeeze from above" methodology, a methodology that elite has used itself numerous times.

"By using that specific methodology against the very people that use it themselves, the message was sent: we know your game, and lookie-lookie what we can do, what we have possession of. We can literally turn your centers and instrumentalities of power to dust before your very eyes. We are deeply penetrated into your own covert agencies and plans, and the game is now afoot.

"Consider also the Masonic symbolism of what was struck in that way: the Twin Towers, the twin masonic pillars of Jachin and Boaz, sitting in the heart of the Anglo-American elite's financial district. Richard's analysis of the esoteric symbolism {"Who's the Enemy, Really?" at http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm] is as far as I'm concerned right on target, as is his analysis of why radical Islam would be involved. I think, too, he might be willing to entertain my particular "twist" on his scenario, in that one has not only radical Muslims, but worse, unreconstructed Nazis involved with it, after all, the historical connections between the two run very deep. The Muslims do not have access to such technologies, whereas the Nazis were investigating them with a vengeance since at least 1933!

"So, that's it in a nutshell [emphasis added] ...."
Pretty good summarizes what I think.
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Decide for yourselves.

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tinyint,

Thanks for posting those links. I think Richard Hoagland is on to something here. I heard him on Coast To Coast AM saying the same things. If there is anyone that has these exotic type of weapons like a DEW that brought down the WTC's etc, it would be the post-war Nazi's.

I find Hoagland's theories about this absolutely fascinating!
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'Is there evidence for a Nazi faction?'

Richard Hoagland has long been dismissed but it will become more apparent that he's in the right area. The involvement is more than just a faction, it permeates almost everything. What is thought of as "Nazi's" or "Fascists" stems from an outside third party involvement with the government of Germany at the time of The Second War. The third party is now effectively in control of what is purporting to be the government of the United States and to a lesser extent the states of the European Union.

President Of The United States great grand daughter Laura Magdalene Eisenhower touches on the subject here: http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=9885

President Eisenhower was party to some of the information and addressed the issue in his farewell speech, referring to the "Military Industrial Complex."
President Kennedy called what was happening at the time a "Monolithic and Ruthless Conspiracy". He continued "...it is a system that has conscripted vast Human resources..." making a point of using the word "Human".

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Actually I think, Hoagland has done good work, but he and enterprisemission(farrell, marrs etc) have not figured it out for themselves. Hoagland basically refers to Farrell for historic research, whereas Farell refers mainly to I.Witkowski and suppressed german authors.

I don't think, it is the whole US govt, but an indeed 'shadow' govt, consisting of NSA, NASA, CIA... 'above top secret'.

Here is a very recommended interview with the man, who brought the topic into english world...

In eg germany, such research have been criminalized and ridiculed since after the war, and it is still.
They hunt down any such information and deeply penetrated the mostly neo-nazi scene.
It is a potential threat to the existence of FRG, which can be even proven, but draconian law prevent that.



Shame, Hoagland does not talk about the last of the 3 factions, the Magicians...






http://www.youtube.com/user/ufohypotheses
You'll also find more on my channel.

The whole topic is strongly connected to what we call 'UFO' and 'ET'.
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I concur, there is no question that there's a "non human" involvement and by no means the whole of the US government has been infiltrated, but for the purposes of this thread "they" deal with those whom they regard as actually being in power ie. a shadow government.

President Clinton was party to the information and was asked to disclose, but he feared meeting the same fate as President Kennedy. President Obama was fully for disclosure and wanted to return to The Moon but has since been reigned in.

When mentioning Extra Terrestrial Being's however, what are referred to as "Greys" are mostly inter-dimensional beings or genetically engineered hybrids.

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I concur, there's no question that it's extra terrestrial involvement and by no means the whole of the US government has been infiltrated, but for the purposes of this thread "they" deal with those whom they regard as actually being in power ie. the shadow government.

President Clinton was party to the information and was asked to disclose, but he feared meeting the same fate as President Kennedy. President Obama was fully for disclosure and wanted to return to The Moon but has been reigned in.
Well, that is highly speculative...

