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I've said it before, if you can harness a self organising force in nature, within a system, you should be able to increase efficiency. If the system itself can operate at 75%-90% efficiency and if, in certain conditions of operation, the naturally occuring force is created and tapped or rather, it contributes to the effectiveness of the system, it would appear the system has increased its efficiency. When in fact, two seperate sources of power are at play.

I don't see a system operating like this in violation of any laws. Nor do I see any reason why a 'machine' cannot be designed to operate like this.

Momentum, centrifugal, water hammer, back emf, are forces that 'manifest' within a system when certain conditions apply. If they can be tapped and added to the system output, its logical to conclude you will perceive increased power output.

The water hammer effect is very real, it was first discovered when they built big ocean liners with propellers, it was found the effect of the water, oscillating between the outer hull plates and the propeller could bash holes in the steel plated holes. (can't remember exctly when they discovered it) I've always thought, if the effect is predictable and happens in a predictable location, why can't something be built to harvest the energy? It seems obvious, the trouble is, knowing how to utilize that energy for gain.

The Hydrosonic pump is an example of utilising the water hammer effect for gain.

It is a steam generator, by using a non conventional method and then adding holes, the pump induces the hammer effect while in operation and the effect contributes to the systems effeciveness of generating steam. Hence an efficiency or energy gain is observed at the output. The natural effect contributes to the efficiency of the system.

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NASA engineers are well known for their skills overcoming obstacles encountered when designing space missions; but they are also able to provide solutions for more down-to-earth problems. Just ask Hydro Dynamics, Inc., of Rome, Georgia, which benefited from the helping hand Marshall Space Flight Center was able to provide.

Hydro Dynamics' patented device, the Hydrosonic Pump,TM (HPump) kept running into problems with the bearings needed to operate a rotor inside the device. In search of an answer for how to fix the problem and make the device marketable, Hydro Dynamics turned to Marshall. Through a Technology Transfer Agreement, Marshall scientists and engineers were able to examine and analyze the problem and provide some solutions for the company.

Link - http://spinoff.nasa.gov/spinoff2000/ip3.htm

Osmotic power plants, electricity generating stations using the osmosis effect between salt water and fresh water are another example of using a natural phenomena for energy gain. Osmotic plants completely rely on the natural phenomena of osmosis for an energy gain.

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Osmotic Power
Osmotic power or salinity gradient power is the energy available from the difference in the salt concentration between seawater and river water. Two practical methods for this are reverse electrodialysis[1] (RED) and pressure-retarded osmosis.[2] (PRO). Both processes rely on osmosis with ion specific membranes. The key waste product is brackish water. This byproduct is the result of natural forces that are being harnessed: the flow of fresh water into seas that are made up of salt water.

Link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmotic_power


These are examples of 'tapping the wheel work of nature' as Tesla put it. Certainly he meant it in an electrical sense. But There are parralells with this in other area's such as magnetism, acoustics or osmosis.

The osmosis effect for power generation is ok but probably inefficient and produces 'dirty water' a waste product we don't really want. The Hydrosonic pump, utilises the water hammer effect to increase the effectiveness the work the system is doing. It is a much better example of exploiting a phenomena to directly increase the effectiveness of the system.

Water powered cars are a no brainer. Water can be split into hydrogen and oxygen to fuel a conventional engine. The argument is, using conventional electrolysis standards, there is not enough energy generated by the engine to convert enough Hydrogen, on demand, to power a vehicle. So the answer is use a non conventional method of electrolysis. In fact, there are two answers to this.

One. Use a non conventional system to improve your electrolysis. Mr Cornish used a roll of wire as a sacrifical anode that while conducting electricity to electrolyze the water, also disintegrated, releasing hydrocarbons into the gas and increasing the fuel content. JL Naudin does a similar thing with his bingo fuel reactor. Stan Meyer and I'm sure others increased efficiency with resonance, another natural phenomena.

Two. If you can't produce enough energy to completely power the car, then set the system up to produce and combine hydrogen with either petrol or diesel combustion chambers and improve the effectiveness of the engine with a cleaner burn. Thus improving the overall system.

Its the 'all or nothing' principle, divide and conquer in another guise. You can have petrol or diesel cos they work and thats what they supply. Nitrous oxide and other systems are 'exotic' technology. Used on the race track and by a few nutters. But really they represent a more efficient use of technology. Nitrous oxide and water injection are just charge cooling, the reverse of super charging and turbo charging. They improve the efficiency of air into the engine, you can also cool the exhaust, or cool the intake manifold. Improvement comes slowly cos they control it.

