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"The rose has been in use by the Christian Church for millennia, in connection with the Cross symbolism. The term rosary, which means “garland of roses”, "

"In Christian symbolism the five petaled rose represents the five wounds of Christ,"

http://www.golden-dawn.org/fivepetaledrose.html

And of course we have the Rosicrucians.

Seems Venus the planet and the goddess is some secret link between all things weird. Venus is associated with sex. People bathed in venus vibrations would probably become quite sexually active. Explains a lot about this planet. I wonder if we were free of this energy would we lose our sexual appetites?
Perhaps it depends on whether you contact a higher or lower aspect of venus. Most people just experience the energy in a very coarse sense because they havent refined their sense of love and just limit it to sex generally.
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Perhaps it depends on whether you contact a higher or lower aspect of venus. Most people just experience the energy in a very coarse sense because they havent refined their sense of love and just limit it to sex generally.
I got this idea... this brother of Kate is creepy.... he makes me think of an incarnation of Jack the Ripper

There was a new TV Show -Time after time -that was stopped after only 5 episodes (despite being very interesting IMO). The Kack the Ripper character stealing the time machine of HG Wells and travelling to our time... who knows? hidden in plain sight
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On Monday I was discussing the meaning of the word Rosslyn. My internet time ended before I could mention roses. Interesting that the first victim of the Manchester bombing was called Saffie ROSE ROUSSOS. The rose is of course sacred to the planet venus and the goddess. Roussos means red. She was eight and the youngest victim and eight is a number connected to the ripper and the planet venus. Here's the picture that has been circulated on the media of her.


A red rose top and the collar is decidedly rose like.

She was from Leyland (leylines?) which is in Lancashire. Here's the emblem for Lancashire.


A red rose. Venus. The bomb went off during Ariana Grande's DANGEROUS WOMAN tour. An apt name for venus.

I was on teletext scanning the names of the victims when I heard the word Whitechapel. The channel I was on happened to be showing a documentary about the construction of the underground system under whitechapel.

The bomb was set off by a follower of Isis. Another name for Venus.

Rose is an anagram of eros, the greek god of love and son of Venus. Coincidence? Roses have thorns. Another anagram of rose is sore. So we have love and pain. Jesus was crowned with thorns. and Of course we have Damian Thorn the antichrist.

Then we have Rosemary's Baby. A film about a woman being raped by the devil so she can give birth to his baby. Rose(symbol of venus) Mary(symbol of venus)

Directed by Roman Polanski. WHo is living in exile because of child rape accusations. Surely Illuminati.

Roses are usually red when associated with romance (roman-ce.) red is the lowest colour in the spectrum and Icke points out that the Illuminati love red and use it in their activicties. Satan is often depicted in red clothing.

"Red is the color of extremes. It’s the color of passionate love, seduction, violence, danger, anger, and adventure. Our prehistoric ancestors saw red as the color of fire and blood – energy and primal life forces – and most of red’s symbolism today arises from its powerful associations in the past."

http://www.colormatters.com/the-meanings-of-colors/red

Love and violence. Eros and sore.

Another flower associated with venus is the lily. An image used by royalty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis



"The fleur-de-lis (plural: fleurs-de-lis)[pron 1] or flower-de-luce is a stylized lily (in French, fleur means "flower", and lis means "lily")"

Lis means lily. Not far from Liz. Elizabeth. The name of the queen.
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"There are additional meanings of the bee that the Mystery traditions have left us. We cannot hope to exhaust the meanings of this symbol, but we may at least make a start. Bees are often considered a symbol of the Goddess or Divine Feminine because they are ruled by queens. In particular, they are associated with the goddess Venus because part of their labor is the indirect fertilization of flowers, all of which come under the dominion of Venus."

http://www.polarissite.net/symbolism-of-the-bee.html

Venus is associated with bees. and we find stone beehives in Rossyln Chapel amongst other venus symbols. bees are matriarchal. Lead by a queen. I wonder if ultimately the Illuminati are lead by a queen and not a king.

What does all this mean? Why would someone as evil as the Illuminati venerate love? AS Icke points out what we call love is not true love. It's a bad copy of true love. If there were no love on this planet society would crumble. The Illuminati don't want that(right now) They see themselves as replacing God. I wonder if love comes from the planet Venus. Maybe Icke needs to see that all the planets are creating our reality and not just Saturn. They probably influenced our dna as we were evolving and continue to affect and effect us.
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"Early roses had only five petals, and legend says the original color was always white. The ancient Greeks believed that roses turned red when Venus chased after her lover, Adonis, and pricked her finger on a thorny bush in her haste to reach him. According to Christian documents, the blood of the crucified Christ spilled down onto a white rosebush growing at the foot of the cross and ever afterwards, rose blossoms were red instead of white."

