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Jewish Religions and The Prospect of Dissent

December 31, 2015 / Gilad Atzmon

By Gilad Atzmon

"The Jewish religion is a religion of Mitzvoth (commandments) and without this religious idiom, the Jewish religion doesn’t exist at all." Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz

While Islam and Christianity can be easily understood as belief systems, Judaism actually defies the notion of belief all together. Judaism is an obedience regulative system. The Judaic universe is ruled by ‘mitzvoth’ (commandment), a set of 613 precepts and directives ordered by God. In opposition to Christianity and Islam that build from spiritual and heavenly precepts in worship to a transcendental God, the Judaic subject subscribes to strict earthly and material observance. While the Islamo-Christian is wrapped in God’s loving and the spirituality of the sublime and divinity, the follower of Judaism is judged by his or her ability to adhere to hundreds of rigorous earthly orders.

A brief look at the Judaic Sabbath common prayer reveals the nature of Judaism as an obedience regulatory system. As we can see below, in Judaism, even God-loving is not an involuntary act:

“You shall love Adonai your God with all your heart,
with all your soul, and with all your might.
Take to heart these instructions with which I charge you this day.

…Thus you shall remember to observe all My commandments
and to be holy to your God.
I am Adonai, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt to be your God:
I am Adonai your God.”

(Common Prayers for Shabbat Evening From Deuteronomy and Numbers)

For the Jew, belief and God-loving are not subject to either rational discretion or spiritual impulse. God loving, as we read above, is a strict “charge”, an order. But if Judaism is not a belief system, what kind of system is it? Does the Judaic subject believe in anything at all?

The answer is yes: the Jew believes in ‘The Jews’ and the Jews believe in ‘The Jew.’ This mode of mutual affirmation establishes a solid and forceful tribal continuum that serves the collective as well as the singular subject. Accordingly, the subject adheres to the collective and vice versa. In pragmatic terms, the Jew sticks to the ‘chosen people’ and, together the ‘chosenites’ uphold a collective sense of choseness.



In Judaism, ‘choseness’ is the belief that the Jewish people were singularly chosen to enter into a covenant with God. For religious Jews, being chosen is realised as a duty. According to Judaic belief, the Jews have been placed on earth to fulfill a certain purpose. This purpose is bestowed upon the Jews and they pass it from father to son.[1]

In reality, the first Jews invented a God who chose them over all other people. For some reason this God is occasionally cruel, often non-ethical and as if this were not enough, not exactly a nice father. The Jewish God doesn’t even allow his people to call him by name. One may wonder what led the first Jews to invent such a horrid father figure. One may further question what led the Jews to sustain their ‘relationship’ with such an obnoxious father. The answer is surprisingly simple. They don’t.

The Jews don’t believe in God, they are observant of God. They believe in themselves- the Jews believe in ‘The Jew’ and vice versa. Within this peculiar troubled family affair, the Jew is free to dump God, as an author can freely re-write or at least re-shape his or her own narrative. But the Jew can never dump the Jews as much as the Jews can’t allow ‘The Jew’ to go free. And what about God, can he be emancipated, can he choose another people? Certainly not. Unlike the Jew who is free to dump God while clinging to a Jewish identity, the Jewish God is merely a Jewish protagonist, he can’t go anywhere, he is stuck with ‘his’ chosen people forever.

Choseness, so it seems, is hardly a heavenly gift, it is in fact a curse. It confines the Jew in a realm of self-imposed commandment and materiality. Instead of beauty, holiness and the pursuit of the divine and the sublime, the rabbinical Jew is left with an earthly obedience scheme that is sustained by a rigid tribal setting. ‘The Jew’ and ‘The Jews’ are bound in a set of mutual affirmations in which God serves an instrumental role.

Some may rightly argue that this spectacular bond between the Jews and ‘The Jew’ is essential for an understanding of the dichotomy between Judaic tribalism and the universal appeal of Islamo-Christian beliefs.

