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Old 25-04-2016, 12:19 PM   #1581
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Ooberman, I'm putting this up, but I can't find a link to the Daily Express saying there was CIA involvement. Loads of propaganda in UK/USA and Russia, BLOODY EVERYWHERE. People need to be vigilant and check sources, although in my opinion, it could well be true.

Russia Insider says:

"Originally appeared at The Daily Express

The Boeing 777 exploded over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014, killing 298 people.

The official report concluded that the jet, bound for Kuala Lumpur, was downed by a Russian-made Buk missile fired from a Ukraine area under the control of Russian-backed rebels.

However, the programme will present new evidence that a Ukrainian fighter jet may have shot down the aircraft.

Another theory is that a CIA-backed “terrorist operation” planted two bombs on the airliner.

Witnesses directly beneath the exploding aircraft report seeing at least one fighter jet.

Natasha Beronina said: “It was summer, harvest time. We heard a bang. At first we saw black smoke and two planes, little ones like silver toys. One flew straight on and the other one turned round when the bang happened and flew back from where it had come.”

German investigative journalist Billy Six interviewed 100 witnesses, seven of whom said they saw a fighter jet."

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Old 25-04-2016, 12:24 PM   #1582
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Did you read the link

Documentary suggests it could have been this or this or this - its just bull designed to confuse everyone based on lots of spurious allegations. Make a few sensationalist claims and watch the money and fame roll in.

For starters the fighters allegedly responsible couldn't physically manage the job.

Regardless of how much people wold like to blame the CIA Mossad Ukraine or Thatcher in this case all evidence and logic points to a fuck up by ill trained rebels.

Ukrainian forces had not been subjected to air attack -
Rebel forces had
Rebel forces had shot down a high flying aircraft previously**
Ukrainian forces were integrated with Ukraine AD networks and ATC - so could identify air craft.



The spurious claims - Such as mysterious hovering fighters all generated by RT.

The other mysteries to prove it was a secret NATO plan - such as
Didn't get to fly where it wanted - Normal not everyone can
Was flying at less than max altitude thus deliberately kept in range - miss info - the stepped flight profile is normal - It cannot reach that max altitude when its that heavy.

It was a tragic balls up - No conspiracy needed, poorly trained individuals without proper procedures and lacking crucial equipment made a mistake - they aren't the 1st they wont be the last.

Cough Vincennes Cough

Should be noted that the BUK manufacturer confirmed missile fragments and Russian investigators supported the report. Denials and objections came later. Unfortunately a typical political decision that in reality damages more than saying oops sorry (any and all equally guilty).

Of course people are only to happy to believe it because it suits their prejudice and RT said it and Western media says different therefore it must be true because the MSM always lies and insert favourite alternate source is always honest.

The conspiracy theories also fail the why test. Why would the Ukrainians shoot it down / CIA bomb it etc.

**And yes that should have raised a big red flag and ceased overflights.


Edit cant be arsed to correct - wrote to fast - What I mean to say was - The evidence of a SAM is overwhelming, there is no plausible explanation as to why it was a deliberate act. All evidence points to a mistaken target.

The balance of probability is given the situation and data available to the 2 opponents it was the seperatists that made the mistake and no I don't think that because I believe the MSM.

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Old 25-04-2016, 04:17 PM   #1583
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Ooberman, I'm putting this up, but I can't find a link to the Daily Express saying there was CIA involvement. Loads of propaganda in UK/USA and Russia, BLOODY EVERYWHERE. People need to be vigilant and check sources, although in my opinion, it could well be true.

Russia Insider says:

"Originally appeared at The Daily Express

The Boeing 777 exploded over eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014, killing 298 people.

The official report concluded that the jet, bound for Kuala Lumpur, was downed by a Russian-made Buk missile fired from a Ukraine area under the control of Russian-backed rebels.

However, the programme will present new evidence that a Ukrainian fighter jet may have shot down the aircraft.

Another theory is that a CIA-backed “terrorist operation” planted two bombs on the airliner.

