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HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

by Fay Williams on Wednesday, August 18, 2010


The beginning is a referral. It can be annonymous or non existent but that will start the process off and the social workers will want to come round. Referrals are routinely made by any government establishment, schools, nurseries, libraries and can be for all sorts of small things. Often referrals are made by people you have asked to help you, like domestic violence help lines, child obesity help centres, counselling services, alcoholics annonymous etc. Every government agency has had Child Protection training to help them look out and record anything such as a child wearing old shoes or a child being quiet or disruptive.

They will tell you that they believe you and your child will benefit from being on a child protection plan and they will arrange a meeting. The child protection plan will aim to have you taken off the plan after you have been checked every couple of weeks, had a core assessment and had core meetings. A bunch of people you don't know will be there and they will have privately (without you being there) been told that you are a risk to your children.

Once the plan is agreed they will start calling the police to make daily spot checks. The police will comment on your demeanor - were you under the influence, crying, is your house tidy etc. They will come round several times a day to check. Eventually you will get annoyed with this and tell them to go away. They will then say you are not cooperation with professionals and are preventing safety checks so they will apply to the court for a care order.

At the first hearing you will be asked to sign a Consent Order to produce all your medical and criminal records, allow the Social services to speak to any professional about you or your children (including your bank manager or anyone they want) they will insist on the children staying with a foster carer a couple of nights a week to give you respite where they can have access to the children while you are not there. You will also have to consent to a psychological assessment. You will be told that if you don't consent then the judge will make an interim care order and you won't get your children back that day, they will be collected from their school or nursery immediately after the hearing and taken to stay with strangers. So you sign the Consent Order.

A few days later you will be back in court for another hearing. This time the court will order the children be taken into care as a precaution because they need to draw a line in the sand! Now they have got the Consent Order they can start digging into every aspect of your personal life. They will get healthcare records, school records, hospital and doctor records, old care records if you were ever in care. They will discard everything positive in the records and make a note of anything negative in their Statement to Support a Care Order. Alot of the things noted you will never have known about previously and will never have had a chance to challenge.

You will be offered a contested hearing and you will be told that you will get the Local authority statement for you to respond to in time for the hearing. While waiting for the hearing the foster carer will quiz the children on whether they have ever been punished by you or if they have ever felt unhappy or scared. The children will think hard and might come up with examples which will be noted down, notwithstanding that these examples may have been from years before and from the perspective of a very small child. eg. Yes, once my mum smacked me and my mum shouts at me sometimes. Once she told me she would cut my hair off if I get headlice, once I saw her cry etc. These will be noted in the foster carer's daily logs and given to the Local authority to be added to the evidence against you to support the claim that you emotionally abuse your children.

On the Friday before the Monday hearing you will be sent the statement from the Local Authority. There will be so many allegations pulled from all your records and you will be in utter shock because it will make you look like an atrocious parent. You won't be able to get legal advice before the hearing cause it's a weekend. You might try to write a statement in response but you are likely to be in a very distressed and nervous state, not know what is going on and in utter shock.

At the contested hearing they will say the threshold has been met and therefore only a change in circumstances will get your children out of care.

Once the Court has given you an ICO every 28 days you can oppose the renewal of the Interim Care Order. The ICO is normally renewed automatically by consent on the basis that your circumstances have not changed and therefore the threshold is still met.

The Judge rarely accepts any submitted change of circumstances as adequate and submitting changes of circumstances is one of their scams to get you to admit that there was something wrong that you need to change. This is normal practice although precedent says that the Judge has to test whether the threshold has been met every 28 days - this NEVER happens.
You are able to ask for a hearing every 28 days in which case to present your change in circumstances in opposition to the renewal but the Judge usually just asks you to write in and state what your changes are and then says that it is not enough to justify a hearing! Totally unlawful and illegal if you ask me but that's what happens. You can't appeal an interim Care Order usually because they only last 28 days and it takes longer than that to get to the appeal hearing so by the time you appeal the order has expired and your appeal will fail. I do believe though that you should be able to argue in your appeal that you should still be able to appeal an expired order because the future orders all depend on the threshold being met for the expired orders as the threshold is not freshly tested.

As the threshold is so low any child on this planet will pass it. Ie on the balance of probablity is the child at risk of emotional harm. Of course it is. We live life on Earth. It is an evil destructive place to live. Every child is at risk of emotional harm on the balance of probability. Especially where balance of probability means that any allegation made by a social worker will be fact unless you have evidence to prove it is not fact. How can you get evidence to prove your child will never suffer from emotional harm!!

So then they proceed towards a final hearing and send you to all sorts of dodgy corrupt psychologist who is guaranteed to say you are incapable of caring for your child. You will go because you don't know your rights and no one is explaining them to you.

You will at first have been offered contact with you children at a rate of 3 hours per week. At the contact your older children will be looking to you to tell them what is going on. You will try to tell them that you are fighting for them but you will be told by the supervisor that you are not allowed to discuss adult issues with the children and are not allowed to tell them anything about the proceedings or show any emotion. The contact sessions are for you to enjoy and if you don't get on and happily enjoy them then you will lose them. Your children will be totally distressed and pissed off and will want to know why you seem so emotionless and happy when they are stuck with strangers. Your younger children will scream uncontrollably whenever you leave after the hour and the supervisor will make allegations that you squeezed or pinched your younger child to make them cry. Then the Local Authority will reduce contact, at first because they haven't got any supervisors available.

They will reduce contact to 1 hour a week as soon as possible. This will have a devastating effect on the children and the children will start playing up. you and the children will be under so much pressure to enjoy that one hour a week that it will become impossible, especially when that one hour is the same day you have a court hearing, a solicitors appointment a meeting with the local authority or cafcass where you will be told even more false allegations and so you will go to contact feeling totally wound up and scared about what is happening to you and your children.