"The rose was beloved of the mother of our order, Isis." (another name for Venus)

"In a famous speech delivered May 10, 1785, the Comte de Cagliostro, the founder of Egyptian masonry, declared that the Rose-Cross is the ancient and true symbol of the Mysteries. So the emblematic significance of the rose comes very close to us as masons."

" Interestingly enough, the flower sacred to Venus became the flower of that very nonsexual demigoddess we call the Virgin Mary: she is called the Rosa mystica in medieval texts. "

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Actually many hunters do butcher their kills outdoors. Surgeons never work in the dark
Outdoors IN THE DAY TIME. And being a war surgeon Donston would have had to work at night or at least in dim light.

And how many hunters do you think there were in Whitechapel in 1888? Hunting was mainly done by poachers(hunting small game like fish and birds) and the rich kind who hunt lions in Africa or the occasional pheasant on their estates. I wonder if you could learn human anatomy from animals. And your average rich hunter wouldn't do the butchery himself. He would have a manservant to do that.

The killer specifically took a kidney(which had been preserved in alcohol. The sort of thing a doctor would do. Would a hunter bother to do this?) when killing a deer would you aim for the kidneys? I doubt it. You would gut the animal completely and then take the kidneys from what you had taken out.

The killer knew about occultism and magic. He took body parts(very uncommon in serial killers - I can only think of three or four who have done that - Bundy, Dalmer, Shawcross and the ripper)

Do you think your average poacher would have this knowledge? Maybe there was a toff hunter and occultist running around whitechapel. Maybe he liked to butcher his kills. But as there are no suspects that fit the bill it is pointless theorising about it. Donston identified the killers pattern as the vesica piscis. There are clear signs that that was the case. Even though the death pattern did not obviously mean the vesica piscis. How did he come to this conclusion then? Because he knew more than he was letting on. He was either the ripper or was in on it.
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http://www.blumhouse.com/2015/12/09/...osemarys-baby/

While producing Rosemary's baby William Castle developed kidney stones. The kidney is associated with Venus.

"Castle began experiencing excruciating groin pain from a blockage in his urinary tract. Over the course of a few months, his kidney stones recurred again and again, debilitating Castle with each attack. During one of his frequent trips to the emergency room, a delirious Castle is said to have called out, “Rosemary, for God’s sake, drop the knife!”"

"While Castle was in and out of hospitals with kidney stones, Rosemary’s curse claimed its first life: Composer Krzysztof Komeda. Komeda was a pioneer of European jazz and Polanski’s go-to composer. He crafted ROSEMARY’s eerie score, including penning “Rosemary’s Lullaby,” the unforgettable melody sung in the movie by Mia Farrow. But Komeda would never score a film after ROSEMARY’S BABY. A few months after the film was released, Komeda died of a cerebral hemorrhage. He was only 38"

"His death may seem like a coincidence, but consider this: Komeda died of the very thing that kills Rosemary’s friend Hutch in the film. Like Hutch’s fictional death, the cause of Komeda’s deadly blood clot is murky. "

"On August 9, 1969, ROSEMARY’S BABY was still playing in theaters, and Tate and three of her high-class friends were enjoying a dinner party at the Benedict Canyon house she shared with Polanski. Tate, eight-months pregnant, was entertaining hairdresser-to-the-stars Jay Sebring, coffee heiress Katie Folger, and screenwriter Wojciech Frykowski. Polanski was out of the country, an ocean away from the horrors about to befall the love of his life.

Shortly after midnight, Tex Watson and a gaggle of drug-fueled hippy chicks pulled up to Tate and Polanski’s house at 10050 Cielo Drive. Their personal messiah Charles Manson had ordered them to “do something witchy,” and the gang of maniacs was about to make Charlie proud.

Tex and company crawled through the dark yard, silently cut the mansion’s phone lines, and burst into the house. “I’m the devil, and I’m here to do the devil’s business,” Watson announced to the terrified heiresses and celebrities. Then the Manson Gang set to their terrible work.

In all, the four victims were stabbed 102 times. Tate was the last to die. According to the Mansons, her last moments were spent pleading for her unborn child’s life and calling for her mother. Manson girl Susan Atkins, once a follower of famous Satanist Anton LaVey, stabbed Tate to death, drank her blood, and used it to scrawl “PIG” on the walls of the mansion."