Witnesses directly beneath the exploding aircraft report seeing at least one fighter jet.

Natasha Beronina said: “It was summer, harvest time. We heard a bang. At first we saw black smoke and two planes, little ones like silver toys. One flew straight on and the other one turned round when the bang happened and flew back from where it had come.”

German investigative journalist Billy Six interviewed 100 witnesses, seven of whom said they saw a fighter jet."

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Thanks, roastpotatoes! (and mods for finding this old thread)

It still looks like a stitch up against the Russians whichever way you look at it.

Have some of this anyway:



'Deleted BBC Russia MH17 News Report High Quality Eng Subs' (4:16)

'Documentary Claiming MH17 Shot Down by Ukrainian Jet to Air on BBC'

'A BBC documentary will air 'shocking new allegations' about the downing of Malaysia Airlines plane MH17, including claims it was shot down by a fighter jet and not a ground-to-air missile'

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Old 25-04-2016, 04:33 PM   #1584
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Thanks, roastpotatoes! (and mods for finding this old thread)

It still looks like a stitch up against the Russians whichever way you look at it.
Honestly the Russians have stitched themselves up this time.

The official report thus far is Shot down by SAM (BUK) The evidence suggests that this originated from Separatist territory (based on spread calculated angles and direction of travel)

It really isn't possible to argue with the BUK theory - the evidence is to strong.

The origin of the Buk however can be disputed
1) Calculations incorrect
2) Calculations pretty much correct but non separatist launcher in area.
3) Origin tailored to suit Western narrative,

Unfortunately Russia flailed around in damage limitation (regardless of who fired it was a Russian missile and so some groups would hold them responsible for selling it**) and submitted to RT some ridiculous claims.
The end result is that it looks like they were trying to hide something - see Cameron's flailing around on his Shares - he dodged no tax, he had shares in a foreign company - (if you have a pension so do you) in this he did nothing morally legally or ethically wrong but with his evasiveness he looks dodgy as fuck - ditto Russias handling of MH117.

Which is unfortunate because I do not hold Russia culpable for the tragedy.

I have clearly stated that I'm of the opinion it was the separatists and why but I haven't discounted the possibility of a monumental cock up by the Ukranians. I just think its far less probable.

The important bit though is It was an accident that could have been avoided.

**We won't mention it was sold 10yrs before the war started or the weapons we supply to Syrian rebel groups that result in civilian deaths.

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Old 20-02-2017, 06:17 PM   #1585
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Arrow why is NATO still "only" deployed at all of Europe's Russia's borders

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Russia reopens Cuba spy base for dummies - **MORE** than just an illuminati joke: to have NATO officially enter Ukraine
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NATO massive military deployment along Russia's border:
Parallel to the genocide in Novorossyia, NATO massively deploys, from the former soviet republics in the Baltic to former allies like Romania and Georgia.
Last but not the least: NATO deployment in states with a large majority of Slavic ethnic groups, from Poland to Bulgaria.
This is the penultimate stage before the remake of fake Yanukovich full detonation as suicide bomber in the Ukraine, fleeing to Russia.
In other words: before the act "Putin flees to China" and is replaced by pro-EU government".
Historic article - Jul 2014:
Nazi agent 'Putin' plays his part in setting the stage for NATO officially entering Ukraine, FULLY exposed worldwide only by Last Prophet:
This remake of the Cuba missile crisis is nothing but background noise to the "downed Boeing 777 in Ukraine", both episodes obvioulsy TOTALLY staged with actors.
http://angelic-vladimir-putin.blogsp...-base-for.html

Why NATO military is already in Latvia but not yet in Moscow:
Feb 2017 - NATO still "only" deployed at all of Europe's Russia's borders, including all former Soviet Union republics.
The reason why NATO military is already in Latvia, where nearly 50% of the population are ethnic russians, but not yet in Moscow:
what postponed the act "Navalny becomes president after criminal Putin flees to Beijing" in a remake of the staged "Maidan revolution" in the Ukraine:
http://illuminati-overtime.blogspot....ects-2012.html

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