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'Dangerous complacency' to global HIV epidemic risks resurgence

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Big pharma needs more money for AID$, looks like they don't like my comment very much.
But it seems like most of the commenters do believe HIV cause AIDS.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...oportions.html

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So are you saying the doctors above in the video and article, who claim that HIV is retrovirus and don't do anything, are lying and MSMedicine docs are legit?
The reason for their denialism is unclear.

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The same kind of doctors who promote vaccines that also do nothing for flu other than inject mercury and god knows what into elderly and vulnerable people?
They reduce the risk https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...339-4/fulltext

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Wrong see what the "evidence" on vaccines shows: https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=321723


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It's what the totality of evidence shows.
There has never been any evidence that HIV causes AIDS. The Robert Gallo reports that are often cited in "scientific" reports for "evidence" don't even claim that HIV causes AIDS.
These reports do claim that there is a correlation between HIV and AIDS. Why they didn't conclude that AIDS causes "HIV" is beyond my comprehension.

And when we follow the reasoning by the medical establishment, we could conclude just as ridiculously that HIV causes:
- Homosexuality; and/or...
- A black skin colour.
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They reduce the risk https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...339-4/fulltext



It's what the totality of evidence shows.
Yes, so HIV test is a scam.
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Yes, so HIV test is a scam.
Apparently according to the Perth Group, who are research scientists in virology the standard experiments to prove the existence of HIV have never even been done!
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Apparently according to the Perth Group, who are research scientists in virology the standard experiments to prove the existence of HIV have never even been done!
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There's plenty of respectable scientists and doctors who say HIV = AIDS = DEATH is bullshit, you only have to look a bit to find them.
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I actually once vomited because I was so scared I might have got HIV, then I started looking into it and im not scared anymore.
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Let's thinkg about a death certificate...

I seem to remember that people who supposedly died having HIV virus usually die of Pneumonia and other AIDS related condition other than dying from AIDS.... I'm not an expert on death certificate but something eeks me.
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I'm really not so sure, and I mean REALLY.

For example: professionals who do believe (or just like to tell themselves they do) HIV is the cause of AIDS will openly admit they do not know HOW it causes AIDS.

So to then go on to make that claim is truly bizarre.

To tell someone they have a lethal virus and that they need to take nasty toxic chemicals (aka "Medicines") for the rest of their life without absolute proof of such is extremely cruel.
The virus infects different immune cells. When it comes to CD4+ T-cells then it directly and indirectly destroys them. With these cells reduced the body's ability to fight infections, certain cancers and control different fungi/bacteria that live in/on the host is greatly reduced. This therefore increases the risk of life threatening complications and death. So AIDS is a set of symptoms and illnesses that develop as a result of an advanced and usually untreated HIV infection.

HAART has been shown to decrease viral load and helps maintain the function of the immune system https://journals.lww.com/aidsonline/...era_of.17.aspx https://www.jci.org/articles/view/5863 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9461195 The addition of newer drugs will help with this too https://www.cytodyn.com/media/press-...ved-in-pro-140
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Yes, so HIV test is a scam.
Over many decades, thousands of different scientists from hundreds of independent groups worldwide have replicated preclinical, clinical and epidemiological studies which show the same thing. HIV is not a scam.
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Over many decades, thousands of different scientists from hundreds of independent groups worldwide have replicated preclinical, clinical and epidemiological studies which show the same thing. HIV is not a scam.
I've got some information not from AIDS whistleblowers but mainstream info...
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According to the “independent” Wikipedia “On May 4, 1984, Gallo and his collaborators published a series of four papers in the scientific journal Science [14] demonstrating that a retrovirus they had isolated, called HTLV-III in the belief that the virus was related to the leukemia viruses of Gallo's earlier work, was the cause of AIDS.[15]”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Gallo

The problem here is that the 4 papers don't even claim that HIV is THE cause of AIDS. Since then nobody has given any evidence that HIV causes AIDS, even though according to the state media this is an undeniable "fact"...
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Here are the 4 papers from May 4, 1984 of Gallo et al in Science: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...ype=pdf#page=4
The first 3 articles make no claim whatsoever that HIV is the cause of AIDS.
The 4th paper (page 18) “Antibodies Reactive with Human T-Lymphotropic Retroviruses (HTLV-III) in the Serum of Patients with AIDS” M. G. Sarngadharan, Mikulas Popovic, Lilian Bruch, Jörg Schüpbach, Robert C. Gallo is the interesting one and this is THE only (according to Papadopulos-Eleopulos, Duesberg and Nobel laureate Kary Mullis) paper used by the state media as “evidence” that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

Like Papadopulos-Eleopulos has written and said some 20 years ago, these papers do not even claim to be evidence that HIV is the cause of AIDS. The only claim made is that there appears to be a relation between AIDS, homosexuality and HIV (that was named as HTLV-III).