"According to Manson, himself, the family’s ultimate motivation was to foment a race war by pinning random murders on The Black Panthers. Satan didn’t really figure into it. Charlie says they got the idea from hidden messages contained in The Beatles’ White Album. Which brings us to…"

"Built in 1884, New York’s distinctive, gothic-looking Dakota was the shooting location of ROSEMARY’S BABY, although it was renamed “The Bramford” for the movie. In real life, John Lennon and Yoko Ono lived in an apartment at the Dakota until a crazed fan met Lennon outside the Dakota in 1980. Much like Manson and his family,"

What this site doesn't mention is that in Rosemary's baby they talk about a man being shot outside the hotel. Lennon was shot outside that hotel.
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Venus was originally Aphrodite.

"In the most famous version of her myth, her birth was the consequence of a castration: Cronus severed Uranus' genitals and threw them behind him into the sea. The foam from his genitals gave rise to Aphrodite (hence her name, meaning "foam-arisen"),"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite

Cronus is another name for Saturn, much written about by icke. The rose was also associated with Aphrodite.

"Rose (especially any fragrant rose), quince, myrtle, mint and grape (fruit, leaves, and vines), apples, artichokes, laurel, ash and poplar trees "

Grapes are associated with Aphrodite(venus) one of the ripper victims was said to have been found with grapes in her hand. If you were being strangled would you hold onto a bunch of grapes? No you'd drop them. They must have been placed in her hand after death as a symbol.

"The Evening News reported Elizabeth Stride also had grapes in her right hand claiming a man seen with Stride earlier had purchased grapes from a local vendor. Even though police reports stated two private detectives found grape stems in the debris swept from the site of the murder, the clue was dismissed as unimportant. (It is thought grapes were quite expensive during that time period and an unfortunate would not have access to them unless a wealthy person were to provide them)"

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"Vinalia Rustica (August 19), originally a rustic Latin festival of wine, vegetable growth and fertility. This was almost certainly Venus' oldest festival and was associated with her earliest known form, Venus Obsequens. Kitchen gardens and market-gardens, and presumably vineyards were dedicated to her.[47] Roman opinions differed on whose festival it was. Varro insists that the day was sacred to Jupiter, whose control of the weather governed the ripening of the grapes; but the sacrificial victim, a female lamb (agna), may be evidence that it once belonged to Venus alone.[48][49]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_(mythology)
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Some have been specualting why the number 22 comes up so often in relation to the Manchester bombing. The killer was 22, 22 people died, it happened on the 22nd and around 10pm(22:00 in the 24 hour clock)

I had noticed this but couldn't see a link to Venus. Then it struck me. What is the 22nd letter of the alphabet? I knew it had to be V and it is. V for Venus.

I went home after figuring that out and what do I find stood outside my house? A four foot tall plastic white rose bush! I think it was a lamp because it had a flex. I looked out the window five minutes later and it was gone. I had been lucky to see it.

Later that day I watched a tv program and they were honouring Manchester by putting up images of bees. It turns out that's an image associated with the city and is also a symbol of Venus.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....attoo-11793163
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"Ishtar is the Babylonian Goddess of love and war, embodied in the two aspects of the planet Venus—as Evening Star,"

"As Goddess of war, Ishtar takes part in battle and is shown standing on the back of a lion bearing bow and arrows. She was known for a fiery and fickle temper which usually spelled doom for Her lovers"

http://www.thaliatook.com/AMGG/ishtar.php

Seems there is a definite dark side to Venus exploited by the ripper.

"Rabbi Chezkiah opened [his discourse] and said: "It is written: 'As a rose among the thorns, so is my beloved amongst the daughters'. (Songs 2:2) Who is the rose? This refers to 'Knesset Yisrael' - the Collective soul roots of Israel, malchut. (For there is one level of a rose and there is another level of a rose.) Just as a rose, which is found amidst the thorns, has within it the colors red and white, also Knesset Yisrael has within her both judgment and loving kindness. Just as a rose has in it thirteen petals, so too Knesset Yisrael has within her thirteen paths of mercy which surround her from all her sides. (Zohar I, Intro. pg 1)"

http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/artic...the-Thorns.htm

"Venus in Fur (French: La Vénus à la fourrure) is a 2013 French drama film directed by Roman Polanski. It is based on the play of the same name by American playwright David Ives, which itself was inspired by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch's novel Venus in Furs.[2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_in_Fur_(film)

Meaning of the word rose...


