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It seems to be a reasonable idea: give everyone (except perhaps the rich) a guaranteed income whether or not they have (or even want) a paid job. Allied to a BIG (BASIC INCOME GUARANTEE) - but not compulsory – is ZERO INCOME TAX. What's not to like?

Alas, the Ruling Elite have their grubby hands all over the BIG scheme (aka UBI = UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME), which looks as if it's going mainstream in the 21st century: a sure sign that the Ruling Elite are lurking in the background as usual. UBI is a stepping stone to a 'social contract', I conclude; all part of 'global citizenship'. What are you doing to help mankind and the Earth in general?

There is NO complex economic talk in this article. The emphasis is on the people promoting UBI and why. The main reason why is to help maintain control of the General Public in a world where leisure time is more common, thanks to robots and computers and high tech machines. The UBI (and its descendants) will come with conditions: "we'll give you money and resources only if you behave as we want you to".

UBI (BIG) tends to be associated with the political left wing, but it has had support from both sides of the political spectrum ever since the 16th century when the English King Henry VIII's secretary/adviser SIR THOMAS MORE proposed a kind of UBI scheme in his novel "Utopia". No doubt there are even earlier examples in history.

A criticism of UBI is that it might result in large numbers of unemployed people with little political power, though that problem might be partially 'solved' (on the surface at least) by DIRECT DEMOCRACY (as opposed to traditional REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY). But, of course, the Ruling Elite will have that base covered too. See my article on Direct Democracy down below.

The rise of the machines meant that it was inevitable that the long working hours and slave labour that once permeated society would have to come an end, so all the supposedly 'humanitarian' gestures by politicians and capitalists were – in my opinion – done knowing that child labour, slave labour, and long working hours would soon be history anyway. Taking children out of slave labour and putting them into the classroom seems like a step forward, but it also takes them away from their parents where they can be indoctrinated with the Ruling Elite's values – how to be a Global citizen. UBI and education will complement each other, e.g. educational vouchers.

Fans of UBI in 2017 (at least) included various UN agencies (e.g. UNESCO and UNESCAP) and the powerful 'Silicon Valley' crowd, e.g. FACEBOOK co-founder/CEO/chairman MARK ZUCKERBERG. I first became aware of UBI back in the 1990s when I was researching the impact of the New Age movement on the down-to-earth worlds of business, politics and economics. The influential British 'management guru' CHARLES HANDY advocated a combination of a NATIONAL INCOME SCHEME with zero income tax in his bestselling book "The Age Of Unreason". Handy worked at the oil company SHELL INTERNATIONAL and was Warden at Windsor Castle's ST. GEORGE'S HOUSE, a think-tank co-founded by the Queen's husband Prince Philip.

Handy teamed up with the American 'management guru' ROGER HARRISON, who tried to instil more love into the traditionally ruthless business world. Handy promoted intuition in his "The Second Curve" (2016). 'Second curve thinking', he wrote, "...requires imagination, intuition, and instinct rather than rational analysis.". Handy said that we each need to take more control of our lives, e.g. education, finances, health, etc.

Handy was chairman of a UBI promoter, the Royal backed RSA (ROYAL SOCIETY FOR THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF ARTS, MANUFACTURES AND COMMERCE). The RSA released a report in 2018 (Feb 16th) proposing a stepping stone to full UBI called UBOF (UNIVERSAL BASIC OPPORTUNITY FUND), which would "… enable citizens to live meaningful and contributory lives." Applicants would have to demonstrate how they would intend to use the money. The payment would be administered through a range of accredited bodies, e.g. schools, local authorities, etc. The report was co-authored by ANTHONY PAINTER who has worked in partnership with GOOGLE, the BBC and the METROPOLITAN POLICE.

The RSA Chief Executive in 2018 was UBI fan MATTHEW TAYLOR, previously a senior political strategist in Prime Minister Tony Blair's Labour Party government where he was head of the "Number 10 Policy Unit". Taylor helped write the Labour Party's manifesto for the 1997 general election (won by Blair). Taylor then became Director of the pro-Labour (at least it was back then), centre-left think tank, IPPR (INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC POLICY RESEARCH). Taylor followed in his father's footsteps as a BBC Radio presenter/panellist. His father LAURIE TAYLOR (an ex-Socialist) has presented for many years the BBC Radio 4 series "Thinking Allowed".

For more, see my article on BIG/UBI (which is unfinished and which I am typing up over the next few weeks) in the Business section of my website: https://thegreatworkdecoded.com

Here is my article on direct democracy which is also in my website in the politics section:
Direct Democracy has become more prevalent in the 21st century. A BBC Radio 4 series - "Can Democracy Work?" (episode one,13th Jan 2015) - discussed Direct Democracy (as opposed to the traditional Representative Democracy). In the programme, ex-British PM Tony Blair said that he wasn't too keen on it. I wonder if this is the Ruling Elite provoking us into taking Direct Democracy (DD) more seriously. While I am generally in favour of DD, the Ruling Elite will obviously want to control it, just as they have controlled Democracy in general up till now.

