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Old 26-09-2013, 12:12 PM   #75761
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@strikeback I like this line better from the article you posted.

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Hall, 83, could be re-arrested in prison and, if charged and convicted, he may never be freed.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24284558
BBC News - 26 September 2013
Child sex abuse case PC found dead at home in Norfolk

A police officer suspected of child sex abuse was found dead at home, it has emerged.

Norfolk Police said PC Gareth Gricks, 53, was found hanging at his home in Dunton, near Fakenham, on 6 August.


The force said he was suspected of abuse involving victims from south-east Asia, using online forums to make contact with young girls.

PC Gricks, who was arrested at home after a holiday in Thailand, would have faced nine charges, police said.

They included three counts of arranging or facilitating the commission of a child sex offence, five offences of sexual assault against a woman and one count of making indecent images of children.

A coroner's inquest opening heard PC Gricks was found in his garage by a family member.

PC Gricks is understood to have told his family some details about the investigation a few days earlier.

The policeman, who was divorced with adult children, was arrested at his home after returning from a holiday in Thailand in July.

He had since been dismissed from the force for gross misconduct.

The charges relate to multiple possible victims thought to be aged over 10 and under 16. The offence against the woman was committed in the UK.

About 100 indecent images were found on his computer.

None of the offences was committed while he was on duty, police said.
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Old 26-09-2013, 12:19 PM   #75762
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Love that last sentence. How about they start letting the public decide what's "in the public's interest"?

"If Hall is charged with further offences, prosecutors would have to decide whether more expensive and time-consuming court action is in the public interest."

They're using that bullshit thinking as a talking point now!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24280343
BBC News - 26 September 2013
NSPCC: Time not right for child exploitation inquiry



A children's charity has said it is not the right time for an independent inquiry into the sexual exploitation of young people in Northern Ireland.

Health Minister Edwin Poots announced an inquiry into child sexual exploitation on Wednesday.

The announcement came after more than 30 people were arrested as part of a major police investigation.

The NSPCC said the minister should be concentrating on providing immediate help for those who have been harmed.

The charity's Neil Anderson said: "There's a big danger here that scarce resources across the agencies could be diverted to the investigation and away from what I believe is the more critical problem - of making sure children at risk of sexual exploitation are being protected and kept safe here and now."
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They want to wait until the predators are dead or too old to name names of accomplices.

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Old 26-09-2013, 12:42 PM   #75763
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-24270323
BBC News - 25 September 2013
Michael Souter sex abuse trial: Ex-BBC man tried to 'flush out accusers'


A former BBC presenter saved suspicious photographs on his computer to "flush out" those accusing him of sex offences against children, a court has heard.

Ex-BBC Radio Norfolk broadcaster Michael Souter, 60, denies 19 sex offences against seven boys.

He also denies a further nine counts of making and possessing indecent images of under-18s.

Mr Souter told Norwich Crown Court someone else was accessing his computer as part of a conspiracy against him.

He is accused of offences including indecent assault and indecency with a child against seven boys aged between 11 and 16.
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In statements found at his home and read to the court, Mr Souter, of Loddon, Norfolk, said he had been under police surveillance for a decade and decided to act in a suspicious manner in an attempt to highlight the campaign against him.
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Describing how he had deliberately placed files, which he claimed were not indecent but might look suspicious, on his computer, he said: "While I accept this is a risky strategy, I am doing all I can to bring this stressful matter to a head."

Prosecutor Andrew Shaw said the images were classed from level one, the least explicit category under the law, to five, the most serious.
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In police interviews read to the court, Mr Souter said he liked being spanked by older men, adding that he was "a little bit bisexual" but had no attraction to young boys.

He explained why he had an adult-sized scout uniform at his house, alongside a 1950s-style schoolboy outfit, rubber shorts, pornographic magazines, videos and audiotapes.

Mr Souter, who has also been involved in the Scouts and a social services youth mentoring scheme, said: "I think it was for a photograph for a Scout magazine article on old uniforms."
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My Bullshit Detector just fritzed again.

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Old 26-09-2013, 12:59 PM   #75764
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Old 26-09-2013, 02:44 PM   #75765
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Pinch your noses. Barbara Hewson is at it again with a new article in The Times today. Published the very same morning the new revelations about Stuart Hall are leaked to the press. What a coincidence

The full story is behind a pay-wall, but here's the opening :-

Historical sex abuse cases have been ‘hijacked by crusaders’

Frances Gibb
Published at 12:09AM, September 26 2013

The post-Savile witch-hunt of ageing men shows moral panic, one barrister tells Frances Gibb

Barbara Hewson is unrepentant. The barrister seems even to be relishing her notoriety. Against the current spate of historical sex abuse allegations she made headlines by claiming that there was a witch-hunt of ageing celebrities that was now a “juggernaut out of control”.