I tend to think/believe, there is indeed an escaped faction, probably have a base located at antarctica, spelling it out... Neuschwabenland or base211 or possibly codenamed 'aldebaran' or 'atlantis'. This faction, farrell calls them the nazi international, in my view, have infiltrated both US and SU. The same faction, do not allow any conventional/official spaceship of any nation eg on the moon.
Same faction, I suppose, have very advanced technology, partly protected by patents, partly completely hidden and weaponized.

I think, WWII has never been ended, and that this faction fights against UN, therefore the cold war was just to cover the embarreasment and pending defeat of the banksters.

I think, a deadline has been set with 2012, and that is also why they have build up the ET(eg grey) hoax.

Very interestingly, I watched yesterday Stargate:Continuum... the plot is self revealing I think. (Timetravel connected with sunspots )

http://www.german-discs.net/claims/base211.php

http://de.base211.ru/

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President Obama was for full disclosure and wanted to take the Orion missions back to the moon. With the greatest of respect what is "speculative" is to say that a rogue Nazi faction is using advanced weaponry from bases in Antarctica.

However the existence of visiting Extra Terrestrial's is being used as a social engineering program but The Earth is certainly not going to come to an end in a couple of years.

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President Obama was for full disclosure and wanted to take the Orion missions back to the moon. With the greatest of respect what is "speculative" is to say that a rogue Nazi faction is using advanced weaponry from bases in Antarctica.

However the existence of visiting Extra Terrestrial's is being used as a social engineering program but The Earth is certainly not going to come to an end in a couple of years.
Well, I disagree. Any president of the US has been a puppet, knowing almost nothing. That is why JFK died.

I tend to mistrust any info from US, given the fact, that this whol etopic is highly sensitive to german 'authorities', it's highly inconvenient to them.

Antarctica... yes, it is as speculative as believing obama wanted really to return to the moon.
Fact is, US undertook a massive military operation in 1947... Operation Highjump. It has been always rumored, the SU also sent ships.
Why did they do such a huge operation shortly after the war. Same year, Roswell incident took place, Kenneth Arnold etc...
Why does goolgle earth manipulate antarctica?

The grey falcon content, btw, is just a good english summary, what has been mouth to mouth since after the war in germany, because of laws. Makes me again think, why the laws?

Makes more sense than an 'almighty' US president.

Nothing is as it seems to be.

Edit: Who said 2012 will be the end? That is disinfo doom BS.

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This story about " The Bell " that Farrell is talking about is damn interesting..
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Non-Zionist factions of the players

After we have discussed ad nausea the Zionist part of the NWO forces, I think it's time to look who else is involved. Some have argued that the Zionist bankers are just fronts. Is there evidence for other parties? This is a fact-finding discussion, not an excessive rehash of Jesuits vs. Zionists vs. Bloodlines.

Banking
Deutsche Bank has popped up as a global player, perhaps even on a scale of JP Morgan-Chase and Goldman-Sachs. Who are the players in the Islamic and Chinese world? How are they connected with Zionist bankers?

Military/Industrial Complex
An old friend. What other objectives are there but to keep the money rolling and resources cheap? Is there evidence for a Nazi faction?

Energy & Big Oil
One of the first analysis of the current wars were that they were driven by oil interests. Control of Iraqi oilfields and control of Afghanistan for its pipeline.
House of Saud and House of Bush have a special connection. Russia is emerging as a major energy supplier, not just to Europe but now with a pipeline to Asia.

Big Pharma Drug & Chemical Companies
Who owns what here? Merck, Bayer, Glaxo, Baxter, BASF
Swiss, German, American

Big food
Nestle, Monsanto, Unilever

IT technology & alternate physics?
Intel, Siemens, Cisco

Transportation & shipping
Airlines, Airbus, Boing, Maersk

Drug Trade
Black Ops financings or just business? From British East-India Comp and it's Boxer war, Vietnam, Brazil, Columbia, Afghanistan, Lebanon to Nazi & CIA

Well, that's the initial list, please add any information you may have on the matter. How do the different parts inter-connect?
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Old 23-02-2010, 11:38 PM   #19
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Exclamation From Permindex to Haliburton

Is this where Fascists meets Big Oil, Jewish Mafya and Military/Industrial players? How does Gehlenorg conect with Meyer-Lansky, Bronfman and Bush? Still digging here...

