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Old 03-01-2011, 12:30 PM   #1
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Default The Concept of Duality.

I don't mean to make this an argument between those that believe in duality
and those that believe in unity, neither group will ever convince the other to
be wrong. I just wondered if there are others here who believe in duality and
what their theories are of how duality works, and to how far you think it is
going.. meaning one Creator who gave birth to duality, or two Creators who
each gave birth to one side of the coin.


I never understood why belief in duality, a belief as old as mankind itself, is
considered as an inferior concept. I believe in duality because experiences
have taught me that's how the Universe works, but often people have said
I'm not as awakened as them because I have not "transcended" duality yet,
come on.

Light gives purpose to darkness, darkness gives purpose to Light, duality
of Light and darkness gives purpose to Creation itself, allowing it to evolve
for eternity, and the loop closes with an eternally evolving Creation giving
the opportunity for all souls, Light and dark, to evolve eternally as well. It
makes perfect sense, to me anyway.

In other words, Light is the catalyst for darkness to evolve, darkness is the
catalyst for Light to evolve, and that duality is the catalyst for Creation to
evolve. A closed triangle of eternal evolution through duality.

If all was "one", there would be no catalysts for evolution, and everything
would eternally stagnate. If you think through that evolution needs a real
catalyst, more than just a "desire to learn", then you will realize that the
theory of one Creator that gave birth to everything, might not be how it
all works.

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Old 03-01-2011, 12:49 PM   #2
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There is no beginning or end. Everything just is, will be and has always been. The Creator is also the created. Everything is one infinite Creator. Duality exists in order to form a ballanced unity.
There can never be stagnation, as everything is in a constant cyclic flow. Evolution is merely a perception of the infinite, which is done via constant infinite flow.
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:08 PM   #3
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opposites such as light and dark, day and night, good and evil, are very attractive storytelling / conceptualizing devices for humans who find it easy to view things in a black and white way.
in reality the difference between any set of given values is all relative, and there is a sliding scale between one extreme and another.
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:25 PM   #4
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opposites such as light and dark, day and night, good and evil, are very attractive storytelling / conceptualizing devices for humans who find it easy to view things in a black and white way.
in reality the difference between any set of given values is all relative, and there is a sliding scale between one extreme and another.
Yes, there is a sliding scale that goes from very dark to less dark to a little
Light to very Light.. but there is still a distinct line that seperates Light from
dark, and this seperation is not an illusion.

Light is obviously not superior to dark, but it is very different.

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Old 03-01-2011, 01:47 PM   #5
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Light is obviously not superior to dark, but it is very different.
Yet, the dark always thinks it is superrior to the light. That is why the dark path is very unballanced.
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Old 03-01-2011, 01:51 PM   #6
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Yet, the dark always thinks it is superrior to the light. That is why the dark path is very unballanced.
Yeah, that's what I found out as well. In the big scheme, objectively Light
and dark are equal.. but where as Light seeks balance and never goes to
war, darkness seeks to defeat the Light.
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Old 03-01-2011, 02:03 PM   #7
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Yes, there is a sliding scale that goes from very dark to less dark to a little
Light to very Light.. but there is still a distinct line that seperates Light from
dark, and this seperation is not an illusion.

if there is a sliding scale there can't be a hard line as well. you're obviously someone who is interested in extreme contrasts for their metaphoric value.
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if there is a sliding scale there can't be a hard line as well. you're obviously someone who is interested in extreme contrasts for their metaphoric value.
come on now,you're being logical.
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Old 03-01-2011, 02:36 PM   #9
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if there is a sliding scale there can't be a hard line as well. you're obviously someone who is interested in extreme contrasts for their metaphoric value.
Assumptions assumptions.
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:04 PM   #10
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What do you mean by saying "you belive in duality"? Duality is a fact of life on the 3D level, it´s not a matter of belief. Everything that has a shape or form is subjected to duality/relativity, and all your troubles start when you pick one end of the duality-stick and identify with that.
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:15 PM   #11
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What do you mean by saying "you belive in duality"? Duality is a fact of life on the 3D level, it´s not a matter of belief. Everything that has a shape or form is subjected to duality/relativity, and all your troubles start when you pick one end of the duality-stick and identify with that.
Duality as in spiritual duality.. Light and darkness.

We don't 'choose' one end of duality.. a soul is either Light or dark.. we cannot
choose to incorporate both Light and dark into our being. Dark souls cannot bring
Light into their being, Light souls cannot being darkness into their being, because
it burns them.. the energies cannot be combined, they're not compatible.

A Light soul is born as a Light soul, has always been a Light soul and always will
be a Light soul. A dark soul is born as a dark soul, has always been a dark soul
and will probably always be a dark soul. The Universe needs both Light and dark,
Creation cannot exist and manifest with only one source energy.

