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Old 14-10-2008, 07:48 AM   #61
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I must say i'm not really a fan of co2 air guns, you will have too stock up on lots of canisters to keep the gun going, although the gun does look o.k. I know somebody who is selling a wiehrauch HW97 if anybody is intrested, an excellent springer.
A year ago I would have agreed with you; the best then available was that 2 cartridge singleshot bolt action one (I dont recall the make) that managed 10 ft/lbs on a good (hot) day.

With the 850 AM the situation has changed and if I had the pennies to be getting a new one (I have the fenix 400 springer) the 850 would be top of my list; consistant 11+ ft/lbs multishot without needing a compressor or a diver's bottle. For an ongoing hunting situation it is much easier to to carry CO2 than a scuba bottle

Besides, if you want genuinely "sustainable" and not needing an infrastructure to support it....go for a decent bow My mongolian recurve with swallowtail headed arrows is silent and with 2 arrows on the string utterly lethal.
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Old 14-10-2008, 05:33 PM   #62
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A year ago I would have agreed with you; the best then available was that 2 cartridge singleshot bolt action one (I dont recall the make) that managed 10 ft/lbs on a good (hot) day.

With the 850 AM the situation has changed and if I had the pennies to be getting a new one (I have the fenix 400 springer) the 850 would be top of my list; consistant 11+ ft/lbs multishot without needing a compressor or a diver's bottle. For an ongoing hunting situation it is much easier to to carry CO2 than a scuba bottle

Besides, if you want genuinely "sustainable" and not needing an infrastructure to support it....go for a decent bow My mongolian recurve with swallowtail headed arrows is silent and with 2 arrows on the string utterly lethal.
Having a PCP is the best solution for me, my theoben buddy bottle gives around 150 shots at 12ftlb and around 50 shots at 35ftlb, and the daystate is easily good for 80-90 shots on 12 ftlbs. My dive bottle is a 7 litre and fills each gun 3 or 4 times before i have to recharge it, also luckily a good friend owns a compressor so refilling the dive bottle is no problem, no one would ever need to carry a 7 litre dive bottle while hunting, thats the whole point of having around 150 shot capacity on the buddy bottle, If you were to fire my Theoben or the Daystate you wouldn't want to own another air rifle trust me, the Air arms s410 is a nice bit of kit for the money aswell.
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Old 14-10-2008, 06:59 PM   #63
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Having a PCP is the best solution for me, my theoben buddy bottle gives around 150 shots at 12ftlb and around 50 shots at 35ftlb, and the daystate is easily good for 80-90 shots on 12 ftlbs. My dive bottle is a 7 litre and fills each gun 3 or 4 times before i have to recharge it, also luckily a good friend owns a compressor so refilling the dive bottle is no problem, no one would ever need to carry a 7 litre dive bottle while hunting, thats the whole point of having around 150 shot capacity on the buddy bottle, If you were to fire my Theoben or the Daystate you wouldn't want to own another air rifle trust me, the Air arms s410 is a nice bit of kit for the money aswell.
What size buddy bottle you got for the Theoben? I think mine comes with a 280.
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Old 14-10-2008, 08:05 PM   #64
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My Theoben bottle is a 400cc, the 280 should be good for at least 100 shots at 12 ftlb though, which is plenty, have you bought it yet?
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Old 14-10-2008, 08:22 PM   #65
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My Theoben bottle is a 400cc, the 280 should be good for at least 100 shots at 12 ftlb though, which is plenty, have you bought it yet?
Should be here tomo I think, I paid by cheque so it had to clear. Was thinking about getting a bigger bottle. On my deal I have a 2 month old rifle, 280 buddy bottle, the 12 shot mag, a filler and a single shot tray for £550.

I need a scope and bag, plus possibly a bypod. Was gunna see if I could get free fitting and aligning with a scope purchase.

Maybe also the stryup pump, most say it's more hassle than it's worth, but what if your caught short of a compressed air?
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Old 14-10-2008, 08:30 PM   #66
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I also have a hill pump for back up but prefer to use the bottle as its much easier, but all the same i like the pump and use it sometimes just for the exercise
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I like air rifles. Over the years I've owned most types and makes Co2, Precharged and spring. They are excellent tools.

But a good .22 rimfire is far superior.

Their less complicated so easier to maintain.

Cheeper, secondhand bolt actions sit on the racks in gunshops from as little as £25.

Just as accurate as an air rifle but far more range.

Hit harder, more humane kill.

Quieter using subsonic ammo and a sound moderator (silencer) my bolt action is far quieter than any air rifle I have ever owned.

Yes you have to get a license but you have to get a license to drive, ones no harder than the other.

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Old 15-01-2009, 09:09 AM   #68
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I've bitten the pellet and I'm off today to hopefully pick up a BSA Tactical from my local shooting shop.
I've chosen this one because I've shot BSA Lightnings over the years but I want something a wee bit lighter and something that will take a few knocks. I'm not really into shooting but the farmer who's land I work is at his wits end because of an area that cant be worked with ferrets so this rifle will allow me to get on with the job even in the cold and pissy weather.
Can anyone recommend some scopes to go with it;preferably no more than 70-100 quid?
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Old 17-01-2009, 10:57 AM   #69
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Can anyone recommend some scopes to go with it;preferably no more than 70-100 quid?
4 x 32 optimate around £80.00 very good wide angle field of view. Exceptionally bright optics.