In Britain there is a DD Party called the PA (People's Administration) Party, though you can't vote for them at the moment, due to voting restrictions.
I see Direct Democracy as a stepping stone rather than an end in itself. Whatever the solution is to the world's problems, it's not going to happen overnight, so compromises will need to be made, especially bearing in mind that there are 7 and a half billion people in the world, with diverse opinions. We need to talk with each other and negotiate.

DD has been promoted by the arch Euro-sceptic and ex-UKIP leader NIGEL FARAGE, who was President of the pro-DD and eurosceptic political group in the European Parliament: the EFDD (EUROPE OF FREEDOM AND DIRECT DEMOCRACY).

Another DD supporter has been the wealthy British politician and 'environmentalist' ZAC GOLDSMITH, who – like his brother BEN – married into the also wealthy ROTHSCHILD family. Zac's billionaire father Sir JAMES GOLDSMITH was a prominent Eurosceptic, as is Zac. Zac's uncle TEDDY was a prominent environmentalist who made Zac editor of "The Ecologist" magazine.

Zac and his mother LADY ANNABEL GOLDSMITH were both patrons of the FORTUNE FORUM Club (not to be confused with FORTUNE magazine), set up to persuade wealthy people to be more charitable and to solve financial inequality. Influential speakers at its' Summits have included ex-US President BILL CLINTON; billionaire philanthropist GEORGE SOROS; film star MICHAEL DOUGLAS; the 'Green' ex-US Vice-President AL GORE; "Live Aid" co-founder BOB GELDOF; Wikipedia co-founder JIMMY WALES.

Other patrons of Fortune Forum have included the New Age leading light DEEPAK CHOPRA and the FABIAN SOCIETY President/chairman Lord PETER ARCHER. Archer supported a world government and was President of ONE WORLD TRUST, set up by the ALL-PARTY GROUP FOR WORLD GOVERNANCE (a British parliamentary group). The One World Trust is an NGO with special consultative status with the UNITED NATIONS Economic and Social Council.
Fortune Forum's philanthropy partners have included the UN FOUNDATION and the UN Office For Partnerships.

Annabel Goldsmith continued her husband's eurosceptic work by being President of the DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT, of which its' chairman was her son (through a different marriage) ROBIN BIRLEY

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the snag with UBI is that the only bargainning chip the british people have ever had was their labour

But if they are replaced by machines and foreign workers then they don't even have their labour to bargain with

UBI can be offered to them as a carrot to make them step away from the labour market but once they do that they become what the el-ite bloodlines like to call a 'useless eater'

and then as far as the elite are concerned there's no point in them being around any more....
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If they think we are 'useless eaters' now, wait until we are all living in smart cities spending our UBI on sexbots and the latest firmware upgrades for our brain chips..
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It seems to be a reasonable idea: give everyone (except perhaps the rich) a guaranteed income whether or not they have (or even want) a paid job. Allied to a BIG (BASIC INCOME GUARANTEE) - but not compulsory – is ZERO INCOME TAX. What's not to like?

Alas, the Ruling Elite have their grubby hands all over the BIG scheme (aka UBI = UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME), which looks as if it's going mainstream in the 21st century: a sure sign that the Ruling Elite are lurking in the background as usual. UBI is a stepping stone to a 'social contract', I conclude; all part of 'global citizenship'. What are you doing to help mankind and the Earth in general?

There is NO complex economic talk in this article. The emphasis is on the people promoting UBI and why. The main reason why is to help maintain control of the General Public in a world where leisure time is more common, thanks to robots and computers and high tech machines. The UBI (and its descendants) will come with conditions: "we'll give you money and resources only if you behave as we want you to".

UBI (BIG) tends to be associated with the political left wing, but it has had support from both sides of the political spectrum ever since the 16th century when the English King Henry VIII's secretary/adviser SIR THOMAS MORE proposed a kind of UBI scheme in his novel "Utopia". No doubt there are even earlier examples in history.

A criticism of UBI is that it might result in large numbers of unemployed people with little political power, though that problem might be partially 'solved' (on the surface at least) by DIRECT DEMOCRACY (as opposed to traditional REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY). But, of course, the Ruling Elite will have that base covered too. See my article on Direct Democracy down below.

The rise of the machines meant that it was inevitable that the long working hours and slave labour that once permeated society would have to come an end, so all the supposedly 'humanitarian' gestures by politicians and capitalists were – in my opinion – done knowing that child labour, slave labour, and long working hours would soon be history anyway. Taking children out of slave labour and putting them into the classroom seems like a step forward, but it also takes them away from their parents where they can be indoctrinated with the Ruling Elite's values – how to be a Global citizen. UBI and education will complement each other, e.g. educational vouchers.

Fans of UBI in 2017 (at least) included various UN agencies (e.g. UNESCO and UNESCAP) and the powerful 'Silicon Valley' crowd, e.g. FACEBOOK co-founder/CEO/chairman MARK ZUCKERBERG. I first became aware of UBI back in the 1990s when I was researching the impact of the New Age movement on the down-to-earth worlds of business, politics and economics. The influential British 'management guru' CHARLES HANDY advocated a combination of a NATIONAL INCOME SCHEME with zero income tax in his bestselling book "The Age Of Unreason". Handy worked at the oil company SHELL INTERNATIONAL and was Warden at Windsor Castle's ST. GEORGE'S HOUSE, a think-tank co-founded by the Queen's husband Prince Philip.

