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Old 01-09-2012, 02:19 PM   #1
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Many of us already know that the two have the same polcies on many big issues, but this video does a good job of showing details.

Tweedle-Dee-Dumb politics: Are Romney and Obama the same?

http://freethoughtnation.com/contrib...-the-same.html
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Old 01-09-2012, 11:53 PM   #2
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Good vid... If Mr. Romney wins it is only because OBAMA KNOWS HE WILL KEEP THIS CRAP GOING!! (The sheeple cant see that though)
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Old 02-09-2012, 12:04 AM   #3
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O'Romney 2012, for victory and peace!

You know that O'Romney is a go bombney

just like that Bush-whacked, Barack attack.

But look closely at the hammerhead hand-in-hand
with the mandrill.
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http://www.sott.net/articles/show/25...Obama-Agree-On

Republicans and Democrats, like Romney and Obama are of one mind on many more things than they disagree about. From war and empire to their policies on Big Ag, Big Energy, "clean coal and safe nuclear power," and the war on drugs their areas of agreement are vast and troubling, and perhaps far more important than the rhetorical and stylistic differences highlighted by US political campaigns.

Too much agreement between Republicans and Democrats has always been bad news for those at the bottom of America's class and racial totem poles.

Back in 1875, Frederick Douglass observed that it took a war among the whites to free his people from slavery. What then, he wondered, would an era of peace among the whites bring us? He already knew the answer. Louisiana had its Colfax Massacre two years earlier. A wave of thousands upon thousands of terroristic bombings, shootings, mutilations, murders and threats had driven African Americans from courthouses, city halls, legislatures, from their own farms, businesses and private properties and from the voting rolls across the South. They didn't get the vote back for 80 years, and they never did get the land back. But none of that mattered because on the broad and important questions of those days there was at last peace between white Republicans and white Democrats --- squabbles around the edges about who'd get elected, but wide agreement on the rules of the game.

Like Douglass, the shallow talking heads who cover the 2012 presidential campaign on corporate media have noticed out loud the remarkable absence of disagreement between Republican and Democratic candidates on many matters. They usually mention what the establishment likes to call "foreign policy." But the list of things Republicans and Democrat presidential candidates agree on, from coddling Wall Street speculators, protecting mortgage fraudsters and corporate wrongdoers to preventing Medicare For All to so-called "foreign policy," "free trade," "the deficit" "clean coal and safe nuclear power" and "entitlement reform," is clearly longer and more important than the few points of mostly race and style, upon which they disagree.

15

Although unemployment is the highest it's been since the Great Depression, the federal government should NOT enact any sort of WPA-style program to put millions of people back to work. Under Democrat Franklin Roosevelt in the 1930s, Depression-era unemployment was tackled head on by direct federal hiring to dig subways, build roads, schools, parks, sewers, recreational facilities and public buildings. Oblivious of this history, Democrat Barack Obama maintains that only the private sector can or should create jobs.

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Medicare, Medicaid and social security are "entitlements" that need to be cut to relieve what they call "the deficit." Republicans have been on record for this since forever, though they claim not to want to mess with the Medicare people already over 65 are getting. One of the first acts of the Obama presidency was to appoint a bipartisan panel stacked with "deficit hawks" like Republican Allan Simpson and Democrat Erskine Bowles to recommend raising retirement ages and cutting back Medicaid, Medicare and social security, and pass a law directing Congress to have an up or down no-amendments vote on its recommendations. Fortunately the "cat food commission", as it was called, was deadlocked and offered none. But Obama and top Democrats, most recently House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi continue to express their readiness for some kind of "grand compromise" with Republicans on this issue.

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Climate change treaties and negotiations that might lead to them should be avoided at all costs. The differences between them are only style. Democrats admit that climate change exists and is man-made, Republicans say it's a myth. But both ignored the Kyoto protocol and Obama like Bush before him, has worked tirelessly to delay, derail and boycott any actual talks that might lead to constructive international climate change agreements.

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NAFTA was such a great thing it really should be extended to Central and South America and the entire Pacific rim. Again, there are differences in style. On the 2008 campaign trail, Obama sometimes mumbled about renegotiating parts of NAFTA, and such. But even before the primaries were done, press reports had him assuring the Canadian government this was only campaign rhetoric, raw meat for the rubes. In four years he has pushed NAFTA-like "free trade" corporate rights agreements with South Korea, most of Central America and is now secretly hammering out something called the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement.

