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Old 03-07-2010, 08:23 PM   #1
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Bees, Beehives

Humanity has always had a close relationship with bees, whose honey has have been a food staple since before the dawn of civilization. As a symbol, the bees’ lifestyle mimics that of the human social order- a cooperative, productive social hierarchy.

In fact, beekeeping is one of the earliest markers of civilized society- bees provided many of the necessities of advancement, providing not only food, but wax for metalworking, cosmetics, and medicines, as well as the ever-important pollination of fruit trees and other food crops.


Hieroglyphic Bee symbolizing the Kingdom of Lower Egypt

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The cultivation of honey was a sacred charge often imbued with ritual symbolism and associated with the mother goddess, whose nurturing protection of mankind was symbolized by the the abundance of honey provided to bee society under the reign of the queen bee.

As it was widely believed that bees were born spontaneously, they were widely viewed as symbols of chastity and purity. The Bee’s never-flagging labours made them an emblem of hard work, industriousness, teamwork, perseverance, charity, selflessness, and constancy. These virtues are recalled in many heraldic emblems and personal seals, as well as in the emblems of Freemasonry, the Church of Latter-Day Saints, and in countless trademarks.


Observances of the annual hibernation of the hives also resulted in the belief that bees died and were reborn annually, and this, along with their colouring, made them a natural solar symbol- and later, an emblem of Christ in to Christian believers. Greek followers of the goddess Demeter believed her priestesses would be reincarnated as bees; the priestesses of the Ephesian Diana wre called melissae- bees.


Deshret or DSRT also represents the insect known as the honeybee. The Book of Mormon claims that the word Deseret means honeybee.



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The Great Work of the Masonic Beehive





The bee-hive is an important symbol in the third degree,

The Beehive teaches us that as we are born into the world rational and intelligent beings, so ought we also to be industrious ones, and not stand idly by or gaze with listless indifference on even the meanest of our fellow creatures in a state of distress if it is in our power to help them without detriment to ourselves or our connections; the constant practice, -of this virtue is enjoined o,n all created beings, from the highest seraph in heaven to the meanest reptile that crawls in the dust.”

http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/aqc/beehive.html

..and it is extensively mentioned in the lecture where it is depicted as a symbol of industry, hence the work of the Lodge, so that Masons should continue to learn in all stages of life. Bees are able to accomplish large tasks because they cooperate in force, a single bee can do very little. This is in parallel to Masonry, where strength is gained by the active participation of all its members. The bee is also the emblem of several Greco-Roman and Indian gods, including Cupid and Kama, both gods of love.


The Egyptians believed that bees were born from the tears of the Sun-god, Ra. Bees are also depicted on many ancient tombs, as symbols of the afterlife and resurrection. This probably came from the fact that bees do not leave their hive during the three month hibernation period, only to reappear later. Some compared this to Christ’s resurrection, whereby his body vanished for three days, only to reappear after the resurrection. Furthermore, bees’ honey and sting are also associated with Christ and Judgment Day.

In Ireland bees were legally protected, for they produce honey which in turn produces mead, the drink of immortality that flows in the Otherworld. In Christian allegory a queen bee sometimes represents the Virgin Mary, the hive symbolizing the Church. The coat of arms of Pope Urban VIII and Napoleon I, for example, depicts several bees.


The Beehive As A Focal Point For Masonic Meditation
http://www.themasonictrowel.com/Arti...ocal_point.htm

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All Masons should be burned at the stake in the name of Jesus and Yahweh. I wish I could hear their screams now as they are purified by fire enroute to hell.
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All Masons should be burned at the stake in the name of Jesus and Yahweh. I wish I could hear their screams now as they are purified by fire enroute to hell.
Why should all Masons be burnt? What have any of them done to you for them all to be murdered?
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All Masons should be burned at the stake in the name of Jesus and Yahweh. I wish I could hear their screams now as they are purified by fire enroute to hell.
Is this what your Christ has died for? The saviour of likes of you? The many that pray for a release of your prison? Yet you wish harm on other men risk tisk You hypercritical Christian sheepish fool! Stop and Look around you in this day wheres your heaven?