Hewson’s chambers, Hardwicke, has made clear that her comments are her own and she has had abusive e-mails. Yet the human rights and public law specialist has received support, too: why, one person said, is it even news that she is putting forward an alternative view?

SOURCE: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/law/article3878965.ece
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Old 26-09-2013, 03:33 PM   #75766
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WTF isn't she campaigning for everyone of pensionable age be let out of prison whatever their crimes then? Why did we bother with some of the Nuremburg trials then, those who were 60+? Why am I even bothering to respond to the illogical series of non-sequiturs she wishes to utter that appear to her to form some form of cohesive, persuasive, whole? Nah. Waste of time.

Many of our politicians were bar-trained first. For years people got into a set of chambers on who they know and it's not much different now even with a UCAS style pupillage application scheme - even then getting a place in a set of chambers is based on whether your face and personality fits since you're all essentially self-employed and sharing rent.

We need another Twitter reminder campaign - I do personally believe that there are coppers out there still trying to bring those alive and in power to account so I don't want to step on their toes but we need to mark one year passing since the first broadcast re Savile which I think is next Wednesday 3rd October and highlight what has NOT happened. I wouldn't pick something like paedobritain again because while it did the trick then, I think it panders to Hewson. I'd go for making ElmGuestHouse trend or a something like "Savile'sLegacy". I am sure others will have better suggestions than that...please?!

Do think people switch off at even hearing about abuse now - that's the point of the long drawn out trials and sentencing and the drip drip in the press. It forces people to saturation point way before the facts are even out there so I think people tune it out.

The EGH separate thread is useful because it is building a detailed chronology. We almost want to hand hold people through what we now know about EGH and certainly what has been reported.

e.g. highlight aspects of and re-tweet Eileen Fairweather's articles in The Telegraph and Independet
- ditto all the Elm Guest House materials from spotlightonabuse.com
- Nick Davies' articles
- Where's Stuart Hall's Lord X friend? What's happened with the Lord Rennard situation and Cyril Smith for the Lib Dems? Ovenden sentencing
- Why is the Jillings report still in such a heavily redacted form?

So many more questions unanswered and key articles am sure.....
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Old 26-09-2013, 03:58 PM   #75767
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Good plan, Horrified.
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Old 26-09-2013, 04:53 PM   #75768
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Just heard on 5 Live, no charges against Rennard
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WTF isn't she campaigning for everyone of pensionable age be let out of prison whatever their crimes then? Why did we bother with some of the Nuremburg trials then, those who were 60+? Why am I even bothering to respond to the illogical series of non-sequiturs she wishes to utter that appear to her to form some form of cohesive, persuasive, whole? Nah. Waste of time.

Many of our politicians were bar-trained first. For years people got into a set of chambers on who they know and it's not much different now even with a UCAS style pupillage application scheme - even then getting a place in a set of chambers is based on whether your face and personality fits since you're all essentially self-employed and sharing rent.

We need another Twitter reminder campaign - I do personally believe that there are coppers out there still trying to bring those alive and in power to account so I don't want to step on their toes but we need to mark one year passing since the first broadcast re Savile which I think is next Wednesday 3rd October and highlight what has NOT happened. I wouldn't pick something like paedobritain again because while it did the trick then, I think it panders to Hewson. I'd go for making ElmGuestHouse trend or a something like "Savile'sLegacy". I am sure others will have better suggestions than that...please?!

Do think people switch off at even hearing about abuse now - that's the point of the long drawn out trials and sentencing and the drip drip in the press. It forces people to saturation point way before the facts are even out there so I think people tune it out.

The EGH separate thread is useful because it is building a detailed chronology. We almost want to hand hold people through what we now know about EGH and certainly what has been reported.

e.g. highlight aspects of and re-tweet Eileen Fairweather's articles in The Telegraph and Independet
- ditto all the Elm Guest House materials from spotlightonabuse.com
- Nick Davies' articles
- Where's Stuart Hall's Lord X friend? What's happened with the Lord Rennard situation and Cyril Smith for the Lib Dems? Ovenden sentencing
- Why is the Jillings report still in such a heavily redacted form?

So many more questions unanswered and key articles am sure.....
Good idea.
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Old 26-09-2013, 05:23 PM   #75770
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Still around, still reading.