The LA will then apply for a S34.4 Order because you can't behave appropriately (like some CBBC presenter) in contact. They may make an allegation that you abused your child or the social worker because they know that on the balance of probability you are guilty unless you have evidence to prove your innocence and as it is their contact centre you won't have any evidence. they also won't let the children give evidence because this is considered to be emotionally abusing the children.

You will also be prevented from seeing the children because you have been telling the children you love them and miss them. If your children or you cried or showed emotion during contact this will also be considered to be emotionally harmful/neglectful to the children.

You may have shown elements of anger at the social worker in your tone of voice for lying and being abusive but this will show YOUR unstable mental state and therefore your risk to the children so you will be prevented from seeing the children at all by the S34.4.

While you were allowed contact the times of contact will have been determined by social services. The times are likely to be in the middle of the day during the week and never on weekends or bank holidays. If you normally worked or studied at those times before the children were taken you will have to give up your job or your studies because if you don't you will lose your children. the Local Authority will not arrange contact at your convenience. It is when they say or not at all.

Once you have lost your job and your income you may then lose your house, your car, get into serious debt and this will start allsorts of new problems. If you are lucky to keep your home you may find it difficult to live there because it will be so distressing to see all the children's toys, clothes and empty beds around you. You will miss your children terribly and feel an overbearing sense of loss.

You will become depressed and you won't want to associate with your old friends because they all have children and they just want to go to the park and do child orientated things which you will now find heartbreaking, without your children. People that didn't know you will have labeled you as a child abuser and won't be able to look at you or talk to you. Neighbours will think you are trouble because they will remember the police always coming round your house shortly before your children were taken. Your family will have turned against you because the Local Authority will have contacted them in their duty to consider family and made many unfounded allegations against you and presented them with their statement showing you are an atrocious parent.

You may have by this time got so depressed and distressed that you have either gone to the doctor for some mind numbing drugs or maybe you will turn to alcohol. You will feel isolated, a failure, empty, depressed and you will be desperately missing your children.

The the Psychologist appointment you agreed to will come through and you will be Psychologically examined. The psychologist will ask you allsorts of questions based on the information provided by the Local Authority and the Guardian. You may show that you are upset about all the false allegations. You might say you think you were treated unfairly. You might cry. Whatever you do the Psychologist will say you have no insight and you are emotionally unstable and recommend that your children are found a permanent placement.

Then there will be a final hearing. Anything that has happened over the previous 9 months or so will be added to the social services statement to show that you are unable to care for your children. They will then make a final care order.

Once they have a final care order you can only apply to have it discharged on the same impossible change of circumstances every 6 months. But as soon as they get the Care Order they will start adoption proceedings. (the children may have been with prospective adoptive parents under the interim care order as a foster adopter) The children need to be placed for I think 10 weeks before the LA apply for an adoption Order. You can oppose a placement order and an adoption order on a change of circumstances but the change does not need to be significant. However the Judge will ultimately say that the welfare of the child is their priority and go through the welfare checklist. They will always find that it is not in the child's interest to be returned.

The LA and guardian will have written a report saying the children have settled with the adoptive family and praise the adoptive family as if they are perfect people from another planet and at the same time they will say that the children have lost their bond with you and repeat all the allegations they made of you. Some of these allegations you will have admitted to under duress because they will have told you 'If you admit to this you can have your children back, or if you admit to this you can see your children'. These allegations will all be fact now because you didn't have the evidence to disprove them and then they will arrange a goodbye contact with clowns and balloons and you will wave goodbye to your children forever, and you will never know what happened to them. Many of these children will then be trafficked to paedophile rings and used in medical experiments.

So that's a summary of how it all works. Your job is to stop it!! Don't expect your solicitor to stop it. Your solicitor will always tell you this is normal practice and you don't have grounds for appeal and you won't get legal funding to appeal. You solicitor will always be too busy to make any enquiries and will take a week or more to get back to you.

If you tell your solicitor that you expect them to fight for you because you need justice and there must be something wrong with what they are doing because you love your children, they were healthy, happy, thriving in your care. They were top of their class. Their first health assessment said they were perfect in every way. You solicitor will say you are being unreasonable and will write to the court to come off the court record and discharge your legal aid certificate. Leaving you to fight this horribly unjust system on your own.



Feel free to copy and paste the contents of this note to your MP and change it if it doesn't exactly match your circumstances, but most likely your circumstances will be very similar. They follow a child snatching protocol and I have outlined it here.

I am sending this to every MP in Britain, the Daily Mail, The Sun, the Telegraph, the Law Commission, LJ Wall, UK Colmn, The Queen, Who else do you think might be interested? I don't want to miss anyone out. I think it might be a good idea to send it to our courts too.
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I am sending this to every MP in Britain, the Daily Mail, The Sun, the Telegraph, the Law Commission, LJ Wall, UK Colmn, The Queen, Who else do you think might be interested? I don't want to miss anyone out. I think it might be a good idea to send it to our courts too.
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HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

by Fay Williams on Wednesday, August 18, 2010


The beginning is a referral. It can be annonymous or non existent but that will start the process off and the social workers will want to come round. Referrals are routinely made by any government establishment, schools, nurseries, libraries and can be for all sorts of small things. Often referrals are made by people you have asked to help you, like domestic violence help lines, child obesity help centres, counselling services, alcoholics annonymous etc. Every government agency has had Child Protection training to help them look out and record anything such as a child wearing old shoes or a child being quiet or disruptive.