Handy teamed up with the American 'management guru' ROGER HARRISON, who tried to instil more love into the traditionally ruthless business world. Handy promoted intuition in his "The Second Curve" (2016). 'Second curve thinking', he wrote, "...requires imagination, intuition, and instinct rather than rational analysis.". Handy said that we each need to take more control of our lives, e.g. education, finances, health, etc.

Handy was chairman of a UBI promoter, the Royal backed RSA (ROYAL SOCIETY FOR THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF ARTS, MANUFACTURES AND COMMERCE). The RSA released a report in 2018 (Feb 16th) proposing a stepping stone to full UBI called UBOF (UNIVERSAL BASIC OPPORTUNITY FUND), which would "… enable citizens to live meaningful and contributory lives." Applicants would have to demonstrate how they would intend to use the money. The payment would be administered through a range of accredited bodies, e.g. schools, local authorities, etc. The report was co-authored by ANTHONY PAINTER who has worked in partnership with GOOGLE, the BBC and the METROPOLITAN POLICE.

The RSA Chief Executive in 2018 was UBI fan MATTHEW TAYLOR, previously a senior political strategist in Prime Minister Tony Blair's Labour Party government where he was head of the "Number 10 Policy Unit". Taylor helped write the Labour Party's manifesto for the 1997 general election (won by Blair). Taylor then became Director of the pro-Labour (at least it was back then), centre-left think tank, IPPR (INSTITUTE FOR PUBLIC POLICY RESEARCH). Taylor followed in his father's footsteps as a BBC Radio presenter/panellist. His father LAURIE TAYLOR (an ex-Socialist) has presented for many years the BBC Radio 4 series "Thinking Allowed".

For more, see my article on BIG/UBI (which is unfinished and which I am typing up over the next few weeks) in the Business section of my website: https://thegreatworkdecoded.com

Here is my article on direct democracy which is also in my website in the politics section:
Direct Democracy has become more prevalent in the 21st century. A BBC Radio 4 series - "Can Democracy Work?" (episode one,13th Jan 2015) - discussed Direct Democracy (as opposed to the traditional Representative Democracy). In the programme, ex-British PM Tony Blair said that he wasn't too keen on it. I wonder if this is the Ruling Elite provoking us into taking Direct Democracy (DD) more seriously. While I am generally in favour of DD, the Ruling Elite will obviously want to control it, just as they have controlled Democracy in general up till now.

In Britain there is a DD Party called the PA (People's Administration) Party, though you can't vote for them at the moment, due to voting restrictions.
I see Direct Democracy as a stepping stone rather than an end in itself. Whatever the solution is to the world's problems, it's not going to happen overnight, so compromises will need to be made, especially bearing in mind that there are 7 and a half billion people in the world, with diverse opinions. We need to talk with each other and negotiate.

DD has been promoted by the arch Euro-sceptic and ex-UKIP leader NIGEL FARAGE, who was President of the pro-DD and eurosceptic political group in the European Parliament: the EFDD (EUROPE OF FREEDOM AND DIRECT DEMOCRACY).

Another DD supporter has been the wealthy British politician and 'environmentalist' ZAC GOLDSMITH, who – like his brother BEN – married into the also wealthy ROTHSCHILD family. Zac's billionaire father Sir JAMES GOLDSMITH was a prominent Eurosceptic, as is Zac. Zac's uncle TEDDY was a prominent environmentalist who made Zac editor of "The Ecologist" magazine.

Zac and his mother LADY ANNABEL GOLDSMITH were both patrons of the FORTUNE FORUM Club (not to be confused with FORTUNE magazine), set up to persuade wealthy people to be more charitable and to solve financial inequality. Influential speakers at its' Summits have included ex-US President BILL CLINTON; billionaire philanthropist GEORGE SOROS; film star MICHAEL DOUGLAS; the 'Green' ex-US Vice-President AL GORE; "Live Aid" co-founder BOB GELDOF; Wikipedia co-founder JIMMY WALES.

Other patrons of Fortune Forum have included the New Age leading light DEEPAK CHOPRA and the FABIAN SOCIETY President/chairman Lord PETER ARCHER. Archer supported a world government and was President of ONE WORLD TRUST, set up by the ALL-PARTY GROUP FOR WORLD GOVERNANCE (a British parliamentary group). The One World Trust is an NGO with special consultative status with the UNITED NATIONS Economic and Social Council.
Fortune Forum's philanthropy partners have included the UN FOUNDATION and the UN Office For Partnerships.

Annabel Goldsmith continued her husband's eurosceptic work by being President of the DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT, of which its' chairman was her son (through a different marriage) ROBIN BIRLEY
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Part 2 - Continued from the opening post:

Charles Handy suggested that zero income tax should be funded by more EXPENDITURE TAXES, i.e. more INDIRECT taxation, another idea that I have seen often, especially the need for more 'green taxes'. Goods and services are taxed, rather than people's income, which is inevitable if machines do most of the work. The 'Green' political parties tend to support UBI, such as the British GREEN PARTY. Intriguingly, an expenditure tax called SALES TAX is mentioned in an episode of "The Simpsons" that parodied the movie on the creation of FACEBOOK: "The Social Network". In "The D'oh-cial Network" (first aired in 2012), someone says: "Order it online now, while you can still cheat the government on sales tax." Facebook co-founder Mark Zuckerberg wants UBI because of the unemployment caused by computers and AI (artificial intelligence).

