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Default London tower block inferno

RT have a camera crew on the ground. All that is know ATM is that it is 20 floors and that people were trapped inside..

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Old 14-06-2017, 04:15 AM   #2
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'LIKE HELL ON EARTH' Grenfell Tower fire: Huge blaze rips through 24-storey residential tower in London’s Ladbroke Grove with families trapped inside screaming for help

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/379491...m-raging-fire/
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Appears to be a residential tower in london... not at all clear how a fire could spread through concrete floors to higher levels ...





The Grenfell Tower fire is a large fire that started shortly before 1 a.m. on 14 June 2017 at the 27-storey Grenfell Tower apartment block in North Kensington, West London. It is being attended to by at least 200 firefighters and 40 fire engines, but the fire has not been contained. It was reported that people may have been trapped in the fire.[2] The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, declared the fire a "major incident...

Grenfell Tower was completed in 1974.[3] In 2015-2016, the concrete structure received new windows and new cladding with thermal insulation. It has 120 apartments.[4]
In July 2009, a fatal fire occurred at a high-rise block in Camberwell. Three women and three children were killed and more than 20 were injured. Firefighters had expressed shock at the rapid spread and ferocity of the blaze with some suggesting a major construction flaw was present in other high-rise buildings in London.[5]
In November 2016 a residents organisation, Grenfell Action Group, published an article on their website accusing the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea of ignoring health and safety legislation. They accused the council landlord of being an "evil, unprincipled, mini-mafia" and of misconduct regarding voting at annual general meetings. The Group also suggested "the Grenfell Action Group firmly believe that only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord". The group has frequently published articles criticising poor fire safety and maintenance at Grenfell Tower. They also revealed that residents had been urged by the landlord and council in newsletters and by notices to stay in their flats in the event of a fire.[6]...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire

Already other threads on this news item ... might be good to close them and keep everything here , tealady was first out of the traps...

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Old 14-06-2017, 05:26 AM   #5
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Default London tower block inferno - Grenfell Tower

'A 24-story tower block on Latimer Road in west London has been engulfed in a horrifying blaze, with reports saying people have been trapped in flats in the upper stories.
The massive fire has engulfed the Grenfell Tower in North Kensington from the 2nd story to the top floor, the London Fire Brigade has tweeted. It added that at least 40 fire engines and 200 firefighters have been battling the blaze...

The fire, which broke out at around 1am, is believed to have started on the 4th floor, reportedly due to a faulty fridge, RT UK’s correspondent Eisa Ali reports from the scene.
The building has a history of fire safety violations and residents have been complaining about improper and outdated safety standards as recently as last year, Ali said.
London’s Mayor Sadiq Khan has declared the fire a “major incident.”'

RT - https://www.rt.com/uk/392135-west-london-tower-inferno/



It seems a lot of money recently has been spent on a refurbishment of Grenfell Tower and it seems many people have been complaining about the quality of health and safety. For such a large amount of money to be spent on a refurb why would something like health and safety be overlooked if in fact all that money was spent?



Then the coincidence of a fire engulfing the building after people complaining about improper health and safety standards?





As you can see theres some discrepancies with the figures provided from various sources.

Following this incident I would be demanding receipts of the costs to determine what work has been carried out recently by means of Freedom of Information Act, especially should people be injured or have died as a result of this negligence at the possibility of others cutting corners and syphoning off money that should of been spent on preventing this incident.


Furthermore something which people should keep in mind is also the politics involved here of the desire to build upon Green space opposite Grenfell Tower which some people are against yet as a result of this incident the possibility of that going ahead without question and this situation further exploited to achieve that goal.

'The Grenfell Action Group was formed in 2010 to oppose the Kensington Academy and Leisure Centre development which we considered, and still consider, to be a gross overdevelopment of an inappropriate site that would involve the destruction of Lancaster Green, one of the few local green spaces, and the only residential amenity space available for the residents of the immediately adjacent Grenfell Tower. We were, and still are, committed to defending the rights of the residents of Lancaster West Estate, a sprawling, inner-city, social housing complex of nearly a thousand dwellings, mostly working class, multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. Our community is located in North Kensington in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. Our blog has recorded, and continues to record, our struggle and we hope will remain as evidence for future generations of how our community has been mis-treated by RBKC and its social housing management agents the Kensington & Chelsea TMO (KCTMO).

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For more here: https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/about/

Certainly something seems shady about the whole situation and whatever's going on those that could have possibly prevented this incident should be held accountable and this incident not be used as a means to build upon green space as a result which would be equally exploitational.

