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Old 08-10-2017, 05:14 PM   #21
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Nice post mate, but it doesn't help, as I don't want to become Vegan.

My point had nothing to do with becoming Vegan, it was pointing out nature loving Vegans are actually making decisions that hurt nature by accepting plastics as a substitute.
In many ways you are right TFH.

I would be rather balanced and make the best of all that is available and sustainable, and ethical.

To stay clear of the giants who are actually creating the misery generated by greed and factory scale death farms.
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I was vegetarian for 7 years before I finally went 100% vegan. Then within a year I was a meat eater.
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I was vegetarian for 7 years before I finally went 100% vegan. Then within a year I was a meat eater.
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not sure about the one meal a day but think this is fairly good video otherwise. The big salad is good and the fruit. avoid bread cooked food etc. I think if you are eating some fruits and veg thru the day it is ok as long as it is not all sticky. it is amazing how much energy there is in fruit like watermelon and that is not going to be hard on the digestive system. almost like fasting. i feel the same tho as cara a real good salad is so delicious. course this is what some of the mainstream vegetarians and vegans say they don't like which is ridiculous. you have to like salad to be vegan imo. think it helps if you take stuff out of the fridge early so it is not so cold. cold fruits and veg is not so tasty imo. eating raw is pretty amasing like you will notice that beer is cooked and even taste the metal from the distiller or what ever it is called maybe made of brass or something.
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Old 12-10-2017, 10:06 AM   #27
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posting videos from the flat earther Sv3rige. this guy censors all the comments by the way which is pretty obvious if you look at the discussion he just whole sale deletes anything not posted by a carnist and blocks the user so their comments will never show up on his channel again. it also can cause their comments not to show up on other channels aswell since he is marking all these vegans as spammers. he is a vile carnist liar and propagandist. he will have had a lot pointed out to him but he just censors it like this video exposes the total lies he makes about it being natural to eat meat. reality is without a modern shot gun sv3rige would be so exhausted and probably mauled to death if he tried to hunt wild animals it would exceed the energy he got from eating the meat. eating raw meat as he advocates is dangerous it can give parasite infection and could be a death sentence for people with weaker systems than this young irresponsible carnist has.

https://www.bgdblog.org/2014/01/raci...rm-psychopath/

him calling these vegans mentally ill is "ableist and sanist". think there is some good points made in this article "Why the Term ‘Psychopath’ is Racist and Ableist"
https://www.bgdblog.org/2014/01/raci...rm-psychopath/



on the plus side I do think he does challenge the health of some vegan diets. It is important to pursue health when changing to a vegan diet and this is the way to help the animals. if people see unhealthy vegans they will think it must be unhealthy to eat plant based and continue eating meat or even increase consumption. I would deduce that there have been efforts by the carnists to get vegans to be unhealthy and focus on animal rights rather than the inseperable health and animal welfare true veganism. there are healthy vegans like fully raw kristina seems like a good example.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j9zMok6two
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You appear to be extremely brainwashed.
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Just from a sexual point of view, them (raw) vegan girls are mostly pretty hot.
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hmm so you basically couldn't manage to challenge any of the points I made and just decided to claim i was brainwashed as a cheap shot.




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Well after 9 years of being a vegetabletarian it's time to make the leap to being a full on carrot munching tree-humper.
I'll have to finally learn to cook properly; goodbye scrambled eggs, I loved you once.
It looks like my industrial sized caffeine intake will finally be lowered. I tried sweetened almond milk today and it is truly bowfing.
So vegans among us, any tips to help me on my way?
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Thanks for the link Cosmic Tramp.
I'm two weeks in now, almond milk is beginning to taste, well, acceptable. Even had it in my muesli once.
I've not eaten any dairy, the only real issue I've had is that I've not had time to cook as much as I wanted.
Overall though I'm pleased with my start.
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Old 21-10-2017, 04:07 PM   #34
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btw, you might say, 'no thanks' to alcohol but Bailey's have brought out a vegan/non-diary version of Baileys. I had a bit of tasting the other day. Good for vegans if you are into this sorta stuff. I, personally, prefer the original dairy version though. Richer taste.
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Came across this youtube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqm...bZ4wqMHt2ndZdQ

Some nice looking vegan recipes on there.

I like the look of the crack cookies going to make some soon

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What brought you back?
Weakened gums, HORRENDOUS acne, holy shit the acne was so bad.

Main reason, anxiety through the roof, I was pretty much a completely different person, afraid of anything that even approached confrontation. I self-diagnosed myself with hormonal imbalance due to lack of dietary cholesterol. I probably felt fine all those years as a vegetarian thanks to eggs and butter with breakfast every day.