Some 'Right Wing' fans of UBI included members of the very influential British think-tank the IEA (Institute Of Economic Affairs), which underpinned the 'free market' economics of the Thatcher-Reagan years in the 1980s. The IEA's creation was inspired by a major social/economic/political theorist in the 20th century: FRIEDRICH HAYEK, who supported UBI and who was an influential figure at the LSE (London School Of Economics) that was founded by Fabians and that appears to me to champion the '3rd way' (the merger of 'left' and 'right'; socialism and capitalism). The LSE hosted a debate on UBI in 2018 (February) called "Citizen's Basic Income Day", endorsed by the UN Environmental Programme and by the CITIZEN'S BASIC INCOME TRUST, of which the latter's trustees included the aforementioned ANTHONY PAINTER (RSA) and a key UBI advocate GUY STANDING.

A famous IEA member – the American economist MILTON FRIEDMAN – suggested a NEGATIVE (REVERSE) INCOME TAX in his "From Galbraith to Economic Freedom". One of Friedman's proteges was fellow IEA member SAMUEL BRITTAN, who championed UBI. Brittan's brother LEON BRITTAN served under Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher as Home Secretary and was pro-Europe: serving in the European Commission as its' Vice President. As Vice President, one of Brittan's staff was the future Deputy Prime Minister and Lib Dem Party Leader, NICK CLEGG, who also is pro-Europe but DIDN'T support UBI, preferring – he said in 2017 – to "explore how we can fund expanded universal basic services including lifelong learning and training..." (writing in "iNews", 29th November 2017). He spoke on UBI in relation to AI's potential threat to human employment. However, it could be argued that Clegg was endorsing a precursor to full UBI when he said that the tax system should be aimed at AI in order to "cushion the transition for people whose jobs are at the highest risk of disruption". Clegg had previously proposed zero income tax for low wage earners and income tax cuts for 'ordinary' wage earners.

The IEA's Director General in 2018 was MARK LITTLEWOOD, formerly the Lib Dem Party's chief press spokesman (head of Media).

Lifelong learning and training, which Clegg wanted, fits in with Charles Handy's desire for EDUCATIONAL VOUCHERS (aka Educational Credits) for individuals – a proposal also put forward – he wrote – by the European Community Office in Brussels. (see his "The Age Of Unreason"). Adult Education vouchers were distributed by the CORPORATION OF LONDON (London's municipal governing body) back in 1997, and given the thumbs up by a University of Surrey research group. See their jointly authored book "Towards The Learning City" (1997).

Milton Friedman proposed a voucher system. See his "From Galbraith To Economic Freedom".

Another educational voucher proponent was the 'right wing' billionaire and Eurosceptic SIR JAMES GOLDSMITH, whose sons married into their ancestral neighbours, the Rothschild family, who share their origins in Frankfurt, Germany. See my article on Zac Goldsmith and Direct Democracy in the political section of my website.

A Rothschild fan of UBI is EMMA ROTHSCHILD, a history/economics Professor and daughter of the amazing VICTOR ROTHSCHILD (3rd Baron Rothschild). Her economist husband AMARTYA SEN also supports UBI. Part 3 below.

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Emma Rothschild's Nobel laureate economist husband AMARTYA SEN also supports UBI, although in 2017 he said that India wasn't ready for a UBI due to a lack of prosperity, unlike Europe which is more suitable. Emma Rothschild, a Professor at Cambridge and Harvard universities, has links to the UN, e.g. she was chairman of the UN RESEARCH INSTITUTE FOR SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT. She worked alongside ex-UN secretary general KOFI ANNAN as board members of TED TURNER's UN FOUNDATION, which manages donations to the UN.

A Rothschild who has had mixed feelings about UBI is LYNN FORESTER DE ROTHSCHILD, wife of Sir EVELYN DE ROTHSCHILD (ex-chair of "The Economist" magazine). Lynn de Rothschild socialises with the Clintons - BILL and HILLARY, of which Hillary converted eventually to being a UBI fan, and said that she regrets not putting UBI in her presidential campaign against Donald Trump. Hillary wanted UBI to be funded by a carbon tax and a financial transaction tax. Bill Clinton was supportive and he has spoken at Lynn's COALITION FOR INCLUSIVE CAPITALISM, a think tank designed to improve capitalism. Other speakers at the Coalition's conferences included Prince Charles, IMF Managing Director CHRISTINE LAGARDE and the Bank of England Governor MARK CARNEY. Coalition supporters included the ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION and THE FORD FOUNDATION.

James Goldsmith's brother TEDDY was a prominent environmentalist. Green taxes anyone?

James Goldsmith wrote that educational vouchers "should be free for poor families, but not for the rich..." (See his "The Trap", 1994).