Over many decades, thousands of corrupt scientists from hundreds of corrupt groups worldwide have replicated the same lie - HIV causes AIDS - over and over again...
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The virus infects different immune cells. When it comes to CD4+ T-cells then it directly and indirectly destroys them. With these cells reduced the body's ability to fight infections, certain cancers and control different fungi/bacteria that live in/on the host is greatly reduced. This therefore increases the risk of life threatening complications and death. So AIDS is a set of symptoms and illnesses that develop as a result of an advanced and usually untreated HIV infection.

HAART has been shown to decrease viral load and helps maintain the function of the immune system https://journals.lww.com/aidsonline/...era_of.17.aspx https://www.jci.org/articles/view/5863 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9461195 The addition of newer drugs will help with this too https://www.cytodyn.com/media/press-...ved-in-pro-140
HOW does HIV indirectly destroy T cells?
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HOW does HIV indirectly destroy T cells?
A number of different ways. One of these being via CD8+ T-cells https://www.jci.org/articles/view/7162 However, they become dysfunctional http://www.bloodjournal.org/content/91/2/585 https://link.springer.com/article/10...904-011-0106-4 and some can no longer recognise or kill the infected cells https://www.nature.com/articles/354453a0 http://jvi.asm.org/content/67/6/3274 https://www.nature.com/articles/34929
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Mikovits – retroviruses in vaccines

This could be THE single most shocking “medical” story that I’ve heard about this year...

Molecular biologist Judy Anne Mikovits was part of a scientific team that discovered xenotropic murine leukemia virus (XMRV) in many of the study subjects with cancer, motor-neuron disorders and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS).
In 2009, the team published this study, which understandably got very controversial. The team concluded that the XMRV retrovirus came from mice. This was probably caused by contaminated vaccines.

In October 2011, Mikovits was fired was subsequently arrested on 18 November, because she wouldn’t admit that her 2009 paper was a fraud for manipulation of data and theft (of her own notebooks).
The criminal charges against her were dismissed.

The paper was retracted 23 December 2011, with the excuse that the mouse retroviruses they found weren’t in the human blood, but were contaminants (which is unlikely): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Mikovits


Following is a transcript of an interview of Judy Mikovits by Wendy Myers.

They found retroviruses, similar to HIV, in patients with chronic fatigue Syndrome, which must have come in their bloodstream by vaccines.
A lot of diseases are caused by these mouse retroviruses, including AIDS and cancer.
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In 2009, we published a paper showing retroviruses, viruses similar to HIV, were being isolated. We isolated them from patients with the disease also from their family members, also from people with cancer and autism.
And so these retroviruses now, HIV/AIDS-like viruses, are causing even worse than HIV/AIDS. They're causing these diseases which destroy your immune system and your brain, and the worst part about it is you don't die. You simply suffer for decades with no brain, in horrible pain, can't sleep, can't think, can't work. And the government had basically been calling these people crazy, because you look fine. You look pretty like you and me sitting here. And everybody says, "Oh, she can't be sick.”
(...)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we wrote the book Plague. Kent Heckenlively is a former attorney, and he had an injured daughter, a severely vaccineinjured daughter, in one of our family studies isolating these HIV/AIDSlike viruses. Well, my colleagues from HIV and the National Cancer Institute were all working with us at the Whittemore Peterson Institute, and they were finding a much bigger incidence of these viruses. And they're mouse viruses, so they're related to mice. They're mice endogenous retroviruses that have jumped into people, and that's how they cause disease. The HIV-like virus came from monkeys into people.
And one of my colleagues from HIV wrote a paper in January of 2011 and said, "The most likely way that mouse viruses got into human is vaccines and biological therapies." All of our biological therapies essentially since the early '90s or mid '80s are biological therapies that now we understood from my work and from his commentary paper were most likely entering humans from not only vaccines but our biological cancer therapies, because they're all made in mice.
(...)