"Originally a Norman form of a Germanic name, which was composed of the elements hrod "fame" and heid "kind, sort, type". The Normans introduced it to England in the forms Roese and Rohese. From an early date it was associated with the word for the fragrant flower rose (derived from Latin rosa). When the name was revived in the 19th century, it was probably with the flower in mind."

https://www.behindthename.com/name/rose

Hrod meaning fame is also the beginning of Robert Hrodbert. Donston was originally called Robert. It's aslo a fact that you can get the rose from his name Robert Stephenson.

"The geometric construction of the kabbalistic Tree of Life begins with the Vesica Piscis."

http://sacredgeometryinternational.c...acred-geometry
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No mystery. Elite level sacrifices carried out with the aid of the media and local constabulary. They dissected those women for specific organs to eat. It's the forerunner, archetypal case in recent history to cases now where the victims are always prostitutes and it's found to be a lone wolf killer stretched over many years and a small geographical area.

Which are also BS and require the collusion of the media and local constabulary.

They were simpler times in the "Ripper's" day. No internet, no free press, much easier to control people with scary stories.
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Great info in this thread bob, good job.
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Great info in this thread bob, good job.
Thanks. I'm sending all this info to Icke.

Saw a documentary about JFK. He died on the 22 (v for venus) His wife Jackiewhen landing in Texas was given a bouquet of RED ROSES.

"Three times that day in Texas we were greeted with bouquets of the yellow roses of Texas, only in Dallas they gave me red roses,I remember thinking, how funny- red roses for me"

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/in...-roses-for-me/



When he was shot there were yellow roses in the car.

yellow

While in Victorian times, the yellow rose symbolized jealousy, today it represents friendship, joy and caring. A bouquet of these sun-filled blossoms conveys warmth, gladness and affection.

The yellow rose also symbolises the sun. Some have said that the killing is a ritual concerned with the killing of the sun king.

This refutes the yellow roses being in the car.

"3. The red roses Jackie Kennedy was holding when her husband was shot. The First Lady was given yellow roses everywhere else they stopped in Texas, but she was given a bouquet of red roses by the Dallas mayor's wife. When the shots rang out in Dealey Plaza, the roses got scattered as she scrambled over the back of the car trying to get a piece of her husband's head. The car was covered in blood and red roses."

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/fiv...nt-see-6751090

I saw an image of yellow roses myself on the documentary.

This is worth reading...

http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.co...-of-texas.html

He was killed in Dealey plaza. De'il(pronounced deal) is an old name for the devil.

DEVIL/DIVEL/DE'IL AMONG THE TAYLORS/TAILORS [1]. AKA and see "Devil's Dream (1)" (New). Scottish, English, Irish,

http://tunearch.org/wiki/Annotation:...ilors_(1)_(The)

This site confirms it but will not allow me to quote.


http://www.scotsman.com/heritage/peo...evil-1-4036693

"DEIL, n. The Gen.Sc. form of Eng. devil. Found also in n.Eng. dial. Also diel, deel. In usages peculiar to Sc. devil is also exemplified. Cf. Deevil.
[dil (see P.L.D. § 70.1)]

I. As in Eng. = The Devil, but in Sc. indicating esp. a familiar or humorous personification of the spirit of mischief."

http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/deil_n
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A little more about the most prominent Manchester bomb victim Saffie Rose Rousses. Saffie comes from Saffron.

"In Egypt, Queen Cleopatra used it before any meetings with men because it was considered an aphrodisiac. In addition, Zeus slept on a bed made of saffron, and Roman families would sprinkle it on the beds of new couples. Roman women also used it as mascara and to dye robes."

https://www.elephantjournal.com/2013...enielle-lyons/


"Saffron is associated with Eos and with Venus and Aphrodite. It is also associated with the Sun and Mars, Leo and fire. For centuries, saffron has been associated with wealth, power and rarity. This makes it an excellent offering for any deity and is a traditional ingredient in crescent moon cakes made in honor of the Phoenician Goddess "

http://www.witchipedia.com/herb:saffron

It all ties in to venus.

Saffron comes from the crocus.

"All crocuses were sacred to Demeter & Persephone, with the Saffron symbolic of the death of the world, the white-crocused mantle being snow upon Demeter's sad shoulders, & spring's Golden Crocus representing the joy of Demeter. Of these, however, only the deathly Saffron Crocus "

http://www.paghat.com/saffronmyth.html
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In May 1979, two vice squad police officers arrested a woman for soliciting in Moss Side. Taking her to a local police station, they initially said they wished to photograph her in the nude. She refused. She was then driven to wasteland and the officers demanded sexual intercourse. At first she refused. One of the police officers said 'Unless you let us do it, you'll end up dead and we'll make it look like a Yorkshire Ripper job.'
She allowed them both to have sex. The two men were dismissed from the force, the Director of Public Prosecution having decided to take no action.
Am I right in thinking the only verified body part was sent to the head of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee? Almost like a "Wanna play with the big boys?" message!
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Am I right in thinking the only verified body part was sent to the head of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee? Almost like a "Wanna play with the big boys?" message!
And the guy, Lusk, was a BUILDER. Code for mason.