The next significant member of the UBI fan club is 'one worlder', New Ager and Club Of Rome member DAVID KORTEN, who wants to tame capitalism: a goal of the Ruling Elite who divided capitalism from socialism in the first place, now want to unify them. Korten is best known for his book "When Corporations Rule The World", In which he proposes a BIG/UBI and zero income tax for low income families. He wants more indirect taxation, e.g. green taxes. That green perspective is aligned with his publisher (for "When Corporations...") EARTHSCAN PUBLICATIONS who have teamed up in the past with the very influential British think tank, RIIA (aka CHATHAM HOUSE). Earthscan was founded by another prominent think tank, the IIED (INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOPMENT), which was set up with financial backing from the New Age, 'green' oilman ROBERT O. ANDERSON, who owned land in Brazil with DAVID ROCKEFELLER. Also involved in the IIED's creation was another very influential 'green' oilman: MAURICE STRONG, the Secretary General of the UN's CONFERENCE ON THE HUMAN ENVIRONMENT in 1972.

David Korten worked for the Ford Foundation; the US Air Force (where he hooked up with ARPA); and he has links to the Rockefeller Foundation, either working on their projects or receiving funding from them. An editorial adviser for his "When Corporations Rule The World" was the New Age leading light WILLIS HARMAN, President of the New Age, parapsychological research institute set up by NASA astronaut EDGAR MITCHELL: IONS (INSTITUTE OF NOETIC SCIENCES). Part 4 below.

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David Korten was a fan of the UN and attended numerous UN conferences, such as the 1992 UNCED (UN Conference on Environment and Development).

Korten wrote that "planetary consciousness" is the next step in human evolution. He admired the New Age Catholic mysticism of THOMAS BERRY, author of – how very appropriate to my website "The Great Work Decoded" - "The Great Work: Our Way Into The Future". Berry in turn championed the New Age Catholic mysticism of TEILHARD DE CHARDIN, as did the UN. See my article "Catholic Mysticism and the New Age Movement" in the Religion section of my website. Berry's Foundation (the Thomas Berry Foundation) gave an award in 2002 to a New Age Rockefeller: STEVEN ROCKEFELLER. See my article "New Age Rockefellers And the UN" in the Business and Economics section.

Berry and Willis Harman endorsed "When Corporations Rule The World", as did Teddy Goldsmith; Archbishop DESMOND TUTU (Club Of Budapest member and co-founder of THE ELDERS along with RICHARD BRANSON and others); the World Economic Forum President KLAUS SCHWAB.

As a member of The Club Of Rome, Korten wrote a report to them in the form of his 2016 book "Change The Story, Change The Future", which has a foreword by 2 Club Of Rome co-Presidents: ANDERS WIJKMAN and ERNST VON WEIZSACKER (nephew of the President of West Germany, Richard Von Weizsacker). The book says that we live in a conscious, self-organising universe. Part 5 below.

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Korten belonged to the 'progressive', left-leaning Washington think tank, the IPS (INSTITUTE FOR POLICY STUDIES) whose co-founder RICHARD BARNET (CFR member) endorsed Korten's "Change The Story...", as did the IPS Director in recent years JOHN CAVANAGH, who previously worked for the UN Conference On Trade and Development and at the WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION. Cavanagh and Teddy Goldsmith both were Board Directors at the IFG (INTERNATIONAL FORUM ON GLOBALISATION). Teddy Goldsmith and the IFG founder JERRY MANDER co-wrote a book.

Korten and Cavanagh helped form an alliance of organisations (e.g. IPS and Korten's "Yes!" Magazine) called the NEW ECONOMY WORKING GROUP.

As mentioned, some UN agencies are generally supportive of UBI. UNESCO appeared to support UBI in December 2016 when they published an enthusiastic report on UBI by Professor ERIK OLIN WRIGHT. A UN representative, PHILIP ALSTON, conducted a panel on UBI and human rights in June 2017, involving 2 influential UBI promoters: GUY STANDING and PHILIPPE VAN PARIJS, who co-founded the BIEN (BASIC INCOME EARTH NETWORK). Alston concluded that UBI is a possible solution to poverty. In March 2017, the UNESCAP (UN ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL COMMISSION FOR ASIA AND THE PACIFIC) recommended that UBI "...could be an important tool for eradicating poverty and achieving the SDGs" (sustainable development goals). Part 6 below.

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BIEN regards the UN's Article 25 of its' Universal Declaration Of Human Rights as embracing UBI.

The BIEN co-founder GUY STANDING worked for approx. 30 years at a UN agency called the ILO (INTERNATIONAL LABOUR ORGANISATION), e.g. in 1998-1999 he was part of the new Director-General's transition team.

BIEN's co-founder Philippe Van Parijs endorsed the pro-UBI book "Utopia For Realists" by RUTGER BREGMAN, which proposed a 15 hour working week and a borderless world. Bregman spoke on a BBC Radio 4 discussion in 2017 ("Enlightenment After Dark", episode 1 "Utopia", 28th Aug 2017). His book was also endorsed by the Harvard University Psychology Professor STEVEN PINKER; the musician BRIAN ENO; the BBC Radio 4 Presenter on economics TIM HARFORD.

