How come we are told that anti-biotics don't stop viral infections ?

[jake_ball]

For example, someone I know, their young child had been poorly for well over a month (I wont go into any detail regardling the illness), and they kept going to the hospital (within that month) and were told by the hospital that the illness was due to a virus (ie. not bacterial) and therefore could not be treated with anti-biotics. So the kid remained ill.

They went back to the hospital again after having the illness for over a month, and the hospital said "ok, this is going on too long this illness, so we will have to give anti-biotics"....and guess what the kid got better straight away.

So what the fuck is THAT about ?

[elshaper]

It means, it wasn't a virus infection then.

[jake_ball]

Originally Posted by elshaper

It means, it wasn't a virus infection then.

Does it though ?

[jake_ball]

Another thing, just an observation - It seems that cancer rates (based on what the MSM tell us) has increased pretty much in line with the gradual refusal to give people anti-biotics any more on a mass scale.

[oz93666]

Well , it's a fact that antibiotics only deal with bacteria ... they are useless against viruses.

Generally hospitals don't want to use antibiotics without good reason because bacteria develop resistance , which long term will render them ineffective when really needed .

Perhaps there was some doubt about the cause and the first response was , let's see if it clears up by itself.

It is possible the medication did nothing ... the child and parent believe in the medicine , and so it works.

[jake_ball]

Yes I know the "facts", but I am questioning those facts.

[jake_ball]

Originally Posted by oz93666

Well , it's a fact that antibiotics only deal with bacteria ... they are useless against viruses.

Generally hospitals don't want to use antibiotics without good reason because bacteria develop resistance , which long term will render them ineffective when really needed .

Perhaps there was some doubt about the cause and the first response was , let's see if it clears up by itself.

It is possible the medication did nothing ... the child and parent believe in the medicine , and so it works.

It wasnt a placebo effect. It was very real. Anti-biotics are a miracle drug.

[elshaper]

Originally Posted by jake_ball

Does it though ?

In my simpleton understanding that virus infection cannot be cured by anti-biotics because they are for bacterial infection. Virus infection's symptom could be treated/managed by various medication but not to eliminate it from the system. Hence virus infection could be managed to the point that it stays domant in the body until such time it could be activated due to one's immune condition etc.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by jake_ball

For example, someone I know, their young child had been poorly for well over a month (I wont go into any detail regardling the illness), and they kept going to the hospital (within that month) and were told by the hospital that the illness was due to a virus (ie. not bacterial) and therefore could not be treated with anti-biotics. So the kid remained ill.

They went back to the hospital again after having the illness for over a month, and the hospital said "ok, this is going on too long this illness, so we will have to give anti-biotics"....and guess what the kid got better straight away.

So what the fuck is THAT about ?

had the young child recently received any vaccines?

[jake_ball]

Originally Posted by iamawaveofthesea

had the young child recently received any vaccines?

Probably yes.

[iamawaveofthesea]

Originally Posted by jake_ball

Probably yes.

Then it might be worth considering that this mysterious illness that went on for over a month, that the hospital didn't want to treat with antibiotics may have been the result of complications caused by the vaccine(s)

[Sabrina]

They are trying to avoid giving antibiotics because they know they may need them in a life or death situation and they may not work if you become resistent.

However some doctors dish them out like sweets - my doctors do - I avoid doctors unless I can't get rid of something by natural methods.

[jake_ball]

Originally Posted by Sabrina

They are trying to avoid giving antibiotics because they know they may need them in a life or death situation and they may not work if you become resistent.

However some doctors dish them out like sweets - my doctors do - I avoid doctors unless I can't get rid of something by natural methods.

I already know the narrative. Thanks.

[Sabrina]

Originally Posted by jake_ball

I already know the narrative. Thanks.

You're welcome

[starstuff]

This isn't a full explanation because my knowledge is about twenty five years out of date and my recollection is a little fuzzy. More accurate information is readily available online if you want to look it up for yourself.

Bacterial infections are caused by bacteria. Bacteria are single celled organisms. They're basically tiny blobs of liquid that contains a bunch of stuff including DNA, inside a small bag. The bag is called the cell wall/cell membrane. It's made of a bunch of fats and proteins that form specific structures that allow certain molecules to pass in and out of the cell.