The other day I read in the news that a zookeeper was killed by a Tiger. At the exact same time in USA TIGER Woods was arrested for driving while drunk in the city of JUPITER.

I know how to read synchronicity and this looked odd. I knew that when they released the name of the dead zookeeper it would be Rose. It turned out to be Rosa King.

Last night I saw a film called BURNING BRIGHT about a brother and sister being stalked by a tiger. The tiger was called Lucifer. The kid in the film had a violent aversion to the colour RED. Red for Venus.

"Keeping certain gemstones will help incorporate Jupiter’s energy. Citrine, Topaz, Tiger Eye, and Sapphire will help with prosperity, wisdom, confidence, and luck."

http://www.sunsigns.org/jupiter-symbol-meanings/

And three people have been found dead in John Lennon's Liverpool flat. Just a few days after I posted up that he was killed outside his hotel.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-40099397
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The committee was set up by local businessmen who were concerned that the killings were affecting commerce in the area.

"drawn principally from the trading class, and include a builder, a cigar-manufacturer, a tailor, a picture-frame maker, a licensed victualler, and 'an actor.'"
Victual = liquor. On the face of it, I can't see that any of those businesses would be much affected. Though maybe their main customers were Street Walkers? At night.

Notable that they employed their own patrols and 2 private detectives. They also offered a reward for information after failing to persuade the Government to.
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Saw a woman wearing a t shirt with the words "Veni, Vidi Vici" on it. I noticed how similar VENI is to VENUS. Veni means " I came". And what do we call it when we orgasm? Coming. Venus was the goddess of sex. Weird.

The symbol for the planet venus is...



The ripper killings make a possible cross like in the symbol. So where is the circle? At the top of the cross in the killings the victim had strange mutilations to her eyes. The eyes are round. There you have the circle completing the venus symbol.
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Been another little girl on the news who was at the ariana grande concert. She met Ariana. She was 8(number connected to venus and the ripper) and was called Lily, a flower connected to venus.

Also on Saturday I went to look at the vesica piscis(symbol of venus) fountain in Hull. I noticed some flowers nearby. They were for Manchester(a venus event) felt the need to go into the Ferens art gallery nearby. Went straight to the picture of Jesus that they recently bought for a large sum. There's a symbol of venus in it.

https://www.hull2017.co.uk/whatson/events/lorenzetti/

See the guy on the left? He's holding a sword with a looped pommel. The cross is the sword and the hoop forms the symbol of venus.

The symbol for venus is very similar to the ban the bomb symbol.



Another symbol of venus is the apple. When you cut an apple in half you see a pentagram(symbol venus) in it. Why do we assume that adam and eve ate an apple when the bible does not specify what fruit they ate?

You also have apple computers.

The recent terrorist event in London happened at 22:00. 22nd letter is V for Venus. Isis claimed responsibility. Isis is another name for venus. I got a message about the evnt before it happened. A guy called Philip Shard was hit by lightning when he was playing golf. The name shard struck a chord. The London event happened in the shadow of the building known as the shard.

V in Roman numerals is five a number connected to Venus and the ripper killings.

JFK had a rose named after him.

A number associated with the vesica piscis is 153. The fifteenth letter is O and the third is C. OC. The first letters of the word ocean.
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The Egyptian ankh. Same shape as the symbol for venus.



a symbol of life. Also, so I read in a book on Masonic symbology, a symbol denoting the mixing of feminine and masculine.

Also..
"There have been alternative suggestions. One of the earliest proposals was that of Thomas Inman, first published in 1869, according to which the symbol combines "the male triad and the female unit".[6] E. A. Wallis Budge (1904) postulated that the symbol originated as the belt buckle of the mother goddess Isis.[7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankh

Isis is of course another name for Venus.

Here is the symbol being worn by Death in Neil Gaiman's comic book SANDMAN.



Here is Churchill showing the V. V for victory? Or Venus?



The names of the culprits of the London attack are coming out...

"A second man, 30-year-old Moroccan-Libyan Rachid Redouane, was named by police as one of the other two attackers."

Red. The colour of venus.
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