Tim Harford wants UBI if computers/robots become dominant. He has been the regular presenter of the BBC Radio economics series "More Or Less" (2007 –2018 at least); "Financial Times" senior columnist and on its' editorial board; worked for Shell and the World Bank; member of the ROYAL ECONOMIC SOCIETY Council; gave TED talks. At the oil company SHELL, Harford worked on GLOBAL SCENARIOS ("People And Connections") under the future Lib Dem Party leader VINCE CABLE, who at Shell was its' Chief Economist.

BIEN co-founder GUY STANDING has worked with the British political party the LABOUR PARTY on UBI and is a fan of its' leader JEREMY CORBYN. The Labour Party Chancellor (Shadow Chancellor) In 2017 JOHN MCDONNELL set up a working group to explore UBI. Part 7 below.

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As mentioned, the LSE (London School of Economics) hosted a debate on UBI in 2018. The LSE Director in 2018 was Dame MINOUCHE SHAFIK (DBE) who said that UBI "can be part of a solution but is not a panacea". She got publicity from the BBC in 2018 as a guest on the BBC's long running radio series "Desert Island Discs" (BBC Radio 4, Feb 25th 2018). Shafik was previously the WORLD BANK Vice President; ex-IMF Deputy Managing Director under CHRISTINE LAGARDE; BANK OF ENGLAND deputy Governor; chairman of the GCGF (GLOBAL CORPORATE GOVERNANCE FORUM, co-founded by the WORLD BANK and OECD).

Shafik debated UBI in 2018 at the WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM (at Davos) with the likes of Guy Standing and UBI fan STEWART BUTTERFIELD (co-founder of FLICKR, the photo sharing website). In her "Desert Island Discs" interview she discussed the LSE's research project on rethinking the Welfare State: "Beveridge 2.0", launched in Nov 2017. Shafik wants a "social contract" and to "make lifelong learning real", e.g. training vouchers.

"Beveridge 2.0" is named after the famous LSE Director WILLIAM BEVERIDGE whose report laid the foundations of the UK Welfare State and NHS. Beveridge worked with the LSE founders Beatrice and Sidney Webb (Fabians) who made him the LSE Director. Beveridge is credited with enticing the Rockefeller Foundation to fund the LSE. Beveridge belonged to the Eugenics Society. Numerous Fabians supported eugenics, so too the Rockefellers, though Beveridge wasn't a Fabian.

Shafik's former boss at the IMF, Christine Lagarde, speaking on behalf of the IMF, shared Shafik's view that UBI was not a panacea, but the IMF should still consider it. Lagarde proposed in 2017 that India could adopt a UBI scheme by eliminating food and fuel subsidies, and by increasing fuel taxes.

Guy Standing hosted a UBI panel at the prestigious WEB SUMMIT (billed as the largest tech conference in the world) in Lisbon in Nov 2017. Other Speakers at the Summit included the 'Green' ex-Vice President of America AL GORE (pro UBI); music star BONO; physicist STEPHEN HAWKING (pro UBI); the TWITTER co-founder and CEO JACK DORSEY; TESLA co-founder and UBI fan ELON MUSK (played a role in the early development of PAYPAL).

Elon Musk spoke at the 2017 WORLD GOVERNMENT SUMMIT (brings together world leaders in politics and business). He co-founded the AI research company "OpenAI" with UBI supporter SAM ALTMAN, one of the Silicon Valley crowd. Altman was the CEO of Y COMBINATOR ( financial investor/adviser to 'seed companies'), whose co-founders included the creator of the first 'computer worm' on the internet: ROBERT TAPPAN MORRIS, son of a top computer scientist at the NSA and at BELL LABS.

OpenAI backers included the PAYPAL co-founder PETER THIEL and the LINKEDIN co-founder REID HOFFMAN, who both helped FACEBOOK into existence as major investors. Thiel (Facebook board member and Bilderberger) co-founded PALANTIR TECHNOLOGIES, whose early financial backers included the CIA's investment arm IN-Q-TEL. Hoffman (Bilderberger and CFR member) was on Paypal's original board of directors and became Paypal's COO. Hoffman – MICROSOFT board member; Honorary Commander of the Order of the British Empire; named by US President Obama as a Presidential Ambassador for Global Entrepreneurship. Part 8 below.

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What's the snag? Money issued as Debt owed to the private bankers.

http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Banks/...ry_System.html

The Mechanics of Money

Money is not a commodity. It is a symbol of value. Any two people can transfer whatever they like as a medium of exchange. We agree as a group to use one medium of exchange to simplify transactions. The purpose of inventing a medium of exchange is to sustain the flow of goods and services circulating in an economy. If we agreed to use gold or feathers as tokens, the medium of exchange would be finite and too scarce to meet everyone's needs ~ and finite physical commodities have historically been monopolized by individuals who constrict the flow of goods and services that are needed by everyone in society. Paper is plentiful. In theory, we agree to the fiction that paper money and computer credits have value in order to produce and exchange the commodities we need. But they have no intrinsic value.

The pieces of paper and computer entries that are fabricated by private corporations, what we call money, can and should be created and regulated by a legitimate government agency. It is irrational to transfer this vital social function to private corporations that thrive on usury and destabilize economies by expanding and contracting their fabricated credit. Usury is not a fact of life, an inherent condition one finds throughout the natural world. It is a parasitic human contrivance that eventually kills the host.

