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Old 22-03-2015, 02:28 PM   #10581
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Is that the best you've got?

Calling the woman crazy?

Isn't that what they said about DI?

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

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Aye but David Icke didn't put up videos all over the internet of his young children making claims of sexual abuse by their father and a satanic baby killing cult in hampstead and nor did he release a video today of a police statement naming the names of innocent children in hampstead. Truth has to be truth before it goes through those 3 steps. The mother has no empathy or compassion for her own children or those children she named in her video dated yesterday who she calls special children. Is the mother a psychopath? It kind of feels that way...

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Old 22-03-2015, 02:30 PM   #10582
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Is the mother a psychopath? It kind of feels that way...
Prove it.
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Old 22-03-2015, 02:36 PM   #10583
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Prove it.
But I asked a question, I didn't make a statement. To me it feels like she is, but I can't say for definite.
Do you think she has empathy and compassion for the children she clearly names in her latest video?

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Hang on a minute.

I'm listening to the Mothers newest video (only got through the first 2 mins so far before i had to post).

She states she has an older son (who we know about) whom has a vey good relationship with his Father and with AC, whom you have to understand has only known the Mother for less than a year.

Hasn't the Mother implicated the older sons Father as being part of this cult aswell?

Edit: Yep, it's right there in the veterans today blog post;

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Mr D***** (ex-husband) is financial supporter and active member of the cult as well as his wife

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Old 22-03-2015, 02:49 PM   #10585
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What rubbish. Christ Church school is a Grade II listed building in a conservation area, where opening a McDonald's caused major controversy. The building cannot be replaced with anything. Hampstead is unique and even it's post boxes and trees are protected.
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me: comment in reply to your open letter, yannis

yannis: a listed building can convert as many are

cannot be demolished yes

but can change the use off and build in the surronding land

so no on have seen listen buildings changing the use?

churches becoming restaurants?

churches becoming shopping malls?

Grade listed buildings in London are the most profitable business

forein billionares love to get their hands on british heritage

what was the use of the school building before?

was it always a school?

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At least one of Belindas sons is an architect, studied at GSA. co-director at her estate agency. all 3 sons are in the estate business


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...-for-sale.html
Britain's best listed buildings for sale
www.telegraph.co.uk







http://www.savills.co.uk/_news/artic...make-the-grade
I agree with Velma, a plot to get hold of the buildings does seem like utter rubish and too far fetched to be true,

but then there are these odd links,

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/enviro...kles_1_3961239

TE of Euston Trust

http://www.thecnj.com/camden/020206/news020206_12.html

Here we have TE of Euston Trust again

http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/20...merset-weekly/

TE again

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Old 22-03-2015, 02:51 PM   #10586
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Default McDonalds Hampstead used in Satanic ritual

The two children who appeared on the viral youtube video are
now forced into care proceedings by the London Borough of Barnet.
The cover-up, which was predicted, is in full swing. What most people
don't realize is the biggest cover-up of them all :

"[ ... ]
Cult members were said to have drunk their victims' blood and danced
around with the babies' skulls. At least seven other schools were
named, a swimming pool identified as a meeting place and 'rituals' were
alleged to have been performed at a McDonald's fast food restaurant.

[ ... ]"

Yes thats McDonald's Hampstead London NW3 1QG +44 20 7431 7844

Satanic cult claims dismissed by High Court judge Mrs. Justice Pauffley
By Agency, 11:08AM GMT 19 Mar 2015
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...urt-judge.html

"Claims that a "satanic cult" where children were abused by paedophiles
has been operating in north London have been dismissed by a High Court
judge. Mrs Justice Pauffley said detail of the claims have been
circulating on the internet. At a family court hearing in London, she
said she had been asked to investigate by social services bosses and
had conducted a fact-finding exercise.

. Satanic cult teens 'sacrificed' victims then ate them
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-ate-them.html
. Dartmoor pony 'killed by satanic cult; in full moon ritual
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...on-ritual.html

The judge said in a ruling on Thursday that the claims were "baseless"
and she described people who sought to perpetuate them as "evil" or
"foolish". Mrs Justice Pauffley said the case centred on two children -
aged eight and nine - whose parents were separated. The judge said the
London Borough of Barnet had begun care proceedings in relation to the
youngsters. She said that "lurid allegations of the most serious kind"
were drawn to the attention of police last September.