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=lightgiver;1059020924The bee-hive is an important symbol in the third degree
TOTAL nonsense. The beehive is simply a religious symbol of Virgin Birth. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the "industry" of the bee and the "industry" of a Masonic Lodge.

Pure fantasy.



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The construction of Iona, and of other Culdee monasteries was clearly Eastern-influenced, with little or no Roman influence in the use of mortared stone or architectural design. These monastic communities of the Culdees consisted of groups of detached huts or beehive cells that were not centred around one big cathedral, as was the Roman custom, which suggests a Syrian origin. (SOURCE: TWELVE APOSTLES AND THE CULDEES by Yuri Kuchinsky)


See the symbol of the beehive cell seated on the Bible in the left hand of St Patrick who was a Culdee.

http://www.fourfoldpath.org/culdeesfreemasons.htm

The Free Masonic connection and the reference to death and rebirth as eptomised by what was monasticlly regarded as the asexual or virgin reproduction of the beehive.
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Sleep well.
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TOTAL nonsense. The beehive is simply a religious symbol of Virgin Birth. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the "industry" of the bee and the "industry" of a Masonic Lodge.

Pure fantasy.
No back up as usual just typical troll like bee hive I our



I am surprised you can sleep

Bees vs. Hornets: The Struggle



You like your stones don't you GS........LOL

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Saint Patrick - burned whole libraries upon his arrival in Ireland. An agent he was, like St. Columba, sent to eliminate the Druids, so that few would trace the origins of the world's educators - the Irish (Aryans)

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Why should all Masons be burnt? What have any of them done to you for them all to be murdered?
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They put me through MK Ultra as a kid to be a Monarch slave for one. I still remember the rituals and the torture. They illegally removed the French King and worked the Dauphin to death in the 1700s. They have perverted the holy church.

My cousin King Philip never did anything so fine as to burn the Templars.

I sleep well at the thought of the warmth of them burning.
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No back up as usual just typical troll like bee hive I our



I am surprised you can sleep

Bees vs. Hornets: The Struggle

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You like your stones don't you GS........LOL

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Saint Patrick - burned whole libraries upon his arrival in Ireland. An agent he was, like St. Columba, sent to eliminate the Druids, so that few would trace the origins of the world's educators - the Irish (Aryans)
I suggest you read my post again. To be fair to you I have added a great deal of source material since you read it.

The Masonic religion IS The Stone Religion of the Culdees. The evidence and the history is overwhelming. St Patrick converted the Druids to Christianity, he did NOT eliminate them in the physical sense.

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"Druidism itself was known in ancient Britain as "Y Maen", "The Stone Religion" or "The Stone Kingdom". Let us remember that Zion means "Stone" and Mount Zion is "The Mount of Stone". (SOURCE: Tracing our Ancestors by Frederick Haberman)
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"In the Druidic order indeed centered, and from it radiated to the whole world, civil and ecclesiastical knowledge of the realm: they were its statesmen, legislators, priests, physicians, lawyers, teachers, poets; the depositories of all human and divine knowledge; its Churches and parliament; its courts of law; its college of physicians and surgeons; its magistrates, clergy and bishops." (SOURCE: St. Paul in Britain, Rev'd R. W. Morgan: 1860)
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"The Druidical College of Derry was converted into a Culdee Monastery. About the year 561 Columba and twelve companions left Ireland to build the Monastery of Icolmkill, and Masonic legend assigns the lectures of Harodim to this Monastery; they founded Colleges at Govan and Kilwinning." (SOURCE: The Druids and the Politics of Celtic Scholarship, John Toland: 1670-1722)
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"From a Masonic document now in my possession, I can prove that no very long time ago the Culdees of York were Freemasons, that they constituted the Grand Lodge of England, and that they held their meetings in the Crypt under the great Cathedral of that city. The circular chapter-house did very well for ordinary business, but the Secret Mysteries were carried on in the crypts. The Lodge, which was the Grand Lodge of All England, had been held under the Cathedral in the Crypt at York." (SOURCE: p.718, Anacalypsis Vol. 1, Godfrey Higgins: 1833-1836.)
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"The Culdees of York was the name borne by the Canons Regular of St Peter's of York about AD 925." St Peter's of York, York Minster: Cathedral and Metropolitical Church of St Peter in York (SOURCE: p.615, Volume V07, Encyclopaedia Brittanica 11th edition: 1911)
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"In England they occur nowhere but at St Peter's, in York, as mentioned above. At York, Athelstane found them, and gave them his friendship and protection. It is said that he employed them in building churches, convents and castles. Archbishop Usher and others treat of this subject, but the old writers on the papal side of the question are said to have purposely avoided making mention of the Culdees. This sect was first spoken of in connection with the Masonic society by Ignatius Aurelius Fessler, a distinguished Masonic writer of Germany. (SOURCE: p.369, Masonic Eclectic or Gleanings from the Harvest Field of Masonic Literature Part 2, John W. Simons: 1860)
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"This church and the civilization introduced by the Romans were swept away by the Picts and Saxons, and the members, called Culdees, were compelled to hide in the wilderness of Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and the small islands between Great Britain and Ireland; chiefly in Anglesey and Iona, where they preserved their Apostolic institutions, which were modeled after the most ancient Christian church, which, it is well known, was the secret or Masonic form.