If you're a Light soul on Earth, then awakening for you means to let go of all the
negatives in your life and to learn to live only within unconditional love, to let go
of all anger and hatred and negativity.

It's easier for dark souls, because Light doesn't cause corruption and harm the
way darkness does. They have to stay away from the Light because it weakens
them and disempowers them, but it doesn't cause them harm.

The Earth is a planet being that is purely Light, just like all other celestial bodies
in this solar system, so the destiny of this solar system is to become purely Light.
On a Universal scale, both Light and dark is needed, but on a solar system scale,
balance can only be found if the system becomes entire Light or entirely dark.

On a galactic scale, balance is found when all solar systems are pure, when there
are no solar systems and planets that have both Light and darkness. As long as
there are planets that have both Light and darkness, there is struggle and strife.

The process that is happening in our solar system now, is the returning to a pure
Light space. All the remnants of the black hole that existed here once have been
removed, all dark portals caused by that black hole are closed and more and more
Light is flooding into the system every second. Dark souls cannot incarnate here
anymore, not since 2008.. and many Light humans are starting to awaken now,
as this forum shows.

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Old 03-01-2011, 04:23 PM   #12
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Duality as in spiritual duality.. Light and darkness.
Duality is not spiritual. And I don´t believe in your concept of "dark-souls" versus "light-souls". As I see it all souls are light, but the light can be more or less covered by ignorance or "darkness" if you will.
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:27 PM   #13
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The following was originally in another thread and has been move to here. I've taken the liberty of removing the first paragraph of this thread as it was not in the original post I replied to, and added slight alterations to hopefully make it more understandable. I may reply to the first paragraph seperately if I decide to make time to do so later.

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I never understood why belief in duality, a belief as old as mankind itself, is
considered as an inferior concept. I believe in duality because experiences
have taught me that's how the Universe works, but often people have said
I'm not as awakened as them because I have not "transcended" duality yet,
come on.

Light gives purpose to darkness, darkness gives purpose to Light, duality
of Light and darkness gives purpose to Creation itself, allowing it to evolve
for eternity, and the loop closes with an eternally evolving Creation giving
the opportunity for all souls, Light and dark, to evolve eternally as well. It
makes perfect sense, to me anyway.

In other words, Light is the catalyst for darkness to evolve, darkness is the
catalyst for Light to evolve, and that duality is the catalyst for Creation to
evolve. A closed triangle of eternal evolution through duality.

If all was "one", there would be no catalysts for evolution, and everything
would eternally stagnate. If you think through that evolution needs a real
catalyst, more than just a "desire to learn", then you will realize that the
theory of one Creator that gave birth to everything, might not be how it
all works.
Duality is not an inferior concept to non-duality, thats just another misunderstanding pushed by many who deny everything but it(non-duality). Duality is incapable of being inferior to non-duality as its an expression of it, and for anyone to claim otherwise is to admit to a seperation of the spiritual, mental and physical which goes against everything non-duality proponents claim It Is.

In regards to "evoloution", no such thing exists, this is an apparency within duality. Consider that for something(anything) to evolve, it by necessity must be capable of becoming(another apparency) other than it is. Within duality this would then have to be a result of a time/space process. Time and space being another apparency of mind, that which is sought to evolve "into" must already exist as a potentiality -and the fact that it already exists means its therefore already complete and total unto itself as its own expression. The main illusion is that theres such a thing as creation and/or a growing(evolving) into. This is another misconception as theres no growing into, only a removal of the obstructions limiting our ability to percieve this "otherness" we hope time will bring us to. Time will never do this as to "become" that "otherness" we must "die to our present selves" by re-identifying ourselves with that "otherness" which was initially sought. We can only "be it", we can never "reach it" through a time process.

Everything already is perfect, complete and total unto itself. Every possibility already is. The only thing stopping us from realising such is our refusal to look at it due to past ingrained habits of misunderstanding perpetuated unknowingly by those we trusted. We then self imposed this misunderstanding through our acceptance of it.

An example of a psychospiritual "act" within duality would be this. If you completely drop a single concept with absolute determination to be done with it, it is gone as far as your experience in duality goes; it will not come up again. The only way it will return is if you look at it again and re-accept it through reaction to it. In duality it can be displayed or veiled from experience but is never "created" or "destroyed". It is never created or destroyed as in the understanding of non-duality It Is and Always Will Be.

"But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt." - Genesis 19:26

* Salt is a preservative and symbolizes the act of Man accepting the world of form through the five senses as real and therefore recreating that which he seeks to free himself from.

