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Old 06-04-2017, 12:58 PM   #61
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Icke clearly distinguishes between the use of plant intelligence and man-made street drugs. There is no comparison. David also says the key is the true intention of the user .... i.e. The state of consciousness of the user . You just seem to be selecting parts of the info you like and disregarding the rest. What's the point of that ?
Plant intelligence? Hah. You think plants have intellect? They don't have brain cells.

It doesn't matter about the intent. You cannot trust any info if you are getting high.
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Old 06-04-2017, 12:59 PM   #62
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Might be good if you could give a quote .

But its been a good thread for debate nevertheless .
"Dem thar gnosticators were high as a kite when they larned of the demiurge it be."

Happy now? Try reading his book.
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Old 06-04-2017, 07:16 PM   #63
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"Dem thar gnosticators were high as a kite when they larned of the demiurge it be."

Happy now? Try reading his book.
Be nice fudgy ;-)
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Old 07-04-2017, 03:27 PM   #64
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Plant intelligence? Hah. You think plants have intellect? They don't have brain cells.

It doesn't matter about the intent. You cannot trust any info if you are getting high.
We don't think plants have consciousness. We know they do. And it has even been proven. Explore the work of CLEVE BACKSTER


...... And then read the book, the secret life of plants. Things are not as they seem!
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Old 08-04-2017, 02:24 AM   #65
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Then you have the Ent's out of the Lord of the rings lol they live for hundreds of years .
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Old 08-04-2017, 10:47 AM   #66
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Plants can do anything. Hemlock kills you. Willow birch gives you aspirin. Tea tree kills infections, so does oregano and garlic. Cannabis gets you high. Chamomile fights inflammation and helps you sleep. I could go on forever.
Turmeric is wonderful stuff for fighting inflammation. Coconut oil sharpens the intellect. Flax oil dulls arthritic pain. Wonderful things plants. Nature's pharmacy.
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Old 08-04-2017, 11:13 AM   #67
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Not just the Gnostic or the Essenes, all cultures were all into taking entheogens.

The Shamanic mushroom cult was global which mainstream his story doesn't like to talk about thanks to the Vatican.

Our ancestors shaped their cultures around drugs.

Religion evolved from Shaman.

Or you could say devolved, as we have lost our connection to the source thanks to religion.

Very much like the Avatar film.



Spot the liberty cap mushrooms?
John Allergo gives a fairly good account of how all the illusions came about.

I have this book it's a good read.

https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushro.../dp/0982556276

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_..._and_the_Cross

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Old 08-04-2017, 01:21 PM   #68
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Be nice fudgy ;-)
Nice? This is serious stuff. Nice goes out the window.
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Old 08-04-2017, 01:27 PM   #69
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We don't think plants have consciousness. We know they do. And it has even been proven. Explore the work of CLEVE BACKSTER


...... And then read the book, the secret life of plants. Things are not as they seem!
"Scientists, however, were less convinced. No one could reproduce Backster’s results "

https://www.nytimes.com/news/the-liv...leve-backster/

"Backster's claims were refuted by Horowitz, Lewis, and Gasteiger (1975) and Kmetz (1977). Kmetz summarized the case against Backster in an article for the Skeptical Inquirer in 1978. Backster had not used proper controls in doing his study. When controls were used, no detection of plant reaction to thoughts or threats could be found. These researchers found that the cause of the polygraph contours could have been due to a number of factors, including static electricity, movement in the room, changes in humidity, etc."

http://skepdic.com/plants.html
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Old 08-04-2017, 04:20 PM   #70
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John Allergo gives a fairly good account of how all the illusions came about.

I have this book it's a good read.

https://www.amazon.com/Sacred-Mushro.../dp/0982556276

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_..._and_the_Cross
I have that book too App.
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Old 08-04-2017, 05:49 PM   #71
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Nice? This is serious stuff. Nice goes out the window.
Believe me if this is the serious stuff in your life you have nothing to worry about in the real world.
This was all covered years ago when they made Day of the triffids

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Old 08-04-2017, 06:36 PM   #72
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I have that book too App.
He lost his teaching post due to his research and was tarred with the same brush as per usual, but if you couple his work with James Fraser it's easy to see how religion and shamanism grew out of the same sympathepic magic and narcotics that followed humans copying nature itself.

I would not have liked being a village witch doctor if you got the rain dance wrong and all the tribes crops died off due to drought conditions.
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Many forum members talk into their hats about things that they do not know.
It has been tiresome.

Here is some real shaman drumming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIwv3eh4Mq4
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Many forum members talk into their hats about things that they do not know.
It has been tiresome.

Here is some real shaman drumming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIwv3eh4Mq4
If you read James Frazer's Golden Bough you can see how the ancient African and many others used drums to mimic nature and the ancient Britain's used chanting to mimic what are our circadian rhythms.

The Unthanks also do this in their singing.

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If you read James Frazer's Golden Bough you can see how the ancient African and many others used drums to mimic nature and the ancient Britain's used chanting to mimic what are our circadian rhythms.

The Unthanks also do this in their singing.
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The drum beats reorganize much. The drums can defeat NWO.
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Old 11-04-2017, 09:20 AM   #76
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They may have been wise people but most of what they believed was gained by taking mind bending drugs. Can we really trust any info that comes from drugs?
Maybe you should look at the information itself and not too much how it was retrieved. Knowledge and wisdom can come form many sources and in many different forms. Don't fall for division by rejecting knowledge because the messenger is not the same as you.
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Heroin is from a plant. What has that taught people? You cannot trust any hallucination just as you cannot trust a dream.
Heroine, like cocaine and other substances, has it's roots in a plant, in this case the poppy flower, but is syntheric and prepared in a way that it's not natural anymore. The flower is just the flower, it's about intent and what to do with it. Clearly the agenda of heroine is turning people into addicts, but that's not possible with the root material alone. Same with atomic energie, which is not responsible for the atomic bomb. Evil and ignorant people are.
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:25 PM   #78
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The plant is helping metabolize the pain chemicals. There can be weird images with Johanna so to speak. There are many areas of the brain that are not used in ordinary time and space. Many of these areas activate with injury or disease.

I think that humans are hardwired for art.

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