Now it is only in such districts as Druidism is known to have lingered in for generations that hereditary priestly descent in the Christian Church has been observed. In Brittany it prevailed until it was abolished by Hildebert, Archbishop of Tours, in 1127. At the end of that century Giraldus Cambrensis complains of it as a disgrace to Wales that sons should follow their fathers in the priestly office. Moreover, it is precisely in these localities where Druidism had been most strongly entrenched that we find the largest Culdee settlements. At Ripon and York they dwelt and flourished, in the time of Bede, and they worshipped at the Church of St. Peter in the latter city so late as the year 936. (SOURCE: The Mysteries of Britain: Secret Rites and Traditions of Ancient Britain Restored: 1905)
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"It is more than probable that the peculiarities of the Culdee system arose from the engraftation of Druidical beliefs upon the Christian faith. Many learned writers have sought to derive Free Masonry both from Druidical and Culdee establishment. The following may be pointed out at random:- The custom of symbolising Craft officers by the sun and the moon; for the Arch Druid bore the sun and crescent moon on his head dress, whilst the Bard was designated by the moon, equally the tonsure of a Culdee Monk went from ear to ear, in crescent, as opposed to the coronial tonsure of the Romans. A Culdee origin has also been claimed for the Templars." (SOURCE: The Arcane Schools, a Review of their Origin and Antiquity with a History of Freemasonry, John Yarker: Belfast 1909)
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"The history of architecture, given in the York charter, proves that its compilers possessed the debris, disassociated from the historical facts, of the ancient synthesis. They were the most learned men of Europe in that epoch of universal ignorance. Their quotations of the Phoenicians, Hermes, Euclid, Ninus, Athens, Pythagorus, Vitruvius, Archimedes and others fill us with astonishment considering the importance of these citations. Can it, indeed, have been the Culdees who carried the sciences of antiquity over the black gulf of mediaeval disregard?" (SOURCE: Ancient Freemasonry: An Introduction to Masonic Archeology, The Culdees as Early Masons, by Frank Higgins: New York, 1919)
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The Culdees of York were among the guardians of the Masonic tradition in the tenth century, and the Old Charges tell us that an assembly of Masons was held at York during the reign of King Athelstan, when a reorganization of the Craft took place. (SOURCE: A New Encyclopaedia of Freemasonry (Ars Magna Latomorum) and of Cognate Instituted Mysteries: Their Rites, Literature, and History, Arthur Edward Waite: 1921)
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"At their peak the Culdees were most prominent in Scotland where they had monasteries in St. Andrews, Dunkeld and Lochleven. They had members also in Ireland, but it is the body which established itself at York which most concerns us. These particular members of the order certainly interested themselves a great deal with the masons who were engaged in the building of the first Minster at York, of which they were in charge in the days of King Athelstan. Athelstan, son of Edward the Elder and grandson of Alfred the Great, was king between 925 & 941 AD. Himself a worshipper at York in the years around 936, he gave the Culdees certain grants of land as a thanks offering for his successes in battle, notably in subduing parts of Cornwall and Wales, and in 937, defeating the combined forces of the Welsh, Scots and Danes at Bruananburg. It is also reputed in the Old Masonic Charges that he granted a charter to the masons to hold an assembly every year." (SOURCE: The Roots of Freemasonry by Trevor Jenkins, Nautilus Lodge 4259, United Grand Lodge of England)
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"In England we find them (sic Culdees) as officiating clergy in the Cathedral Church of S. Peter at York during the reign of King Athelstan, who was so closely linked with English Masonic tradition." (SOURCE: p.118, Ancient Mystic Rites, Charles Webster Leadbetter: 1926)
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"Culdees are recorded in church documents as officiating at St Peter in York until AD 939. According to the same church authorities, the Canons of York were called "Culdees" as late as the reign of Henry II (AD 1133-1189) (SOURCE: The Traditions of Glastonbury by E. Raymond, Capt, MA, AIA, FSA Scot.)
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"In the 12th century the Roman Catholic Church began to take a real interest in Ireland. Therefore, that Celtic Church in Ireland was not of Papal origin. Patrick (sic St Patrick) had endeavoured to convert pagan Judaistic Ireland before even the Roman Catholic Church had taken hold on the people. Dr. O'Donovan, upon the Four Masters, states in fact that, "Nothing is clearer than that Patrick engrafted Christianity on the pagan superstitions with so much skill that he won the people over to the Christian religion before they understood the exact difference between the two systems of beliefs; and much of this half pagan, half Christian religion will be found, not only in the Irish stories of the Middle Ages, but in the superstitions of the peasanrty of the present day."