. Russian Satanists jailed for 'ritual sacrifice' teen killings
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-killings.html
. Satanic cult blamed for beheaded horse on beach
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-on-beach.html

It was suggested that the youngsters were part of a large group of
children from north London who belonged to a "satanic cult", the judge
added. She said there were allegations of "significant paedophile
activity" - allegations that children had been sexually abused and made
to abuse one another. Mrs Justice Pauffley said allegations were made
by the two children, their mother and her partner. "Specifically, it
was said that babies were supplied from all over the world," she said.
"The assertions were that babies had been abused, tortured and then
sacrificed."

Children emotionally, mentally tortured into 'satanic cult' hoax
Published time: March 20, 2015 16:47
http://rt.com/uk/242617-children-tortured-satanic-cult/


Judge slams mum for 'grotesque' lies that ex was leader of satanic sex ring
Bitter mother filmed children after forcing them to tell 'malicious' lies
By Keith Kendrick Mar 20, 2015
http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2015/03/...anic-sex-ring/

"An 'evil' mother mentally 'tortured' her children to make up claims
about a satanic cult of sexual abuse at a primary school to smear her
ex-husband in a custody battle. In an extraordinary move yesterday
(Thurs), a High Court judge decided to name and shame the mother
because of her 'malicious' and 'baseless' claims. The court heard that
Ella Draper and her partner Abraham Christie filmed her two children
after forcing them to lie about sexual abuse and ritual torture in
Hampstead, North London.
Mrs Justice Pauffley suggested the couple may
have fed the two youngsters, aged eight and nine, cannabis soup to gain
their compliance. More than four million people worldwide have viewed
the 'fantasy' online material and police had to protect worried parents
at the gates of Christchurch Primary School where the 'main action' was
alleged to have happened. Mrs Justice Pauffley's written ruling said
the 'grotesque' claims against 'blameless' people included drugged
babies being sent from abroad by courier services and then sacrificed.
Cult members were said to have drunk their victims' blood and danced
around with the babies' skulls. At least seven other schools were
named, a swimming pool identified as a meeting place and 'rituals' were
alleged to have been performed at a McDonald's fast food restaurant.

The children's father Ricky Dearman, whose three-year relationship with
Draper ended acrimoniously in 2006, was falsely said to be the leader
of the cult, and teachers, police and a priest to be among its more
than 100 members. The judge said in the ruling: "Many of those
individuals are now living in fear because they have been identified on
the internet as abusers of children and their contact details including
telephone numbers, home and email addresses have been published.

"Several of those implicated have received malicious, intimidating
phone calls and emails at all hours of the day and night from all over
the world. For example - 'We're coming for you. You paedo scum'." The
two children, who are now in care, were repeatedly named in the
internet campaign and films of them uploaded to the internet 'with
flagrant disregard for their welfare interests'. Mrs Justice Pauffley
was asked to investigate by social services bosses in care proceedings
brought by Barnet council after the two children were said to be at the
centre of the cult's abuse. But the judge said they were in fact forced
by Draper and Christie to 'provide concocted accounts of horrific
events' in filmed mobile phone recordings and to lie to police when
interviewed after the allegations were brought to the attention of
officers in September last year. The children's stories came about as
the result of 'relentless emotional and psychological pressure as well
as significant physical abuse'. The judge said: "Torture is a strong
word but is the most accurate way to describe what was done to the
children by Christie in collaboration with Draper. "Both P and Q have
suffered significantly. Their innocence was invaded. Their minds were
scrambled. Their grip on reality was imperilled." Tests showed they had
both also ingested cannabis in the three months before being taken into
care. It was impossible for analysts to say if this was via passive
smoking or oral ingestion, but both children had described in interview
how hemp was made into soup at their home using the juicer.