Drugs, Murder, Oil, JFK, Nuclear bombs, secret Space programs

Permindex, Murder INC.

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In 1967, New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison prosecuted New Orleans business man Clay Shaw for conspiracy to assassinate President Kennedy. Garrison suggested in his book, On the Trail of the Assassins, that Shaw received instructions from Louis M. Bloomfield.1 In addition, Garrison discovered that Shaw and Bloomfield were board members of two trade organizations, Permindex and Centro Mondiale Commerciale, both expelled from Italy in 1962 for subversive intelligence activity.
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NOMENCLATURE OF AN ASSASSINATION CABAL

The five groups under Permindex and their supervisors were:

1. The Czarist Russian, Eastern European and Middle East exile organization called SOLIDARISTS, headed by Ferenc Nagy, ex-Hungarian Premier, and John DeMenil, Russian exile from Houston, Texas, a close friend and supporter of Lyndon Johnson for over thirty years.

2. A section of the AMERICAN COUNCIL OF CHRISTIAN CHURCHES headed by H.L. Hunt of Dallas, Texas.

3. A Cuban exile group called FREE CUBA COMMITTEE headed by Carlos Prio Socarras, ex-Cuban President.

4. An organization of United States, Caribbean, and Havana, Cuba gamblers called the Syndicate headed by Clifford Jones, ex-Lieutenant Governor of Nevada and Democratic National Committeeman, and Bobby Baker of Washington, D.C. This group worked closely with a Mafia family headed by Joe Bonnano.

5. The SECURITY DIVISION of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) headed by Wernher Von Braun, head of the German Nazi rocket program from 1932 through 1945. Headquarters for this group was the DEFENSE INDUSTRIAL SECURITY COMMAND at Muscle Shoals Redstone Arsenal in Alabama and on East Broad Street in Columbus, Ohio. http://www.newsmakingnews.com/torbitt2.htm
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The PERMINDEX connection to the Bush power moves.

Paravicini Bank and Permindex

In the same year that Zapata and Pennzoil were moving toward hostile takeovers, a new Swiss bank opened in Houston with J. Hugh Liedtke and George Bush's securities adviser, W.S. Farish III, among the directors. Called "Bank for Investment and Credit Berne" (BICB), its stock was owned by Capital National Bank and Paravicini Bank, but investors included Seagrams, Boeing, Minute Maid in Zurich, the London subsidiary of Brown and Root and the Schlesinger Organization of London and Johannesburg. These investors are more than interesting in light of the fact that Paravicini is a descendant of the Venetian Pallavicini family, whose attorney in Rome,
Carlo d'Amelio, was the general counsel to Centro Mondiale Commerciale (CMC), the Italian arm of Permindex. CMC was incorporated in Berne Switzerland, and D' Amelio sat on the board of directors during the time that Seagrams' attorney, Louis Mortimer Bloomfield of Montreal [Bronfman family], was chairman of Permindex.

When the role of CMC in the attempted assassination of President DeGaulle of France was discovered, it fled Europe and re-emerged in Johannesburg, South Africa. However, the parent company, Permindex, continued to be managed from Montreal by Bloomfield. Clay Shaw, the man prosecuted in New Orleans by Jim Garrison for his role in the Kennedy assassination, was also a board member of CMC, with which his International Trade Mart had connections. http://911review.org/companies/Bush_...lliburton.html
South Africa developed Nuclear Weapons in cooperation with German interests. JFK demanded inspectors to check Israel's Nuclear program. Ben Gurion resigned in protest.

Bronfman

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The Bronfman family is best known to Americans through its ownership of Seagrams, the biggest liquor company in North America. The family's holdings stretch from whiskey, banking, mining, to real estate, and-although somewhat less publicized-narcotics. Today they are regarded as respectable and outstanding "philanthropists" whose name is attached to everything important in Canada-and Israel-be it government, business, or cultural affairs.