Hopefully this information may come to some use for someone at a later date if such injustices are taking place here and can be proven. For some reason the fact that a lot of money has recently been spent on renovating this place has been kept out of the initial report of this incident but the fact that it has had this money supposedly spent on it and this fire taking place which could be due to health and safety standards is something that's worth questioning and speculating upon why the apparent outlay of all this money and apparent failures in health and safety which should of been addressed?


I wonder if it has also recently just been insured for terrorism/arson?

Always strange when something like that happens and such activity takes place shortly after such as 911 and no one likes talking about those particular facts, as it brings about questions...
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"14 June 2017
05:32 GMT

The London Ambulance Service says is has taken 30 patients to five adjacent hospitals following the fire in West London, and 20 ambulance crews as well as trauma and hazardous area response teams are now operating in the vicinity of the Grenfell Tower. "

https://www.rt.com/uk/392138-west-lo...r-block-blaze/
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Man on the TV says it was just before 1 o clock that his neighbour came banging on his door and alerted him. Apparently his fridge had exploded so this is where the fire started from. He said there was smoke and he just got his wife and kids out. This was on fourth floor, Flat 16.
Another evacuated woman was very specific that she got up 'to pee' at 1.10am and heard something and looked out. Again smoke in the stairwell but I didn't catch what floor she was on.
No smoke alarms or fire alarms because no-one is saying the alarm woke them up! Fire seems to have reached blazing within a very short space of time. And still burning six hours later! Fire doors? Sprinkler system? A fire of this magnitude from an electrical appliance is very disturbing. Heads should roll.
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Horrific.


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Old 14-06-2017, 07:19 AM   #13
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I hope that by a miracle there are no more deaths than the ones already reported as jumpers.
Terrible tragedy...... the perceived value of land in London all the big council estates are getting shut down and residents moved out never to return. Look at the Aylesbury estate at the elephant.
They'll take a lot of time to redevelop this land on the guise of health and safety must be looked into and it takes 5 years by which time all the poor people have gone and the luxury multi million flats and shopping centre and cinema complex will be built in its place.
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Tenant being interviewed on the news. He said someone came to the flats last week saying they (council?) wanted to put gas pipes through the flats and said that people should not agree to this.
He went on to say that work was being done in the stairwells which he assumed was work being done on gas pipes and that the flames last night were very blue which made him think straight away of gas. Gas explosion yet to be confirmed.
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'A 24-story tower block on Latimer Road in west London has been engulfed in a horrifying blaze, with reports saying people have been trapped in flats in the upper stories.
The massive fire has engulfed the Grenfell Tower in North Kensington from the 2nd story to the top floor, the London Fire Brigade has tweeted. It added that at least 40 fire engines and 200 firefighters have been battling the blaze...

The fire, which broke out at around 1am, is believed to have started on the 4th floor, reportedly due to a faulty fridge, RT UK’s correspondent Eisa Ali reports from the scene.
The building has a history of fire safety violations and residents have been complaining about improper and outdated safety standards as recently as last year, Ali said.
London’s Mayor Sadiq Khan has declared the fire a “major incident.”'

RT - https://www.rt.com/uk/392135-west-london-tower-inferno/



It seems a lot of money recently has been spent on a refurbishment of Grenfell Tower and it seems many people have been complaining about the quality of health and safety. For such a large amount of money to be spent on a refurb why would something like health and safety be overlooked if in fact all that money was spent?



Then the coincidence of a fire engulfing the building after people complaining about improper health and safety standards?





As you can see theres some discrepancies with the figures provided from various sources.

Following this incident I would be demanding receipts of the costs to determine what work has been carried out recently by means of Freedom of Information Act, especially should people be injured or have died as a result of this negligence at the possibility of others cutting corners and syphoning off money that should of been spent on preventing this incident.


Furthermore something which people should keep in mind is also the politics involved here of the desire to build upon Green space opposite Grenfell Tower which some people are against yet as a result of this incident the possibility of that going ahead without question and this situation further exploited to achieve that goal.

'The Grenfell Action Group was formed in 2010 to oppose the Kensington Academy and Leisure Centre development which we considered, and still consider, to be a gross overdevelopment of an inappropriate site that would involve the destruction of Lancaster Green, one of the few local green spaces, and the only residential amenity space available for the residents of the immediately adjacent Grenfell Tower. We were, and still are, committed to defending the rights of the residents of Lancaster West Estate, a sprawling, inner-city, social housing complex of nearly a thousand dwellings, mostly working class, multi-cultural and multi-ethnic. Our community is located in North Kensington in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. Our blog has recorded, and continues to record, our struggle and we hope will remain as evidence for future generations of how our community has been mis-treated by RBKC and its social housing management agents the Kensington & Chelsea TMO (KCTMO).