See the Preston Tucker or Henry Ford's hemp car for examples of product surpression and market manipulation. We've been convinced that their way was the only way, and it involved the most inefficient methods dependant on oil. Nothing has been allowed to shake that economy. Even Henry Ford himself, a known inventor and entrepenur, with his own factory at his disposal, could not release his Hemp car, because, quote, ' there are forces at work against me, even within my own company, that I cannot compete against' cannot do it, there is little hope of a small inventor ever changing the industry and introducing a competing product. I concede some headway has been made with LGP and CNG and Bush Jnr did give a Billion dollars to the oil cartel to research extracting hydrogen from oil, but thats about it, its really just a token effort.

Water powered cars, we've had them from, probably, at least the '70's, they rely on the natural phenomena of electrolysis. Conventional electrolysis methods do not work but novel methods do. The engine would rust but that can be overcome.

Bio fuel powered cars, we could have had them from the '30's or the early 1900's if you count Rudolph Diesel's contribution. Why do I include them? Bio fuels are derived from plants which utilise photsynthesis to grow. Capturing, storing and harvesting the sun's energy using photosyntheisis is exploiting a natural phenomena for energy gain, its just a longer timescale. Timescales are important to understanding free energy. Its not all about instantaneous power.

So I've illustrated several examples of energy gain from natural phenomena, there are many others, wind, wave, geo thermal, earths magnetic field, the earths atmospheric electric potential. But using these would deplete them and they play a role how our earth functions so they are probably not the best source to tap on a large scale. The best source is to create and exploit phenomena within systems created for a job, like fridges, hydrosonic steam generators and geothermal heating, Sterling engines, solar panels, and perhaps Clem engines.

Oh and Viktor Schauberger anyone?

Beyond these sources of course we need to use our energy more efficiently but thats another discussion under the heading 'Market Profiteering' Selling the least efficient product and blaming the consumer for its prevalance.

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Osmosis power stations are the perfect example of Free Energy system 'tapping the wheelwork of nature' Osmosis, is a naturally occuring phenomena. It is an effect, where the system is self ordering. But it operates by harnessing the energy externally to the system.

Any self organising mechanism in nature is an example of Maxwells demon if you know how to use it.

In the words of a physicist on the UK channel four Equinoxe program - It Runs On Water stated, 'If you live next to Coulee dam, as long as you know how to drill a hole and tap the pressure released, you've got a constant supply of energy' (If you don't know how to tap it, you got nothing)


Tesla's wheelwork of nature, can be seen as two seperate things, if you like, but its really just energy at different stages. There is the energy floating around our universe and our planet, atmospheric electricity, solar energy, geo thermal, Earths magnetic field, rivers, wind, etc etc etc This is Radiant energy. Energy bought to this planet by the workings of the universe, solar and cosmic radiation. There are documentary's on this sort of thing, 'Electric Universe' for instance.

There is radiaton in space, there is solar energy, there is energy in the vacum if you know how to tap it (Casimir effect), there's energy everywhere, our whole reality is energy and energy conversion. (Hint - its all energy)

Within this sea of energy, there are natural mechanisms or processes. Lets call them natural process's or natural phenomena.

Resonance, in an electrical sense, is a natural phenomena that occurs when certain criteria within a circuit have been met. One effect is the impedance (resistance) in the circuit drops drastically. Less resistance, less energy wasted. The effect is used for tuning in Radi for example.

Resonance is also physical volume. If you have a closed space, and play a specific frequency as a continous tone, when the physical wave lengths of the frequency equal or are an exact multiple of, the length of the physical space, resonance occurs. The wavelengths oscilate forward and back and strengthen the new waves and it gets louder.

Water in a vessel has resonance, the size of the pool dictates the resonant
frequency of the waves, if you were to make a continous splash, say every second, at one end of the pool, waves of energy would be produced heading towards the other end, if the physical size of the wave, peak and trough, is an exact mulitple of the length of the pool, in feet or inches it doesn't matter, and you keep splashing at one end, exactly in rythym, eventually the energy would build up until the whole pool would be filled with waves, one after the other exactly the length and breadth of the pool, peaks and troughs, but they would not appear to move, they would just get bigger and bigger. This is a visual image of resonance. Lets name some other self organising systems in nature, ie natural process's or phenomena that occur in nature (feel free to add more, there are loads).