They will tell you that they believe you and your child will benefit from being on a child protection plan and they will arrange a meeting. The child protection plan will aim to have you taken off the plan after you have been checked every couple of weeks, had a core assessment and had core meetings. A bunch of people you don't know will be there and they will have privately (without you being there) been told that you are a risk to your children.

Once the plan is agreed they will start calling the police to make daily spot checks. The police will comment on your demeanor - were you under the influence, crying, is your house tidy etc. They will come round several times a day to check. Eventually you will get annoyed with this and tell them to go away. They will then say you are not cooperation with professionals and are preventing safety checks so they will apply to the court for a care order.

At the first hearing you will be asked to sign a Consent Order to produce all your medical and criminal records, allow the Social services to speak to any professional about you or your children (including your bank manager or anyone they want) they will insist on the children staying with a foster carer a couple of nights a week to give you respite where they can have access to the children while you are not there. You will also have to consent to a psychological assessment. You will be told that if you don't consent then the judge will make an interim care order and you won't get your children back that day, they will be collected from their school or nursery immediately after the hearing and taken to stay with strangers. So you sign the Consent Order.

A few days later you will be back in court for another hearing. This time the court will order the children be taken into care as a precaution because they need to draw a line in the sand! Now they have got the Consent Order they can start digging into every aspect of your personal life. They will get healthcare records, school records, hospital and doctor records, old care records if you were ever in care. They will discard everything positive in the records and make a note of anything negative in their Statement to Support a Care Order. Alot of the things noted you will never have known about previously and will never have had a chance to challenge.

You will be offered a contested hearing and you will be told that you will get the Local authority statement for you to respond to in time for the hearing. While waiting for the hearing the foster carer will quiz the children on whether they have ever been punished by you or if they have ever felt unhappy or scared. The children will think hard and might come up with examples which will be noted down, notwithstanding that these examples may have been from years before and from the perspective of a very small child. eg. Yes, once my mum smacked me and my mum shouts at me sometimes. Once she told me she would cut my hair off if I get headlice, once I saw her cry etc. These will be noted in the foster carer's daily logs and given to the Local authority to be added to the evidence against you to support the claim that you emotionally abuse your children.

On the Friday before the Monday hearing you will be sent the statement from the Local Authority. There will be so many allegations pulled from all your records and you will be in utter shock because it will make you look like an atrocious parent. You won't be able to get legal advice before the hearing cause it's a weekend. You might try to write a statement in response but you are likely to be in a very distressed and nervous state, not know what is going on and in utter shock.

At the contested hearing they will say the threshold has been met and therefore only a change in circumstances will get your children out of care.

Once the Court has given you an ICO every 28 days you can oppose the renewal of the Interim Care Order. The ICO is normally renewed automatically by consent on the basis that your circumstances have not changed and therefore the threshold is still met.

The Judge rarely accepts any submitted change of circumstances as adequate and submitting changes of circumstances is one of their scams to get you to admit that there was something wrong that you need to change. This is normal practice although precedent says that the Judge has to test whether the threshold has been met every 28 days - this NEVER happens.
You are able to ask for a hearing every 28 days in which case to present your change in circumstances in opposition to the renewal but the Judge usually just asks you to write in and state what your changes are and then says that it is not enough to justify a hearing! Totally unlawful and illegal if you ask me but that's what happens. You can't appeal an interim Care Order usually because they only last 28 days and it takes longer than that to get to the appeal hearing so by the time you appeal the order has expired and your appeal will fail. I do believe though that you should be able to argue in your appeal that you should still be able to appeal an expired order because the future orders all depend on the threshold being met for the expired orders as the threshold is not freshly tested.

As the threshold is so low any child on this planet will pass it. Ie on the balance of probablity is the child at risk of emotional harm. Of course it is. We live life on Earth. It is an evil destructive place to live. Every child is at risk of emotional harm on the balance of probability. Especially where balance of probability means that any allegation made by a social worker will be fact unless you have evidence to prove it is not fact. How can you get evidence to prove your child will never suffer from emotional harm!!

So then they proceed towards a final hearing and send you to all sorts of dodgy corrupt psychologist who is guaranteed to say you are incapable of caring for your child. You will go because you don't know your rights and no one is explaining them to you.

You will at first have been offered contact with you children at a rate of 3 hours per week. At the contact your older children will be looking to you to tell them what is going on. You will try to tell them that you are fighting for them but you will be told by the supervisor that you are not allowed to discuss adult issues with the children and are not allowed to tell them anything about the proceedings or show any emotion. The contact sessions are for you to enjoy and if you don't get on and happily enjoy them then you will lose them. Your children will be totally distressed and pissed off and will want to know why you seem so emotionless and happy when they are stuck with strangers. Your younger children will scream uncontrollably whenever you leave after the hour and the supervisor will make allegations that you squeezed or pinched your younger child to make them cry. Then the Local Authority will reduce contact, at first because they haven't got any supervisors available.

They will reduce contact to 1 hour a week as soon as possible. This will have a devastating effect on the children and the children will start playing up. you and the children will be under so much pressure to enjoy that one hour a week that it will become impossible, especially when that one hour is the same day you have a court hearing, a solicitors appointment a meeting with the local authority or cafcass where you will be told even more false allegations and so you will go to contact feeling totally wound up and scared about what is happening to you and your children.

The LA will then apply for a S34.4 Order because you can't behave appropriately (like some CBBC presenter) in contact. They may make an allegation that you abused your child or the social worker because they know that on the balance of probability you are guilty unless you have evidence to prove your innocence and as it is their contact centre you won't have any evidence. they also won't let the children give evidence because this is considered to be emotionally abusing the children.

You will also be prevented from seeing the children because you have been telling the children you love them and miss them. If your children or you cried or showed emotion during contact this will also be considered to be emotionally harmful/neglectful to the children.