The judge completely cleared Mr Dearman and all others named in the
campaign of any abuse and called the material published on the internet
'nothing more than utter nonsense'. She said: "I am entirely certain
that everything Ms Draper, her partner Abraham Christie and the
children said about those matters was fabricated. "The claims are
baseless. Those who have sought to perpetrate them are evil and or
foolish. "All the signs are that those responsible for posting material
derive a great deal of personal satisfaction from attracting interest
to their spiteful work from many thousands of people. "It's akin to the
sensation, I imagine, of a Facebook user receiving an indication that
some posting or other has been liked." Draper took no part in the court
proceedings and has 'not been seen by anyone in authority since
February 12'. Mrs Justice Pauffley said there are 'rumours that she has
fled abroad' because she fears being arrested,. "


Mother who tortured her two children to lie about satanic child sex cult
based at a primary school `to get back at her ex' in custody dispute

. Mother forced children to lie about sexual abuse and torture, judge rules
. Ella Draper and Abraham Christie were named in care proceedings ruling
. Mrs Justice Pauffley said the internet campaign was `evil' and `baseless'
. She said couple may have fed children cannabis soup to gain compliance
. More than four million people have viewed the `fantasy' online material
By David Wilkes for the Daily Mail
Published: 23:04 GMT, 19 March 2015 | Updated: 02:12 GMT, 20 March 2015
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dge-rules.html

Here are a few remaining Youtube videos, the rest has already been zapped :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLg62lgx9KI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpEEqPVY2FE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YKC2DBjUBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep9fE_29hTA

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Old 22-03-2015, 02:54 PM   #10587
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But I asked a question, I didn't make a statement. To me it feels like she is, but I can't say for definite.
Do you think she has empathy and compassion for the children she clearly names in her latest video?

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friend
I have no fucking idea if she is compassionate. I never met her, but if she is trying to save 20 kids from a paedophile ring, perhaps she is?

David Icke has named many people as paedophiles engaged in Satanic Ritual Abuse, in books, lectures, podcasts... and guess what?

He was right!

Presidents, Prime Ministers, the Queen, but who would believe it?

Not even my four siblings who, incidentally, never touched each others genitals out of childish curiosity, or the dog!
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Old 22-03-2015, 02:58 PM   #10588
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But I asked a question, I didn't make a statement. To me it feels like she is, but I can't say for definite.
Do you think she has empathy and compassion for the children she clearly names in her latest video?

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friend
She is standing by her children's testimonies and also bringing attention to the abuse of the other children.

So then yes, that shows compassion and care.
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Old 22-03-2015, 03:07 PM   #10589
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Nobody believes the kids. That is why nobody cares to cover their faces.

HOW TO CHECK IF THE KIDS ARE TELLING THE TRUTH

Check for those identifying birth marks, piercings and tattoos:

The birth marks, piercings and tattoos ARE THERE= the Hampstead satanic child abuse DID happen.

The birth marks, piercings and tattoos ARE NOT THERE = the Hampstead satanic child abuse DID NOT happen.

End of story or the beginning of it.

What do you think about this?
It is the ONLY answer. And the accused should come forward. For the sakes of the children, all the people involved - AND ESPECIALLY FOR THEIR OWN SAKES.

So, for goodness sake, PLEASE cojme forward and put this thing to rest. For pity's sake.
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Old 22-03-2015, 03:07 PM   #10590
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Hello David,

I posted a picture of the two children from Hampstead who
blew the whistle on satanic rituals and child sex abuse.
Last Thursday they have been moved into care proceedings
by the London Borough of Barnet. Please make sure to
all people what these kids look like, so any further abuse
will be halted. But your webmaster removed that picture. why?

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Old 22-03-2015, 03:08 PM   #10591
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I have no fucking idea if she is compassionate. I never met her, but if she is trying to save 20 kids from a paedophile ring, perhaps she is?

David Icke has named many people as paedophiles engaged in Satanic Ritual Abuse, in books, lectures, podcasts... and guess what?

He was right!

Presidents, Prime Ministers, the Queen, but who would believe it?

Not even my four siblings who, incidentally, never touched each others genitals out of childish curiosity, or the dog!
Compassionate for naming the names of other peoples children in hampstead? Would you be happy for someone to name your childrens names in a video online and claim that they were being abused by both you and teachers and RD? Would you be happy for anyone to name your children online in writing or a video for any reason?

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She is standing by her children's testimonies and also bringing attention to the abuse of the other children.

So then yes, that shows compassion and care.
She has already previously released the names via a fake anonymous pastebin document. Is it right that she is naming the names of children which could endanger those children named? Could this not bring unwanted attention to those children from pedophiles in the area?