I prefer fixed mag scopes for hunting

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I like air rifles. Over the years I've owned most types and makes Co2, Precharged and spring. They are excellent tools.

But a good .22 rimfire is far superior.

Their less complicated so easier to maintain.

Cheeper, secondhand bolt actions sit on the racks in gunshops from as little as £25.

Just as accurate as an air rifle but far more range.

Hit harder, more humane kill.

Quieter using subsonic ammo and a sound moderator (silencer) my bolt action is far quieter than any air rifle I have ever owned.

Yes you have to get a license but you have to get a license to drive, ones no harder than the other.

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There are also other things you have to consider. A metal cabinet bolted to a strong wall in your house, which requires a police inspection.

Also, what about the are of the shoot. An air rifle allows you to shoot inside barns, etc. so they can be used in areas where rifles are too risky.

Surely the ammo costs more to

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Old 17-01-2009, 01:31 PM   #71
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I've bitten the pellet and I'm off today to hopefully pick up a BSA Tactical from my local shooting shop.
I've chosen this one because I've shot BSA Lightnings over the years but I want something a wee bit lighter and something that will take a few knocks. I'm not really into shooting but the farmer who's land I work is at his wits end because of an area that cant be worked with ferrets so this rifle will allow me to get on with the job even in the cold and pissy weather.
Can anyone recommend some scopes to go with it;preferably no more than 70-100 quid?
You can get cheap scope on ebay. I got a 3-9X50 with illuminated reticle for less than £40. Fair enough it came from Hong Kong but it has had no problems.

I prefer the variable power as you can increase it for zeroing but then turn it down to mid range for actualy shooting.
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Old 17-01-2009, 02:20 PM   #72
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I'm thinking about getting an air rifle as a survival tool. The thing is, what type of rifle is better if parts, gas, co2 etc, no longer become available? Would it come down to a PCP and springer? If so what are the pros and cons of both?

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I'm thinking about getting an air rifle as a survival tool. The thing is, what type of rifle is better if parts, gas, co2 etc, no longer become available? Would it come down to a PCP and springer? If so what are the pros and cons of both?

HE gas ram. It needs less care than a springer and does not have a spring that weakens with use. Also it does not need a charging system like a PCP. I have a Theoben Evolution, nice rifle.

The answer to your question would the be neither as the gas ram is sort of in the middle.

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HE gas ram. It needs less care than a springer and does not have a spring that weakens with use. Also it does not need a charging system like a PCP. I have a Theoben Evolution, nice rifle.

The answer to your question would the be neither as the gas ram is sort of in the middle.
Where would you get the gas from should society break down? This what I'm thinking about, a rifle that can be used without the need to rely on outside agencies. Of course this would mean stocking up with lots of pellets and a few spares, but that's all. Or am I wrong in that? I'm not questioning your greater knowledge Marpan, I'm trying to get it straight it my head, what sort of rifle can I buy that will see me through lean times.

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Surely the ammo costs more to
Last time I bought 1000 air arms field the cost £9.50 a tin of 500 = £ 19.00 a 1000
I can buy magtech .22LR ammo for £15.00 a 1000, so its actually a bit cheaper.

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I prefer the variable power as you can increase it for zeroing but then turn it down to mid range for actualy shooting.
Varimag scopes tend to suffer from parrallax error and chromatic abberation.
I used a 6x42 fixed mag for deer stalking and have taken fallow out to 200 yrds But you pays your money and takes your choice. Some cheap scopes are like having a cataract

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Where would you get the gas from should society break down? .
A gas ram air rifle functions exactlly like a spring rifle but instead of a spring it has a sealed gas ram,similar to a suspension strut on a car. In theory they are sealed for life and need no maintenance

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Where would you get the gas from should society break down? This what I'm thinking about, a rifle that can be used without the need to rely on outside agencies. Of course this would mean stocking up with lots of pellets and a few spares, but that's all. Or am I wrong in that? I'm not questioning your greater knowledge Marpan, I'm trying to get it straight it my head, what sort of rifle can I buy that will see me through lean times.

Gas ram is a self contained unit and does not need charging up.
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A gas ram air rifle functions exactlly like a spring rifle but instead of a spring it has a sealed gas ram,similar to a suspension strut on a car. In theory they are sealed for life and need no maintenance

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I'm a complete novice, sorry for the dumb questions. How is a gas ram primed for use? Does it require a gas cylinder or something?
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Gas ram is a self contained unit and does not need charging up.
OK, thanks. So that sounds like a good choice if it doesn't leak that is.
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what I'm thinking about, a rifle that can be used without the need to rely on outside agencies. .
What you have just described is a .22rimfire.

No gas, no Co2, no springs. very simple and uncomlicated.

Go visit your local gun club.

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I might have a go at making my own pellets at some point. I assume that the modern pellets arent led but made from the same stuff that modern fishing weights are made from. Either way,it should have a fairly low melting point and should be possible in theory to make them in a clay crucible.
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