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Old 03-06-2011, 03:15 PM   #21
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laws are like plants, easily moved... when its required.
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Old 04-06-2011, 02:19 PM   #22
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we all know the USA is an artificial entity that does not apply to anyone except by agreement... or by FORCE... in this case FORCE... it is unfortunate however, that most dont know the difference between LAW.. and FORCE...

BREAKING NEWS>>>>>>

FORCE.. is NOT Law
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Old 04-06-2011, 03:53 PM   #23
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we all know the USA is an artificial entity that does not apply to anyone except by agreement... or by FORCE... in this case FORCE... it is unfortunate however, that most dont know the difference between LAW.. and FORCE...

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FORCE.. is NOT Law
But if someone is breaking the law, how do you enforce it if they do not wish to comply. Even if it's a common law such as murder, force is needed sometimes to apprehend the perp, is it not? Or would you just talk to them nicely about the finer points of the law and all things mystical?
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Old 04-06-2011, 06:49 PM   #24
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But if someone is breaking the law, how do you enforce it if they do not wish to comply. Even if it's a common law such as murder, force is needed sometimes to apprehend the perp, is it not? Or would you just talk to them nicely about the finer points of the law and all things mystical?
Consent is required to govern or regulate someone's behavior, when the rights of one man is violated by another it is not law that will deal with the "perp", but justice.
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Old 05-06-2011, 11:03 AM   #25
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Consent is required to govern or regulate someone's behavior, when the rights of one man is violated by another it is not law that will deal with the "perp", but justice.
Pray tell how justice works then in practical terms?

You have a law. A common law for instance or whatever you have.

It is broken by this perp.

What happens next?

We'll try two scenarios:

a) One is a freeman who's bought into this idea of FOTLerism.

b) The other is a low life scumbag who doesn't accept any laws, never mind common laws. Nor is he a freeman 'believer'. He is also violent and will resist being apprehended or even acepting he has done wrong because to them it's a case of whatever you can get away with in life.
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Old 05-06-2011, 11:06 AM   #26
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carryin gun a felony in usa now?
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Old 05-06-2011, 11:32 AM   #27
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we all know the USA is an artificial entity that does not apply to anyone except by agreement... or by FORCE... in this case FORCE... it is unfortunate however, that most dont know the difference between LAW.. and FORCE...

BREAKING NEWS>>>>>>

FORCE.. is NOT Law

perspective,

can this not be interpreted to say just the opposite?


title 1 chapter 2 COMMON LAW IN FORCE

I mean, is that not "in your face" a claim to use FORCE?

again, perspective, but which one is correct?
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Old 05-06-2011, 08:59 PM   #28
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Pray tell how justice works then in practical terms?

You have a law. A common law for instance or whatever you have.

It is broken by this perp.

What happens next?

We'll try two scenarios:

a) One is a freeman who's bought into this idea of FOTLerism.

b) The other is a low life scumbag who doesn't accept any laws, never mind common laws. Nor is he a freeman 'believer'. He is also violent and will resist being apprehended or even acepting he has done wrong because to them it's a case of whatever you can get away with in life.
The law just is, it cannot be broken. It was not created by man.

Friction occurs when you interfere in another's life without permission, often the reciprocal effects are heated.

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Old 05-06-2011, 09:05 PM   #29
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carryin gun a felony in usa now?
It is if you're a convicted felon.

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The law just is, it cannot be broken. It was not created by man.

Friction occurs when you interfere in another's life without permission, often the reciprocal effects are violent.
That didn't answer the question.
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That didn't answer the question.

Sure it did.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:22 PM   #31
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The law just is, it cannot be broken. It was not created by man.

Friction occurs when you interfere in another's life without permission, often the reciprocal effects are heated.
Oh OK.

In other words, you're spouting wishy washy hot air.

You've not come up with anything practical that will work in the real world.

What you seem to be suggesting is that the police, or Menard's peace officers, will have to ask the perp's permission to arrest them for a breach of the law, even murder. Yeah, sounds like it'll work.