So I went back to vegetarian and started to feel okay again, but on more research and more thinking, I went back to meat. I went vegetarian in the first place to reduce animal product consumption to be more healthy, then I went vegan to eliminate animal product consumption to be more healthy again. When I learned that; for my body type at least, cutting out animal products makes me less healthy, I decided to eat a diet similar to that which enabled my grandparents to live healthily into their 90's.

My grandparents ate home cooked meals only, with meats, fish, vegetables, butter, eggs, fruits and home baked breads, lots of homemade stews and soups with fresh herbs, root vegetables, lentils and barley.

I remember being a kid eating at my grandparents, I used to always cut the fat away from my meat and only eat the lean cuts. My gran would say 'you have to eat the fat, it's good for you'. I would never eat it though.

When I became a vegetarian then vegan, I would think back to my gran saying that and think, damn, she was so wrong.

Then when my health plummeted, and I pinpointed it was due to lack of dietary cholesterol, I thought, holy shit, my gran knew exactly what she was talking about.

It's strange to me that that moment of her telling me to eat my fat always stuck in my head, almost like part of me knew it was an important lesson before I even realised it was.

My gran was full of old time wives knowledge that had been passed down mother to daughter for generations, she sure knew my genes better than some Hawaiian vegan youtuber with no connection to what my ancestral genetic makeup is about.

I was eating so much exotic fruits as a vegan, thinking I was eating the healthiest food in the world. Sure I was eating healthy foods, but the sweetest fruit my lineage ate was wild strawberries and blackberries, one season a year.
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Weakened gums, HORRENDOUS acne, holy shit the acne was so bad.

Main reason, anxiety through the roof, I was pretty much a completely different person, afraid of anything that even approached confrontation. I self-diagnosed myself with hormonal imbalance due to lack of dietary cholesterol. I probably felt fine all those years as a vegetarian thanks to eggs and butter with breakfast every day.

So I went back to vegetarian and started to feel okay again, but on more research and more thinking, I went back to meat. I went vegetarian in the first place to reduce animal product consumption to be more healthy, then I went vegan to eliminate animal product consumption to be more healthy again. When I learned that; for my body type at least, cutting out animal products makes me less healthy, I decided to eat a diet similar to that which enabled my grandparents to live healthily into their 90's.

My grandparents ate home cooked meals only, with meats, fish, vegetables, butter, eggs, fruits and home baked breads, lots of homemade stews and soups with fresh herbs, root vegetables, lentils and barley.

I remember being a kid eating at my grandparents, I used to always cut the fat away from my meat and only eat the lean cuts. My gran would say 'you have to eat the fat, it's good for you'. I would never eat it though.

When I became a vegetarian then vegan, I would think back to my gran saying that and think, damn, she was so wrong.

Then when my health plummeted, and I pinpointed it was due to lack of dietary cholesterol, I thought, holy shit, my gran knew exactly what she was talking about.

It's strange to me that that moment of her telling me to eat my fat always stuck in my head, almost like part of me knew it was an important lesson before I even realised it was.

My gran was full of old time wives knowledge that had been passed down mother to daughter for generations, she sure knew my genes better than some Hawaiian vegan youtuber with no connection to what my ancestral genetic makeup is about.

I was eating so much exotic fruits as a vegan, thinking I was eating the healthiest food in the world. Sure I was eating healthy foods, but the sweetest fruit my lineage ate was wild strawberries and blackberries, one season a year.
Thanks for that,

Here we eat almost exactly as your grandparents did, meat only makes up a quarter of our diet sometimes less, infact there is a ham shank on the boil right now for a wonderful soup later, same with bread we make our own, and the kitchen is nice and warm, we live most of the winter in the kitchen.

One word of caution in the organic or so called organic fraternity is, if its not organic they will be exposing their bodies to copios amounts of chemicals and the food that is radiated that comes in from abroad, I think we will eventually see lots of these people going down with many types of cancer that are now making the news, many that they have not yet named, but time will tell.

The girl with the eyes that changed colour is a really beautiful person, but she is giving many false hopes to young women and men who will never be as beautiful as her and this is an awful way to push on her eating habits to others.

After reading the book, The Third Wave by Alvin Toffler you can see where we are being encouraged to wander, in it he says a vedgitarian diet is a must, in his twisted way, its a good book to read from those who are in the driving seat, similar to Hux-Ley who had inside information from our government here in the UK.
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Weakened gums, HORRENDOUS acne, holy shit the acne was so bad.

