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Old 18-10-2014, 03:34 PM   #41
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Wrong... as long as there is space there is time. It would take time to move from one point in space o another whether that is a quarter inch or 10 trillion light years. Time and space are always relative

Wrong We didn't conjure up time. Time is a dimension of space... you cannot have one and not have the other, just as you cant have 3 dimensional space without height width and depth.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to have one without the other. If an event takes place there is the time expired it took to transpire. There is time between evens... there is time between space in the vast NOTHINGNESS.
The time you are saying it takes to 'move' from one part of space to another is determined by the velocity of an object moving between fixed reference points. The 'space' between objects, and not time, is divided into units that define how long an event takes to transpire - years, months, days, hours, minutes and seconds etc. Depending on the objects velocity. Take away the moving object and reference points and time becomes obsolete even though the Void remains, unchanged and still. Time-less. The definition of time as a dimension is a philosophical abstract - a bit like the theoretical sciences that underpin it.
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Old 18-10-2014, 03:38 PM   #42
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Could there not be layers of relative 'illusion' and 'reality', e.g. in the case of a dream within a dream? How could we ever know for sure that anything is reality, that there are no further layers which could be peeled away?

That said I find it difficult to imagine getting through life without working assumptions as to what, to all intents and purposes, is 'reality'.
Things are defined by their opposites.

In the mystical field, we very often come across the idea that this life is an illusion. The natural corollary would be that there is indeed an absolute reality of some kind.

However, given that it simply is, and cannot be approached, described, or defined, talking about it is an exercise in futility. Illusion or no. No positive affirmation or description is valid.

The only way to reach the timeless, is through the disappearance/cessation of the seeker. Or rather, one must find one's most childlike self, as Christ said.

Language is simply useless in this area.

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Old 21-10-2014, 06:24 PM   #43
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Things are defined by their opposites.

In the mystical field, we very often come across the idea that this life is an illusion. The natural corollary would be that there is indeed an absolute reality of some kind.

However, given that it simply is, and cannot be approached, described, or defined, talking about it is an exercise in futility. Illusion or no. No positive affirmation or description is valid.

The only way to reach the timeless, is through the disappearance/cessation of the seeker. Or rather, one must find one's most childlike self, as Christ said.

Language is simply useless in this area.
it sounds so passionless, I think i would rather

be screaming apeshit about finite illusion than boring about the absolute.
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Old 22-10-2014, 05:53 PM   #44
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We decode time and space in our reality constantly, how often do you realise in your day to day life that its an illusion ?

Illusion or abstraction??

You see a disc where there is no disk.

Who made the disc?

Your nervous system made the disc.


The map is not the territory

The map–territory relation describes the relationship between an object and a representation of that object, as in the relation between a geographical territory and a map of it. Polish-American scientist and philosopher Alfred Korzybski remarked that "the map is not the territory", encapsulating his view that an abstraction derived from something, or a reaction to it, is not the thing itself. Korzybski held that many people do confuse maps with territories, that is, confuse models of reality with reality itself.

Relativity - M. C. Escher



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Old 23-10-2014, 05:57 PM   #45
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time is an axis during which crystalisation in the form of age occurs and also unexpected change in the form of evolution occurs.
Matter within time is a changing thing
Space is the thing that allows change to occur to matter within time.
were it not for the cleaving power of space all matter would have tended to entropy and aged.
Time is a linear law that humans theorize is flexible, but still are enslaved to by its linear power.
the Present, the compression of the total self into the here and now is a way to firstly avoid the linear laws of time, secondly to access Space, when time is stopped space intersects it where once it would have run alongside.


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