Capillary
Osmosis
Centrifugal
Momentum
Electrolysis
Resonance
B.E.M.F
Water Hammer
Vortex
Gravity
Magnetism
photosynthesis


Then there's the obvious

Thunder storms
Waves on the sea (really wind and gravity energy)
Solar
Wind
Geo thermal
Earths magnetic field
Atmospheric, Cosmic radiation.
Vegetation (plants convert and store solar energy)


Ok I'm rambling, you get the picture. There are many self organising mechanisms in nature. If you know how to use the process to get energy out of it, you got free energy and you are tapping, a 'wheelwork' or 'mechanism' or 'natural process' or 'natural phenomena' so that the self organising mechanism, natures wheelwork, increases the effectiveness of the system, that is an example of Maxwell's Demon. You just have to know how to use that specific demon for an increase in your system.


Osmosis Power Stations

Basically, all you need to do is mix fresh water and sea water seperated by a
membrane to obtain energy. The osmosis effect is a 'one way' effect in nature or one sided. In other words it is non symetrical effect. Non symmetry is also another key to free energy.

You set up, with as much ease as possible, a system where fresh water and sea water are naturally coming together and build your device there. You fill seperate chambers seperated by a membrane with fresh and seawater, when they mix and the overall volume increases on one side, the water drains off and drives a water wheel. The wheel spins a magnet around and a coil of wire surrounding the magnet picks up the magnetic energy as electrical energy.

The trick is to build your plant where this happens naturally. Hence, you do not need to pump much water. But you harness the effect of osmosis. Which allows you to drive a water wheel that generates energy. As long as you get more energy out of the system than you put in by having to pump water about, you are getting an energy gain. You are getting more energy out than you put in. If you did not, it would not be economically viable.

Once again, the natural phenomena that the water wheel is tapping is osmosis, the phenomena is being tapped externally to the system and drives the wheel. The whole system puts more energy out than you put in, because you exploited natural phenomena, river and sea and osmosis, a naturally occuring process or mechanism of nature or natures wheelwork, in order to gain energy.



That explanation, the operation of an Osmosis power plant, is a physical
representation of a real system that in effect, gives more energy out than input. It does this by tapping both a natural resource and a natural phenomena. In other words, when conditions are right and if you know how to do it then you can get something for not very much by tapping a wheel work of nature. The wheelwork's are both, the natural freshwater rivers and sea's and Osmosis.

The Hydrosonic pump, creates the natural phenomena, within the system when it operates and the phenomena, directly contributes to the work the system is doing. Hence it increases its efficiency and you appear to be getting more energy out than you put in. In the case of the Hydrosonic pump, the claimed output was between 105% and 115% of energy input.

It does this by inducing the water hammer effect which helps the system make steam and increases its efficiency. It creates the effect by drilling holes in a big wheel fo metal. When the wheel is spun around, the holes create pressure waves, if you didn't have the holes, there would be no pressure waves, the steam generator would create steam at whatever efficiency it would naturally do. By adding holes, it works better. I t increases efficiency and you didn't have to do much. Just a one time modification. The Hydrosonic pump is tapping a wheelwork of nature. The water hammer effect is a natural phenomena that occurs, when certain physical conditions are met and a pressure wave is created. By organising his steam generator such that it works on the jack hammer effect, which it induces when it operates at no extra cost to the input. The self organising water hammer effect contributes to the effectiveness of the system, causing the system to appear to put more energy out than put in.

This is because the phenomena is self organising and creates energy within the system by as a result of the system's operation.

This is Maxwells Demon.

Its just, Maxwells demon was applied to a specific problem.

Maxwell's Demon is a self organising system. If a bettery has positive and negative charges seperated. When it is discharged, the charge seperation is neutralised. If a demon, opened and closed gate, and seperated the charges, at no cost to the user, the battery wouldapear to do it itself, in effect, the battery would re-charge itself. Re-organise itself back to how it started when fully charged. This is Maxwell's demon applied to electrical theory. A self organising system in nature is Maxwell's demon if applied to a machine that specifically exploits the effect.

But if you take any self organising or natural phenomena in nature, and use it within a system you will get a more efficient system, theoretically that may be over unity. It depends how clever you are. If I stand at Coulee dam, an a drill a hole so big that the pressure out could drive a generator that powered my house and electric car, after the initial expense of the generator, I would have free energy by harnessing the wheelwork of nature. Creating and exploiting pressure. But there is much more available than powering my home, it could power millions of homes. You just need to know how best to tap it. Its not a big leap from there to look at the atmospheric energy and cosmic radiation as an energy source. Its devious and representative of Maxwell's demon to create and exploit a natural phenomena within a device to your advantage. Its the height of engineering. Take a predictable natural phenomena and tailor a device to induce the phenomena while working, so that the phenomena add's to the efficiency of the device or channel energy that is freely available in the environment or the vacum.