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Banksters and Wall Street speculators deserve their bailouts and protection from criminal liability, but underwater and foreclosed homeowners deserve nothing. Well, maybe not exactly nothing. Republicans think underwater homeowners deserve blame for forcing banksters to offer millions of fraudulent high-interest loans were then re-sold to investors around the world. Democrats think underwater homeowners deserve empty promises of help that never quite arrives for most of the foreclosed, the about-to-be foreclosed, their families and communities. But both agree on free money for banksters and speculators but no moratorium on foreclosures and no criminal investigations of mortgage and securities fraud.

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Palestinians should be occupied, dispossessed and ignored. Iran should be starved and threatened from all sides. Cuba should be embargoed, and Americans prohibited from going there to see what its people have done in a half century free of Yankee rule. Black and brown babies and their parents, relatives and neighbors should be bombed with drones in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and similar places. The politicians and corporate commentators have a misleading name for this. They call it "foreign policy." The realistic term for it is global empire.

9

Africa should be militarized, destabilized, plundered and where necessary, invaded by proxy armies like those of Rwanda, Ethiopia, Burundi or Kenya, or directly by Western air and ground forces, as in Libya. President Georgia Bush announced the formation of AFRICOM, the US military command for the continent which has officially swallowed all US civilian diplomatic presence. But only a black US president, even under the cover of "humanitarian war" could have invaded an African nation and openly dispatched special forces to Central Africa.

8

US Presidents can kidnap citizens of their own or any nation on earth from anyplace on the planet for torture, indefinite imprisonment without trial or murder them and neighboring family and bystanders at will. To be perfectly fair, there are distinctions between Republicans and Democrats here that don't amount to differences. Republicans Cheney and Bush got their lawyers to say these things were OK and did them. Democrat Obama got Congress to enact "laws" giving these acts a veneer of fake legality, something a Republican probably could not have done.

7

Oil and energy companies, and other mega-polluters must be freed to drill offshore almost everywhere, and permitted to poison land and watersheds with fracking to achieve "energy independence". The Republicans say "drill baby drill" but it seems only Democrats can chill out enough supposed "environmentalists" to make this happen. Obama campaigned on restricting offshore drilling four years ago, and reversed himself just before the BP oil disaster in the Gulf. The White House cooperated with BP in lying to the public about the extent of the disaster and has shielded BO from paying anything like the value of actual damages incurred to livelihoods, human lives and the environment.

6

The FCC should not and must not regulate telecoms to ensure that poor and rural communities have access to internet, or to guarantee network neutrality. Republicans have always been in favor of digital redlining, against network neutrality. Barack Obama claimed on the campaign trail he'd take a back seat to nobody in guaranteeing network neutrality. But he appointed as FCC chair a man who helped write the infamous Telecommunications Act of 1995, which gave away the government-built internet backbone to a handful of immensely powerful telecoms like AT&T and Comcast, and flatly reversed himself on network neutrality. The Department of Justice was forced to stop the ATT-T-Mobile merger by a storm of public outrage, but approved the Comcast-NBC deal.

5

Of course there really ARE such things as "clean coal" and "safe nuclear energy". Again these are things Republicans have always pretended to believe. At the 2008 Democratic convention Democrat Barack Obama joined them, declaring he intended to be the president of "clean coal and safe nuclear energy." Obama is building a wave of 33 nuclear plants across the country, the first two in mostly black and poor communities of Georgia and South Carolina where leaky existing nukes are causing cancer epidemics. The people know these things are myths. But Republican and Democratic candidates for office, all the way down to state and county officials seem not to.

4

Immigrants must be jailed and deported in record numbers. To be really fair, one should note that on this issue Republicans talk a mean game about sending them all back and jailing tens or hundreds of thousands along the way. But only President Obama has walked the walk, deporting over a million immigrants in his term in office, often with little or no due process and after housing many for months in atrocious privatized immigration prisons.

3

No Medicare For All. Forget about it eliminating the Medicare age requirement so that all Americans would qualify.. Republicans never wanted Medicare even for seniors, let alone everybody. Six or seven years ago Illinois State Senator Obama was telling audiences that if they elected Democrats to Congress, the Senate and the White House, they'd get single payer health care. But once in office he excluded Medicare for All from the proposals on the table, and enacted a national version of Massachusetts RomneyCare, requiring everybody to purchase private health insurance or be penalized.

2

No minimum wage increases for you, no right to form a union, no right to negotiate or strike if you already have a union, and no enforcement or reform of existing labor laws. Again, Republicans have always opposed minimum wage laws. Obama promised to boost the minimum wage his first two years in office, while he still had majorities in the House and Senate. But he didn't do this, or pass legislation beefing up the right to organize unions, which has been eroded under Democrat and Republican administrations alike.