This was not always the public profile of the Bronfman family. Less than fifty years ago, they were known to be the biggest bootleggers in North America and were referred to by the less prestigious title "the Bronfman gang."

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With Prohibition, crime became a big-time business. It was no longer based on small-scale prostitution, loan-sharking, or petty protection rackets. Now it was centralized around the marketing of one precious and outlawed commodity whose supply was controlled from London and from the British colony of Canada. Crime was reorganized from top to bottom into an integrated wholesale and retail distribution chain with well-defined marketing districts, quotas, and uniform pricing. Crime became syndicated. http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Dr...INC_part3.html
Schlumberger
Global oilfield and information services company with major activity in the energy industry.

Schlumberger is the world's leading supplier of technology, project management, and information solutions to the oil and gas industry.
www.schlumberger.com

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Schlumberger is an arm of one of Europe's most important banking and intelligence operations. Banque de Neuflize, Schlumberger, Mallet, Demachy, now a unit of ABN AMRO, is one of those small but important merchant banks which specializes in shaping world events. The families behind the bank have a long history of molding the Synarchist movement as an assault-force against the United States, from the spying of Major André in 1780 to the assassination of JFK. Today, as an indication of its continuing intelligence activities, Schlumberger's board includes former CIA Director John Deutch. http://www.larouchepub.com/other/200...b_profile.html
Halliburton

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In his farewell address to the nation in 1961, President Dwight Eisenhower warned about the dangers of "the acquisition of unwarranted influence" by the "military-industrial complex," noting that "the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes." http://www.larouchepub.com/other/200...b_profile.html
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At the time, Cheney and his Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, Paul Wolfowitz, were pushing for wars against smaller, resource-rich nations, including the use of "low-yield" nuclear weapons. When George H.W. Bush left office in January 1993, Cheney spent some time at the neo-conservative American Enterprise Institute, and then in 1995, joined Halliburton as president and chief executive. Cheney added chairman to his titles in 1996, and ran the company until August 2000, when he stepped down to run for Vice President. And during that 1995-2000 period, one dollar of every seven spent by the Pentagon, passed through what is now Kellogg Brown & Root! http://www.larouchepub.com/other/200...b_profile.html
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Old 24-02-2010, 12:23 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by orage View Post
Is this where Fascists meets Big Oil, Jewish Mafya and Military/Industrial players? How does Gehlenorg conect with Meyer-Lansky, Bronfman and Bush? Still digging here...
This is where I admittedly also very much struggle to connect some dots. This seems to be the most difficult part in the hidden history.
Traces and hints everywhere, but nothing solid, which could be considered true by common sense.
I am digging here since some years now.

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In exchange for their official recognition as sole representatives of the Jewish community, the Zionist leaders offered to break the boycott which the world anti-Fascists were trying to organize.

Economic collaboration began in 1933 : two companies were created : the "Haavara Company" at Tel Aviv and the "Paltreu", in Berlin.

The mechanism of the operation was the following : a Jew wanting to emigrate would deposit a minimum of 1,000 pounds sterling at the Wasserman Bank in Berlin or in the Warburg bank in Hamburg. With this sum, Jewish exporters could buy German goods for Palestine, and pay the corresponding amount in Palestinian pounds into the Haavara account at the Anglo-Palestine Bank at Tel Aviv. When the immigrant arrived in Palestine, he received the equivalent of the sum he had deposited in Germany.

Several future Israeli prime ministers took part in the "haavara" undertaking, including Ben Gurion, Moshe Sharret (who was then called Moshe Shertok), Golda Meir (who supported it from New York), and Levi Eshkol, who was its representative in Berlin.

Source: "Ben Gourion et Shertok, dans Black": L'accord de la "havaara", p.294. Quoted by Tom Segev in "Le septieme million", (Ed. Liana Levi. French translation. 1993, p. 30 and 595).
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Drugs, Murder, Oil, JFK, Nuclear bombs, secret Space programs
Well, if you were indeed an extra-territorial entity you would have to find ways to finance your efforts. Whoever that is.

Bloomfield--- the name strikes me with this...





To be continued...

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