"Was Patrick a converted Druid? Well we do know that from the Annals of the Kingdom by the Four Masters he had a Druidic Master/Tutor, Milcho, and perhaps knowing the doctrine of the old religion helped him develop a path of revival and lead the people away from quasi-Levitic rites and ceremonies to real spiritual Christianity and the worship of Christ.

Finally, according to O'Driscoll, the Christian Church in Ireland as founded by St. Patrick, existed for many centuries free and unshackled and differed in many points from Rome. From the days of Patrick to King Henry's Council of Cashel in 1172 was a bright and glorious career for Ireland. The ancient Celtic unfettered church was made bondage to the Papal throne from then on." (SOURCE: Patrick, the Druids, and the Celtic Church)
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"Fortunately, the truth about this mysterious pre-Celtic and Celtic priesthood is slowly coming to light. (SOURCE , Irish Origins of Civilization, Appendix I, Druidic Symbolism, The Druids, Michael Tsarion: 2008)
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"Many thanks for bringing my attention to your excellent organisation and referring me to the documentation on Druids, Culdees and Masons, which is very important reading for me. As you are aware there is a fantastic tradition here of great importance, which is beginning to be more widely recognised and restored." (SOURCE: Edmund Marriage, Lecturer in World History, The Golden Age Project, 2010)
Enough? There is plenty more if you want it.

Now I AM off to a good night's sleep.
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I suggest you read my post again. To be fair to you I have added a great deal of source material since you read it.

The Masonic religion IS The Stone Religion of the Culdees. The evidence and the history is overwhelming.
I have read your post

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Enough? There is plenty more if you want it.
Overwhelming? ..............Plenty more for what reason exactly?

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The Masonic religion IS The Stone Religion of the Culdees. The evidence and the history is overwhelming. St Patrick converted the Druids to Christianity, he did NOT eliminate them in the physical sense.

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Saint Patrick - burned whole libraries upon his arrival in Ireland. An agent he was, like St. Columba, sent to eliminate the Druids, so that few would trace the origins of the world's educators - the Irish (Aryans)



http://www.irishoriginsofcivilizatio...k2_chap41.html

The Bible - Book of the Pharaohs

Jews believe and state openly that Moses was the author of the Hebrew Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament). He is also known to be the disseminator of the hidden Oral Tradition, that eventually inspired the Babylonian Talmud. But, as the great Sigmund Freud pointed out, and as we re-assert - MOSES WAS AKHENATON - the Bible is not a Jewish tome, but an Egyptian one. This is the great secret that has been kept from humankind for so long. The generations of alteration and re-editing by Josephus and Bacon and others has merely assisted in this truth being kept hidden. But when we understand the true identity of this Moses, we understand also the true authors of the Bible. This is the real reason why Bibles can be found on Masonic altars. It is not because Masons are Christians, but because they are Atonists, as are all Christians and Jews, regardless of what false notions the Vatican spin-doctors have connived and enforced.