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Anyway, thats enough from here. This can go on and on in circles attempting to explain the same thing in a hundred different ways to no avail. Words are just not a very effective way of communicationg "experience" or "knowingness". Hopefully though theres even one thing in this which will perk your interest, if not, have a great day anyway dude
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:36 PM   #14
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Nectars, if evolution would not exist, all of Creation would be pointless.

Creation exists because it has a purpose, and that purpose is evolution.
Nothing exists without a purpose, purpose creates and manifests, gives
birth and allows sustenance to be given to Creation eternally.

Evolution equals purpose, equals existance, equals Creation.

And thank you for moving your reply here, I appreciate the effort.

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The concept of evolution is only valid as long as one is in the linear peception of time continuum. When there is no linearity, there is no evolution, only understanding.
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Yes Dryadlover, that is why souls can only evolve through physical or semi-physical
reincarnation. Souls can only evolve within dimensions that are subjected to time..
as the flow of existence must be slowed down through reincarnation within a linear
time table, of a physical dimension.

When Light souls are not incarnated, they are individual still but also part of the
whole, in a world outside of normal time.. and there it is very hard to feel seperate
and to feel the self within a specific time frame.. in such a place there can not be
evolution and learning, only reflection, understanding and preparation.

This is why physical reincarnation is the only way for a soul to evolve. Thank you
Dryadlover for giving me the inspiration for this understanding and explanation, I
understand this better now because your post sparked some new insights for me.
I already had the pieces of this puzzle but I never got around to putting them to-
gether completely.

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Yes Dryadlover, that is why souls can only evolve through physical or semi-physical
reincarnation. Souls can only evolve within dimensions that are subjected to time..
as the flow of existence must be slowed down through reincarnation within a linear
time table, of a physical dimension.
In my opinion, this is a variable concept dependant on the lesson profile for each individual soul.
Time is very subjective and bears an illusory nature. When an individual has already learned all the lessons the linearity can offer him, that perception is no longer necessary; i.e. an understanding has been gained and it is important to move on. There is no need to constantly repeat the same processes, unless they are desirable.
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Old 03-01-2011, 05:53 PM   #18
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My belief is that Creation constantly evolves, this means a soul can never
learn all the lessons physicality can provide. Spirit worlds exist outside of
normal time, and we already established that we cannot evolve there, as
no evolution is possible there as you said.

So this means physicality is key to evolution, there are no "higher" planes
where we can continue evolving, because higher planes exist outside of
time and no evolution is possible there.

You can't say evolution doesn't exist on higher planes, but at the same
time say that we evolve to higher planes when we learned all lessons in
physicality.. that is a contradiction! Without physical reincarnation we're
stuck in our growth according to what you said, and I agree with that.

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My belief is that Creation constantly evolves, this means a soul can never
learn all the lessons physicality can provide. Spirit worlds exist outside of
normal time, and we already established that we cannot evolve there, as
no evolution is possible there as you said.

So this means physicality is key to evolution, there are no "higher" planes
where we can continue evolving, because higher planes exist outside of
time and no evolution is possible there.

If evolution does not exist in higher planes, then we cannot move on to
higher planes to continue evolving there, and the only way to evolve for
all eternity, is through physical reincarnation.

You can't say evolution doesn't exist on higher planes, but at the same
time say that we evolve to higher planes when we learned all lessons in
physicality.. that is a contradiction! Without physical reincarnation we're
stuck in our growth.
Your belief evolves together with you. In "time" there will come an understanding, that linearity is no longer important for your learning process.
Physicality is imortant for those who need it, as it offers them lessons, which are most apropriate for them.

Considering other "planes" the concept of "evolution" is no longer the concept of volution there, it is something different, which has "evolved" together with the perception of the collective. Our concept of evolution determines linearity, "their" concept of evolution does not determine that.

I like to view the concept of evolution as "service", because service can be performed everywhere, without any kind of restraints.
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Nectars, if evolution would not exist, all of Creation would be pointless.

Creation exists because it has a purpose, and that purpose is evolution.
Nothing exists without a purpose, purpose creates and manifests, gives
birth and allows sustenance to be given to Creation eternally.

Evolution equals purpose, equals existance, equals Creation
Just because there is evolution, it doesn´t prove that creation is not essentially pointless.

I would like to believe that there is a purpose behind creation and being born, I just don´t feel it. Sure, it looks like you are evolving, if you move from a lesser degree of wealth, freedom, health, talents etc. to a higher degree. But what if you are fed up with existence as such?
What good will it do you to move up yet another notch on the evolutionary ladder?

The buddhists say that all the pleasures of the world is like a drop of honey on the edge of a razor-blade. I tend to agree with that, as it becomes clearer day by day how interdependant and precarious everything is.
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