The Judaic crude intolerance towards dissent serves as an example of the above. Throughout their history, Jews have proven themselves hostile toward their nonconformists; now we are ready to grasp why. For the Islamo-Christian, secularization, for instance, entails a rejection of a transcendental affair. But for the rabbinical Judaic subject, failure to conform constitutes a rejection of the Jews. It interferes crudely with the fragile relationship between ‘The Jew’ and the Jews. It shatters the self-affirmation mechanism. While in the case of Christianity and Islam dumping God suggests turning one’s back on a remote supernatural entity, in the case of Judaism, such an act is interpreted as a disbelief in the tribe.

This interpretation may help illuminate Jesus’ plight. It may explain the reasoning behind the brutal Rabbinical Herem (excommunication) against Spinoza and Uriel Da Costa. And it also explains why the secular and the so-called ‘progressive’ Jew is equally obnoxious towards dissent or any form of criticism from within. If Judaism is not a belief system but rather a system of obedience regulation, then Jewish identity politics is merely an extension of the above regulatory philosophy.

Jews often drop their God, simply to invent a different God who ‘facilitates’ subscription to a new regulatory system. The new system, like the old outlines a new set of strict commandments, a manner of speech and rigorous boundaries of ‘kosher’ conduct.

In the beginning of the 20th century, for instance, Bolshevism appealed to many Eastern European Jews. It provided a sense of self-righteousness in addition to regulating a strict form of obedience. As we know, it didn’t take long for Bolshevism to mature into a genocidal doctrine that made Old Testament barbarism look like a juvenile fairytale. The Holocaust, that seems to be the most popular Jewish religion at present, may be the ultimate and final stage in Jewish historical development. According to the Holocaust religion, ‘God died in Auschwitz.’ Within the context of the Holocaust religion, ‘The Jew’ is the new Jewish God. The Holocaust religion has finally united ‘The Jew’ and the Jews into a self-sufficient comprehensive and independent ‘God-less’ religious narrative. Both were about to be eradicated. But, not only were they both saved: they have prevailed and each did so independently. In the Holocaust religion, Jews are both victims and oppressors - they have transformed slavery into empowerment and they did it all alone, in spite of being dumped by their treacherous God. The Holocaust religion, like Judaism, prescribes a manner of speech and a strict set of commandments. Most crucially, like more traditional Judaism, it is totally and disgracefully intolerant toward dissent.

Due to the lack of a divine transcendental entity, Jewish religions have always regarded criticism as rejection of the tribe. Jewish religions, whether Judaism, Bolshevism or Holocaust, are equally intolerant towards criticism and dissent. Jewish religions treat opposition as a vile attempt at ‘delegitimization’ on the verge of genocidal inclination.

Jewish religions can be defined as different templates that facilitate a sense of choseness. They affirm a bond between an imaginary marginal ‘collective’ and a phantasmal ‘archetype’: the Bolshevists and ‘The Bolshevik’, the Survivours and ‘The Survivour’, the Jews and ‘The Jew,’ and so on. The bond between the collective and the idea of an archetypical singularity is always maintained by a set of rigid commandments, a correct manner of speech, some strict regulatory guidelines for behavior and vile opposition to dissent.

Tragically enough, intolerance of dissent has become a universal Western political symptom. Incidentally, Christianity, Islam, religion and divinity in general are also under attack within the context of contemporary Western discourse. Is this a symptom of the Jerusalemification of our Western universe? Is the emergence of the tyranny of political correctness a coincidence? And if we are becoming Jews, is there any room for the hope that our universe may, at some stage, embrace a universal ethos once again? Can we once again believe in something? Or do we have to wait for a new Jesus figure to resurrect our trust in the human spirit and humanity in general? Or have we been re-designed to self-destruct as soon as we come close to such a lucid awareness?



[1] As God himself suggests in the Book of Genesis: "And I (God) will establish My covenant between Me and you (the Jews) and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you." (Book of Genesis, Chapter 17).

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Old 26-05-2016, 08:12 AM   #2
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Judaism is an obedience regulative system.
Rabbinical Judaism could be described as such, but more fluid forms like Karaite Judaism are not. Rabbinism is descended from Pharasaism, which includes the man-made geder condemned in the gospels. Also, prophets of Judaism speak of the importance of the discovery of the truth.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hosea 4:6

Come now, and let us reason together, saith YHWH: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
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In Judaism, ‘choseness’ is the belief that the Jewish people were singularly chosen to enter into a covenant with God.
The covenant of circumcision applies to the twelve tribes of Israel, not just the "Jews". Also the covenant of the land benefits the descendants of Ishmael as well as the twelve tribes.

