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Old 17-07-2012, 11:06 PM   #41
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The fear of vaccines and possible side-effects is truly disproportional to the alternative of no vaccines at all.
Sure, there are cases of bad reactions....as with any foreign introduced substance injected into the body.

But the amount of lives saved and disease averted by vaccines, greatly outnumbers those few "bad reactions".
I don't see the reason for such a panic among some people about the idea of vaccines.
Perhaps there is complacency that such diseases are now nearly eliminated from the population....that a vaccine is not necessary. But the vaccines are the reason they're nearly eliminated.

For travelers to remote regions of the globe, Yellow Fever, Measles, Influenza, and Malaria should be of concern.
While there is no current Malaria vaccine, if there were....here's the amount of lives possibly saved....

source: http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/malaria_w...de/impact.html
Yes, exactly. And if this anti-vaccine ideology controls the future, by the time viruses have diversified to the point where a certain vaccine is ineffective, the research will not be put into creating new ones in time to save people.
If vaccines are going to disregarded completely, they should AT LEAST come up with a new, if not improved, method to prevent illness.
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Old 17-07-2012, 11:59 PM   #42
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Several vaccines are being begged for because they don't yet exist...

Herpes (on the way)
Malaria (on the way)
Hepatitis
HIV
...and more....
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Old 18-07-2012, 12:10 AM   #43
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The fear of vaccines and possible side-effects is truly disproportional to the alternative of no vaccines at all.
Sure, there are cases of bad reactions....as with any foreign introduced substance injected into the body.

But the amount of lives saved and disease averted by vaccines, greatly outnumbers those few "bad reactions".
I don't see the reason for such a panic among some people about the idea of vaccines.
Perhaps there is complacency that such diseases are now nearly eliminated from the population....that a vaccine is not necessary. But the vaccines are the reason they're nearly eliminated.

For travelers to remote regions of the globe, Yellow Fever, Measles, Influenza, and Malaria should be of concern.
While there is no current Malaria vaccine, if there were....here's the amount of lives possibly saved....

source: http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/malaria_w...de/impact.html
I reckon a strong and fully functional immune system is better than injecting small babies with poison and hoping they dont get brain damage or bowel damage.
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Old 18-07-2012, 12:40 AM   #44
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I reckon a strong and fully functional immune system is better than injecting small babies with poison and hoping they dont get brain damage or bowel damage.
But strong immune systems won't protect you against HIV, Malaria, etc...

If you think that BigPharma/govt (Pharma) is making $$$ off vaccines, and that's their motive is to reap profits....
..... what if the govt let these diseases go unchecked. Look at the potential profits for Pharma if that happened ?

It's a mixed bag of public protest, all against "big industry", in any manner...look:

If vaccines are suggested/required....Pharma makes money.
If crippling diseases go unabated, Pharma makes money.

I suspect that if disease went unchecked, there would be a protest that Pharma is letting it happen in order to reap profits for medical care of those diseases.

But that is already happening now......some people claim there is a cure for cancer, and that Pharma won't release the cure because it's such big income for the medical community.

So we are left with a certain population that will reject anything if it is corporately based. This, in my opinion, becomes a political protest, rather than a health protest.
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Old 18-07-2012, 12:46 AM   #45
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If vaccines are suggested/required....Pharma makes money.
If crippling diseases go unabated, Pharma makes money.
They sell hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine a year, they might treat 1 million or even 10 million infections if there were no vaccines. Clearly mass vaccinations are a better way to make money.
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Old 18-07-2012, 12:47 AM   #46
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Actually in South Africa they found that prostitutes who had not been vaccinated as children were resistant to catching AIDS.
In Kenya they found circumcised males are resistant to catching AIDS.
Ofcourse a condom also protects.

But i assume you have not seem Bill Gates' lecture on population reduction through vaccination?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNyo0Gu7064
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They sell hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine a year, they might treat 1 million or even 10 million infections if there were no vaccines. Clearly mass vaccinations are a better way to make money.
But the treatment of a full-blown disease costs much more than the prevention of it.

But logically.....why wait until you contract a disease, to treat it ?
Why not prevent it in the first place ?

