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Old 12-10-2017, 05:53 PM   #1
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Did God err in making Adam ruler over Eve?

Scripture are clear. Sin and death entered this world through Adam, and he was thus to blame for original sin.

Yet God rewarded Adam with dominion over Eve even though Eve was not responsible for sin and death entering the world. Gen3:16 and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

This shows God continuing the policy of punishing the innocent instead of the guilty that is shown in scriptures. 1Peter 1:20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

God seems to be rewarding Adam for sin while punishing Eve for the events in Eden even though she was innocent of sin as she did not have any evil intent and was deceived by Satan, a force that she could not possibly resist thanks to God giving Satan the power to deceive the whole world after God put Satan in Eden with Eve.

If making man ruler over women that was an error, it would help explain the 5,000 years of war we have had to endure with undeserving men as rulers.

Gnostic Christianity, a Universalist belief system, believes in full equality for all souls. Christianity obviously does not believe in equality if it preaches that men are to perpetually enjoy ruling over women. Not to mention the inequality of gays.

Did God err in making Adam ruler over Eve and thus punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?

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Old 12-10-2017, 06:10 PM   #2
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'Err' is gods middle name.
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Eve's always been in charge imo


except maybe she didn't realise
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Genesis 4:7 - 'Sin is crouching at the door, it's desire is for you, but you must master it (literally - you shall rule over it) - this is what God says to Cain.

3:16 - 'Your desire is for your husband and he shall rule over you'- What God says to Eve is similar.

So when sin has the upper hand in woman she will desire to overpower or subdue or exploit man - and when sin has the upper hand in man he will do the same and with his strength subdue and rule over her.

It is a warning of what will be to come - the conflict between man and woman.
This was the result of their rebellion against God.
The relationship before was how it was supposed to be -
mutual respect and harmony.

And God is trying to get us back to that.
Free will is why they rebelled.

As a parent you can show your kids the good path - if they stray off it you can warn them what will happen. You can punish them for not listening.
But you still love them and show them how to figure out for themselves how to do what is right.
At the same time you respect their freedom of choice and free will.

They were warned - they were punished - they were forgiven.

God is a parent.
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Genesis 4:7 - 'Sin is crouching at the door, it's desire is for you, but you must master it (literally - you shall rule over it) - this is what God says to Cain.

3:16 - 'Your desire is for your husband and he shall rule over you'- What God says to Eve is similar.

So when sin has the upper hand in woman she will desire to overpower or subdue or exploit man - and when sin has the upper hand in man he will do the same and with his strength subdue and rule over her.

It is a warning of what will be to come - the conflict between man and woman.
This was the result of their rebellion against God.
The relationship before was how it was supposed to be -
mutual respect and harmony.

And God is trying to get us back to that.
Free will is why they rebelled.

As a parent you can show your kids the good path - if they stray off it you can warn them what will happen. You can punish them for not listening.
But you still love them and show them how to figure out for themselves how to do what is right.
At the same time you respect their freedom of choice and free will.

They were warned - they were punished - they were forgiven.

God is a parent.
(My emphasis in bold above)

So, would you punish your children (the ones who didn't listen) with eternal separation from you?
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So, would you punish your children (the ones who didn't listen) with eternal separation from you?
We were given a paradise and asked to look after the animals and plants and eat the herbs in return. That's it.
We believed lies from someone that was jealous of us and we got thrown out of the garden.
Then we were shown how to get back in it.
Eternal seperation is a choice. Just because it's not a lovely place without God doesn't mean it's his fault.
Why didn't Satan create paradise??? Ask yourself that.
Because Satan didn't want us to be happy- misery wants company.


Maybe we should have taken responsibility and turned the rest of the world into paradise instead of blaming God.
You are giving out many feelings of hate toward your creator.
But I bet it was a human that hurt you that hid behind a religion.

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I think personally If there was nothing of god here, this world would be a much worse place.
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Who is god.
I don't know. As I understand it, as a cosmic consciousness, it has no name.

I do know that we all have a spark of what we call God in us. That is why Gnostic Christians call God, I am, and we mean ourselves and our spark of God within us as that is the only God we can know.

That spark allows contact at the telepathic level but the proofs for telepathy are not accepted by most. The proof is within us but most do not seek Gnosis and will never activate the process.

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Genesis 4:7 - 'Sin is crouching at the door, it's desire is for you, but you must master it (literally - you shall rule over it) - this is what God says to Cain.

3:16 - 'Your desire is for your husband and he shall rule over you'- What God says to Eve is similar.

So when sin has the upper hand in woman she will desire to overpower or subdue or exploit man - and when sin has the upper hand in man he will do the same and with his strength subdue and rule over her.

It is a warning of what will be to come - the conflict between man and woman.
This was the result of their rebellion against God.
The relationship before was how it was supposed to be -
mutual respect and harmony.

And God is trying to get us back to that.
Free will is why they rebelled.

As a parent you can show your kids the good path - if they stray off it you can warn them what will happen. You can punish them for not listening.
But you still love them and show them how to figure out for themselves how to do what is right.
At the same time you respect their freedom of choice and free will.

They were warned - they were punished - they were forgiven.

God is a parent.
Well articulated. You would make a decent Gnostic Christian. You seem to have a good heart and they have said that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. They are right.

I advocate equality between men and women with the caveat that that men should put the needs of women and children above themselves.

I would bring the law of the sea to the land and deny women equality when the going gets lethal. I see that as a duty that men should step up to.

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We were given a paradise and asked to look after the animals and plants and eat the herbs in return. That's it.
We believed lies from someone that was jealous of us and we got thrown out of the garden.
Then we were shown how to get back in it.
Eternal seperation is a choice. Just because it's not a lovely place without God doesn't mean it's his fault.
Why didn't Satan create paradise??? Ask yourself that.
Because Satan didn't want us to be happy- misery wants company.