Main reason, anxiety through the roof, I was pretty much a completely different person, afraid of anything that even approached confrontation. I self-diagnosed myself with hormonal imbalance due to lack of dietary cholesterol. I probably felt fine all those years as a vegetarian thanks to eggs and butter with breakfast every day.
You may have been detoxing and/ or needed to eat differently. hard to say much when all you say you ate was sweet fruits and dont mention how long this was going on for. maybe you could have tried more greens and some nuuts. it does sound really TERRIBLE. you say you were vegetarian for "all those years" but in 2013 you posted this shortly after joining:

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Why would humans have needed to evolve claws or teeth capable of killing prey? Those traits have never been required or necessary because we used weapons, traps and hunting tactics. So instead of evolving claws, we evolved intelligence"
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doesnt sound much like a vegetarian, or ex vegetariann. more like a paleo crusader. they managed to increase demand the butter mountain is now gone $$$. you were anxious and with terrible acne for a year and jus stuck to eating mango. sure. the thread starter said somthing about keeping the thread about transitioning to vegan but that post appears to be gone so I though I would respond to this little tag team.

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what so she is beautiful therefore it is terrible to tell people about her eyes changing colour. it is amazing how going vegan makes it so obvious what a troll you are. i did have my suspicions before i suppose but now i can see all the talk about skills is just for credibiity when a more critical issue like this comes up. I suppose the skills talk is also to make out how hard it is without the system like you need to have all these skills when really planting a garden is pretty easy. it definitely increases the brain powers and sensitivity to people. helps with addictions aswell and saves money on shampoo. skin just needs water really to wash instead of all this junk oozing out the skin. id sooner trust kristina when she looks healthy and eats fully raw for years not expect overnight miracles or stick with what is obviously not working. there is reason for all these wars and shit and it is carnists. if not carnists then what? with all the depleted soils and stuff many vegans are a long way from getting a good nutrients doesnt mean that you cant learn and get better foods. these stats are amazing like 40% of all land is going to agriculture yet only 3.1% of that is for permanent crops like fruit trees, nuts and vineyards. this is some extreme waste of land. you have to bee careful with vegans aswell like atleast raw vegans are more aware of soil health and gardening. even then there is like 10 thousand years of brain damage to recover from due to eating what suits imperialists.
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You may have been detoxing and/ or needed to eat differently. hard to say much when all you say you ate was sweet fruits and dont mention how long this was going on for. maybe you could have tried more greens and some nuuts. it does sound really TERRIBLE. you say you were vegetarian for "all those years" but in 2013 you posted this shortly after joining:


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doesnt sound much like a vegetarian, or ex vegetariann. more like a paleo crusader. they managed to increase demand the butter mountain is now gone $$$.
I joined this forum in 2007, I was on the old unofficial forum before that, then this one launched in 2007 and everyone moved here from there.

I was vegetarian from 2004, went vegan in 2011 and started eating meat again in 2012.

If you search my history here back to around 2011 you'll read exactly what I was like back then.

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you were anxious and with terrible acne for a year and jus stuck to eating mango. sure.
What do you mean by this? Are you saying I'm lying? I ate mangoes sure, but not really very often, my typical diet was apples and bananas for breakfast, melons for lunch, and a huge salad for dinner, with a dressing usually made from nuts and/or avocado. I also drank a litre of green juice every day (I'd been doing that since around 2009, lemon, ginger, apple, celery, cucumber, spinach, typically).

I thought my symptoms were detox too, that's why I stuck at it despite them. But when I was no longer myself and no longer happy, I started to question the 'detox' thing. I was healthy and happy before, so why put myself through it... especially when I already have a proven dietary template to follow from my grandparents.

I didn't try to derail the thread, I made a short statement on my experience and was questioned further so answered.

And I think it's important that my experience is heard, because I know how tight a blind alley the "vegan for ultimate health" path can be. You only have to go back to my posts on here around 2011 to see I was once very much trapped in that alley. And it wasn't a philosophy or theory or dream that got me out, it was hard real world experience. And U-turning on my previous dietary beliefs was a very difficult thing to do, being vegan had quickly become very much part of my identity, I always talked about health and diet, clean and vegan eating. Everyone knew me as that guy in my real life. It wasn't a flippant decision to turn away from that, it was a necessary "I'll accept that egg on my face, thanks" decision.
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As for me sounding like a paleo crusader in that 2013 post. That's just me explaining to someone who didn't understand evolution why our development differs from other animals. Explaining it using bonafide undeniable facts.
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