You may have shown elements of anger at the social worker in your tone of voice for lying and being abusive but this will show YOUR unstable mental state and therefore your risk to the children so you will be prevented from seeing the children at all by the S34.4.

While you were allowed contact the times of contact will have been determined by social services. The times are likely to be in the middle of the day during the week and never on weekends or bank holidays. If you normally worked or studied at those times before the children were taken you will have to give up your job or your studies because if you don't you will lose your children. the Local Authority will not arrange contact at your convenience. It is when they say or not at all.

Once you have lost your job and your income you may then lose your house, your car, get into serious debt and this will start allsorts of new problems. If you are lucky to keep your home you may find it difficult to live there because it will be so distressing to see all the children's toys, clothes and empty beds around you. You will miss your children terribly and feel an overbearing sense of loss.

You will become depressed and you won't want to associate with your old friends because they all have children and they just want to go to the park and do child orientated things which you will now find heartbreaking, without your children. People that didn't know you will have labeled you as a child abuser and won't be able to look at you or talk to you. Neighbours will think you are trouble because they will remember the police always coming round your house shortly before your children were taken. Your family will have turned against you because the Local Authority will have contacted them in their duty to consider family and made many unfounded allegations against you and presented them with their statement showing you are an atrocious parent.

You may have by this time got so depressed and distressed that you have either gone to the doctor for some mind numbing drugs or maybe you will turn to alcohol. You will feel isolated, a failure, empty, depressed and you will be desperately missing your children.

The the Psychologist appointment you agreed to will come through and you will be Psychologically examined. The psychologist will ask you allsorts of questions based on the information provided by the Local Authority and the Guardian. You may show that you are upset about all the false allegations. You might say you think you were treated unfairly. You might cry. Whatever you do the Psychologist will say you have no insight and you are emotionally unstable and recommend that your children are found a permanent placement.

Then there will be a final hearing. Anything that has happened over the previous 9 months or so will be added to the social services statement to show that you are unable to care for your children. They will then make a final care order.

Once they have a final care order you can only apply to have it discharged on the same impossible change of circumstances every 6 months. But as soon as they get the Care Order they will start adoption proceedings. (the children may have been with prospective adoptive parents under the interim care order as a foster adopter) The children need to be placed for I think 10 weeks before the LA apply for an adoption Order. You can oppose a placement order and an adoption order on a change of circumstances but the change does not need to be significant. However the Judge will ultimately say that the welfare of the child is their priority and go through the welfare checklist. They will always find that it is not in the child's interest to be returned.

The LA and guardian will have written a report saying the children have settled with the adoptive family and praise the adoptive family as if they are perfect people from another planet and at the same time they will say that the children have lost their bond with you and repeat all the allegations they made of you. Some of these allegations you will have admitted to under duress because they will have told you 'If you admit to this you can have your children back, or if you admit to this you can see your children'. These allegations will all be fact now because you didn't have the evidence to disprove them and then they will arrange a goodbye contact with clowns and balloons and you will wave goodbye to your children forever, and you will never know what happened to them. Many of these children will then be trafficked to paedophile rings and used in medical experiments.

So that's a summary of how it all works. Your job is to stop it!! Don't expect your solicitor to stop it. Your solicitor will always tell you this is normal practice and you don't have grounds for appeal and you won't get legal funding to appeal. You solicitor will always be too busy to make any enquiries and will take a week or more to get back to you.

If you tell your solicitor that you expect them to fight for you because you need justice and there must be something wrong with what they are doing because you love your children, they were healthy, happy, thriving in your care. They were top of their class. Their first health assessment said they were perfect in every way. You solicitor will say you are being unreasonable and will write to the court to come off the court record and discharge your legal aid certificate. Leaving you to fight this horribly unjust system on your own.



Feel free to copy and paste the contents of this note to your MP and change it if it doesn't exactly match your circumstances, but most likely your circumstances will be very similar. They follow a child snatching protocol and I have outlined it here.

I am sending this to every MP in Britain, the Daily Mail, The Sun, the Telegraph, the Law Commission, LJ Wall, UK Colmn, The Queen, Who else do you think might be interested? I don't want to miss anyone out. I think it might be a good idea to send it to our courts too.
Sounds about right MS hope

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Nice to see a thread filled with positive posts

Adding my support to this thread.

Just started a new thread about Americans not supporting a war in Iran, i think this is very important right now, we are right on the edge, a big war could really mess things up (understatement i know). If the american remove their support a war won't happen.
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Yes David is correct it is our compliance that gives TPTB all their power. General Patton was once asked why Hitler had so much power, his answer was
"the Clerks and bureaucrats held all the power".

When I was in the Army (drafted) I found a way to totally confound them, I did not comply!!!!!!!! When they gave me a detail of painting the inside of the barracks the instructions were to paint the floor and walls up to the light switches green, paint a black line down the middle of the floor and white above the light switches. I got it wrong.!

I painted the floor white, above the light switch black and green line down the middle of it.

The Sargent went crazy, cost me a small fine, but he never put me in charge of detail again.

I have lived my life that way for 57 years, I do not comply with TPTB.
If there were more who did not comply the monster would die, you are the ones who keep it alive. Just like Hitler and his clerks and bureaucrats, today we are all clerks an bureaucrats. Stop and think about it, once you stop complying the beast cannot survive.

Start small, like last year on a piece of property that I owned the county wanted to know how much money I spent building a small house. It came in the mail very very official looking form warning me that under the penalty of perjury that I needed to answer all the questions.

I answered them this way " I RESERVE ALL RIGHTS. if you want to know that you'll have to figure it out on your own, I can offer no help".