Is common sense a thing of the past? Did I wake up today in the wrong dimension?

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Old 22-03-2015, 03:10 PM   #10592
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I agree with Velma, a plot to get hold of the buildings does seem like utter rubish and too far fetched to be true,

but then there are these odd links,

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/enviro...kles_1_3961239

Not odd at all, residents are constantly resisting the greedy developers from trashing historic Hampstead. They would build housing estates on the Heath if they got their way. But the school is tiny, it wouldn't convert into more than a couple of luxury flats, unlike the Nursing Home at New End or Athlone House, which a mystery foreign billionaire wants to demolish.

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/last_s...mare_1_3943628
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I'd just been typing up a reply to The Tealady on this very subject, so you can have it instead.

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Re this continued bringing up the red herring about "the devil's marks," shady tattoos, etc, you seem to be of the opinion that the only way such details could be known is if the children's stories are true. This isn't logical thinking, it is jumping to a conclusion that fits the narrative you want to believe.

Let's say YOU had such a mark and you hadn't been abusing children? Would you be as quick to go rushing to the police? No, you'd be working out how the fuck they could have possibly known and be getting in touch with a solicitor.

Under the circumstances of this case, even the marks being real shouldn't lead to an automatic assumption that the children were completely truthful. The next step in such a police-led enquiry wouldn't have been arresting them all, it would be to establish if they were involved in wife-swapping events, or any other kind of activity where anyone their accuser's guardians knew could view them naked. If these possibilities could be completely discounted, THEN they'd move on to investigating their activities more diligently.

Imo. Ymmv.
I agree with you alf. There's a first time for everything!

The first step is to clarify whether or not the tattoos exist. THEN further invesitgations can go forth to find out HOW the children knew of them.

Did AC tell them about the tattoos? If so, how did he know?

Do you see where this could lead? It could lead to the truth.
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It is the ONLY answer. And the accused should come forward. For the sakes of the children, all the people involved - AND ESPECIALLY FOR THEIR OWN SAKES.

So, for goodness sake, PLEASE cojme forward and put this thing to rest. For pity's sake.
to who, where and when?
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Prove it.
The mother has abandeond the kids what more needs to be said?
She has not shown anything love or care towards her kids and does not deserve to have them imo
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Could this not bring unwanted attention to those children from pedophiles in the area?
I thought they were already receiving unwanted attention from paedophiles in the area?

If me or my kids were on that list, I would move heaven and earth to prove my innocence.
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It is the ONLY answer. And the accused should come forward. For the sakes of the children, all the people involved - AND ESPECIALLY FOR THEIR OWN SAKES.

So, for goodness sake, PLEASE cojme forward and put this thing to rest. For pity's sake.
Would you be happy if I kept saying the same thing over and over again throughout the entire thread? Honestly frankanne it's like a broken record. You can scream and shout over and over again in this thread that you want them to come forward to show their genitals, when you should be screaming it down the phone to the police.

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Hello David,

I posted a picture of the two children from Hampstead who
blew the whistle on satanic rituals and child sex abuse.
Last Thursday they have been moved into care proceedings
by the London Borough of Barnet. Please make sure to
all people what these kids look like, so any further abuse
will be halted. But your webmaster removed that picture. why?
Putting the kids pictures up is a form of child abuse in itself. Do you not think that those children deserve some privacy? Rather than using them as a campaign mascott? Isn't it obvious why photographs of those two children are not aloud on this thread?

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I agree with you alf. There's a first time for everything!

The first step is to clarify whether or not the tattoos exist. THEN further invesitgations can go forth to find out HOW the children knew of them.

Did AC tell them about the tattoos? If so, how did he know?

Do you see where this could lead? It could lead to the truth.
And you are doing it again... It is like you are trying to influence public opinion, not discuss issues on here...

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Compassionate for naming the names of other peoples children in hampstead? Would you be happy for someone to name your childrens names in a video online and claim that they were being abused by both you and teachers and RD? Would you be happy for anyone to name your children online in writing or a video for any reason?

She has already previously released the names via a fake anonymous pastebin document. Is it right that she is naming the names of children which could endanger those children named? Could this not bring unwanted attention to those children from pedophiles in the area?

Is common sense a thing of the past? Did I wake up today in the wrong dimension?