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In reality, the first Jews invented a God who chose them over all other people.
This atheism is consistent with Atzmon's belief that Israel is the same as the Zionist state.

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Old 26-05-2016, 08:50 AM   #3
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Zionism is "but an incident of a far reaching plan," "It is merely a convenient peg on which to hang a powerful weapon" said leading American Zionist Louis Marshall, counsel for bankers Kuhn Loeb in 1917.

Soviets Razed Churches -Spared Synagogues
by Henry Makow, 2-14-7

In October, a reader sent a penetrating question: "When Bolshevism took over Russia, they tried to eliminate religion. Their stated philosophy was atheism and they closed Christian Churches and killed or imprisoned the clergy."

"However, did they also close Jewish synagogues and kill or imprison the rabbis? The answer to this question will explain many things about the early days of Communism and I hope you can provide the truth." http://rense.com/general75/spared.htm
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The covenant of circumcision applies to the twelve tribes of Israel, not just the "Jews"
The "covenant" of circumcision is a human construct, just like Yahweh. Circumcision was a health (and maybe sex) regulation in the stone age, then suddenly became a law of "god" - a human construct, humans that think they are god, also called psychopath

The 12 tribes of Israel relates to Jews, seeing that Abraham (the Bible is a racial book) is the father of the Jews (although he was a Chaldean, and not Jewish) - the confusion is due to human constructs - if you don`t get all this shit, get a Christian to put it "into context". Start ignoring them when they argue in circles, the need to be right, the need to be Yahweh, my way or the Yah-way
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Gilad Atzmon: Talmudic Logic for Beginners



"It is possible that when they circumcised Alan Dershowitz, they binned the wrong bit. Following the recent devastating chain of nuclear disasters in Japan, the lame Zionist advocate has managed to draw the most astonishing conclusion: “Israel Has the Right to Attack Iran's Nuclear Reactors Now”

Here is Dershowitz’ fascinating, logical, algorithm for us to consider:

1. “The recent disaster in Japan has shown the world the extraordinary dangers posed by nuclear radiation”

2. “If Iran were to develop nuclear weapons, the next ship destined to Gaza might contain a nuclear dirty bomb”

3 “A dirty bomb detonated in tiny Israel would cause incalculable damage to civilian life.”

Dershowitz is obviously a complete ignorant -- a ‘nuclear dirty bomb’ is not exactly something you blithely throw over the fence onto your next-door neighbour: the Palestinians in Gaza do not need a ‘dirty bomb,’ and have never expressed any desire to have one. All they want is their land back. And they would be the last to radioactively contaminate their beloved soil.

However, unlike the Jewish state that possesses hundreds of nuclear bombs and have also been using WMD against civilians, no one has managed to prove that Iran plans to produce an atomic bomb, or any other weapons of mass destruction. [1]

“Israel” says Dershowitz, “has the right to prevent its civilians from being murdered by Iranian weapons, especially weapons of mass destruction.”

Yet, if Dershowitz’ logic is valid and consistent, then surely every Arab and Muslim country in the world should also have the right to prevent its own civilians from being murdered by Israel’s weapons of mass destruction.

If Dershowitz is correct, the Jewish state would have ‘no legal standing to protest a surgical attack on its nuclear facilities’, for Israel is a volatile nuclear super power that so far has refused to sign any non-proliferation of nuclear weapons treaty.

In his absurd piece, war enthusiast Dershowitz pretends to present reasonable argument: he says “this is not to say that Israel should attack Iran's nuclear reactors now. That it has the right to do so does not mean that it should not wait for a more opportune time …But under no circumstances should the military option ever be taken off the table. Israel must preserve its ability to exercise its fundamental right of preventive self defense.”

And what about the rest of us Mr. Dershowitz? Do we also have the right of ‘self-defense’?