There is 'free energy' everywhere if you know how to tap it.
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The water hammer effect is very real, it was first discovered when they built big ocean liners with propellers, it was found the effect of the water, oscillating between the outer hull plates and the propeller could bash holes in the steel plated holes. (can't remember exctly when they discovered it) I've always thought, if the effect is predictable and happens in a predictable location, why can't something be built to harvest the energy? It seems obvious, the trouble is, knowing how to utilize that energy for gain.

The Hydrosonic pump is an example of utilising the water hammer effect for gain.

It is a steam generator, by using a non conventional method and then adding holes, the pump induces the hammer effect while in operation and the effect contributes to the systems effeciveness of generating steam. Hence an efficiency or energy gain is observed at the output. The natural effect contributes to the efficiency of the system.




Osmotic power plants, electricity generating stations using the osmosis effect between salt water and fresh water are another example of using a natural phenomena for energy gain. Osmotic plants completely rely on the natural phenomena of osmosis for an energy gain.





These are examples of 'tapping the wheel work of nature' as Tesla put it. Certainly he meant it in an electrical sense. But There are parralells with this in other area's such as magnetism, acoustics or osmosis.

The osmosis effect for power generation is ok but probably inefficient and produces 'dirty water' a waste product we don't really want. The Hydrosonic pump, utilises the water hammer effect to increase the effectiveness the work the system is doing. It is a much better example of exploiting a phenomena to directly increase the effectiveness of the system.

Water powered cars are a no brainer. Water can be split into hydrogen and oxygen to fuel a conventional engine. The argument is, using conventional electrolysis standards, there is not enough energy generated by the engine to convert enough Hydrogen, on demand, to power a vehicle. So the answer is use a non conventional method of electrolysis. In fact, there are two answers to this.

One. Use a non conventional system to improve your electrolysis. Mr Cornish used a roll of wire as a sacrifical anode that while conducting electricity to electrolyze the water, also disintegrated, releasing hydrocarbons into the gas and increasing the fuel content. JL Naudin does a similar thing with his bingo fuel reactor. Stan Meyer and I'm sure others increased efficiency with resonance, another natural phenomena.

Two. If you can't produce enough energy to completely power the car, then set the system up to produce and combine hydrogen with either petrol or diesel combustion chambers and improve the effectiveness of the engine with a cleaner burn. Thus improving the overall system.

Its the 'all or nothing' principle, divide and conquer in another guise. You can have petrol or diesel cos they work and thats what they supply. Nitrous oxide and other systems are 'exotic' technology. Used on the race track and by a few nutters. But really they represent a more efficient use of technology. Nitrous oxide and water injection are just charge cooling, the reverse of super charging and turbo charging. They improve the efficiency of air into the engine, you can also cool the exhaust, or cool the intake manifold. Improvement comes slowly cos they control it.

See the Preston Tucker or Henry Ford's hemp car for examples of product surpression and market manipulation. We've been convinced that their way was the only way, and it involved the most inefficient methods dependant on oil. Nothing has been allowed to shake that economy. Even Henry Ford himself, a known inventor and entrepenur, with his own factory at his disposal, could not release his Hemp car, because, quote, ' there are forces at work against me, even within my own company, that I cannot compete against' cannot do it, there is little hope of a small inventor ever changing the industry and introducing a competing product. I concede some headway has been made with LGP and CNG and Bush Jnr did give a Billion dollars to the oil cartel to research extracting hydrogen from oil, but thats about it, its really just a token effort.

Water powered cars, we've had them from, probably, at least the '70's, they rely on the natural phenomena of electrolysis. Conventional electrolysis methods do not work but novel methods do. The engine would rust but that can be overcome.

Bio fuel powered cars, we could have had them from the '30's or the early 1900's if you count Rudolph Diesel's contribution. Why do I include them? Bio fuels are derived from plants which utilise photsynthesis to grow. Capturing, storing and harvesting the sun's energy using photosyntheisis is exploiting a natural phenomena for energy gain, its just a longer timescale. Timescales are important to understanding free energy. Its not all about instantaneous power.

So I've illustrated several examples of energy gain from natural phenomena, there are many others, wind, wave, geo thermal, earths magnetic field, the earths atmospheric electric potential. But using these would deplete them and they play a role how our earth functions so they are probably not the best source to tap on a large scale. The best source is to create and exploit phenomena within systems created for a job, like fridges, hydrosonic steam generators and geothermal heating, Sterling engines, solar panels, and perhaps Clem engines.

Oh and Viktor Schauberger anyone?

Beyond these sources of course we need to use our energy more efficiently but thats another discussion under the heading 'Market Profiteering' Selling the least efficient product and blaming the consumer for its prevalance.
excellent post
very interesting

are you familiar with john worrell keely?

dale pond has a rather interesting talk I think you will appreciate if you have not seen it,,



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excellent post
very interesting

are you familiar with john worrell keely?

dale pond has a rather interesting talk I think you will appreciate if you have not seen it,,

the picture quality is poor, but the information is exponentially better

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Thanks!