The latest from Real Whiby.
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http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/jaconel...ble-dave-jones
Glad you are still with us, it is equally important that people are still reading and spreading the word

The Real Whitby are doing an amazing job so thought I would post the open letter in full, just in case it gets removed.

Excellent work Timothy Hicks!


Sent: 20 September 2013 11:28

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Subject: RE: Open Letter to North Yorkshire Police re Jimmy Savile and Peter Jaconelli

Dear Police and Crime Commissioner Mulligan,

Dear Chief Constable Jones,

RE: Open Letter to North Yorkshire Police re Jimmy Savile and Peter Jaconelli

Further to my article below, published on the 6th of September 2013:

http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/operati...conelli-savile

I am writing to confirm that I have still not had any response from you to my correspondence.

Of all the failures by the British Police Service that allowed Savile to go unpunished, the two most critical were made by North Yorkshire Police:

The inexcusable failure by North Yorkshire Police to arrest Jaconelli, who was offending openly in Scarborough for over thirty years, which would surely have led them to wind up the vice ring he led in Scarborough, including Savile.
The apparent failure by the Force Intelligence Bureau to pass on the intelligence North Yorkshire Police had undoubtedly developed on Savile during the 2003 paedophile investigation
Although the IPCC have directed that North Yorkshire Police should consider if there are any conduct issues, it has become obvious that no investigation is taking place and it is being stonewalled. I would repeat my request that you ask for officers from another force to conduct this enquiry, given the revelations of collusion by many officers of your force based at Scarborough it is likely to reveal, if conducted impartially.

The silence from North Yorkshire Police on this issue is thunderous.

In July 2012 I received a written demand from Detective Superintendent Pearson to remove all articles on North Yorkshire Police and the former North Yorkshire Police Authority on the basis of alleged inaccuracies in my articles which she was unable to specify. I consider it is a corrupt act for a Police Officer conducting a criminal investigation into a journalist (which transpired to be completely unsupported by any evidence at all) and during which I was formally accused of having “damaged North Yorkshire Police”, to write during that investigation requiring that articles critical of North Yorkshire Police and the Police Authority be removed. The implication being that if I removed the articles, no further action would be taken on the criminal investigation.

It is alleged by many witnesses that Scarborough Council, the police and every schoolboy in Scarborough was completely aware of Jaconelli’s offending. Following on from Detective Superintendent Pearson’s letter, please see below an article on the latest attempts to close down press coverage of the Jaconelli scandal and other matters by Scarborough Council:

http://www.real-whitby.co.uk/attempt...-whitby-update

The leader of Scarborough Council is Councillor Tom Fox, who as Chief Inspector Tom Fox led policing in Scarborough. The Portfolio holder of Scarborough Council’s Legal Department which is leading the effort to close down Real Whitby is Councillor Jane Kenyon, formerly the Chair of the North Yorkshire Police Authority.

The Police and the Police Authority must always be subject to public scrutiny by a free press. I consider the policy of North Yorkshire Police of refusing to comment at all, issue any denial of these grave allegations, or any statement of regret for its failure to arrest Jaconelli and Savile to their victims, is indicative of a closed, defensive, silo mentality. It appears that the senior leadership of your force is unable to accept or admit to any past failing at all and has concentrated its efforts on maintaining its right to silence, and trying intimidate journalists, to prevent any more revelations that are embarrassing and “damage North Yorkshire Police”.

I would call on North Yorkshire Police to make a full and open statement concerning these allegations of collusion by police officers to protect Jaconelli (and by extension Savile), because he was a senior Conservative politician, Mayor and Alderman.

I look forward to your response.

Yours sincerely,

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sorry to interrupt anything, but a little information as to the why senior politicians are not beholden to the legal system, it is what I have been stating all along, this will make you wince, the very word PEOPLE gives you total immunity against the current legal system.

proof that parliament has no affective authority over people, as posted by Britishnick http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256487
Acts of the Union 1706, clearly states 'without any Alteration to the People of this Land in all succeeding Generations'
all ministries, ministers and minsters are religion, from the word [in Latin] religio which means to bind, bondage, slavery.

read the thread [the penny will drop] they have no right to ban their own hanging, they have no right to take children, they have no rights at all out side of Westminster.
and they certainly have no rights stopping you protecting what is YOURS even with the use of force!!
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sorry to interrupt anything, but a little information as to the why senior politicians are not beholden to the legal system, it is what I have been stating all along, this will make you wince, the very word PEOPLE gives you total immunity against the current legal system.
Sorry but this thesis does not stack up, here are some examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...penses_scandal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1424501.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/364174.stm

There is no legal immunity for senior politicians.