I think that the message is clear. The time is ripe to defend the rest of humanity from the Jewish State and its poisonous messengers. Zionist advocates like Dershowitz should, once and for all, be seen for what they really are, and rejected by our society and academia.

Similarly, Israel must be stripped of its nuclear capacity and military might. The Jewish state must be dismantled, before it is too late.


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Alan Dershowitz Denies Sexual Assault Allegations As ‘A Complete And Total Lie’
01/03/2015 03:23 pm ET | Updated Jan 05, 2015

Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz on Friday dismissed as “a complete and total lie” allegations of sexual assault levied by a woman who claims she was kept as a sex slave by billionaire investor Jeffrey Epstein.

Attorneys for the woman, who is identified in federal court documents as Jane Doe #3, charged that Epstein forced her “to have sexual relations with Dershowitz on numerous occasions while she was a minor, not only in Florida but also on private planes, in New York, New Mexico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands.” The woman also made allegations against Britain’s Prince Andrew, British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell and French model scout Jean Luc Brunel.

According to Politico, Jane Doe #3 made her accusations in a Tuesday court filing in West Palm Beach, Florida, as a part of a larger lawsuit arising out of Epstein’s guilty plea to two state felony counts related to prostitution. Epstein served 13 months of a 18-month sentence and was released in 2009. The lawsuit contends that federal prosecutors improperly failed to consult with Epstein’s victims before signing off on the plea deal. Dershowitz was part of Epstein’s legal team, Politico noted.

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Israel must preserve its ability to exercise its fundamental right of preventive self defense.
This is political doctrine, not a logical argument of any kind.
The twelve tribes of Israel have the natural right of self defence. A state has no such natural right, and the taking of the name of Israel does by the state does not confer the right.

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The time is ripe to defend the rest of humanity from the Jewish State and its poisonous messengers
Both humanity and the Zog apply the same state-based protection model, obviously a better security model is in order.

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The "covenant" of circumcision is a human construct, just like Yahweh.
Humans were not involved in the original case. The covenant of circumcision was inherent to the origin of Israel, not Babylon.

Above all: "appellari ceteros homines, esse solos eos, qui essent politi propriis humanitatis artibus" (De re publica I, xvii, 28).[29] "Thus, not all men are humani or demonstrate humanitas. Only in the civilization of the Roman Empire and its social order does humanitas count as an educational value and socio-ethical virtue. Those who live outside the Empire are not yet fully 'human,' they are 'barbarians'."
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The 12 tribes of Israel relates to Jews, seeing that Abraham (the Bible is a racial book) is the father of the Jews (although he was a Chaldean, and not Jewish)
"Jews" is a corruption of Yehudim, meaning the tribe or house of Yehudah (Judah). Being Jewish does not necessarily mean that someone is descended from Jacob, others can convert or join the community. For this reason Abraham is not the father of all Jews. The racial element of the Abrahamic religions relate to the covenant of the land and to the covenant of circumcision. The Jewish state assumes the right to the land of the Abrahamic covenant at the expense of the descendant of Ishmael, who are typically Muslim.

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Humans were not involved in the original case
That is highly debatable and will not stand in a court of law - it`s an opinion based on illogics and on the assumption that Yahweh said anything to anybody. Imagine other religions went the same way as Judaism with their "chosen" and "holy land" policy - where would we end ? One "religion" getting away with these things is why we have an elite and Zionist problem in the first place

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Those who live outside the Empire are not yet fully 'human,' they are 'barbarians'
That is a matter of opinion. All nations at one time were 'barbarians'

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"Jews" is a corruption of Yehudim, meaning the tribe or house of Yehudah (Judah)
Are you saying that the other tribes are non-Jewish ?

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Being Jewish does not necessarily mean that someone is descended from Jacob, others can convert or join the community
Being a Jew is in your DNA (being born from a Jewess makes you a Jew) - in the same way all other races are based on DNA, not religion. If any other race converts to Judaism it does not change their DNA - that is absurd. What it is, is a clever ploy to trick people into believing that Judaism is the only true religion - it`s more a political system than a religion - that goes for all the Abrahamic religions, whether they know they are playing the Zionist game or not
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That is highly debatable and will not stand in a court of law
Wrong. Common law is inherently theistic, and it draws from Judaic law. The "dooms" of the common law of King Alfred the Great begin with a Saxon version of the 10 commandments.