“Revenge is the capitalism of the poor: conserve the original wound, defer immediate gratification, fatten the first insult with new insults, invest and reinvest spite, and keep waiting for the perfect moment to strike back.” Aravind Adiga in “Selection Day”'

For more here: https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/about/

Certainly something seems shady about the whole situation and whatever's going on those that could have possibly prevented this incident should be held accountable and this incident not be used as a means to build upon green space as a result which would be equally exploitational.

Hopefully this information may come to some use for someone at a later date if such injustices are taking place here and can be proven. For some reason the fact that a lot of money has recently been spent on renovating this place has been kept out of the initial report of this incident but the fact that it has had this money supposedly spent on it and this fire taking place which could be due to health and safety standards is something that's worth questioning and speculating upon why the apparent outlay of all this money and apparent failures in health and safety which should of been addressed?


I wonder if it has also recently just been insured for terrorism/arson?

Always strange when something like that happens and such activity takes place shortly after such as 911 and no one likes talking about those particular facts, as it brings about questions...

Horrific - the poor people and pets who may have perished with no hope of escape doesn't bear thinking about.
I think external cladding on a tower block, particularly with air insulation gap may be a additional factor, although not wholly to blame.
At the best of times, tower blocks may cause tumultuous and turbulent air conditions from the slightest of air movement. Should a fire occur, this type of cladding may act as an external flue, regardless of what happens inside the building, thereby accelerating any fire that may occur.
From the photos and videos posted, two things are most obvious;
1) The stairwells and/or lift shafts inside the building may have acted as a chimney allowing a fierce fire to quickly reach upper floors.
2) Apart from a few lower floors, the external cladding has disappeared and burnt off very fast indeed.
In one of the photos there is a shot of the whole of the external structure on one wall face totally in flames.
An exploding fridge should have blown fuses, thus hopefully avoiding fire, but could also indicate a sudden and unexpected peak in electrical supply or interventions elsewhere in the building.
At 1.00 am in the morning sounds suspicious, (even moreso if gas pipes have recently been installed in the stairwells as reported above).
Had this been an electrical fire from an exploding fridge, it would not have reached such a total inferno in such a short space of time, although the speed of acceleration of a fire last night would be very fast due to the warm night, and the fact that many people would naturally have windows open.
With such fast devastation reportedly coming from the fourth floor, but seemingly being able to cause serious damage right down to floor 2 does not seem consistent in my humble opinion.
Questions need to be asked - and many of them.

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Terrible tragedy.

That was a major fire, but the building is standing unlike a much smaller fire in building 7 on 9/11.




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Horrendous news. BBC News Channel has "extended & rolling coverage" of the situation. Neighbour of exploding fridge person is now on air giving a long interview.

Grenfell Action Group blog: https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/ ... worth putting here for reference.
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Horrendous news. BBC News Channel has "extended & rolling coverage" of the situation. Neighbour of exploding fridge person is now on air giving a long interview.

Grenfell Action Group blog: https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/ ... worth putting here for reference.
Thanks for the link.

So the residents warned of poor health and safety conditions in the tower block.

"Regular readers of this blog will know that we have posted numerous warnings in recent years about the very poor fire safety standards at Grenfell Tower and elsewhere in RBKC.

ALL OUR WARNINGS FELL ON DEAF EARS and we predicted that a catastrophe like this was inevitable and just a matter of time. Below is a list of links to previous blogs we posted on this site trying to warn the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea who own this property and the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation who supposedly manage all social housing in RBKC on the Council’s behalf:"

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Trying to blame a fault in a fridge on level 4 is ridiculous at this stage. Fire investigators will need longer than a few hours to look into this.

I suspect that it will be found that a construction issue is to blame. That will put the responsiblity squarely onto the Council.

May those who lost their lives RIP and those who are injured get the care they need and recover quickly.
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Whatever the cause, the speed of the fire seems to be down to the external cladding.

If the materials used with the refurbishment are a factor in this then those responsible need to be charged with manslaughter at the very least.

Some horrible stories coming out of people hanging their kids out of windows in an attempt to save them.

It hardly bares thinking about.

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