The symbol of King David playing his harp? Well, believe it or not, that harp is the Druidic harp.

What do you think that St. Patrick and his coterie were doing, when they were sent by the Christian church under Roman auspices to Ireland. They were burning whole libraries. They don't tell you that. That they were burning whole libraries and they were burning people. They came with sword on hand. This wonderful Roman Empire that we are all told about was so bloody wonderful?

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I suggest you read my post again. To be fair to you I have added a great deal of source material since you read it.

The Masonic religion IS The Stone Religion of the Culdees. The evidence and the history is overwhelming. St Patrick converted the Druids to Christianity, he did NOT eliminate them in the physical sense.

Now I AM off to a good night's sleep.
I would disagree there... I don't think one man armed with a leaf would have much chance in a savage land, do you? I don't think he would have had much chance travelling alone either.

What about his lover he sent to the island on Lough Derg (known as St Patricks Purgatory) to perish? Do you consider that folk lore? That's the problem with looking into this... where do you draw the line with what is considered lore and what is fact. Is it fact when lore tells how he did actually state banishing this woman who was known to follow him around, yet noone knew her name? Or the lore that suggests all he needed to do was strike his staff against the ground and his accomplices would finish the job converting natives... and that Pagan Priests did in fact jump to their deaths rather than be slaughtered by the same.

There is plenty of Folk Lore (written and spoken) to suggest that St Patrick did travel accompanied and did use physical force through his accomplices... or do you have to go with the official version from the vatican?

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There was an Irish documentary writer who looked into the theory that St. Patrick may have killed a lover on the island in Lough Derg. In 1998, the writer had a team sent into the water to fish around for evidence. A woman's mummified remains were found in the muck under the water.
Bearing in mind it is due to a Jesuit Priest (Luke Wadding) that we now celebrate modern day St Patrick, there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

So what lore works for you... Lost Tribes, Tuatha De Dannan, St Patrick or Ollamh Fodhla.

St Patrick doesn't entirely add up if you ask me.

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In Ireland we have a representation of the seven caves, or sevenfold cave in the cave of the tribe of Oine, called the purgatory of St. Patrick, an ancient Druidic cell, on a small island in Lough Derg, in the south of Donegal. The island is only 126 yards long by 44 broad; on this is a small cavern, and round it are seven tiny chapels, which perpetuate the sevenfold nature of the cave of Oine, the Irish form of the genetrix[62], Kun, Gwen, or Kivan.
Worth a read http://www.masseiana.org/bbbk15.htm

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All Masons should be burned at the stake in the name of Jesus and Yahweh. I wish I could hear their screams now as they are purified by fire enroute to hell.
What sort of freaky christian are you? let him without sin cast the first stone. Perhaps you might be taking a holiday there yourself.
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They put me through MK Ultra as a kid to be a Monarch slave for one. I still remember the rituals and the torture. They illegally removed the French King and worked the Dauphin to death in the 1700s. They have perverted the holy church.

My cousin King Philip never did anything so fine as to burn the Templars.

I sleep well at the thought of the warmth of them burning.
Lol, been on the funny pills have you. I guess abusive priests and tyranical popes havent damaged the church at all.

MK ultra, lol. What a fantasist you are.
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Jews believe and state openly that Moses was the author of the Hebrew Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament). He is also known to be the disseminator of the hidden Oral Tradition, that eventually inspired the Babylonian Talmud. But, as the great Sigmund Freud pointed out, and as we re-assert - MOSES WAS AKHENATON - the Bible is not a Jewish tome, but an Egyptian one.
Ah now there is a lot of material been written about such possibilities over the last couple of decades. There is certainly plenty of evidince to suggest that parts of the bible were lifted pretty much stratight from ancient Egyptian religion, though sometimes with different words.