I am familiar with Keely, got his Universal Law book here (packed away nowdays) read it a long time ago. I get the idea and his work is very interesting, however I have not looked at it in great depth but I always saw how it suited Tesla and other's ideas.

Just starting to watch your posted videos (I haven't seen them before) and the term Sympathetic Vibration evoked memory's of the book. Its so easy to see how that applies to this thread with the 'Jack Hammer' effect and 'Resonance' and that these natural phenomena are basically what Keely studied in a vibrational sense.

I know that Keely has supposedly been umasked a fraud. I've seen the picture of the air cylinder. But I know how blatantly free energy researchers get fraudulently 'exposed' and how easily that deceit is accepted, so until I know his worked has been looked at thoroughly and fairly, I refrain from judgement. In my opinion, its easy to see that his intellectual aspirations were probably correct. But his methods and applications may have been narrow sighted.

Keely's work resounds with Tesla's earthquake machine and resonance. Its easy to see how a naturally destructive force, say the Jack Hammer effect, applies to Stan Meyers water splitter and Keely's sympathetic vibration. Harness a natural phenomena within a system, a self ordering mechanism in nature, that can be predicted and therefore modelled and controlled, to do useful work within a system, and the output of the system will no longer be solely related to the input.

To anyone that has experienced, standing waves, acoustic resonance or lazers, sympathetic vibration should be an obvious phrase that does not offend the logic when heard.

Ever driven in a car, with two windows open at opposite ends and got a seriously loud 'choppy' wind noise inside the car? Ever sat in a resteraunt with a wooden lattice ceiling and heard a 'buzzing' noise coming from the music speakers? This is Standing Waves and Resonance. A natural phenomena or self ordering mechanism that occurs when conditions apply. Predictable, travel in your car at 70mph with open windows tomorrow and if the windows are opened the same, the effect will occur again.

Employ that phenomena, which presumably also has electrical and magnetic equivalents, into a machine, such that, the phenomena contributes to the task of the machine, and you can get something more out of the machine without the extra input cost.

Osmosis power plants are different, they work on because of a non symmetrical phenomena, I think of it as Broken Symmetry.


Osmosis Power Systems
Osmosis is a one way effect. It is not reversible. A pendulum is reversible, it swings both ways equally. Hence it can be said, it cancels itself out, you cannot get much useful work from it.

Osmosis is an example of a naturally occuring one way effect, it does not happen equally in both directions. It is a membrane that will let water flow through one way, but not the other. Hence, a water tank with a membrane seperating two sides, will over time, allow the water on one side to leak through to the other, filling the other side, if this excess water is piped off and its pressure used for work, all one needs to do is refill the depleted side.

If it allowed water through in both directions, it could be refered to as symetrical. Same both sides and the idea would not work. The water would just mix, no pressure created on one side. But Omosis is anti symetrical effect in water, like a pendulum swinging in one direction. It is an anomoly, that occurs naturally, if it can be utilised, it can become a source of energy or a useful addition to a machine. This is Maxwell's demon.

I'm getting the paint out.



Its simple and self working. Just need to know how to build the membrane and how to utilize its effect for maximum efficiency, in other words, where to build it. The Osmosis Power plant is a symbolic example of Maxwells Demon. It is a naturally self ordering system where the system is used for energy gain.

The Hydrosonic pump appears to be another example of using a natural effect created within the machine, by natural laws, proably related to sympathetic vibration or resonance, to increase the effectiveness of the machine. In other words, increase the perceived efficiency of the device. But actually, it induces and employs a natural force with litle extra input for greater positive effect. The induced phenomena is 'sympathetic' or it contributes to the work being done and hence raises the output. If the machine is designed to create and contain the effect and channel it into useful work at little extra cost to the original input, of course it will be ''very efficient' and may easily appear to be overunity, when in fact it is not strictly the case.

The trick is, knowing how to create and use the effect for your system.

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The Hydrosonic pump appears to be another example of using a natural effect created within the machine, by natural laws, proably related to sympathetic vibration or resonance, to increase the effectiveness of the machine. In other words, increase the perceived efficiency of the device.
To spell it out,

If the Hydrosonic pump, due to its physical design, operates at 80 or 90% efficiency, but by drilling holes in its mechanical part, induces a pressure wave, at specific rpm, which contributes to the effectiveness of its steam generation, increasing its perceived efficiency to over 100%. This can be explained by the pressure wave created being treated seperately when analysing the system with regard to conservation of energy or 'second law of thermodynamics' because it was not considered in the starting analysis of the system.