So chronic fatigue syndrome is really a big closet disease. It's a shameful stigma name because in America, you can't be tired. And they do the same thing, blame the victim, and just say you're crazy, and oh, suck it up and get up and go work. And when these devastating viruses hit your brain, you're literally destroyed. So what our book does is walk through my arrest, my jailing. So it opens with my arrest. And so I get held in jail for five days without seeing a lawyer, with all of my constitutional-

On a fake charge without a warrant, without anything. I was called a fugitive from justice, but you can be a fugitive if there's no crime.
(…)

The truth is essentially every vaccine is contaminated and/or they're making them out of backbones of retroviruses. And the sad truth is that the retroviruses stay in your genome for generations, and the murine leukemia, the gammaretroviruses from mice, can infect stem cells. So generations, grandma can have MECFS, and child can get it from grandma, inherit the sequence, and then the vaccines amplify it because there are many, many more viruses in there. Because the retroviruses, you don't have to have the particle, you just have the sequence. So anywhere there is animal cell line or cellular material, the sequence is only 8000 base pairs. It's called a provirus. And the provirus needs your cells in order to make a particle and be infectious and transmissible, and that's a really important part. But we're injuring literally thousands, tens of thousands, millions of base pairs of DNA in every single vaccine containing cow retroviruses, mouse retroviruses, pig retroviruses. And in fact, if you look at the CDC excipient list for the RotaTeq, the RotaTeq vaccine. They list two pig retroviruses in there, and they say, "Oh, but they don't do anything to humans." By definition, if you inject an animal retrovirus in a human, and it is expressed, it will hurt you.
(...)

Well, it's interesting, because we all have retroviruses that are immune system has crippled. They're called endogenous retroviruses, so they're not infectious and transmissible. And so meaning they're just silenced, and your immune system has kept them silent. And you have to keep them silent. So really it becomes a big conundrum. You don't want to test and say, "Do I have a retrovirus?" We know that you have lots of retroviruses, and there are pieces and parts and components of those retroviruses in every vaccine. And what we've learned now is you don't have to have an infectious retrovirus, just the components, just the pieces and parts, just the envelope gene, and the glyphosate in vaccines, or the mercury, or the aluminum that actually cripple the parts of the immune system that keep them silent. So it's literally a time bomb because we all have retroviruses, but mine are silent. Mine aren't turned on, because I'm 60 years old, and most 60-year-olds only got two vaccines. So it's not just a vaccine, it's the shear numbers of these things. And it's not just the components and the retroviral elements in the vaccines, it's the mercury. Because every time you get one, it's like throwing gasoline on a fire. So the kids get sicker and sicker and sicker.

Mikovits also discovered that her superiors were committing fraud.
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Yes. And I also uncovered that my supervisors were misappropriating federal funds, and they were also selling al diagnostic test that hadn't been properly validated for the family of viruses. And so I discovered this huge criminal ring surrounding the University of Nevada, Harry Reid, Harvey Whittemore. And basically, they were using this discovery.
Harvey Whittemore had been embezzling money from his business partners, and they caught him. And they were threatening to kill him

And he had lied to the FBI about a election fraud with regard to Harry Reid, so Harry Reid wasn't actually legally elected. And they were paying people basically to donate to his campaign. So lots of other things going on there. And I had discovered this. In late August and early September, I discovered the scientific fraud and the misappropriation of federal funds by actually the first author on our paper, who was basically taking the money out of the research lab and putting it in the company, which is a big, big no-no, and not doing his job. And he was being paid for it. And so they were taking our data and using it.

AIDS couldn’t have been caused by HIV.
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So the hope, and that's why we put the story in the book about Magic Johnson, because my PhD thesis, the dogma at the time I was doing my research, was that all our therapies in HIV were made towards the T-cell. And it was let yourself get sicker and sicker and don't use these dangerous drugs, because they're too dangerous, and they'll kill you.
Well, what my research showed we knew only one in 10,000 T-cells was infected. And I said something else is the orchestrator. So the orchestrator of the disease turned out to be the macrophage, the brain microglia, and what's the biggest damage from aluminum? The brain microglia, the macrophages all over your body. You have different microglia, different macrophage subsets that do different specialized things. Like fatty liver is our microglia in our liver, the Kupffer cells getting sick. And that's all the toxins, all the poisons, things like that.