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This is the great secret that has been kept from humankind for so long. The generations of alteration and re-editing by Josephus and Bacon and others has merely assisted in this truth being kept hidden. But when we understand the true identity of this Moses, we understand also the true authors of the Bible. This is the real reason why Bibles can be found on Masonic altars. It is not because Masons are Christians, but because they are Atonists, as are all Christians and Jews,
Interesting thought.

Dont forget the spin that history has placed on Akenaton though. But it would have to be said that there is a strong case for arguing that his father and him did start the first single god above all philosophy in the western world at least. And as noted above, when you compare modern day religions with it you can see distinct, and sometimes pretty near word for word similarities. Makes you think.

But equally there is the issue of serpent power to consider. And lets not forget prior to Akhenaton, and for some time afterwards people would have thought you a little daft if you simply believed in one God.

At a philisophical level I have spent many years considering such issues. My conclusions - history is history, what maters is today as this impacts our future.

But any such secret is not really hidden for biblical scholars have been busy investigating this for decades now. But at a time that our planet needs Maat more than it has for a long long time, is it perhaps any suprise that the collective consciousness is once again opening us such possibilities, even if only at a philisophical level?

If my experience is anything to go by, reflect on why Pharoah had a cobra on his headdress. The possibile implications of Ra/Aten. And, for the masons, why even UGLE notes that belief, albeit unproven, by some historians of the links between freemasonry and ancient Egypt. (check p5 of the new "want to be a mason brochure on the website) {think in terms of energy flows through time not physical links**

Good to see UGLE formally address an issue raised by lightgiver
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:05 PM   #15
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Pharohs often wear two things on their head dress though, a vulture and a serpent, representing upper and lower Egypt.
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:14 PM   #16
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Pharohs often wear two things on their head dress though, a vulture and a serpent, representing upper and lower Egypt.
Indeed, but as with many things there can be different interpretations. All that I am saying is that after many years of philosophising, reflecting, and facing my own fear of snakes, I can share with you that I have come to understand how to effectively enable Maat you do need to have a certain level of understanding of serpents. Specifically in terms of mutual respect and understanding to enable balance.

At a philisophical level why do you think that the serpent protects pharoah?
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Old 04-07-2010, 05:17 PM   #17
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They put me through MK Ultra as a kid to be a Monarch slave for one. I still remember the rituals and the torture. They illegally removed the French King and worked the Dauphin to death in the 1700s. They have perverted the holy church.

My cousin King Philip never did anything so fine as to burn the Templars.

I sleep well at the thought of the warmth of them burning.
So your ancestors are responsible for the deaths of mine then? Sweet. I have my eye on you.
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Old 04-07-2010, 07:21 PM   #18
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I would disagree there... I don't think one man armed with a leaf would have much chance in a savage land, do you? I don't think he would have had much chance travelling alone either.

What about his lover he sent to the island on Lough Derg (known as St Patricks Purgatory) to perish? Do you consider that folk lore? That's the problem with looking into this... where do you draw the line with what is considered lore and what is fact. Is it fact when lore tells how he did actually state banishing this woman who was known to follow him around, yet noone knew her name? Or the lore that suggests all he needed to do was strike his staff against the ground and his accomplices would finish the job converting natives... and that Pagan Priests did in fact jump to their deaths rather than be slaughtered by the same.

There is plenty of Folk Lore (written and spoken) to suggest that St Patrick did travel accompanied and did use physical force through his accomplices... or do you have to go with the official version from the vatican?



Bearing in mind it is due to a Jesuit Priest (Luke Wadding) that we now celebrate modern day St Patrick, there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

So what lore works for you... Lost Tribes, Tuatha De Dannan, St Patrick or Ollamh Fodhla.

St Patrick doesn't entirely add up if you ask me.



Worth a read http://www.masseiana.org/bbbk15.htm
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lol ok... not to worry then.
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in other words , dont you dare challenge the masonic created version of history.

Just like those awful masonic authors Benet and Pagent writing their falsehoods on the life of christ

Everything is a perversion of truth when dealing with you lot
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