Maybe we should have taken responsibility and turned the rest of the world into paradise instead of blaming God.
You are giving out many feelings of hate toward your creator.
But I bet it was a human that hurt you that hid behind a religion.
Eternal separation is impossible as our internal spark of God returns to the cosmic consciousness which we see as what most have been calling God.

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I think personally If there was nothing of god here, this world would be a much worse place.
True.

There is a lot more good than evil here yet many see it as more evil than good because they do not think demographically.

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Genesis 4:7 - 'Sin is crouching at the door, it's desire is for you, but you must master it (literally - you shall rule over it) - this is what God says to Cain.

3:16 - 'Your desire is for your husband and he shall rule over you'- What God says to Eve is similar.

So when sin has the upper hand in woman she will desire to overpower or subdue or exploit man - and when sin has the upper hand in man he will do the same and with his strength subdue and rule over her.

It is a warning of what will be to come - the conflict between man and woman.
This was the result of their rebellion against God.
The relationship before was how it was supposed to be -
mutual respect and harmony.

And God is trying to get us back to that.
Free will is why they rebelled.

As a parent you can show your kids the good path - if they stray off it you can warn them what will happen. You can punish them for not listening.
But you still love them and show them how to figure out for themselves how to do what is right.
At the same time you respect their freedom of choice and free will.

They were warned - they were punished - they were forgiven.

God is a parent.
The Greeks saw it as a joining of Wo-Man a reversal of what the Christians worship today.
A Chi Rho, an hermaphrodite, they also saw the sun as a beginning and end to all of life, in natural terms.
These traits are still extant in true nature, snails and frogs are only a couple of species that still have the omni-dominant genes and can change sex at will when their species is threatened with a shortage or when balance number are all of a kilter.

The same is very wide spread in the plant world, where both male and female attributes are found on the same burning bush of genetics.

However it is possible for man to manipulate the species, like food growers have been doing for thousands of years by sellective breeding.

The elite have been doing the same for nearly as long and recently doing it using bio-technology in both humans and plants to degrees of success.

The paradigm is awash with many unatural ellments not found singulary in nature, but altered.

This is a scientific brotherhood, in their spiritual ways but its not for the masses only themselves, we are the ginue pigs in all of this and the majority don't know it yet.
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We were given a paradise and asked to look after the animals and plants and eat the herbs in return. That's it.
We believed lies from someone that was jealous of us and we got thrown out of the garden.
Then we were shown how to get back in it.
Eternal seperation is a choice. Just because it's not a lovely place without God doesn't mean it's his fault.
Why didn't Satan create paradise??? Ask yourself that.
Because Satan didn't want us to be happy- misery wants company.


Maybe we should have taken responsibility and turned the rest of the world into paradise instead of blaming God.
You are giving out many feelings of hate toward your creator.
But I bet it was a human that hurt you that hid behind a religion.
No, no, no. What is with Christianity that seems to paralyze peoples ability to use logic?

Eternal separation is NOT a choice. It was Yahweh's choice, he is the father (supposedly), He set up the game in the garden, He created Satan, knowing he would fall, knowing Satan would tempt Eve, did he not???

If he knew Satan would tempt Eve and she would fall, then he knew well in advance what he was doing and what the outcome would be! It is your god that damns you to hell for not listening! Not you!!!
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We were given a paradise and asked to look after the animals and plants and eat the herbs in return. That's it.
We believed lies from someone that was jealous of us and we got thrown out of the garden.
Then we were shown how to get back in it.
Eternal seperation is a choice. Just because it's not a lovely place without God doesn't mean it's his fault.
Why didn't Satan create paradise??? Ask yourself that.
Because Satan didn't want us to be happy- misery wants company.


Maybe we should have taken responsibility and turned the rest of the world into paradise instead of blaming God.
You are giving out many feelings of hate toward your creator.
But I bet it was a human that hurt you that hid behind a religion.
We were not given anything other than sunlight and the life that it procures, without that kind of love we would all be dust, plants and animals included.

What we get is what we sew and reap.
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Well articulated. You would make a decent Gnostic Christian. You seem to have a good heart and they have said that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian. They are right.

I advocate equality between men and women with the caveat that that men should put the needs of women and children above themselves.

I would bring the law of the sea to the land and deny women equality when the going gets lethal. I see that as a duty that men should step up to.

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Thanks for the message.

You don't have to be in a religion to believe in the Godverse.
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Thanks for the message.

You don't have to be in a religion to believe in the Godverse.
The lamb has overcome! Death where is your sting! Really joyful right now listening to this truth:


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Thanks for the message.

You don't have to be in a religion to believe in the Godverse.
That depends on how you define it.

Here is the Gnostic Christian view.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be or an ugly and imperfect world?

Candide.
"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

That means that we live in the best of all possible worlds, given all the conditions at hand. That is an irrefutable statement.

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First of all, the Adam and Eve story isn't a literal event, it's a 'myth', i.e. a metaphor - and it predates the bible. The original story, or certainly one that's seen as the origin, has the characters named as Aish and Aisha.

If you take the bible story as being something that happened, then you'd also have to explain the talking snake.
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First of all, the Adam and Eve story isn't a literal event, it's a 'myth', i.e. a metaphor - and it predates the bible. The original story, or certainly one that's seen as the origin, has the characters named as Aish and Aisha.

If you take the bible story as being something that happened, then you'd also have to explain the talking snake.
Thanks for this.

I do not disagree, but it is the Christian myth I am analysing from a moral standpoint, just as we do for the myths and fables we will read to our children. Not whether it is myth or not.

Care to give your moral view of Eve being punished for Adams sin?

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