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But i assume you have not seem Bill Gates' lecture on population reduction through vaccination?

Bill Gates EXPOSED Progressive?! Wants Population Control Through Vaccines "something I love" - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNyo0Gu7064
I'm sorry Stelios, but I barely see what you and the video are suggesting. You really have to take some imaginative liberties to see that he is suggesting pop reduction through vaccines.....in fact...I think I missed it altogether.
http://news.cnet.com/gates-decade-of...0063988-1.html

edit: I watched it again. He does NOT suggest that the world pop can be decreased by the use of vaccines, healthcare, and reproductive programmes....he is referring to the CO2 emissions being reduced....not the population. The numbers he suggests are related to emissions, not population.

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Old 18-07-2012, 01:59 AM   #49
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But the treatment of a full-blown disease costs much more than the prevention of it.

But logically.....why wait until you contract a disease, to treat it ?
Why not prevent it in the first place ?
It is a total myth but one that is constanstantly spread.
The reality is Vaccines dont prevent disease.
In fact they often cause disease.
EG:
Cases of non-polio acute flaccid paralysis, better known as AFP, has sharply increased with the increase in the administration of oral polio vaccination.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rJBib-3q6A



How can you suggest putting toxic waste and viruses directly into the bloodstream of new born children?
Formaldehyde, thimersol mercury and aluminium are some of the toxic ingredients that are used in vaccines.
Vaccines are often derived from Aborted Human Fetal Tissue, Porcine and Bovine tissue and chemicals such as Triton X-100 used for the decellularization of animal-derived tissues.
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http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/conten...3/391.full.pdf

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Background.
Oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) has not been used in the United States since 2000. Type 1 vaccinederived
poliovirus (VDPV) was identified in September 2005, from an unvaccinated Amish infant hospitalized in
Minnesota with severe combined immunodeficiency.
An investigation was conducted to determine the source of the
virus and its means of transmission.
Methods.
The infant was tested serially for poliovirus excretion. Investigations were conducted to detect poliovirus
infections or paralytic poliomyelitis in Amish communities in Minnesota, neighboring states, and Ontario,
Canada. Genomic sequences of poliovirus isolates were determined for phylogenetic analysis.
Results.
No source for the VDPV could be identified. In the index community, 8 (35%) of 23 children tested,
including the infant, had evidence of type 1 poliovirus or VDPV infection. Phylogenetic analysis suggested that the
VDPV circulated in the community for 2 months before the infant’s infection was detected and that the initiating
OPV dose had been given before her birth. No paralytic disease was found in the community, and no poliovirus
infections were found in other Amish communities investigated.
Conclusions.
This is the first demonstrated transmission of VDPV in an undervaccinated community in a developed
country.
Continued vigilance is needed in all countries to identify poliovirus infections in communities at high
risk of poliovirus transmission.
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....estimated to be 1 case of VAPP per 2.9 million
doses distributed
The Amish are traditionally fearsome of conventional medicine, and vaccinations....
http://amishamerica.com/do-amish-vac...heir-children/

So, if anything...the polio virus was spread among the community because they were undervaccinated, or not vaccinated at all.
That child had a simultaneous immunodeficiency pre-existing condition.
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What kind of polio vaccines are used in the United States?

IPV, which is given as a shot, is now used in the United States. OPV has not been used in the United States since 2000 but is still used in many parts of the world.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/dis-faqs.htm
Is that reason enough to stop all polio vaccinations ?

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How can you suggest putting toxic waste and viruses directly into the bloodstream of new born children?
You make it sound like they're injecting toxic trash into babies. That is not the case. You are exaggerating a bit.

Paradoxically, the homeopathic meme, "treat like with like", fails your standards as well. Do you use homeopathy ?
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Old 18-07-2012, 04:15 AM   #52
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You make it sound like they're injecting toxic trash into babies. That is not the case. You are exaggerating a bit.

Paradoxically, the homeopathic meme, "treat like with like", fails your standards as well. Do you use homeopathy ?
No.
I take vitamins and supplements.
I avoid fluoride and aspartame and msg and vegetable fats and HFCS.
I dont go to the doctor or dentist neither.