The energy input into the system and expected output is running happily accoding to the laws of physics, but the 'water hammer' effect, generated by the holes in the wheel spinning round at specific rpm's in a confined volume, that apart from perhaps some drag, have little negative effects on the machine but creates a pressure wave that contributes to the steam process and increases the perceived output.

This does not violate the laws if its recognised that the system is harnessing an induced natural phenomena as a contributional source of energy to its specific purpose. If you can model the effect, you can model the expected additional output. If the effect is repeatable, it is predictable. If you know how to apply it or tap it, or build a system to harness it, its 'free energy'.

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In the philosophy of thermal and statistical physics, Maxwell's demon is a thought experiment created by the physicist James Clerk Maxwell to "show that the Second Law of Thermodynamics has only a statistical certainty".[1] It demonstrates Maxwell's point by hypothetically describing how to violate the Second Law: a container is divided into two parts by an insulated wall, with a door that can be opened and closed by what came to be called "Maxwell's demon". The demon opens the door to allow only the "hot" molecules of gas to flow through to a favoured side of the chamber, causing that side to gradually heat up while the other side cools down, thus decreasing entropy.

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Thanks!

I am familiar with Keely, got his Universal Law book here (packed away nowdays) read it a long time ago. I get the idea and his work is very interesting, however I have not looked at it in great depth but I always saw how it suited Tesla and other's ideas.

Just starting to watch your posted videos (I haven't seen them before) and the term Sympathetic Vibration evoked memory's of the book. Its so easy to see how that applies to this thread with the 'Jack Hammer' effect and 'Resonance' and that these natural phenomena are basically what Keely studied in a vibrational sense.

I know that Keely has supposedly been umasked a fraud. I've seen the picture of the air cylinder. But I know how blatantly free energy researchers get fraudulently 'exposed' and how easily that deceit is accepted, so until I know his worked has been looked at thoroughly and fairly, I refrain from judgement. In my opinion, its easy to see that his intellectual aspirations were probably correct. But his methods and applications may have been narrow sighted.

Keely's work resounds with Tesla's earthquake machine and resonance. Its easy to see how a naturally destructive force, say the Jack Hammer effect, applies to Stan Meyers water splitter and Keely's sympathetic vibration. Harness a natural phenomena within a system, a self ordering mechanism in nature, that can be predicted and therefore modelled and controlled, to do useful work within a system, and the output of the system will no longer be solely related to the input.

To anyone that has experienced, standing waves, acoustic resonance or lazers, sympathetic vibration should be an obvious phrase that does not offend the logic when heard.

Ever driven in a car, with two windows open at opposite ends and got a seriously loud 'choppy' wind noise inside the car? Ever sat in a resteraunt with a wooden lattice ceiling and heard a 'buzzing' noise coming from the music speakers? This is Standing Waves and Resonance. A natural phenomena or self ordering mechanism that occurs when conditions apply. Predictable, travel in your car at 70mph with open windows tomorrow and if the windows are opened the same, the effect will occur again.

Employ that phenomena, which presumably also has electrical and magnetic equivalents, into a machine, such that, the phenomena contributes to the task of the machine, and you can get something more out of the machine without the extra input cost.

Osmosis power plants are different, they work on because of a non symmetrical phenomena, I think of it as Broken Symmetry.


Osmosis Power Systems
Osmosis is a one way effect. It is not reversible. A pendulum is reversible, it swings both ways equally. Hence it can be said, it cancels itself out, you cannot get much useful work from it.

Osmosis is an example of a naturally occuring one way effect, it does not happen equally in both directions. It is a membrane that will let water flow through one way, but not the other. Hence, a water tank with a membrane seperating two sides, will over time, allow the water on one side to leak through to the other, filling the other side, if this excess water is piped off and its pressure used for work, all one needs to do is refill the depleted side.

If it allowed water through in both directions, it could be refered to as symetrical. Same both sides and the idea would not work. The water would just mix, no pressure created on one side. But Omosis is anti symetrical effect in water, like a pendulum swinging in one direction. It is an anomoly, that occurs naturally, if it can be utilised, it can become a source of energy or a useful addition to a machine. This is Maxwell's demon.

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Its simple and self working. Just need to know how to build the membrane and how to utilize its effect for maximum efficiency, in other words, where to build it. The Osmosis Power plant is a symbolic example of Maxwells Demon. It is a naturally self ordering system where the system is used for energy gain.