I think you'll need to join a commune somewhere, if you're not there already, which can be self sufficient and you can apply your way of life there amongst like minded types who won't ever break the law or rub each other up too much.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:27 PM   #32
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Sure it did.
Maybe in your own mind.

But to those of us not living in a dream world, it hasn't.

Can you actually give any idea of how this will be dealt with?

I think looking at your past posts you seem to come over as some form of enigmatic mystic where we have to find the truth and answers in your short enigmatic statements which have no substance.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:40 PM   #33
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Oh OK.

In other words, you're spouting wishy washy hot air.

You've not come up with anything practical that will work in the real world.

What you seem to be suggesting is that the police, or Menard's peace officers, will have to ask the perp's permission to arrest them for a breach of the law, even murder. Yeah, sounds like it'll work.

I think you'll need to join a commune somewhere, if you're not there already, which can be self sufficient and you can apply your way of life there amongst like minded types who won't ever break the law or rub each other up too much.
I point to reality and you call it "wishy washy", seems to me you are full of hot air spouting your religious doctrine of your fake law.

I live on a large property that has been in my family for generations, your fellow fundamentalists have tried to steal this property from myself twice now with no luck. The last time woke up my community, to which I now enjoy their support.

If you are unable recognize your actions have consequences, you are a danger to yourself and others.
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Old 05-06-2011, 10:53 PM   #34
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Maybe in your own mind.

But to those of us not living in a dream world, it hasn't.

Can you actually give any idea of how this will be dealt with?

I think looking at your past posts you seem to come over as some form of enigmatic mystic where we have to find the truth and answers in your short enigmatic statements which have no substance.
This coming from someone who believes in magical powers bestowed upon those who serve their Government 'God".

I say it is you who live in a dream world, you cannot even think for yourself without looking up your sacred doctrine to see what you can and cannot do.

You come across as a religious fundamentalist, a 'God' (government) fearing superstitious minion of an archaic belief structure.
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Old 06-06-2011, 05:42 AM   #35
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This coming from someone who believes in magical powers bestowed upon those who serve their Government 'God".

I say it is you who live in a dream world, you cannot even think for yourself without looking up your sacred doctrine to see what you can and cannot do.

You come across as a religious fundamentalist, a 'God' (government) fearing superstitious minion of an archaic belief structure.
You'd better address that to Menard then, who's into God.

But again, an ungrounded response.
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Old 06-06-2011, 06:39 AM   #36
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You'd better address that to Menard then, who's into God.

But again, an ungrounded response.

Call 'God' whatever you like: Buddha, Mohammad, Jesus or Government, it's all a belief in a higher power.

You believe in Government and you push it upon others, you are a religious fundamentalist, albeit one in denial.
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Old 06-06-2011, 07:42 AM   #37
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Call 'God' whatever you like: Buddha, Mohammad, Jesus or Government, it's all a belief in a higher power.

You believe in Government and you push it upon others, you are a religious fundamentalist, albeit one in denial.
Says who?

The person who lives in a property that he could no longer afford or was unable to manage which is now probably used as a squat for his community.
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Old 07-06-2011, 09:28 PM   #38
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So, back to the point, over six and a half years in jail and not one freeman (or girlgye) on here has offered even a suggestion of how their fellow freeman might have gotten off.

Seems like the criminal did not give the deputy any authority over him, which is menard's only line (he will give you this 'advice' for free, if you pay him for his research).

All in all, another (serious) loss for FOTLers.
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Old 08-06-2011, 07:10 AM   #39
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http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com...cc4c002e0.html

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I don't understand.



Seems like he was subject to the USA's laws after all.
anyone who visits the usa is subject to the laws no matter if your from france or indonesia

and they too are not usa citizens

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anyone who visits the usa is subject to the laws no matter if your from france or indonesia

and they too are not usa citizens
Yes, and nothing to do with consenting to be told what to do.
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