Shortly there after I got a tax bill, less the house I built. Look them in the eye and tell them you are a free person, most of your fear is your conditioning, over come it!!!


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It's so hard to get it through to people what's going on and the amount of people who comply hugely outnumber the non-conformers.
Here's an interesting article which outlines compliance and how people come to complying.

Source - http://shoutwire.com/comments/436039..._Kill_Religion
A child's toy lies discarded. The child has already experienced many fun filled hours with it, but the cheap Chinese plastic has long since lost it's allure. Suddenly, it is rediscovered by a playmate. Freed from it's immobility the toy is once again reanimated by imagination. The toys owner sits to the side watching, a swirl of uncontained and uncontrolled emotion buzzing through it's undeveloped mind. The toy belongs to him surely, and the playmate has taken it from him. With trembling voices the duo fight over the toy, scratching, crying, and clinging over the once forgotten object. If Chinese plastic could talk, I wonder what it would think about it's change in fortune?

It is phenomena like this that has made me wonder what exactly makes something worth fighting for? As humans, we place value on everything we see. Mostly, these values are derived not from what we believe it may be worth, but what our society tells us it is worth. Children fight over toys all the time, and yet place little value on them when alone.

In this skit, it was the playmates interest, and his perceived desire for ownership that readjusted the value of the toy. Much like a supermodel wearing a dress, or a celebrity driving a car, or any billboard or advertisement ever conceived, it is not you that gives it value, but somebody else.

A billboard only goes so far though. The greatest endorsement man can ever give to an object is a willingness to fight for it. After all, our own bodies are our sole possession of greatest worth. How much could something be worth if you and I were fighting over it? How much value would be given to something if I died for it?

Value is a collective concept. Society agrees that money has value, and so it does. Those children agreed that the toy had value, and so it did. It is our liquid concept of value that the phenomena of polarisation comes into play, and has much larger ramifications on our world stage than a child's spat over a toy.

Polarisation is the reason why Australia is a multicultural oxymoron, why the Jews survived 2000 years in exile, and why Muslims are willing to blow themselves up. I'll explain all three if you are willing.

Australia's demographic is as varied as it is homogenised. If that sentence doesn't make sense, then allow me to expand. In the 2006 census the number of people that nominated Australia as their place of ancestry was 37%, the highest ranked. The rest was a mix of European and Asian nationalities. Immigration makes up the majority of our population growth and yet there is little sign of cultural diversity on the street. Second generation immigrants speak with an Australian accent and have adopted western values without reservation regardless of the colour of their skin or the shape of their eyes. The traditions and lifestyle that their families possessed a just few years back are dropped by the wayside as they hungrily embrace their new culture. Ironically Australia gives every indication of wanting a multicultural Australia. Our education curriculum promotes cultural tolerance, and places high importance on family traditions and values. People here generally don't care where you are from, and therein lies the explanation. By promoting a state of tolerance, we have engendered a 'who cares' mentality towards race, nationality, and religion. Without confrontation, we deprive foreign cultures of value. If our society is not willing to act against it, then it obviously has no power or worth. If our society ignores it, then much like the forgotten toy it has no value. A Chinese national may have been indoctrinated under communist china, with family values underpinned by Buddhism and speak not a word of English when he came to Australia, but his kids are just as Australian as a descendant of the first fleet. By promoting a multicultural Australia we have actually ensured that it never happens. It is only when a culture is not welcomed, and emphasis is placed on rejection rather than acceptance, is such a culture prone to survival. Some cultures can survive a very long time indeed.

I have heard it said with begrudging respect that Jews were able to survive 2000 years in exile, despite being persecuted throughout their entire history. I am more inclined to believe the opposite, that being persecuted was actually the reason for their continued survival. Ever since the Roman days, the European nations have never gotten on with the Jews. From the destruction of the temple by the Romans, to the mass forced conversions carried out by the Spanish, to the deportation of Jews from England, to the more recent holocaust, the Europeans have been polarising themselves against the Jews. This polarisation gave value to the Jewish culture. If all nations of the world were arrayed against you, you too would cling onto what you are, and by default, what they aren't. The Jews survived by being everything the Europeans weren't, because their hosts wouldn't accept them.

It is this very nature of polarisation that allowed the rise of early Christianity. The violence and fierce control wielded by the Roman Empire allowed Christianity to be the answer to Rome's violence. Christians died in the colosseum not because they wanted to live their life the way some carpenter asked them to, but because they sure as hell didn't want to live like Rome wanted them to. When Rome decided that Christians were an enemy of the state, they also said, by default, that Christianity was worth dying for. Such a sentiment is strangely reminiscent of the western world’s relationship with Islam, and is also the reason why Muslims will blow themselves up.

The west will never beat Islam. Religion simply doesn't work like that. Much like the might of the Roman Empire against Christianity, the 'Coalition of the Willing' isn't killing believers, as much as they are creating martyrs. The US has given the fundamentalist Muslims something they never had before, a cause to die for. Much like the Jews did, the Muslim's can now polarise themselves against west in a way they never before could. Islam can now be the answer to everything wrong with the west. The west has truly drawn a line in the sand. Islam is now something that is worth killing and dying for, which sadly happens on a daily basis. That cannot be said for Christianity anymore.

Christianity has declined more in the past few decades than in the whole of the previous millennium, yet it has had no active enemy. Christians are free to worship as they choose, and yet are doing less and less than ever before. The have not had the weight of the world set against them, telling them that their religion is backward, evil, and needs to be renounced. For the most part, Christians are ignored.

It comes back to Australian multicultural oxymoron. It seems that the intrinsic value of the culture needs to be compromised, and to do that requires society’s acceptance. The way to kill a religion isn't to fight it. Rather, it needs to be ignored. A culture will be dropped, so long as people don't care.