The Hydrosonic pump appears to be another example of using a natural effect created within the machine, by natural laws, proably related to sympathetic vibration or resonance, to increase the effectiveness of the machine. In other words, increase the perceived efficiency of the device. But actually, it induces and employs a natural force with litle extra input for greater positive effect. The induced phenomena is 'sympathetic' or it contributes to the work being done and hence raises the output. If the machine is designed to create and contain the effect and channel it into useful work at little extra cost to the original input, of course it will be ''very efficient' and may easily appear to be overunity, when in fact it is not strictly the case.

The trick is, knowing how to create and use the effect for your system.
Yes agreed!

With regards to the 'Griggs' hydroponic pump

I think the effect of extreme friction and velocity the water molecules are pressed onto the moving surface and the resonance frequency travels up the the water into the airspace of the set drilled hole in the barrel.
The frequency is trapped and continually added too by the continued effect.
The frequencies sympathise with the water molecules causing it to resonate exponentially resulting in a rapid temperature increase and even a straight shift from liquid to gas with very little latent heat build up.
This latent heat is released its state, warming the temperature of the immediately surrounding water through conduction and radiation.
Not very well Explained
(It's rather like the effects of rubbing your finger around the edge of a glass with water contained in it, It generates a frequency that becomes audible to the ear through resonance.. Thus the little holes drilled in the drum are the cups containing the water and the pump is the finger rubbing are the cup very very fast)

Bit long winded but I thought I'd give you my perspective.

A very efficient way to heat buildings
There could be district heating program's combined with small electrical power distribution for hamlets and villages




You water osmosis energy is intriguing

Will it really offset as much as in your illustrations without any energy expenditure?
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Bit long winded but I thought I'd give you my perspective.
Thanks it was very interesting. It fits with my thoughts and what I'm trying to explain on the thread.

The way I see it, Hydrosonic pump is using a pressure wave in fluid effect, Stan Meyers is using 'Resonance' they both harness a similar effect, but in different mediums. The effect or phenomena is a resultant of the input energy over time, which develops as a result of the environment, but if its presence increases the effectiveness of another process in the system, the system output is not entirely proportional to its input energy.

Of course the apparent extra energy is just an accumulation of input energy over time which has self organized into an effect (phenomena). But if the effect is useful, and increases the efficiency of the system, it can explain why the output of a device may be higher than expected.


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You water osmosis energy is intriguing

Will it really offset as much as in your illustrations without any energy expenditure?
Oh I've no idea, the drawings aren't scaled. I saw a demonstration model and the perspex chambers were, from recollection, more cube than deep as I have shown. But that was a demonstration model and my picture was just an illustration to convey the principle. I doubt all the water pushes through from what side to the other side, probably levels halfway. I think they are building the first one in Norway.

Maxwells Demon was a thought experiment and he gave the example with Thermodynamics, however it can be applied to other systems. The Osmosis plant is a nice, real, visual image of harnessing energy using a natural phenomena in place of a demon at its core.

The similarity to Maxwell's demon is a loose one and you have to consider the river, the pumps and the sea as part of the system. Which is a pretty big system!

It doesn't work by separating water, but it allows one side through to the other, like a trap door that lets energy through one way but not the other, increasing energy on one side, in other words, its actually only doing half the work of Maxwell's demon.

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An artistic, concept illustration, of Maxwell's Demon using osmosis.



It is an 'Open System' Because it receives energy from the universe (its environment, a long way down the energy chain ) Nevertheless, I believe it is a valid illustration of the concept of Tesla's - Tapping the wheelwork of nature and Maxwell's Demon.

(Tesla was speaking from an electrical sense, but its the concept.)
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An artistic, concept illustration, of Maxwell's Demon using osmosis.



It is an 'Open System' Because it receives energy from the universe (its environment, a long way down the energy chain ) Nevertheless, I believe it is a valid illustration of the concept of Tesla's - Tapping the wheelwork of nature and Maxwell's Demon.

(Tesla was speaking from an electrical sense, but its the concept.)
Yes
There is potentially potential there in that system

Lets hope the Norway construction is successful

I think tesla tapped the frequecies of infinate energy and understood channeling the energy

He himself could have had an ancient annunaki DNA string passed through his dads bollock to him in conception
This may have allowed him to 'see' energy and understand it fully.
They bread with humans so occasionally it will emerge in the gene pool

Anyway I'm waffling again

Nice thread and keep the examples coming of tapping the whys work of nature

Geothermal ?

Wave capture?
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Nice thread and keep the examples coming of tapping the whys work of nature

Geothermal ?

Wave capture?
Cheers!

I thought Tidal would be a great example to illustrate, harnessing the moons orbit, tapping the wheel work of the planets.