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Old 26-09-2013, 06:55 PM   #75773
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Sorry but this thesis does not stack up, here are some examples:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...penses_scandal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1424501.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/364174.stm

There is no legal immunity for senior politicians.
the illusion, did you spend any time inside with one? or do you know anyone who had, before today, claimed that they had , there may be a lot of shills who claim it now it is being questioned, but why did they never come forward before?
your love of media hype and entertainment is starting to show.
I have had success with the "People thing", how do you think I found out that it works ?
http://www.freeyourmindaz.com/upload...-rose-2011.pdf

i really dont know why anyone would believe anything that the mainstream media tells them, lets face it they kept Savile from you all!
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i really dont know why anyone would believe anything that the mainstream media tells them, lets face it they kept Savile from you all!
that was mainly due to the libel laws, NOTW did publish this:


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Old 26-09-2013, 08:25 PM   #75775
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I just bought this:



I will post if I come across anything of relevance.

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I just bought this:



I will post if I come across anything of relevance.
No pic on my PC - can you tell us what it is you've bought? IGNORE as soon as I posted I could see.

I've skipped through this book - not to the end and not in enough detail and I thought it was a good book and v relevant as backdrop to much of what we're looking at so will be interested to hear what you pick out from this - it made me thikn a lot about Rachman and his MO - the gold collateral in form of gold ID bracelets with swiss bank account details inside, when he disappeared off the scene, who'd ever seen him in person - it also made me wonder how/if Windrush changed Savile's gameplan (he used the word spades to Joan Bakewell about who was living in his area of Consort Terrace udring 70s so call me No Shit Sherlock but Savile was also racist - I sense that certain types of immigration fucked with the way he took over towns in a different way to an influx of navy or army personnel e.g. Polaris McAlpine and the ruin of Dunoon in 1960 - 1964 and beyond/ Hungarian revolt in 1957 - and while he was adept at inveigling his way into other cultures/religions as another human power heirarchy to corrupt) -

Also note Rachman was Notting Hill/Paddington which bleeds into Maida Vale/Kilburn/Edgware Road as I was banging on about above in terms of the number of times this small section of London pops up in all of this

(I found Rinkagate the Thorpe scandal and a whole stack of books by John Pilger in a second hand book shop the other day - staggered home with them)

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Old 26-09-2013, 08:43 PM   #75777
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....I find the Ward case really interesting...the author is appearing here by the look of it :


http://therestisnoise.southbankcentr...xplore/1960s#1

...Honeytrap by Anthony Summers & Steven Dorill was hitherto the best book on this...interested what new stuff he's got...( FYI its An English Affair by Richard Davenport Hines )

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that was mainly due to the libel laws, NOTW did publish this:

I have no doubt there are lots of pictures with Savile and children, in saying that it would not surprise me if you could find a picture of children with Sooty, a picture, in no way exposed savile as a predatory paedophile,

this will be my last post on this forum, I have stated enough and still people can not see the obvious, this is my 1666 post, a little synchronicity is in order, all those who consider themselves persons, and not people, are legally dead, therefore it is totally impossible to do them any more harm, do with them as you please as they can no longer be hurt. you do not have to believe me, so I offer proof, this legislation was last used in a court in the 1950's and it is still given a copywrite stamp to keep it up to date,
please take the time to read it and know its implications are precisely as I state
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Stephen Ward himself on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dcIxHW7_yE

Interesting comments too

Sarah W 1 month ago

'Christine Keeler did not sleep with prince Phillip! She has been completely honest in her book. She slept with a lot of people but not him - she just named someone else who did and confirmed he paid his illegitimate son,s way through school - Glyndebourne I think.'
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'If Keeler had slept with prince Phillip she'd be dead. Ward was murdered because he KNEW too much about the Astors and the Cliveden set.'
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Old 26-09-2013, 09:54 PM   #75780
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....I find the Ward case really interesting...the author is appearing here by the look of it :


http://therestisnoise.southbankcentr...xplore/1960s#1

...Honeytrap by Anthony Summers & Steven Dorill was hitherto the best book on this...interested what new stuff he's got...( FYI its An English Affair by Richard Davenport Hines )
Semper - this link also which you brought to our attention (thankyou kindly) - contains amazing info and connections -including Ward/profumo/The Duck and more

hope you don't mind if I post the link?

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/v...p?f=26&t=31872

A lot to read -some dark info - but all very relevant to what has been discussed throughout these pages.
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