The phenomenon is beautiful in its irony. A way of life is discarded, not when it is promoted or when it is condemned.

It dies when there is no one left that cares either way.
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HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Feel free to copy and paste the contents of this note to your MP and change it if it doesn't exactly match your circumstances, but most likely your circumstances will be very similar. They follow a child snatching protocol and I have outlined it here.

I am sending this to every MP in Britain, the Daily Mail, The Sun, the Telegraph, the Law Commission, LJ Wall, UK Colmn, The Queen, Who else do you think might be interested? I don't want to miss anyone out. I think it might be a good idea to send it to our courts too.
Do you think that every child that is taken away comes from a loving family? Love can be shown in some very odd ways. What do you think the government have to gain from 'stealing' children from their families? Are these children taken and made to work down the mines or do the government use them for experimental purposes, or slave trade? What actually is the purpose or the gain from taking perfectly happy normal children away from loving families? What about all those children who have died at the hands of their loving family because Social Services did not act? Come on, strike a balance. I wouldn't send your letter to anyone unless you have heaps of evidence of individual cases where this has happened.

A child snatching protocol - what planet do you live on? Social Services have guidelines to follow if they consider a child is in danger - if the family have done no wrong or have not brought any kind of attention to themselves like not registering a birth etc - then where mistakes are made are a few isolated cases in the 1000s that have been for the benefit of the child.
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I guess the question has to be asked "Why aren't we in control?".

Seems to me if people don't want fluoride in the water they can elect a new mayor and town council. If they don't want the school board to act as it does they can elect a new one. I suspect we don't know how to run for office and aren't really ready to stand up when it may mean real consequences. A mayor can initiate a newsletter and website and educate the community. Just running on a platform of exposing and opposing key issues will help to elevate the community. If a person ran for mayor on a ticket of opposing property tax and traffic tickets do you think the community might rally around them or at least take notice?

Seems that sovereignty is also important here. If you don't want "Family Services" type of government control over the child then establish their sovereignty. In the uSA, home schooling statistically produces superior skilled adults.
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There was a great interview with David Icke on the Alex Jones show this week. Here's the link to Part one:
Talking about non-compliance. I can't remember which video number it was on but its worth listening to all 8.

We haven't got to leave it all to the Freeman movement. All of us have got to get off our butts and start to be leaders. We are a minority who have woken up to what is going on...so if we don't actually do something then how are the unawake majority going to get the message. If we don't get out there and stop complying with the system...who else is going to do it?

There's all sorts of groups trying to help us get out of this control matrix.I know most of you are up to speed on the Freeman movement but check out "Tax Free 15" and "United We Strike" too. I was just put onto them this month...simple idea... and they are great for people who can't jump totally out of the system.

Its so important to store food and have a top of the range clean water system. How long do you think it would take to clear the supermarket shelves if there was disruption, strikes or problems by design? A day?

If you don't have a decent supply of storable food then you really need to look into it now. It is the number one tool that the system can use to make us comply
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Do you think that every child that is taken away comes from a loving family? Love can be shown in some very odd ways. What do you think the government have to gain from 'stealing' children from their families? Are these children taken and made to work down the mines or do the government use them for experimental purposes, or slave trade? What actually is the purpose or the gain from taking perfectly happy normal children away from loving families? What about all those children who have died at the hands of their loving family because Social Services did not act? Come on, strike a balance. I wouldn't send your letter to anyone unless you have heaps of evidence of individual cases where this has happened.

A child snatching protocol - what planet do you live on? Social Services have guidelines to follow if they consider a child is in danger - if the family have done no wrong or have not brought any kind of attention to themselves like not registering a birth etc - then where mistakes are made are a few isolated cases in the 1000s that have been for the benefit of the child.

Okay everybody, please KNOW that this IPSO twit is an illuminasty shill. He knows that Child Snatching Protocol is the CORRECT term for what is happening. Its becoming obvious, if one is awake to the trends, and one cares about kids and has their own or friend and loved ones who are parents, that the Child "protection" services are fucking families over, and taking many many kids that are quite okay with their parents. Ipso, however, would rather uphold the bureaucratic bullshit that "all is well" and not to worry, the state is not really trafficking in children folks, move along, nothing to see here. Hold the line, illuminasties!!!!! wtf they do with those kids is anybodies guess, but ......
heres the tthing... its just white kids. Blue eyed, or pale eyed, good looking white kids. This is who the paedos want to fuck/hurt and SELL. they sell them to the arabs or the rich Asians, and ... you dont want to know. However, if you are black (and no, im NOT A RACIST. IM telling it how it is. At this point, after what fucking white CPS agents are doing, id rather be a black woman) and even better if you are black and ugly, you could put your ciggies out on your kids and the Child Protectors still wont get called on you by anybody squealing. According to those who profit from slavery of children, selling kiddies to whoever wants them, black just doesnt sell as well in the paedo rings... or the adoptive parents wont shell out for them.
So, Ipso, you pompous fkwtt, please know that people aren't as stupid as you hope. Luckily. You can bluster and try to make people feel stupid for believing something, but in the end it wont slow the tide of the truth.
Also,l i want to know, what you do as a day job Ipso... are you a cop, or are you a lawyer? Tell us why you so vehemently protect your nasty masters and their REVOLTING status quo?
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Do you think that every child that is taken away comes from a loving family? Love can be shown in some very odd ways. What do you think the government have to gain from 'stealing' children from their families? Are these children taken and made to work down the mines or do the government use them for experimental purposes, or slave trade? What actually is the purpose or the gain from taking perfectly happy normal children away from loving families? What about all those children who have died at the hands of their loving family because Social Services did not act? Come on, strike a balance. I wouldn't send your letter to anyone unless you have heaps of evidence of individual cases where this has happened.