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That is a matter of opinion.
No, it's a historical fact that Cicero wrote that not all people were humans (homo humanus).

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Are you saying that the other tribes are non-Jewish ?
Yes, in the sense that the lost tribes do not identify as being culturally Jewish and do not observe the Talmud of Rabbinical Judaism.

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Being a Jew is in your DNA
Wrong, people can convert to Judaism. Also people can be atheists and still be culturally Jewish.

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being born from a Jewess makes you a Jew
In Judaism descent is patriachal, eg King David is described as the son of Jesse, not the son of his mother Nitzevet. Matrilineal descent is a Rabbincal teaching, it is not part of original Judaism.
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Jewish descent is matriarchal.
If your mum aint Jewish then neither are you.
Fact.
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Jewish descent is matriarchal.
If your mum aint Jewish then neither are you.
Fact.
This idea originated with Rabbinism, not original Judaism. Rabbinism originated as Pharasaism.

The geneologies in the Torah are all patriarchal, not matriarchal.
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This idea originated with Rabbinism, not original Judaism. Rabbinism originated as Pharasaism.

The geneologies in the Torah are all patriarchal, not matriarchal.
Tell it to the rabbi brother.
You may be right but anybody with a non Jewish mum aint joining the rabbi's schul any time soon.
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Wrong. Common law is inherently theistic, and it draws from Judaic law
Circumcision is a human construct, and so is the "inherently theistic" doctrines (based on taboos) - just because some Rabbi thinks he heard the voice of Yahweh, is his problem - there is no way to prove it. Imagine the Taoist, Buddhist, Pagans, etc all claim that their gods spoke to them, that they are the chosen and that their land are the holy land where only they may dwell. Theistic Law is a matter of opinion, it`s the word of certain men, not the Law of Nature. Just because some religion uses their biased theistic laws, now everyone must jump to attention ?

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No, it's a historical fact that Cicero wrote that not all people were humans (homo humanus)
Yes, it`s Cicero opinion, just that ... an opinion. For all that I know he was a barbarian according to the surrounding nations

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Yes, in the sense that the lost tribes do not identify as being culturally Jewish and do not observe the Talmud of Rabbinical Judaism
So, are the "lost tribes", as you put it, Jewish in DNA or not ? Forget about "culturally Jewish". I take it you mean the other 10 tribes excluding Judah and the Levites

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Wrong, people can convert to Judaism
That does not change their DNA, they are still African, Japanese, European, or whatever, they don`t miraculously become Jewish in DNA because of their conversion. This is as absurd as saying that a Jew that converts to Christianity is no longer a Jew. This is a deceptive ploy similar to the idea that a European becomes Muslim when he converts. Judaism like Islam is a political system hiding behind religion. All the myths in the Jewish Bible are there to bind together a nation, to give them an identity, a culture, and to intimidate other nations that dare to oppose them seeing that they are the "chosen", and the wrath of Yahweh will be on you if you dare - psychological black mail, simple as that.

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In Judaism descent is patriachal, eg King David is described as the son of Jesse, not the son of his mother Nitzevet
I take it his mother was Jewish, yes ?

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Matrilineal descent is a Rabbincal teaching, it is not part of original Judaism
Converted Jews are never really accepted by the Jews - you`re either a Jew or not



"Patriachal descent" and "Matrilineal descent" are much older than "original" Judaism or Rabbinical teaching - it was a way of Sky (Male Archetype) connecting with Mother Nature (Female Archetype) in the act of creation, symbolically in the gods and goddesses. It was something ancient man observed in Nature in various ways, the gods and goddesses were seen as Natural Forces personified.

Yahweh is just a name a tribe gave to their god, while other tribes gave other names to their gods. Yahweh is nothing special, and neither is his religion. The laws were put into place to keep a tribe together and eliminate chaos, nothing godly. Giving it a "godly" flavour is a human construct
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Circumcision is a human construct...
Wrong. Humans are a Roman construct, circumcision is not a Roman practice.

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