Antibiotics (at least some of them) work by targetting these structures and break them down, ripping the "bag" open and spilling the contents out, ie killing the bacteria.

Viruses are completely different organisms. They don't have a cell wall, or any liquid that needs to be kept separate from the host cell's liquid, they're just DNA (or RNA in some cases), and so there's nothing there for the antibiotic to attack, no cell wall that can be broken, nothing to kill.

So, you can't clear up a viral infection with antibiotics because there's no bacteria present for the antibiotics to have an effect on. You can, however, take antibiotics to clear up a secondary infection, if a viral infection has caused sufficient weakness in the person's immune system that they've gone on to develop a bacterial infection as well as the initial viral infection. This may be what happened in the case you mention.

[jake_ball]

Originally Posted by starstuff

This isn't a full explanation because my knowledge is about twenty five years out of date and my recollection is a little fuzzy. More accurate information is readily available online if you want to look it up for yourself.

Bacterial infections are caused by bacteria. Bacteria are single celled organisms. They're basically tiny blobs of liquid that contains a bunch of stuff including DNA, inside a small bag. The bag is called the cell wall/cell membrane. It's made of a bunch of fats and proteins that form specific structures that allow certain molecules to pass in and out of the cell.

Antibiotics (at least some of them) work by targetting these structures and break them down, ripping the "bag" open and spilling the contents out, ie killing the bacteria.

Viruses are completely different organisms. They don't have a cell wall, or any liquid that needs to be kept separate from the host cell's liquid, they're just DNA (or RNA in some cases), and so there's nothing there for the antibiotic to attack, no cell wall that can be broken, nothing to kill.

So, you can't clear up a viral infection with antibiotics because there's no bacteria present for the antibiotics to have an effect on. You can, however, take antibiotics to clear up a secondary infection, if a viral infection has caused sufficient weakness in the person's immune system that they've gone on to develop a bacterial infection as well as the initial viral infection. This may be what happened in the case you mention.

Could be right. Thanks.
Hard for any of us to prove either way.

[blue2]

Biotics means pertaining to life so you can now understand the anti part too.
Big Pharma drugs are synthetic and not designed to cure and neither is root caustive effects put into operation. Often misdiagnoses guess work is the norm.
Only Medical Herbalists and Homeopaths and Naturopathic Drs use Holistic approach to dis-ease. Antibiotics do damage to gut thus rendering our natural Macrophage production that naturally gets rid and gobble up any bad bacterias thus it is killed off by antibiotics..Thou Salt Do No Harm is no longer it seems within the medical profession. Pre Biotics should be used before Probiotics too. Viruses leave behind Parasites so it's important for humans each six months to de- parasitize, just as with dogs and cats, to implement herbals parasite cleanses like the Master Herbalist Dr Schulze herbal treatments.

[TheArranger]

Genetics has been the latest medical mythology coined to replace the worn out and too much questioned bacteriology. After what I read here we now get to the point where the public confuses metabolic with computer 'viruses' and it tells a lot...

you're sold anti-viruses the exact same way as you're sold vaccines, first and overall to make money, then because it allows to access your metabolism through a needle like your computer through an internet connection... the needle bypasses your body's natural defenses like your anti-virus has full access to your computer thanks to updates, and you're made believe it's respectively for your physical health and your virtual privacy, with 'security' as a general and obsessional selling argument...

please don't add-up to the mystification by patching-up home-made theories about a pseudo-science that's always been lie in its whole... just consider and never forget what it's all about : making sales... viruses, bacteria, microbes and the like are all the same : scarecrows waved at the public's face to support a billions dollars making industry...

[cosmicpurpose1.618]

Originally Posted by jake_ball

For example, someone I know, their young child had been poorly for well over a month (I wont go into any detail regardling the illness), and they kept going to the hospital (within that month) and were told by the hospital that the illness was due to a virus (ie. not bacterial) and therefore could not be treated with anti-biotics. So the kid remained ill.

They went back to the hospital again after having the illness for over a month, and the hospital said "ok, this is going on too long this illness, so we will have to give anti-biotics"....and guess what the kid got better straight away.

So what the fuck is THAT about ?

This is not my experience at all.

The last time I visited a clinic with an infection I was prescribed anti-biotics immediately.