A child snatching protocol - what planet do you live on? Social Services have guidelines to follow if they consider a child is in danger - if the family have done no wrong or have not brought any kind of attention to themselves like not registering a birth etc - then where mistakes are made are a few isolated cases in the 1000s that have been for the benefit of the child.


Oh and dear readers... Ipso has announced his true identity in his avatar there, note the duality colours, the top hat... its illuminasty all the way. And he has also specified that NOT REGISTERING your children is the way to get that negative attention from the vile powers that be.... when in truth, if you dont REGIS-ter your precious baby, the powers that be have no contractual rights to it. However, if you register, that child is technically a package, if you will, whose parents have given up ownership of... came down the BERTH (where you park a ship) canal (another admiralty term) and wasnt picked up by anyone, so the state gets to take control of it.... they let you raise it and pay for it though - and retain teh right to intervene if they think youre doing it wrong.... so when you register youre basically giving up all right to say its yours, and that you will have the last say in how it will be treated.... and yknow, its perfectly lawful not to register a child... how i wish i had known that before, like a gazillion sheep before me, i signed my right to parent away to an uncaring and corrupt state.
Wake up people... IPSO is paid to argue the cause for the state and uphold the fantasy that the state has our best interests, and those of our children at heart.. the state does not give a rats ass, about caring or love of children. WEre just packages to them, human resources that they use to float their financial boat with our labour, our energy, and our lives.
DONT REGISTER YOUR BABIES.
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Oh and dear readers... Ipso has announced his true identity in his avatar there, note the duality colours, the top hat... its illuminasty all the way. And he has also specified that NOT REGISTERING your children is the way to get that negative attention from the vile powers that be.... when in truth, if you dont REGIS-ter your precious baby, the powers that be have no contractual rights to it. However, if you register, that child is technically a package, if you will, whose parents have given up ownership of... came down the BERTH (where you park a ship) canal (another admiralty term) and wasnt picked up by anyone, so the state gets to take control of it.... they let you raise it and pay for it though - and retain teh right to intervene if they think youre doing it wrong.... so when you register youre basically giving up all right to say its yours, and that you will have the last say in how it will be treated.... and yknow, its perfectly lawful not to register a child... how i wish i had known that before, like a gazillion sheep before me, i signed my right to parent away to an uncaring and corrupt state.
Wake up people... IPSO is paid to argue the cause for the state and uphold the fantasy that the state has our best interests, and those of our children at heart.. the state does not give a rats ass, about caring or love of children. WEre just packages to them, human resources that they use to float their financial boat with our labour, our energy, and our lives.
DONT REGISTER YOUR BABIES.
Love, Jill
Agreed agreed agreed. I thought the same thing about ipso and others that spend all day trolling on this site..
It's so refreshing and good to see that there are people that aren't falling for these ploys.
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[QUOTE"ipso facto"]Are these children taken and made to work down the mines or do the government use them for experimental purposes, or slave trade? [QUOTE]

Why yes, I believe they are aren't they?
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Do you think that every child that is taken away comes from a loving family? Love can be shown in some very odd ways. What do you think the government have to gain from 'stealing' children from their families? Are these children taken and made to work down the mines or do the government use them for experimental purposes, or slave trade? What actually is the purpose or the gain from taking perfectly happy normal children away from loving families? What about all those children who have died at the hands of their loving family because Social Services did not act? Come on, strike a balance. I wouldn't send your letter to anyone unless you have heaps of evidence of individual cases where this has happened.

A child snatching protocol - what planet do you live on? Social Services have guidelines to follow if they consider a child is in danger - if the family have done no wrong or have not brought any kind of attention to themselves like not registering a birth etc - then where mistakes are made are a few isolated cases in the 1000s that have been for the benefit of the child.
I read the first sentence of your logic and it is on that premise that the whole thing continues unabated because of course we wouldn't want or need to steal children from loving families would we? Fact. They do but of course not to everyone. Fact. I'm sorry to say it but the Royal family are indeed sexually raping, murdering and abusing children. Those that survive have dared to tell the tale. They stories all correlate and it isn't all on the internet. What motive can adult children have across the world to lie. Why they leave them alive is anyone's guess but I rather suspect they got off the fact that we know it and that most sheep say; 'look I'd rather not hear about this; there's nothing I can do about it'. If your religion gets it's rocks off on power and humiliation there can be no greater humiliation to the victims and the 'fighters' for the victims than that type of callous, pathetic remark. Unfortunately it is the way the majority think and this is why they select a few hundred thousand a year. A snip in a global population of 9 billion to kill, rape, torture and abuse.

Thank you Ms Hope, David and of course the inspirational Bill Maloney who gets up off his goonas and confronts these animals. Yes I was honoured to have met David and with the likes of some of the contributors to this thread I think the legacy will be in safe hands.
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I am telling people about forming collectives to get of the mortgages but the apathy is staggering.
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non compliance IS the key, solution.

if we remove our support for THE system we then can start to dictate HOW the system is run.

REMOVE YOUR SUPPORT WHERE EVER YOU CAN FROM THE PARTS OF THE SYSTEM 'YOU' DON'T AGREE WITH OR SEE AS WRONG.

TOGETHER 'WE' HAVE THE POWER
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Do you think that every child that is taken away comes from a loving family? Love can be shown in some very odd ways. What do you think the government have to gain from 'stealing' children from their families? Are these children taken and made to work down the mines or do the government use them for experimental purposes, or slave trade? What actually is the purpose or the gain from taking perfectly happy normal children away from loving families? What about all those children who have died at the hands of their loving family because Social Services did not act? Come on, strike a balance. I wouldn't send your letter to anyone unless you have heaps of evidence of individual cases where this has happened.

