A message to those that say 'I'm only doin my job'

[elshaper]

yeah of course. They should all go to war because we are paying for it. That makes sense.

[markritter]

Originally Posted by elshaper

yeah of course. They should all go to war because we are paying for it. That makes sense.

I never said that. Odd how you came to that conclusion.

So what do you do for a living? you are happy to be judgemental about such a wide group of people for what they do so lets hear what you do. You clearly think you are morally superior so you should have nothing to hide about such a simple question.

[elshaper]

Let's just say that I am trying to bring down corruption, fighting with evil. That's my job right now.

You do realise, you are not your job title...don't you? lol

[white light]

Originally Posted by markritter

The fact that his tax pays the wages of all those people that you condemn as well as going towards all weapons of war and the like.

So what do you do for a living? you seem to be avoiding the question.

What it looks like to me is that some people have such a hatred for people from walks of life that they don't approve of that they want them to be judged harshly and punished. The same goes for a lot of religious people who preach forgiveness and love and yet want to see people they don't agree with burning in hell.

David, as well as many other people, says infinite love is the only way. The bible says love covers all sins, so in effect all of those people who are being judged by you are able to be released from their punishment by love. Have you the strength to give love to people like that to help release them?

It's the military industrial complex innit.

Thing is, some jobs and professions don't impose anyone's will upon the public. Others do. What are we to make of this, is it ok?

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[elshaper]

I think markritter has missed the point completely or has not watched David's video. I don't mean that what David says is the bible but on this occasion I agree with him. IF police officers speak out and exposes internal corruption.... If only soldiers said "We see we've been used as pawn and we are not fighting the real war"..... there will be no war. However, a lot of them will keep their mouth shut and let the corruption carry on for the sake of keeping the job.

[the tealady]

Originally Posted by markritter

No, the question marks mean I am asking questions At the end of the day ANYBODY who pays tax could be implicated, which would INCLUDE David Icke himself.

Why don't you just answer my question instead of being defensive?

It's obvious that the people referred to in this thread are public servants or their contractors. Folk who are duty bound to uphold the lowah.

[the tealady]

Ritchie Allen recently interviewed a woman who lost her benefit. They recorded her as having refused to attend review meetings. In fact she was in hospital having open heart surgery and had tried to reschedule the times, send doctors letters etc. These are the situations being referred to.

The PS and their contractors = the greatest sheltered workshop on earth.

[silent revolution]

People whether they believe it or not have the will free to do a job or try to find something else. They are also responsible for any harm that is caused to a person by their decisions or actions. If the alternative is hardship rather than take an immoral job, they take the job because they don't want to suffer hardship or because they don't care about the moral side of it. They chose to take the job though.

Things really are set up against us, but we prop the f**king system up and continue it on. If people were very moral and really thought everything out, the system would have no option but to adapt to the will and the ways of the people. We keep putting up with more and more shit, and we know it's only going to get worse. The more people who start making moral decisions about their lives, the faster things will change for the better. There are a lot of people who have left jobs because they couldn't deal with how immoral the job was and this is a good thing. We can't let the sick society be our future, it is no future at all.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friends

[the tealady]

Originally Posted by silent revolution

People whether they believe it or not have the will free to do a job or try to find something else. They are also responsible for any harm that is caused to a person by their decisions or actions. If the alternative is hardship rather than take an immoral job, they take the job because they don't want to suffer hardship or because they don't care about the moral side of it. They chose to take the job though.

Things really are set up against us, but we prop the f**king system up and continue it on. If people were very moral and really thought everything out, the system would have no option but to adapt to the will and the ways of the people. We keep putting up with more and more shit, and we know it's only going to get worse. The more people who start making moral decisions about their lives, the faster things will change for the better. There are a lot of people who have left jobs because they couldn't deal with how immoral the job was and this is a good thing. We can't let the sick society be our future, it is no future at all.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friends

Over the years I was able to gently talk 3 people out of their sales jobs with Coca Cola. They just needed to be reminded to follow their heart and that they deserved better. This company treats its staff and customers like dirt and if there was any way to stop selling fizzy drinks in my shop they would have been long gone. People are addicted to it and expect it to be there. The fridges churn up power and the profit margins are crap ecxept of in petrol stations who have a lower buying and selling price.

[elshaper]

Originally Posted by silent revolution

People whether they believe it or not have the will free to do a job or try to find something else. They are also responsible for any harm that is caused to a person by their decisions or actions. If the alternative is hardship rather than take an immoral job, they take the job because they don't want to suffer hardship or because they don't care about the moral side of it. They chose to take the job though.

I would rather be poor than having to go against my will and purpose. But each to their own really. Everyone's in a different position such as having family to support etc. I made a conscious decision not to bring children into this horrid world. But some people were born to work on family.

Things really are set up against us, but we prop the f**king system up and continue it on. If people were very moral and really thought everything out, the system would have no option but to adapt to the will and the ways of the people. We keep putting up with more and more shit, and we know it's only going to get worse. The more people who start making moral decisions about their lives, the faster things will change for the better. There are a lot of people who have left jobs because they couldn't deal with how immoral the job was and this is a good thing. We can't let the sick society be our future, it is no future at all.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friends

Very well said.
Majority still bury their heads in the sand, preferring not to know what is really going on e.g. child abuse etc It's 'other people's problem' for them.
But members here can see how we are one, this is beyond political and it's spiritual, and child abuse happening somewhere else in the country is our problem. We have many talented bunch in the forum. 'Intellectual' is limited in a way. Intelligence of a different kind is what we are tapping into.