[snip]. The founders of our nation understood that a government does not need to borrow its money from a private corporation. It has the power to create its own money. We are that government and that power belongs to us.

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Geraldine Perry has suggested that if banks are to remain privately owned they must be required to operate as independent businesses with 100% reserves and use their own (legitimate) capital for loans, not fictitious accounting entries and not other people's money. A public Monetary Authority would issue the national money supply. Attorney Ellen Brown's brilliant book, "The Web of Debt," proposes sound mechanics for a new monetary system, using interest-free constitutional money and credit issued by the government. Richard C. Cook explores creative possibilities that truly liberate the mind and demonstrate the possibilities of a compassionate monetary system. These three visionaries all endorse the Monetary Reform Act conceived by Stephen Zarlenga. All that remains is public demand for this reform.

Existing debt to the central bank crime syndicate disappears in an instant when it is recognized that fictitious accounting entries do not constitute lawful "consideration". Nothing of value has been borrowed. What a bank "lends" is the borrower's own promise to invent money for the bank, an absurd fraud.

Completely abolishing the privatization of national money and credit would end world poverty and liberate human energy to create worldwide abundance in which every human community could produce and exchange the goods and services it needs without ever being enslaved by fictitious debt. What is most essential to liberating humankind from centuries of covert suppression is financial sovereignty. Political freedom without economic freedom is meaningless. The self-induced implosion of a corrupt financial system provides our generation with a precious (and brief) opportunity to secure the blessings of liberty envisioned by our ancestors and to finish the American...


The Problems of Debt


In the USA 100% of the money supply is created by the private banks. In Britain the figure is over 97%. In the rest of the world, the figure is estimated to be over 95%. All this money is created as a debt. It is created when people borrow money, as banks do not lend existing money; they just create new money out of thin air to lend.

Money created as a debt by the banks bears a charge of interest. This increases the amount of money that the economy owes by an amount greater than the amount in existence. This means that the economy is a saddled with a debt that can never be paid off, merely passed around like a game of Pass-the-Parcel in a Belfast pub. It is like a game of musical chairs, where someone has to lose out.

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A Solution

Money does not have to be based on debt, nor indeed does it have to be based on precious metals. Real wealth is the goods and services that people create for each other. Money is merely a means of exchange. It could be created by HM Treasury and spent on providing public services, saving us all a modicum of taxation, and then the economy would not have to be saddled with large debts.
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No doubt they'll tax UBI with a flat tax- like 20% and if you don't voluntarily file and pay the tax they'll put a hold on the UBI until you do.

The question is why does government borrow from the banks in the first place when they can borrow from its own people? Here in the U.S. Congress has the power to borrow money on the credit of the people. JFK tried to do exactly that (See Kennedy's Executive order 11110 http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=59049) and they murdered him doing it. I presuppose he knew that Congress was never going to do it - so he took what power he did have to do it himself.

Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

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The only reason I can think why government allows the banks to print its money is because the central bank doesn't put restrictions on how much government can borrow and spend. IOWS it's all about GREED. It's the politicians who benefit the most from it.
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Part 8

Reid Hoffman and Milton Friedman both endorsed the 2016 book on new technology, "The Second Machine Age", by 2 senior MIT researchers: ERIK BRYNJOLFSSON and ANDREW MCAFEE. The authors wrote that UBI is interesting but prefer Milton Friedman's proposal of NEGATIVE INCOME TAX for low income workers. They preferred low income tax in general and more indirect taxation, e.g. consumption taxes and VAT (VAT not used in the USA at the time of their book). Also endorsing their book was the ex-WORLD BANK Chief Economist and US Treasury Secretary LARRY SUMMERS, who opposed UBI because of the amount of taxation required.

Hoffman and IMF boss Christine Lagarde both endorsed the 2016 book "Age Of Discovery" by an opponent of UBI – IAN GOLDIN, a former World Bank Vice President and Oxford University Professor. Although opposed to UBI, he said that "we need to radically change the way we think about income and work". Goldin wanted higher wages for low income jobs and more respect for part-time work, volunteer work, retirement, home-based activities. His book "Age Of Discovery" is about the current modern renaissance (supposedly) that is underpinned by globalisation and the rise of the machines, and which needs to be managed carefully. He spoke about this at the WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM (Davos) in 2016.

Other endorsements for his book came from UBI fan Sir RICHARD BRANSON; 'New Age' political commentator ARIANNA HUFFINGTON; and the official Rothschild biographer and historian NIALL FERGUSON.

Goldin - served as an adviser to President NELSON MANDELA; an OECD program director; on the UN's chief executive board; a special representative at the UN; founding Director of Oxford University's MARTIN SCHOOL; honorary trustee of COMIC RELIEF (co-founded by comedy writer RICHARD CURTIS).

Goldin (LSE education) was chairman of the charity CORE( Economics), an economics think tank of which a founding trustee was the senior LSE economist RICHARD DAVIES who served as an economics adviser to the British Chancellor of the Exchequer GEORGE OSBORNE (Conservative Party). Part 9 below.