1

The 40 year war on drugs must continue, and even mention of the prison state is unthinkable. There are 2.3 million people in US prisons and jails today, a per capita total that beats the world. Politicians of both parties wag their fingers in multiple directions. But as Michelle Alexander points out, if the US prison population were rolled back to say, only 1 million, the level it was about 1980, this would mean one million jobs, as contractors, sheriffs, cops, bailiffs, judges and functionaries of all kinds would have to go out and find real jobs.

The rabbit hole goes still deeper. We didn't have to stop at these fifteen points of Democrat-Republican agreement, but you get the idea. Just as in Frederick Douglass's day, the more Democrats and Republicans agree, the worse it is for the rest of us.

There was a time when black America had its own principles, and formed the immovable leftmost rock of the American polity. But in the 21st century, that rock has been dissolved by a tide of corporate money. With the rise of a cohort of black corporate Democrats and a right wing black Democrat in the White House there is no longer even any vaguely leftish influence on Democratic party politics. The House Progressive Caucus is the biggest in Congress, with over seventy members, but is powerless and irrelevant. Except for stylistic flourishes, the music they listen to and the color of some faces, the differences between Republicans and Democrats seem to exist mostly in political marketing campaigns and inside our own heads......

choosing the lesser of two evils is still evil imo !!!!
vote out all the losers
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:09 PM   #6
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Romney and Obama are the same in that they're both empty suits that spout whatever rhetoric that their claimed side wants to hear. Their real job if elected, and it doesn't matter which one, is to be the front man atop a bureaucracy that is completely controlled by bankers, corporations, and globalists. Human beings are so gullible that they fall for this time and time again. Almost every person surveyed at the RNC after Romney's nomination speech said the same thing, "He told me what I wanted to hear." And these people actually believe what that con man was saying like he's the second coming.

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Old 07-09-2012, 09:25 PM   #7
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well seen as romney was the only one to declare war on russia and enemy's of isreal i think obama is the choice.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:30 PM   #8
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well seen as romney was the only one to declare war on russia and enemy's of isreal i think obama is the choice.
Yeah, out of the choice of two evils I'll go with OBama, even though he may turn out to be the shyte.
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Yeah, out of the choice of two evils I'll go with OBama, even though he may turn out to be the shyte.
Not voting is the best vote. A low turnout forces them to take some heed.
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Not voting is the best vote. A low turnout forces them to take some heed.
not voting should be a non option in the us, to not vote then cry afterwards is the lowest scum
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:38 PM   #13
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2 different monkey's, same organ grinder.

Whoever wins will toe the elites agenda.
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I have this theory that the most powerful people at the top of the pyramid so-to-speak are all psychopaths. Psychopaths are selfish and manipulative control freaks who mainly prey upon the weak and vulnerable. If another psychopath gets in their way the whole alpha male thing kicks in. But they do appear to work with each other when convenient to accomplish the same goals.

So in my theory you have psychopathic group A and psychopathic group B each vying for control of the planet and it's resources no matter what it takes. The republicans represent one group and the democrats another.

No matter what puppet mouthpiece winds up in the white house, their military/industrial spending will be the same along with their foreign policy. The difference is superficial. There is no greater or lesser of the two evils, it's the same frigging animal.

Their methods will be different but the outcome is always the same. Gore would have invaded Iraq, but probably under some other bullshit pretense. McCain would not have had a 'humanitarian' mission in Libya, he would have started a (short) war which is what it was anyways.

None of these guys are on your side. Do not bother wasting your time voting. The yay/nay Jerusalem thing is the second time bullshit was televised for photograph in under a couple of weeks (the impossible RP teleprompter results). There is voter fraud spoken of in every election and even Israeli "secured" voting machines. The Israeli "secured" White House phones are what was tapped exposing the Monica thing with Clinton. Don't trust anything made by Israelis. Not even their Intel processors with serial codes. They probably mix that soda stream fluid with Palestinian blood.

We don't elect our elected officials except on small-scale community levels. The unaccountable banksters select them for us. The media and the election is just a ruse to make it look like we have a say in the matter.

The solution is not love either, it's the opposite. It's hate and bloodshed for the puppet masters and sooner or later it will hopefully happen.
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Old 07-09-2012, 11:59 PM   #15
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The others above summed it nicely, motleyhoo, parrot, unkruthless, etc

This is a no choice election. They either do what their masters tell them or they will go out feet first. The last president who actually thought he was president was given a bad hair day in Dallas. And that really signified the beginning of the end, its been fast downhill since then, it picked up major speed by 1985 and its in our faces now brazenly, They are laughing at us openly now in a fuck you bravado.

That gal over at Rumor News Network sums up the two main factions and smaller factions nicely. Soros is a Obama backer and The Rothschilds and Rockerfellers have their favorites. They are all criminals and they suddenly switch sides in the next breathe. Think of them as the ruling commission of the five familias, each run by a ruthless Don. They are so busy trying to be king of the hill, that's is what has really impeded them and the main reason we are not in those fucking camps already; the infighting to be boss of bosses.