Peace, love, harmony and wisdom friends
It is a Notice that has been served. The accused/victims now have to rebut the allegations and provide proof that they are lies so that they can be withdrawn.

The ball is now in their court.

If they ignore the notice/fail to rebut it, then it stands as the truth.
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Hello David,

I posted a picture of the two children from Hampstead who
blew the whistle on satanic rituals and child sex abuse.
Last Thursday they have been moved into care proceedings
by the London Borough of Barnet. Please make sure to
all people what these kids look like, so any further abuse
will be halted. But your webmaster removed that picture. why?
Given the sensitivity of this issue, it is not appropriate to be embedding images of the children. There have been many moderator and admin notes posted in the thread covering all this.

Thanks.

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I agree with Velma, a plot to get hold of the buildings does seem like utter rubish and too far fetched to be true,

but then there are these odd links,

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/enviro...kles_1_3961239

TE of Euston Trust

http://www.thecnj.com/camden/020206/news020206_12.html

Here we have TE of Euston Trust again

http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/20...merset-weekly/

TE again


well thanks for that . TE HAS VERY DUBIOUS LINKS SEE LINK BELOW

Update
T Ewing is part of the group calling themselves the association of McKenzie Friends who released the videos of the children talking about all sorts of abuses going on at their school in Hampstead and elsewhere. What I find interesting about this is that TE has a bee in in bonnet about the Sunday Times allegedly libelling him and invading his privacy yet the group he is advisor of seems to have no qualms about invading other peoples privacy and potentially libeling them ie the hampstead case. All for the greater good no doubt one could argue - public duty, in the public interest etc. Not so when it comes to TE and some of his chums though as I have experience of. They are not adverse to using the very system and agencies they seem to hate so much against anyone who poses any sort of threat to them.
http://camdencouncilrottenlandlord.b...-bbc-news.html

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Having regard to the application introduced on 27 March 1987
by Terence EWING against the United Kingdom and registered on 2 March
1989 under file No. 14720/89;

Having regard to the report provided for in Rule 40 of the
Rules of Procedure of the Commission;

Having deliberated;

Decides as follows:
THE FACTS

The applicant is a United Kingdom citizen born in 1952 and
resident in London. This is his seventh application to the Commission.

The facts of the case, as submitted by the applicant and which
may be deduced from documents lodged with the application, may be
summarised as follows:

The applicant has been the defendant to various proceedings
involving bank frauds. In the course of interlocutory proceedings (a
Mareva injunction to prevent the applicant using money placed on a
bank account which he had opened under a pseudonym, money believed to
have been obtained fraudulently), hearings were mostly held in private
before a Master or Judge in Chambers of the Queen's Bench Division of
the High Court.
http://echr.ketse.com/doc/14720.89-en-19890506/view/

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Judge blocks fraudster's libel action against Somerset weekly
by HoldTheFrontPage Published 04 Aug 2008

An attempt by a convicted fraudster to sue two newspapers over articles which suggested that he took a £10,000 bribe to drop his objections to a major planning proposal has been rejected by a High Court judge.

Terence Ewing, who was jailed for seven years in 1981 for a number of fraud offences, claimed the articles which appeared in printed editions of The Sunday Times and the Northcliffe-owned Weston and Worle News in February last year were defamatory.

But Mr Justice Coulson said Mr Ewing had taken so long to bring the libel actions it suggested he did not have a “genuine grievance.”

Mr Ewing has previously made the subject of a court order aimed at “vexatious litigants” – people who habitually abuse the judicial process by launching pointless or frivolous legal actions.

The articles in question said he had raised objections to plans for a major development in Weston-super-Mare through an organisation he ran called the Euston Trust, and that he had dropped the objections after the developers paid him £10,000.

After the articles were published, Mr Justice Coulson said, Mr Ewing complained to the Press Complaints Commission, but made no mention of a libel action.

It was only after the PCC rejected all his complaints – that he had been harassed, that his privacy was invaded and that material was published in breach of a duty of confidence – that he started the libel proceedings.

“That would suggest that the alleged libel was not a genuine grievance,” said the judge.

The judge said that Mr Ewing’s claims had no real prospect of success and were an abuse of process.

Since 1990, Mr Ewing had launched a total of 37 vexatious actions, the court heard.
http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/20...merset-weekly/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-25563059

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