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so how much are we going to get a month for doing sweet fa while robots mess up the planet?
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The whole idea of UBI is whacked. The economy is in decline because it's not growing. We're at a stalemate. Its end is destruction:

From the booklet For the Love of Money by Dan Gentry:

John Law (1671-1729) is sometimes called the father of modern banking and modern monetary policies. Bible researcher Rousas Rushdoony, said of him:

Law developed the modern use of paper money, in particular, a paper currency unbacked by either gold or silver. We hear it commonly said today that the American dollar is sound, because it has behind it the wealth and productivity of America...This means a non-convertible currency; it also means a restless society. Such a view of money means that society must forever boom or face collaspse. Because of the inflation of money, the economy moves forward rapidly. But the paper money assumes a potential production; it produces, however, an actual consumption, so that it creates a consuming rather than a producing economy... Its end is destruction.

After showing how this inflationary process destroys the Biblical principle of REST (read Isaiah 57:20:21, as to why the wicked depend upon our present debt-usury system), Rushdoony commented further on Law's dangerous economic policy [rest omitted]
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It's all about consumerism in America. All our production jobs were shipped offshore through the NAFTA/GATT agreement. Nothing is made here anymore. Made in China. The only jobs you'll find here are sales and customer service. It's all about selling, consumerism, racking up student loan debt, getting a degree and then finding out the only job available after college is a sales rep job working for the big corporations. UBI is a distraction.

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Someone who does champion UBI, provided it's done properly, is the British political/environmental activist GEORGE MONBIOT, who received a UN ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAMME award (GLOBAL 500). Educated at Oxford University, Monbiot worked for the BBC as a radio producer of natural history and environmental programs. He co-founded the anti-capitalist, anti-war political party, RESPECT PARTY (also anti-Zionist, Eurosceptic), though Monbiot himself voted to remain in Europe.

Monbiot was made a visiting fellow at Oxford University by another environmentalist and Warden of Green College, Oxford – SIR CRISPIN TICKELL, a pro-Europe British diplomat. Tickell was a UN Ambassador and worked for the EUROPEAN COMMISSION as Chef de Cabinet (working under the President LORD JENKINS (ROY JENKINS)). Tickell and Al Gore and Richard Branson all served on the MARY ROBINSON FOUNDATION on its' International Advisory Council. Mary Robinson, the ex-President of Ireland, was the UN High Commissioner For Human Rights; IIED chairman; TRILATERAL COMMISSION member; Club Of Budapest member; THE ELDERS member; CLUB DE MADRID President; received from US President Obama the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Other Mary Robinson Foundation council members:-
GRO HARLEM BRUNDTLAND – WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION Director-General; The Elders member; UN FOUNDATION member; chaired the very influential UN backed BRUNDTLAND COMMISSION that eventually led to the UN's Agenda 21.
SIR GORDON CONWAY – Rockefeller Foundation President.
DR. JUDITH RODIN – Rockefeller Foundation President.
JEFFREY SACHS – special adviser to the UN Secretary-Generals KOFI ANNAN and ANTONIO GUTERRES; Director of THE EARTH INSTITUTE; an editor of the UN's WORLD HAPPINESS REPORT, along with the LSE research centre Director BARON LAYARD (Richard Layard).
TIMOTHY WIRTH – inaugural UN FOUNDATION President; worked with Al Gore on environmental issues.
JEFF SKOLL – inaugural "eBay" President; helped produce Al Gore's environmental film "An Inconvenient Truth".
CAMILLA TOULMIN (IIED Director);
RAY CHAMBERS – chairman of President George Bush's POINTS OF LIGHT FOUNDATION; the UN Secretary-General's Special Envoy for health in AGENDA 2030.
VARTAN GREGORIAN – CARNEGIE CORPORATION OF NEW YORK President; received the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President G.W Bush. Part 9 below.
Part 9 below.

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The whole idea of UBI is whacked. The economy is in decline because it's not growing. We're at a stalemate. Its end is destruction:

From the booklet For the Love of Money by Dan Gentry:

John Law (1671-1729) is sometimes called the father of modern banking and modern monetary policies. Bible researcher Rousas Rushdoony, said of him:

Law developed the modern use of paper money, in particular, a paper currency unbacked by either gold or silver. We hear it commonly said today that the American dollar is sound, because it has behind it the wealth and productivity of America...This means a non-convertible currency; it also means a restless society. Such a view of money means that society must forever boom or face collaspse. Because of the inflation of money, the economy moves forward rapidly. But the paper money assumes a potential production; it produces, however, an actual consumption, so that it creates a consuming rather than a producing economy... Its end is destruction.

After showing how this inflationary process destroys the Biblical principle of REST (read Isaiah 57:20:21, as to why the wicked depend upon our present debt-usury system), Rushdoony commented further on Law's dangerous economic policy [rest omitted]
What really worries me is that the junkies and the Alcoholics will be getting paid to piss up the wall while society degenerates further.
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What really worries me is that the junkies and the Alcoholics will be getting paid to piss up the wall while society degenerates further.
That's exactly right! All you have to do is look at all the degenerates on welfare where their only occupation is making babies.

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