I believe that there is only one way to keep ourselves mentally and physically healthy:
Good nutrition;
Keep away from toxics;
Regular exercise.
I don’t believe in wonder medicines, but in preventing disease instead, but Suramin is probably better that the AIDS drugs that are used these days.
Mikovits claims that Suramin is a cure for autism, but Bayern took it away from the kids.
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Well, as natural products. So you can use teas. You can use herbs. You can use 100-year old Bayer drug called suramin, S-U-R-A-M-I-N, and that drug is 100-year-old drug, and we know how to use it safely. And so an investigator, and I won't use his name, in San Diego, did a small clinical trial in autism with suramin used properly.
We used to do a lot of research in the early '80s. It was one of our first HIV drugs. We pulled everything off the shelf that made sense that might work. And so suramin actually was curative for autism. And Bayer, the drug company, took it away from the kids. You cannot get it. It can heal these kids like Kent Heckenlively's daughter who hasn't spoke a word and is desperately I'll. She looks like an AIDS patient, because that's what she is. And he can't get the drug. And so this just happened in the last year. So our book is revealing when you cure a disease, you know what caused it.

And so suramin was actually the reason why we didn't use it in HIV is what did it work best on? Oh, the gammaretroviruses from mice. The retroviruses that we found from mice. And so HIV is a different family of viruses, so the suramin drug worked best on the family of viruses we isolated and discovered associated with all of these diseases.
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This isn’t the first time that I hear that AIDS is caused by vaccines. It could very well be that repeatedly injecting retroviruses in the human body through vaccines could slowly but surely weaken your immune system.

According to Leonard Horrowitz, in 1978 promiscuous homosexuals in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco were injected with a hepatitis B vaccine through the Centers for Disease Control/New York Blood Center and George W. Merck’s pharmaceutical company.
This vaccine was really a “Trojan horse” that made these gay men develop what was called AIDS. According to Horrowitz this was done intentionally. It were these gay men that were the first AIDS cases that were reported in 1981...


The following interview with Judy Mikovits is a great summary of what she has to say (12:15).



Here’s a longer interview with Judy Mikovits (1:08:25): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmzWq6Ej6Os


Following is the retracted 2009 study.
Of the 101 test subjects with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) that were analysed, 68 (67%) contained XMRV.
XMRV was only found in the blood of 8 out of 218 (3.7%) healthy people.
They verified that it was highly improbable that they had detected a laboratory contaminant.

The XMRV sequences were more than 99% similar to those previously reported for strains of XMRV in prostate cancer tumours.
The XMRV sequences were very similar to mouse strains.

After infecting T and B cells with XMRV, it was found that the cells of the CFS patients reacted differently to the XMRV than the (blood of) healthy individuals.
These results make it more probable that the immune response of the CFS patients to XMRV is different than for healthy people.

J.A. Mikovits et al. – Detection of an Infectious Retrovirus, XMRV, in Blood Cells of Patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (2009): https://www.researchgate.net/publica...tigue_syndrome


Following is a later 2010 article in which Mikovits defends the earlier 2009 study.
They detected XMRV in more than 75% of 101 patients with CFS by 5 different methods.
It is simply not possible that the blood samples used were contaminated with mouse retroviruses as the WPI and NCI labs where the analysis with PCR was done had never worked with mouse tissues.

J.A. Mikovits et al. – Detection of an Infectious Retrovirus, XMRV, in Blood Cells of Patients with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (2010): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3073172/


In 2014, Mikovits co-authored, "Plague: One Scientist’s Intrepid Search for the Truth about Human Retroviruses and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" with Kent Heckenlively.
Following is an article written by Heckenlively to promote the book,

In 2012, a group headed by Ian Lipkin came to the conclusion that there is no association between XMRV and patients with chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS).
In a strange twist, they excluded patients with the following conditions: 1) HIV virus; 2) Hepatitis B or C virus; 3) Treponema pallidium (tapeworm); 4) B. burgdorfieri (Lyme disease spirochete); 5) Illness associated with fatigue; 6) Abnormal serum characteristics; 7; Abnormal thyroid functions.
There were no good objective reasons to exclude these “kind” of people. Micro-biologist Gerwyn Morris explained that this is like "looking for HIV, but excluding homosexual males, IV drug users, and those who'd received a blood transfusion". So they intentionally manipulated the study...

In 2013, Lipkin said in a public conference call with CDC that they found retroviruses in 85% of the sample pools but didn’t know whether this 85% is “clinically significant or not”.
This manipulated study was used to do no follow-up research on the findings of Mikovits and her team of scientists: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/pla...rica-must-read
(archived here: http://archive.is/WDsxv)


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