A child snatching protocol - what planet do you live on? Social Services have guidelines to follow if they consider a child is in danger - if the family have done no wrong or have not brought any kind of attention to themselves like not registering a birth etc - then where mistakes are made are a few isolated cases in the 1000s that have been for the benefit of the child.
I am one person this has happened to and I happen to know many more. IN fact Nancy Schaeffer was killed for exposing what CPS is doing to children and families.
There are many reasons why, but the fact remains that they take children at gunpoint without investigations after breaking in to peoples homes all the time.
They did it to me LIVE on my radio show. I guess that's what I get for not shutting up and for not complying with their system and for not taking their drugs and poisons and drinking their explosives, growing our own food and homeschooling...
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If you like I can give you many more examples...
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I think it's time for people to take note before it happens to you.
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You wanna see the number of replies to my 'No consensus so no census' thread on General . Makes yours look busy!
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Alot of sense spoken by those above, I'd like to recount something I saw personally just after my first child was born in hospital, it's a bit of a yarn, but at the time illustrated to me the insidious methoids used by the SS (social services) to manipulate those who might be watching (read as witnesses) through possibly some subtle NLP and at the same time doing their job in "protecting" a child.

It was back in 2001, my wife at the time had just given birth to our daughter. During the time I had arranged things so I was inbetween contracts and could spend time with her and bonding, and the following took place in the Maternity ward of a london hospital.

During my first visit, I was talking to my wife, and noticed that the girl in the opposite bed had also a newborn in her arms. She was very happy, as many new mums are. I gave her a smile and congratulated her, she returned the smile and thanked me, telling me it's her first and she's very proud. I noticed though, her boyfriend didn't seem to be interested, he was sat there doing a crossword, essentially ignoring her and pretty detached from the rest of the world. After a few hours two women turned up, one with a briefcase and the other with a laptop. They pulled closed the curtains and began to talk in hushed tones.

Being somewhat nosey, I tuned into what was being said, the mood was initially concillatory but authoratitive, they were using "government speak" quoting dates, times and places. Then i heard one of the women say, in a very intimadatory and official voice "We have decided to take the child into care for her own protection, now Elaine (changed) please alow us to do our job and protect the Childs interests" - I noted that although the little girl had a name, she was referred to throughout as "the child", possibly to try and distance the mothers feelings from her, but to me was sinister in its application.

Understandably things then got a bit emotional. The girl started to flap and really lose it. she was howling and hysterical, the women meanwhile were essentially pairing up on her, one distracting, holding her hand telling her it'll be alright (I can't say,but it was the hand with the IV canula, whether or not anything was administered I cannot say, although my wife told me the girl seemed spaced out later that day, either through shock or whatever.) while the other moved toward Elaine to take the baby from her arms.
She started screaming for help, the boyfriend simply kept out of the way, apathetic or stupid, i'm not sure, so I felt it was my duty to step in, As the curtains had a space, I put myself in the gap and asked the women what they thought they were doing. As the voices and emotions were being raised, the language became more "official".
One of the girls said "Elaine, be reasonable, your baby is at risk and we don't want her to be harmed, you're a fragile person Elaine and we're helping you, and your crying is upsetting everyone else in the ward, so please stop".
I asked Elaine if she was ok and if she needed help, " she looked at me as any woman having her baby ripped from her would, with fear.
I was told it was none of my business and to keep out of it, as interfering would get me arrested. I looked the girl in the eye and said "not by fucking you I won't be, and it's upsetting me and my wife, so I'm telling you in the interests of the safety of the families here to stop , and by the way, I also know the laws on reasonable force, which, incidentally , you're breaking".
She then told me that "I'm not at liberty to comment upon peoples personal situations, as doing so would breach confidentiality, however, we need to take a child into care and if you try to stop us, you will be arrested for obstruction" - this obviously got my back up, but I replied "yes, but you are restraining a woman in a hospital bed by pressing her throat and arms, so any injuries she might sustain as a result of you doing so could be construed as unreasonable force, by the witnesses that are here - and in the eyes of the law I am allowed to use reasonable force to protect my own life or that of another".

Now at this point I was in the dark, simply trying to tackle her with my own bullshit, in the hope that it might help.
By this time several nurses and a security guard had appeared, the guard was actually very sympathetic, probably cos he'd seen this before and didn't have alot of time for the women. I decided at this point to keep my mouth shut, but let them also know I'm a witness.
Later on,my wife had a visit from one of the women and asked after me, what my job was (already had our names and address but it doesn't matter cos I've changed them both since!) where I had been working, and other questions "for our records". My wife, being pretty switched on simply smiled and fed them utter bullshit. She was also told that although emotions were heated, the threats of arrest would not be followed through, but we should be aware that we were not "appraised of the big picture, and social services operate for the benefit of individuals at risk".

I spoke with Elaine at length a day later, she weas still in hospital and in maternity (I'd say that was tantamount to psychological torture but there you go), her baby daughter had been taken into care and she would never be allowed to see her. The reason? - get this, she had previous for drugs but had been clean for 3 years, but her boyfriend had previous for drugs, ABH and a list of other miscellany as well as a sexual offence, so as she was living with him, the baby was deemed at risk. Ironic because she fucked him off the following week.

Thats a fist hand example of how they manipulate, destroy and coerce people into believeing their twisted sense of good. I've never forgotten Elaine, or what she went through. I've also never forgotten her boyfriend, but will in time but I promise I'll never forget the two examples of human filth that took a baby from a mother, and if I'm ever in the same situation as Elaine's boyfriend, my actions would be far, far different.

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