Here where i am at.
My oldest two kids had all their shots.
My next one didnt have the MMR.
And the rest have had none at all.
So it has been a learning curve, the more i learn about vaccines the more dangerous i understand them to be.
Not only do most allergies come from vaccines but most bowel problems like IBS and Crohns and Food Intolerances are caused by vaccines.

Back to AIDS for a moment.
In certain African countries there are very high levels of AIDS.
This is despite low levels of homosexuality and less hetrosexual promiscuity.
So the AIDS is coming from a breakdown of their immune systems as a result of vaccine damage or even live virus being spread through vaccines.
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It's just as easy to blame vaccines for illness, as it is to blame GMO's or any other big-business sourced product.....

Blame toxic materials in the home....carpet, paint outgasing, formaldehyde in fiberboard, etc....
Blame plastic (BPA)
Blame "chemtrails"
Blame radiowaves

....the list goes on.

You're right....eating healthy and exercise is the best way to boost your immune system....adding supplements as needed.

But blaming anything and everything having to do with big-business will do nothing more than infuriate you to the point of causing yourself unhealthy stress.

Choose wisely, act responsibly....and enjoy life.

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Old 18-07-2012, 04:51 AM   #54
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Vaccines such as flu jabs are available in Tesco at £5 a pop.
So it is nothing to do with blaming big business.
Vaccines are part of the Eugenics programme as advocated by Bill Gates, Aldous Huxley, Marie Stopes, Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler.

They want to reduce the world's population by injecting us with shit.
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Old 22-07-2012, 02:31 PM   #55
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Right... So my autism is blamed on vaccines? Here we go again.
There are many different factors that can 'cause' autism, vaccines are one, my 3 children are on the AS and 2 of them are vaccine damaged,one from the MMR and the other from the DTP, he is also severely disabled because of the reaction, the third was very prem and so we assume that the autism arose from that, the only jab he has had was the vit K,against our wishes I should add. ,I think the jury is still out on whether it can damage against our wishes I should add.

What causes autism in one person does not mean that every autistc person will have had the same reaction.
Vaccines are volatile.

Our ( 9 year old)unvaccinated child is rarely physically ill though, he never catches colds or coughs, and has yet to catch chickenpox even though he mixes with other children who have it, the only ailment he has had is mumps, and it was a breeze because his immune system seems to be almost running at 100% perfection.
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Actually in South Africa they found that prostitutes who had not been vaccinated as children were resistant to catching AIDS.
In Kenya they found circumcised males are resistant to catching AIDS.
That's interesting. Source?
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Old 23-07-2012, 12:29 AM   #57
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Vaccines such as flu jabs are available in Tesco at £5 a pop.
So it is nothing to do with blaming big business.
Vaccines are part of the Eugenics programme as advocated by Bill Gates, Aldous Huxley, Marie Stopes, Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler.

They want to reduce the world's population by injecting us with shit.
They're doing a terrible job then. Infant mortality is at the lowest it's ever been, people are living longer than ever (on average), and we're even able to help the infertile reproduce!
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They're doing a terrible job then. Infant mortality is at the lowest it's ever been, people are living longer than ever (on average), and we're even able to help the infertile reproduce!
You'll be telling us that autism rates are falling next....oh wait a minute... autism isn't connected to vaccines according to you winey is it.

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You'll be telling us that autism rates are falling next....oh wait a minute... autism isn't connected to vaccines according to you winey is it.
Winegums was not talking about Autism, he was talking about polio and eugenics....and how that conspiracy is not panning out.

Why reply to a post, if you are just going to change the topic ?

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More people than ever before are being diagnosed with an ASD. It is unclear how much of this increase is due to a broader definition of ASDs and better efforts in diagnosis. However, a true increase in the number of people with an ASD cannot be ruled out. We believe the increase in ASD diagnosis is likely due to a combination of these factors.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/research.html

So.....it's known that ASD has been more frequently diagnosed in recent years, partially due to the fact that it has recently gained a broader definition (than previously), and that better testing methods for the condition.

What this means is, there may have been just as many cases of ASD..>> prior to the recent advances in understanding, diagnosis, and reporting of the disease.
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