That gal is Rayelan Russbacher and she has very interesting exposes of the inside, as her late military husband was close to the inside. It pans out with the rest of conspiracy circle lore was to what is really happening.

Three-four weeks ago I did not vote for the very first time in my long life, in the primaries and I will not vote in the general election. Things are too far gone now, I see it as hopeless nearly. Only a military coup and rounding up, military tribunals and trials like happened at Nuremberg, and sending of useless financial terrorist scumbags to the blade of the guillotine will save our asses now.

Sorry but this is the sad truth. I also think there are inconsistencies in the matrix that warrant interpretation and real critical analysis. Is Putin one of them or is he on board? It is said he broke his programming and booted the illuminati out of Russia, some say not. Why is China building vast ghost cities and if war and nuclear annihilation is on the horizon, why would they build the greatest engineering project since the great pyramids, ( just completed in May) The Three Gorges dam. They just launched the biggest aircraft carrier I have ever seen , a catamaran style monster vessel capable of launching 4 jets simultaneously. and refueling subs. What are they thinking about?

The biggest social bomb of all is as forum member stompk pointdr out in another thread, is the gambling away of pension funds in the Libor Heist in credit default swaps. My favorite bomb ticking is Social Security, This is a real power keg, 10,000 baby boomers are retiring daily and the politicians want the money back to give to Wall St. or to privatize it with very very meager payouts

There is no difference to us on the bottom with our hands tied and pants pulled down. Perhaps the Creator will send a asteroid and ends the whole wicked mess.

believenothing is spot on, they are textbook classic psychopaths operating. They need removing. It is like a runaway freight train with mad engineers at the throttle.

excellent summary unckleruthless, if everyone could see the truths
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Yeah, out of the choice of two evils I'll go with OBama, even though he may turn out to be the shyte.
Why would you vote for evil?

Do you think that killing children with drones is a good thing?
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not voting should be a non option in the us, to not vote then cry afterwards is the lowest scum
Not voting is the best option in the US.
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I have this theory that the most powerful people at the top of the pyramid so-to-speak are all psychopaths. Psychopaths are selfish and manipulative control freaks who mainly prey upon the weak and vulnerable. If another psychopath gets in their way the whole alpha male thing kicks in. But they do appear to work with each other when convenient to accomplish the same goals.

So in my theory you have psychopathic group A and psychopathic group B each vying for control of the planet and it's resources no matter what it takes. The republicans represent one group and the democrats another.

No matter what puppet mouthpiece winds up in the white house, their military/industrial spending will be the same along with their foreign policy. The difference is superficial. There is no greater or lesser of the two evils, it's the same frigging animal.

Their methods will be different but the outcome is always the same. Gore would have invaded Iraq, but probably under some other bullshit pretense. McCain would not have had a 'humanitarian' mission in Libya, he would have started a (short) war which is what it was anyways.

None of these guys are on your side. Do not bother wasting your time voting. The yay/nay Jerusalem thing is the second time bullshit was televised for photograph in under a couple of weeks (the impossible RP teleprompter results). There is voter fraud spoken of in every election and even Israeli "secured" voting machines. The Israeli "secured" White House phones are what was tapped exposing the Monica thing with Clinton. Don't trust anything made by Israelis. Not even their Intel processors with serial codes. They probably mix that soda stream fluid with Palestinian blood.

We don't elect our elected officials except on small-scale community levels. The unaccountable banksters select them for us. The media and the election is just a ruse to make it look like we have a say in the matter.

The solution is not love either, it's the opposite. It's hate and bloodshed for the puppet masters and sooner or later it will hopefully happen.
+1

Every time someone votes for a republican or a democrat (with only a very few insignificant exceptions), they are supporting the corrupt system and validating every evil thing that both parties are doing.
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Every time someone votes for a republican or a democrat (with only a very few insignificant exceptions), they are supporting the corrupt system and validating every evil thing that both parties are doing.
It really is simple to end this bullshit, but people are selfish. The minute we stop playing their stupid rigged game and say enough it ends. Problem is too many people have a vested interest in the rigged game, specially the ones who think they are smart because they have a piece of paper on the wall that proves they are great at regurgitating someone else's opinion.
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It really is simple to end this bullshit, but people are selfish. The minute we stop playing their stupid rigged game and say enough it ends. Problem is too many people have a vested interest in the rigged game, specially the ones who think they are smart because they have a piece of paper on the wall that proves they are great at regurgitating someone else's opinion.
You are absolutely correct. People have to quit playing the game.

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