[markritter]

Originally Posted by white light

It's the military industrial complex innit.

Thing is, some jobs and professions don't impose anyone's will upon the public. Others do. What are we to make of this, is it ok?

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The thing is that not all military people actually fight! there are loads of them who have never fired a shot in anger, nor been exposed to combat. What about medic for instance, they have to treat the worst injured person first, whether friend or foe. Are they going to suffer for that? are they forcing themselves on the public?

Even if peoples jobs don't force upon the public you might find that those same people are still negative, aggressive, and forceful to people. Being in a uniform doesn't make somebody an oppressor and not wearing one doesn't suddenly make somebody a good guy. Its not that black and white.

[markritter]

Originally Posted by the tealady

Ritchie Allen recently interviewed a woman who lost her benefit. They recorded her as having refused to attend review meetings. In fact she was in hospital having open heart surgery and had tried to reschedule the times, send doctors letters etc. These are the situations being referred to.

The PS and their contractors = the greatest sheltered workshop on earth.

Its does seem that a lot of them are thoughtless people!

[markritter]

Originally Posted by the tealady

Over the years I was able to gently talk 3 people out of their sales jobs with Coca Cola. They just needed to be reminded to follow their heart and that they deserved better. This company treats its staff and customers like dirt and if there was any way to stop selling fizzy drinks in my shop they would have been long gone. People are addicted to it and expect it to be there. The fridges churn up power and the profit margins are crap ecxept of in petrol stations who have a lower buying and selling price.

So did those people find other jobs?

While you may have convinced them to do what you thought was right, those jobs would have been snapped up by somebody else so nothing would change really.

[markritter]

Originally Posted by elshaper

Let's just say that I am trying to bring down corruption, fighting with evil. That's my job right now.

You do realise, you are not your job title...don't you? lol

I get the impression you are unemployed but don't want to admit it.

If you can bring down evil and corruption then good on you.

Like you said, a person is not their job title, so if a person was a policeman then that does not define them as a person does it?

[markritter]

Back to the original post. Do you all believe there is an after death judgement? its sounds so much like pseudo Christianity. Who is the judge?

Karma doesn't need a judge nor a judgement as you automatically generate the reactions to your choice, good or bad, but to believe in judgement implies a judge, so who is it?

[the tealady]

Originally Posted by markritter

So did those people find other jobs?

While you may have convinced them to do what you thought was right, those jobs would have been snapped up by somebody else so nothing would change really.

Yes they did find jobs where they were happier, and while other people filled those positions the original 3 were in a much better place, and that was the primary reason for influencing them.

[silent revolution]

Originally Posted by markritter

Back to the original post. Do you all believe there is an after death judgement? its sounds so much like pseudo Christianity. Who is the judge?

Karma doesn't need a judge nor a judgement as you automatically generate the reactions to your choice, good or bad, but to believe in judgement implies a judge, so who is it?

There is an after death judgement. You get to judge yourself after going through every moment of your whole life, which exposes all those things you wanted to hide from yourself and brush under the carpet. Death is the great revealer, showing you everything as it really was.
It's far more awful for some to be their own judge rather than God being the judge. It means the individual is given the responsibility of the judgement after a whole lifetime of trying to be ignorant to what they are responsible for.

We spend our whole lives judging others but how often do we judge ourselves? I think this is why a lot of people are so scared shitless of their own death.

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friend

[elshaper]

Originally Posted by markritter

I get the impression you are unemployed but don't want to admit it.

If you can bring down evil and corruption then good on you.

Like you said, a person is not their job title, so if a person was a policeman then that does not define them as a person does it?

I don't have to answer every question you ask and you are wrong.

No but they are still serving their masters and not the public who they are supposed to serve. I am speaking from my own experience dealing with the police and from others. They are basically self-serving tossers. I have a good things to say about firemen though. So many times police served corporation and do terrible thing to innocent people. As for peadophilia, if a number of them stood up and exposed their colleagues, so many victims didn't have to suffer in silence for decades.

[elshaper]

Originally Posted by markritter

Back to the original post. Do you all believe there is an after death judgement? its sounds so much like pseudo Christianity. Who is the judge?

Karma doesn't need a judge nor a judgement as you automatically generate the reactions to your choice, good or bad, but to believe in judgement implies a judge, so who is it?

These kind of things have been discussed in numerous threads already.
Try reincarnation threads. Ultimately, we are the judge since we are the God.
Karma doesn't exist but if you believe it to be so, there is.

[markritter]

Originally Posted by elshaper

These kind of things have been discussed in numerous threads already.
Try reincarnation threads. Ultimately, we are the judge since we are the God.
Karma doesn't exist but if you believe it to be so, there is.

Try a straight answer for once rather than trying to fob people off.

Lol, so after death judgement exists but karma doesn't. As you said, if that's what you believe then so it is. That applies to everything!

I expect you will say karma is part of the control matrix but any sort of after death judgment scene could be exactly the same. If the reactions are based on what you have actually done then it cant be anything but fair and just.