But the point is, to illustrate that a system can rely on or utilize a natural phenomena to do useful work in a system. Thus the phenomena becomes a Maxwell demon.

The explanation probably applies to the Hydrosonic pump, Stan Meyers water cell, Clem engine and others.
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Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe. This idea is not novel. Men have been led to it long ago by instinct or reason; it has been expressed in many ways, and in many places, in the history of old and new. We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians and in many hints and statements of thinkers of the present time. Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic! If static, our hopesare in vain; if kinetic - and this we know it is, for certain - then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of Nature.

-"Experiments with alternate currents of high potential and high frequency" (February 1892)

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The energy input from the user perspective is less than the energy out because a natural phenomena, is doing something for nothing. The demon in the osmotic case needs feeding a little power, in Maxwell's example it didn't.

Nor does it in the Hydrosonic pump. You drill the holes and thats it, once the rotor is spinning the holes will create a pressure wave or water hammer effect that although may not exert any help directly, its presence may enable another part of the process to work better, increasing efficiency beyond expected.

The demon creates itself and helps the system to work better when the system is working. Its self inducing natural phenomena that adds energy or aids efficiency to the system or device. This either inputs extra energy that has accumulated within the system over time (e.g. momentum or standing waves) or allows a process within the system to operate more efficiently, like a short chain reaction (or allows the system to receive energy). Increasing the efficiency or output beyond the expected.

The new millennium footbridge across the river Thames in London had to be shut down when it was found that the regular steps of people walking across it somehow started shaking the bridge threatening to cause damage to the structure. The News reported a whole new thing was discovered apparently as a result of this finding. The bridge was closed and alterations made so that it did not continue to happen and the bridge could be used safely.

A self organizing natural phenomena that manifests and exerts energy within a system, often observed with negative or destructive results, when engineered into a system could be used constructively to add energy or increase efficiency.

In such a case, a system would appear to give out more energy than expected from the apparent input.

Surely that is logical?

In the past, it may have been thought that harnessing an anomaly or natural phenomena was not feasible, today, evidently that is not true.

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The sun can be thought of as radiant energy, the Osmotic power plant is harnessing its energy through the environment – the rain, rivers, sea. Most of the systems here on the earth are driven by the suns energy, the weather and the plants, and the species dependent on them. The earth is bathed in electromagnetic energy from the sun and has got its own magnetic field generator at its core.

There's atmospheric electricity and the earths voltage potential, they must primarily be charged from the suns energy. There is cosmic energy, miniscule here on earth and of course there is energy in a vacum, zero point energy, how much we don't know. Plus there's the electric universe theory and I'm sure there are more sources of energy like in the Schuman resonance, Van Allen belts, cosmic radiation in the vacum.

This is the radiant energy Tesla talked of harnessing, but he was right in more ways than one – Osmosis power plants and Tidal power show us there are many ways to attach our machinery to the wheelwork of nature and all its free energy. Plus if we used it more wisely it would be better.
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Yeah I want some of these threads on the front pages once the forum goes read only otherwise we might lose sight of this information.
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Yeah I want some of these threads on the front pages once the forum goes read only otherwise we might lose sight of this information.
What if someone else gets the same idea so they have to bury yours and then someone else does and someone else? It's instinctual so you have to try to control it or the entire herd tramples itself off the edge of the cliff.

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Yeah I want some of these threads on the front pages once the forum goes read only otherwise we might lose sight of this information.
Well there's really nothing new or important in osmosis or pump power ..

In theory both systems can deliver energy , but in practice the amount is so small compared to the massive amount of costly equipment it's all unworkable.
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What if someone else gets the same idea so they have to bury yours and then someone else does and someone else? It's instinctual so you have to try to control it or the entire herd tramples itself off the edge of the cliff.
Well I haven't just bumped my own threads, I've bumped the biggest threads in terms of views or replies so they don't get lost. I think it might also be worth copying some OP's over to the new forum to get that one going. Might suggest it in the new forum thread.
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Well there's really nothing new or important in osmosis or pump power ..

In theory both systems can deliver energy , but in practice the amount is so small compared to the massive amount of costly equipment it's all unworkable.
Well it seems to be working and the estimates are good.

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Statkraft Osmotic Power Plant, the First Osmotic Power Or Salinity Gradient Power Generation Plant

The plant generates renewable and emissions-free energy and thus contributes to eco-friendly power production.

It is estimated that the osmotic technology will produce 1,600TWh-1,700TWh a year, which is about 13 times the hydropower generated in Norway annually. Out of the total estimated osmotic power of 200TWh that is expected to be generated in Europe, 12TWh will be generated in Norway.

Link - https://www.power-technology.com/pro...kraft-osmotic/
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